"Tick" feat. Chance The Rapper

uh well so I'll answer your question

chance since we are rolling um we have a

gospel song today okay and I did that

specifically for you oh thank you

what's the song a med regular gospel

song why is it made regular

nevermind Jones not Kirk Franklin yeah

Kirk is regular but we have a very

popular one Oh

coding coding getting his bag like his

creative bag with music always like yo

yo Michael Jackson fan and then they

play Billie Jean that's what we getting

in I need to see him so we need to do

something different here this is Yolanda

Adams are you familiar with with her

yeah okay yeah he can move his chair Mic

Check one two one two might check one

two I get my gospel bag hold on hold on

Mike check one two one two longest part

yo yo yo yo church on a Saturday yes

special guest in the building I've been

working on my uh my intro about to cry

you better cry no I'm not no my emotions

are the song in the beginning of the

podcast sets the mood for the rest of

the podcast they don't give a [ __ ] about

that but whatever

so is this setting the mood everybody

there's a vibe yeah fun you got a aunt

they play this potato salad is

definitely cold when that's on yes

I think the LOX sampled this to

microphone check one two one two

welcome to what happened we found that

our good

welcome to the Joe Budden podcast

episode 184 I'm your host Joe Budden

would a few of my nearest dearest

friends and some people I don't know but

it's great a mixture there's a mixture

of people here I have mall here Parks is

here Ericsson is here savon is here

Rory's here and is here those are the

normal people keep is here Hickey

Whitney's here and chances here and

chance has a bunch of people with him

one gentleman looks like it could be a

linebacker he's seated directly in front

of me I'm wondering if that was

strategic you know anyone that has the

hoodie and Scully combo I thought I was

the only [ __ ] to do to Scully and

hoodie when it's 90 out to let people

know I'm psycho chance got a [ __ ] with

him so we have a nice good podcast here

chance how are you sir I'm very good

thanks for having me on the show he

would be the guy to be very good well

you can't just be good I'm extremely

good okay and he still got the three yet

oh yeah I was wondering about that I

didn't know if you would come in here

without the three I thought you might

have switched up no this is gonna be on

the Internet I'm sure how is everyone

doing good wait so what happens when

four comes do we switch to a four hat no

we just stay with the three yeah okay we

live an interesting conversation

yesterday chance and Maul was teaching

me about hat science there is logic to

this hat thing and I didn't know yeah do

you care to share it well I was telling

Joe because he's a creature of habit so

he wears a hat just the way ahead oh

wait I got em how started I'm

transitioning into fedoras now yeah

Joe's very progressive in his transition

well let me explain my hat struggled

snapbacks never worked for me

fitted scott dated quick you guys came

in with swag and just my fitted was over

I needed something yeah why were they a

dad had guy like I like the food or no

I'm not a dad I don't have a dad hat

head fedora fedoras I'm rockin with so

more explain go ahead so I was telling

to me he just likes to be comfortable

the hat is like a comfort thing for him

so I was telling them when you're bald

that's when guys usually wear hats

because they hairlines receding the ball

yeah but once you can grow a full beard

you can go bald and it's like that it's

nothing wrong yeah things chance that's

what I was trying to tell Joe he doesn't

need a hat but my beer is not my head it

can't be I'm just throwing that out

there I can't me cheers what you doing

here man no yeah so tonight I have a

show with teairra wag and Shaq West

she's good most both of them agree

they're both awesome yeah and uh [ __ ] oh

it's at Coney Island this will come out

yeah I mean what are you doing tonight

I met what are you doing here right this

second we happen this is what yeah

because we don't do interviews yeah so I

I head up I head up Joe and I was like

yo um you know a little bit press that I

never did the show when when you had the

show and if there's a way that I could

get on the podcast let's do it and then

you said let's do it works pretty

elaborate question you see why we have

guests all the time relative applause

man for that well thought of it

okay well we appreciate it not thank you

for having me out oh so where do we

begin here let me turn this applause off

you're wearing Easy's I am rocking some

some old bright yellow Yeezys as you can

see is there a reason you're wearing the

old ones and not the new ones yeah I

don't have the new ones so okay well

good reason if I had the new ones I'd

probably be rockin the new joints why'd

you take why haven't you put another

hell no yet uh that's a good question

that's like more of a long-winded

question we got two huh I guess it's

kind of hard to figure out exactly what

would be you know what I should consider

my next project right should it be like

an album or home weeks day for like is

there a difference in this in a

streaming era yeah what is the

difference now cuz everything goes on a

platform that you can monetize mixtapes

used to be free that's why it was a

clear [ __ ] there's no web sites you

could put your [ __ ] up on that but you

wouldn't believe you to do that well we

can't say that I mean say that I mean

you also can make a lot of money on

Apple you could put it Spotify in a

bunch of time places you'd like you

don't have to just put it on app or just

put it on soundcloud well I mean you

started with let me always do my album

for free mm-hmm

coloring book I guess was free but you

have to pay it's on 99 so do you want to

go against it

no it's on other places where you don't

have to pay so would you do that again

just a SoundCloud

release that's like a big question I

think for myself is like that I'm still

figuring out it's like I feel like I

should be able to make money off and I

should at this point I get I get the

integrity bar but at this point someone

most people have some type of streaming

it's also kind of free it's a big thing

about like access like everybody doesn't

even have internet in their houses you

know what I mean so it's like oh we know

selling records little news yeah

the chances are they don't know

Chancellor nothing so I haven't I

haven't sold any records so for me it's

not about selling records is about being

heard like that's that's what I've

always wanted

I feel like that's what like my

generation but you yeah I mean coloring

book was sold you never so Rick if you

have soul records don't you come in here

it's equivalent we're not faulting no I

mean but what I'm saying is like I I

grew up wanting a lot of people to hear

my music so when I was like you know 10

day and ass wrapped those weren't my

first mixtapes those are just the first

ones that people are but I was making

music when I was in high school so like

when it came down to it even though I

spent money on a blank CD to burn it and

I spent money on the studio to record it

I thought it was more you know you know

it would be better for me to give it out

for free cuz then more people could hear

my [ __ ] you know what I mean versus like

you know you trying to ask a [ __ ] to

buy a CD from you that don't know you

and you telling him that you need $10

also like let me put a headphone in your

ear to see if you [ __ ] with this music

but also let me ask you for ten dollars

that's what they do on Times Square but

still either way with back to the does

everyone have internet SoundCloud still

would require that ya know that's what

I'm saying is like it's about levels of

access so like there's certain things

that I could do so you just want to put

it everywhere if you're still selling

records and you love to Megha answers

did you not just like so it's like like

I feel like the word trash like that's

like a worried that like is like you

think that it's a bad word but really I

feel like a lot of artists especially

people from my generation struggle to be

at a point where they could be

considered trash because that means you

heard them you know what I mean

I I would that's the reason why like I

could post something as heartfelt like

or as serious as like what I posted

about what I what I said on Twitter

after Mac passed away and there be kids

that'll [ __ ] put their you know their

song as a reply underneath my tweet and

they know that hella people are gonna be

like this is disgusting why would you do

this at this kind of time blah blah blah

blah blah but they just they just want

to be hurt so they'll do whatever it

takes to get hurt like that's my

generation and so my thoughts and

approach to everything is how can I make

this as widespread as possible okay so

it's been a few years but now you should

have gathered some info on how to do

that but I did release some projects by

the way I've released two collab albums

with Jeremiah just didn't do they just

didn't circulate like that was a

Christmas I was gonna say was a

Christmas [ __ ] yeah have you listened to

him yeah they're fire alright let's not

be registered they're crazy good yeah so

that's an interesting collaboration what

made y'all to UM that's one of my best

friends okay I've been I've been yeah I

mean he's from Chicago he went to Morgan

Park Jeremiah yeah really yeah would you

to a woman yeah I've we've tried to set

it up before it just didn't work out

right now no we loved generous like

family like this like I Nick it out

really no [ __ ] gentle is my guy okay

so what is this you and you a [ __ ] is it

thrown are you throwing a my throne now

the throne - yeah no that's not me like

like the the project there's been

something I've been wanting to do for a

long time you know what I mean this

being good ass job yeah it's I don't

think it's like Kanye's thing you know

what I mean he's about to drop me on Dee

I don't think it's like uh so it's kind

of been you doing it and then you'll put

some verses if there's no doing it

hasn't started yet it's slow way part me

yeah I mean I'm still why you [ __ ]

keep announcing albums that are ideas uh

I think why y'all give like fans blue

balls that we're speaking I think so I'm

a chance I'm a huge Kanye West fan like

I'm I'm I am Who I am and I am Who I am

to you guys into the culture and to

everybody else but I'm definitely still

me way more of the time than I am that

and so like in my mind I'm like I

basically sense life of Pablo since I

first met Calle been begging him to come

back to Chicago and work on a project

with me in my mind the whole time this

is gonna be good ass job and this is

gonna be his return to a sound that

basically birth my my sound and my

chance to work with who I believe to be

the greatest living artist musically and

and yet finally he finally came back and

but he's he's still doing his [ __ ] he's

doing the yandi [ __ ] right now so it's I

wouldn't say the good ass job is

something that you should be you

anticipating on the clock are you gonna

seven song it or are you gonna do I have

no idea okay what ideas do you have ah

like that are already working or like

you want me to like give you idea that

doesn't know newer ones that maybe are

not working ones that aren't working

yeah but maybe not in action yet in

effect oh yeah right right right aren't

work not feeling hmm okay you're

confusing to me I'll tell you why

because you know you put you put that

coloring book project out right hmm and

got all this success quickly right I was

hype I was I I thought you were doing a

great job of taking the

good guy award away from Drake do you

feel it why is that funny

this is a great way to put it that's

funny who do you think has the good guy

award right this second is it you were

him he gave out of million yeah you know

this [ __ ] y'all be doing

he gave a million dollars on the video

yeah yeah y'all are always like great

y'all are always like amazing characters

and morally sound and we never seen you

guys but but you just said that flosser

them yeah I am but I'm me more the time

all right I want to hear about that yeah

no I mean well alright so I'm about to

get married like I got a ground-rule

regisnet round of applause huh all right

and I'm bout to like start uh-oh is this

like you getting me to talk about the

good things I'm doing like yeah no I

mean we're gonna get to all that cuz I

have a bunch of questions about that

stuff too

but I don't want to politic this out so

early yeah uh ideas towards music that I

have no chance fans don't have any idea

when new chance music is coming puron

cuz I'm not on a cycle so as there's no

like there's no ever like damn like your

album supposed to drop this year it's

like I just ride I make stuff and it

drops or it doesn't drop my oh no don't

you you don't have hella songs that you

never put out like everybody has hella

songs and I got a bunch of songs I

hadn't put out and it probably were

really bad so that I might need security

was just a Lucy to put out it wasn't

leading to something or to see where

that might go Lucy I thought that [ __ ]

was wrong

no it's crap no Lucy isn't a bad thing

no saying does it is it leading to

something or is nothing I just rated now

chance fans I mean I feel like there's

enough like the culture exists like if

my [ __ ] doesn't succinctly work with the

culture or the machine-like then it's

just something to be respected outside

of it I think it works with it but it's

it's not set to the same like I don't

know Indus

three standard I guess like oh we

shouldn't be anticipating no chance

music no Thompson yeah not to the

detriment I'm like my own happiness like

I definitely when I feel inspired and I

make something that's just super cold

that's got to come out most of my [ __ ]

here's something that people probably

don't know most of my said that drops

hasn't been waiting for suit for a long

time you know what I mean okay so if I

make something and it's cold and I love

it if I haven't put it out in two months

or even oh one month after I've made it

this is also news to me I'm like

speaking you know how you speak to

yourself and sure I'm probably not gonna

put it out you know what I mean like

it's going to sit cuz in a month's time

it's not gonna feel the same to me so

like gonna yeah do you do you dumb down

at all I think I have before yeah I

think we all do as artists like it no we

don't oh okay I'm sorry I don't want to

put that you Joe Joe is heavily dumped

down in a family dumb down you lame this

song when I'm talking about chance

dumbing down I'm talking about every

time I hear you on a Khaled record boy

do I get angry another number one yo

shouldn't be hard to understand I

respect the thing is also like Cal is

smart and he knows that I think he knows

how I work and he knows how other people

work very well and I'm actually friends

with with Justin I'm actually friends

with quavo so that [ __ ] works and he

could convince all of us I think to get

on the record by saying the other two

are on the record without I've never

seen clips of you and quavo playing

basketball together how many oh yeah

there's a literally a clip of us

like houses jump shot chance got out of

jail we didn't see it was you know why I

wouldn't lie on this tape because then

somebody's probably gonna edit this [ __ ]

right now with me like he was a guy you

just passing lanes form which guy are

you on the basketball teammates rely on

you like that's the prayer the prayer

before the game okay no you need that

guy though and now he's the defense if

you said Pat badly so he's a defensive

guy okay okay the moderate the music

Modernization Act well what are your

thoughts on on this somebody was was

just explaining to me and I think if I

I'm gonna halfway articulated that's the

same thing I've been doing example I've

been just throwing it to park something

dealing with like like making a like not

I don't want to say industry standard

but a standard set for how much they

like based on an estimate how much an

artist should be collecting and

publishing royalties everybody's your

own different from radio stations and

other places based on like it's that's

kind of yeah it's that's part of it

that's part it's complicated like date

instead of being a bunch of different

people trying to get licenses for music

they put it all to one central person

that's gonna negotiate those things not

person but you know we won't know until

like end of 2019 if this is a good thing

or bad yeah got you yeah the Wayne album

that just came out I saw you were rather

excited about it yeah cuz you're huge

Wayne family you're not a fan of first

of all who am I not a fan of yeah yeah

keep it all in row I host [ __ ] you turn

it off soon as they come on ah and we

gonna get back to that Kanye is the

greatest musical person living we just

know

I can't really think of anybody that

that that I want to state right now is

God this person has been good he's good

yeah y'all try to bring the negative

energy everything is knocking who is

trashed yeah there's probably there's a

bunch of people's music I don't like but

if I said one person that I'm like

focusing on them and trying to make this

okay bogus where did you land with the

way no have you given a full listening

it yeah like I think it was supposed to

be like digested as a double disc and so

like it's definitely it's definitely

like oh my god so many bars on this

joint hmm but it was like definitely a

long ass listen I think my favorite

tracks are dedicated the open letter

[ __ ] is super hot what's the one with

the the best track on the album is the

one with the Shante what do you know

what that oh yeah but that's fresh to

the beats ooh yeah yeah that's the

that's the one lady pressures on

everyone I did it for you yeah that was

if I like the Carter - yeah - it was

dedicated cuz you're obviously

influenced by Wayne fair and been very

vocal about that do you think he could

have really talked some more [ __ ] on

that record about what he's done as far

as 2018 and what the sound is maybe I

think like the whole what what I saw

from it a lot was two things one was

that it was like two albums put together

for sure like it was definitely to me

this is also like my opinion and Wayne

and Mac both know how I feel about them

I love them fittin it felt like it was

like an older album yeah with like and

some we were a new record yeah but it

felt to me it felt like definitely and I

haven't said this yet it felt like a

like an awesome to me classic project

it's the bookend to the Carter C so it's

like it's important it's just like

everybody has their own commentary

The Matrix Revolutions or something you

know it's like however you feel about it

you still know that and you definitely

got out of your seat to go get it no no

no major three matrix three they could

add that one I [ __ ] with my actually

just watch that this morning that's also

I use that right now where you want the

whole trilogy there's not just watch i

watch the third one today cuz there's

like these two theories that's how you

know you know he brought a good man I

woke up early alright woke up early in

Chicago

I got a kid you got a kid you have to

have two kids my baby wakes up I sure AM

what's up train licks and kenzley

occasionally my baby wakes up at like

6:00 a.m. most most of the time like 5

a.m.

mmm and then it's like tossed back and

forth between me and my wife on or

wherever my fiancee on you know who's

gonna get her juice and who's gonna can

you you know can you help me with that

yeah he's like it's like it's just that

you just you do it when you can muster

yourself up to do it you'll do it and

when you can't then you have a good

reason it's just like like the matrix

justify it yourself I watched the matrix

cuz there's these two different theories

to the matrix one is matrix within a

matrix and the other one is that neo is

not the one and so I was reading these

things about it and then watching the

movie wouldn't would you fall on it I've

heard that whole Neil is not the one

thing I did I had I had heard of him but

I never read about him until today I

think both of them are I think the

matrix within a matrix one is harder to

to like someone solidly justify but like

the the Neos neo is not the one that

shit's definite where was all your Kanye

loyalty when Drake was Barnette [ __ ]

[ __ ] head off

you're gonna feel someone who go chance

is my man my loan that what you gonna do

I saw what it feels like to still be a

good lyricist and rapid Drake and nobody

care especially not Drake cuz you did it

before he did it a couple times seven

what's your right now but you lied you

are right what else jokes that was real

I I would I would never district also

cuz alright so like you were saying

about the quavo thing like you don't see

me on camera but I'm also not like the

type of [ __ ] really that like if I'm

hanging out with somebody I'm like

alright let's flick up like dead so I so

Drake has been super helpful with me in

my career too

and when I first won the Grammys the

first person that texts me was Drake you

know what I mean so like I what did you

say ode what a detective with it's

sentimental I never want to read you in

Drake's thick you'll congrats to you

know congrats to you I feel like

whatever they got going on is probably

not like something that could be

remedied publicly you know what I mean I

think it's like well it has been

remedied hasn't walking down the street

Chicago doing response pays open in the

pumpkin drank barred in the death he

took a walk on the train station the

aspect of like [ __ ] looking do it it's

like like that's that's for y'all that's

for entertainment Drake bar and Kanye

down is for y'all entertainment and it

feeds his ego too but it's like that's

for y'all entertainment like what they

actually have as men like the feelings

that they might have

of being wronged on either side is not

like that's a laughing matter of like

it's very per person I definitely don't

have [ __ ] to do it and I definitely

wouldn't rap about Drake to try it like

I [ __ ] with both of them I would love

for them to be cool but you know extra

extra real life like don't be like he's

a regular person yeah - bring it back to

poverty no I'm just Callie just ate

cereal for the first time like two weeks

ago

milk on cereal well so she probably

never had to own a TV who did Kylie

Kylie wall knows everything about the

Kardashians

he's in that family Yama's each other in

the kitchen making tuna no okay what I I

was getting somewhere when chance said

he lose a regular life and now I don't

[ __ ] remember where I was going a

tuna you said what is regularly who said

what is your tuna sandwich like we asked

the hard-hitting questions here chance

no I mean what I mean is like I don't

live in New York or LA I don't like have

a busy schedule that like includes

appearances or anything like that so a

lot of my day is like so most of the

time their local space your home no I'm

so I live very close to where I work so

I'm either at my workspace or I'm at the

crib but a lot of times I gotta like you

know Chicago is a big city I'll be

having to do

at different places and drive around the

city but most of it is in I don't have

to take a lot of planes basically what

I'm saying

hmm do you feel as though right do you

feel as though a lot of the good work

that you're like the good work that

you're doing in Chicago

yeah and it's too much of it for me to

keep up with does it coincide there are

there plans for you to are you uncle

Lewis with the government out there

that's that's what I'm trying to say

then do you feel like all the good work

that you do because there's reports

about crooked government [ __ ] out there

right there is yeah well yeah I'm not

out the mayor what I want to say report

yes way lower level than that - it's

like oh the man act like [ __ ] that run

the block club like it's not just like

yeah but for somebody who's constantly

doing the work out there do you ever

feel like the crooked government kind of

sets back all that you do you feel like

it's in vain at all if you're not

working with them somehow

like no well here's the thing like you

could say that but that's like you gotta

deal with the government some man really

works in politics can't open the school

so yeah why I was joking when I said I

live in a school I didn't open high

school but yeah so my my dad worked in

in politics for a long time he was a

campaign manager for a long time he was

one of Brock's first campaign managers

he he worked in the mayor's office twice

for Harold Washington and then for this

vinegar that I was dissing like the most

recent mayor um he worked for like the

treasurer for a bunch of different

people but that was that was answer to

one question is yes my dad worked for

the mayor and for the ex-president not

ex-president that's [ __ ] up he's still

president but uh and then yeah like you

could look at it on some like defeatist

[ __ ] like oh yeah like if I do this [ __ ]

they just gonna [ __ ] it up anyway but

like if you don't do it as [ __ ] up

anyway so like what's why not you know

what I mean like it's I think there's an

easy way to look at it as like a blanket

thing like chance does good things like

in totality like let's get that out of

here but it's like if you look at

specifically what I'm working on and

each time like look at it critically

it's usually something that has

something to do with equity like making

sure that everybody gets what they

deserve not necessarily equality because

if there's people that are setback equal

shares don't make them mm-hmm you know

what I mean

mm-hmm or it has something to do with

you know women's rights or black women's

rights or black rights period education

it's a lot of like in the same area a

homelessness I guess all that you could

call that like economics but like here's

here's something very recent like just a

real dope thing that I saw yesterday so

the other day like two days ago we went

up to a school so let me rewind it a

little bit more like the big thing that

a lot of people know me for it is I went

on I went on this this this long thing

where I was trying to raise money for

CPS Chicago Public Schools because we

were in a huge debt and the state didn't

want to give us any any money and

basically it was like a bunch of like

political [ __ ] like how you're talking

about [ __ ] being corrupt like mother

[ __ ] was trying to get reelected that

those elections are actually this year

and so there was like this this hold on

all funds coming in on a bunch of

different things for the city of Chicago

because the mayor and the governor

don't [ __ ] with each other they're both

lame as hell so basically I came in and

started trying to raise funds to raise

awareness for the deficit and which is

very similar like me giving away free

albums to like raise awareness on

artistic independence and so basically

I've raised a bunch of money and then I

donated to the first twenty schools we

raised like 2.2 million dollars so we

did 20 schools last year about to

announce another 20 schools and I think

and actually next week when we come back

Chicago and so that was a huge back

story just to say two days ago

I went to one of the schools that got

one of these grants the other day for a

ribbon-cutting they used the money and

built a state-of-the-art science lab in

their school in the first day beautiful

they're doing this experiment on

zebrafish which are these little

microscopic fish that have like 99% of

the same DNA as humans and they were

putting them in you know you well you

have the control one so they had clean

water but then they had these two other

ones they were putting different

percentages of lead in their water and

it was all under the CDC regulation for

the amount of lead that us as humans

anybody should be drinking and it was

and they were watching under a

microscope how it was mutating these

fish because also zebrafish grow they do

unlike humans they do like their whole

nine months of incubation and stuff in

seven days so they're watching these

fish and exactly like what how we grow

but way faster in their reaction to this

to this led water you know and and then

using the data to compare to Flint where

they were having way over the amounts in

their wood they were showing like they

weren't getting it like they were their

brain wasn't connected to their muscles

and their eyes were like it was just all

types of [ __ ] up stuff but these are

little kids that are getting to get that

information and getting to make those

connections and understand who they are

in the world and why there's other

people that are dealing wishes someway

to them on a higher level because their

economic standards are similar because

they're the same color and it was just a

dope thing to see cuz they didn't have

that [ __ ] before and not because they

didn't deserve it just cuz of where they

were and who are the type of population

in their school like they're the ethnic

population in their school and so I'll

be honest man I thought all this you

love and human [ __ ] was just like a

front but I believe it he's what they

sure

tell me bug I want to know how can I

help from us as a people I do need your

your platform you know because a lot of

people really including me I follow you

on Instagram like follow your like

influence of joy and your your take on

the culture and so I think like what you

think is cool is cool and so imma show

right now like months and months see I

think that's cool

I think you be from what politicians is

cool actually that's the conversation we

were having before you walked in yeah

mall said you was corny for that I love

it say there's face mall that's okay

okay

caught you bout zebrafish new yeah it's

a corner so now that uh old boys not

doing the re-election do you think

that's gonna be a big swing in Chicago

yeah it's made a big big change in it

because it's like a wide-open race now

so there's like I think 15 or 16

candidates okay like one of them is so

you know about the the Jason van Dyke

trial in Chicago yep so this police

officer that murdered this this kid shot

him 16 times basically his trial is

going on right now and the old police

superintendent under the mayor who

resigned for his involvement in this

yeah

murder is now running for election in

Chicago he's got a lot of supporters and

one what's crazy is like this club that

we all go to in Chicago called Paris

Club studio Paris the owners of that let

us entertainment are funding his

campaign so damn Paris won't go into

that club anymore

right that's it a super day I'd rather

go to liquor box or something

Flickr box that sounds like a danger

it's fine not supportive murder its

Christ that's true

yeah we have this shot of liquor box

then we

we have this thing we do here whenever

we get sad so I'm gonna do that now I

still want to know ha get down to zebra

fish though I'm stuck on this Kanye the

greatest

I feel better already

I feel great chance talks I'm not even

looking at him as a rapper anymore

and now everything he's saying about

having any music any music no I like it

makes more sense yeah he used you used

hip-hop because it was a love it was a

passion all right I'm sorry before you

go too far with it I am a rapper and I

definitely sure dierent on rat but as a

whole I got very forward-thinking ideas

and I'm also 25 so I got a minute in

this joint but right now I definitely am

starting to understand why [ __ ]

get to a certain point and start making

a lot of records about how they don't

want to be more famous you know what I

mean and so tell me more about about

that because I see that happening a lot

now like well actually I say that I say

that a lot of today's acts seem a lot

more introverted but then the more I go

back and back and look at just a lot of

artists we've been introverted guys are

artists are so naturally introverted

yeah yeah yeah we want everybody to [ __ ]

what I said and we want to be able to to

have as many people here as possible but

that effect is way different when it

gets to like such a crazy version of you

know and so me especially being somebody

that lives where I grew up and you know

where's your second house I'm tired of

you running that line I don't have in

seattle somewhere come on you watch the

cat Williams thing I'm a generation

inspired by the [ __ ] that inspired me

Katt Williams and Dave Chappelle very

much so

timeout who went to fight between Katt

Williams and Kevin Hart a fistfight yeah

no chance of fight I'm not

you can't open that no I mean less

chance no I mean in real life Kevin Hart

probably weighs a lot more than Katt

Williams I think we watched the 17 year

old kid beat the brakes off for cat week

he didn't beat the brakes off rolling

around in the grass he lost the fight

he'd knocked us he he'd knocked the

cigarettes out his pocket once you got

grass stains on your pocket family the

cigarettes fall out your pocket no

choice I feel you when you collecting

cigarettes and I was just I was only

saying I was only bringing up his name

at all to say he made a point about him

being a certain age and never having

what do you say like he said I've never

had credit and never at least a car I

said like yeah I'm having a mortgage or

something like that and that's very much

so me like and maybe it's cuz I'm young

maybe it's cuz I come from a cynical

family that didn't have a lot of money

but I've I don't got like hella

investments in stocks I don't got credit

cards I don't have a mortgage on it like

I own everything that I got my car I got

a decent a suburban like a regular like

black uber car it's not a super to go to

though yes I got nice [ __ ] I'm not

saying I got a weak [ __ ] I'm gonna

saying I don't have anything that I

couldn't afford I don't have any any

debts to any [ __ ] so well how did you

avoid all of these pitfalls my dad and

my mom and it might be because I still

got both his parents yeah I got I got

both my parents his parents man

look what we clap in it we are we in

society we gotta clap for having both

parents like 28 years yeah and they're

very well educated so yeah well my

parents didn't finish college or

anything neither one of my parents it

doesn't house but they definitely

finished high school yes yeah I don't

want to say that they're very educated

like they got you know I don't want it

and I'm also not trying to bring them

down at all like they're definitely

successful people that stayed together

and they rotted me do you know what time

Takashi showed up the whole block oh

yeah I saw the video I want Instagram

every wrap-up be on every timeline but

not just every page please the big ones

big ones also I appreciate Paul's [ __ ]

is trying to find something that's

suggestive chances you got a you got a

Grammy for [ __ ] that they don't give a

Grammy out for I did that's kind of fire

though right that was the plan yo you

found a loop they said yeah I saw it

coming yeah I'm sick of him and Kanye

with this prophesizing she all right

don't put me on Calle level prophesy

wait really told me to take it off he

told me he said he said I don't want to

put the SH Mami's on there that's what

he said cuz he wasn't even at the time I

can understand that and I was like I was

like nah yo cuz this is gonna work out

and then that [ __ ] extra work though

it's three times its [ __ ] text the Lord

you a just know anybody out there

watching the video you

got to be famous to have that open line

of communication either like you could

be you MBA no uncle we gotta go through

your goose bumps man I had you pegged

totally wrong before this like I had you

pegged as a totally different person

really I definitely did help how did you

have him pegged oh I'm not I thought you

were just like super like just head up

just like super head up your ass like

but where would you ever get that from

well when you have when you have at the

success that he's had as a young age it

is easy to kind of walk around feeling

like that and it is easy to lose sight

of you know who you are as a person

especially at 25 like you know we was

doing that 25 like you know me as AI so

for him he has a real strong head on his

shoulders like he's focused he's focused

he'll be around for a while you

self-medicate at all nah I don't have

any issues with medication like oh no I

mean like oh you mean like yeah I had

like addiction issues at one point yeah

definitely what I meant like I don't

have like I don't have a problem with

people that are prescribed medicines for

their for what they need them for taking

a bar I don't necessarily believe in

like I'm not even don't believe in but

know I should just answer to simply

that's good that you give that deep dive

into it I feel like you would I feel

like you would be a man-purse guy I'm

new to the men purses and I will tell

you I'm enjoying it man I like it

European it's a big bag to carry

whatever you need in it and I mean

everything's like up in your pockets I

was trying to figure out yeah but before

I crossed over I judged [ __ ] dude

waters [ __ ] but do you know what those

bags have been around for so long and

it's like soon as they slap

Elvie or Gucci on it everybody in the

hood one it's like no no the white boys

in Washington winning bags for years

it was putting laptop solution but the

swag is [ __ ] do the it's like more of

like the fanny pack

have y'all seen yeah I just won't like

this not like a full Hey

just like I just was meant to be more

efficient than women or with their

purses cuz I was always jealous about yo

you got an extra charger you got some

gum like nah I got that you have a whole

person I would have the whole I have my

crib in there rockin now my old charger

right I just want men to use them well

alright I'm on board

if we use them efficient but you had

that when you had your bookbag though I

know that's kind of my point

Seebeck the chances point about the

business [ __ ] carry in the [ __ ] I

always wanted to do that but there's a

rapper you never had the reason to carry

until you slap the rappers like once you

slap a name brand on it and make it cool

then they'll wear it chance my son tells

me that that little pouch bag you

speaking about is called a clout clout

bag telling me to in high school that's

what friends call that bag

so you find around put clout inside the

bag yes look like you chase them or the

bag is for the yeah yeah oh you put the

you got the cloud if you have the bag I

don't believe I'm you know I'm kids a

retarder myself this is why we need to

see bro horses in every school we

wouldn't have a zebra fishes so summer

summer is officially over Rory and I

argue every summer about a song of the

summer yes like five years running

so let me just tell you guys that I went

to about maybe five parties total this

summer and every time I heard that check

west us check what is it check check

check that's my list before me check

West song you know no one

so listen stupid old me was always

confused when this song came on okay yo

why did I keep playing this [ __ ]

brain watching [ __ ] like who loves this

mmm

I just took my son in my girl to say

everybody did yeah everybody loves this

song oh yeah if we talking specifically

in New York that was the song of the

summer in New York City for sure I mean

you could do the drake in my feelin

shape for the masses but that was the

song in New York City the summer well

let's make drink let's make chance say

that in my feelings was song in the

summer

what do you think of song summer was G

song of the summer worldwide probably in

my feelings yeah you don't get married

if Kanye put you in these positions

why you say Calle put me in a lot of

positions like oh yeah oh yeah well

because like walk me through this Maggie

head with the Kaepernick sweatshirt

it seemed like it totally contradicts

everything you stand for yeah yeah

alright

I can relax I think I ate Chaya has said

it before but I think he thinks like for

every move at least for the past few

albums he thinks about himself like 300

years in the future and how people read

things and figures himself as trying to

create a bigger blip on the long

timeline where a lot of other people

will be stuck in like you know a very

small space of like what where their art

reaches or where their thoughts reach

after they've died and I think he does a

lot of stuff for the attention of the

masses to get that stuff documented and

made into it made in the history but I

think also a lot of times the attention

that he may be seeking is at the

immediate detriment of some people that

may need the attention more oh he's just

the biggest troll of all time yeah well

I mean he came into the game troll I

mean but do you think that's gonna be a

good stamp in history that you use

people's pain to promote your music that

then instilled did nothing like yeh

didn't tell me anything positive

afterwards

hmm it was a great way to work that

chance I'm still thinking about it yeah

to the detriment again no I said yeah I

said yay

the attention that he that he wants to

do that children of those who would need

it more yeah do you have those

conversations behind the scenes hell

yeah I'm not a timid person like I know

maybe I come off that way no I don't

always want out with the mustache though

but there's get all that symmetry to

wait you look like you 17 until I zero

in on her mustache that might not his

thing as a [ __ ] still for Chicago

I feel like yeah I mean definitely in

these past few weeks since he's been

back in Chicago like that's what it is

like hard conversations I guess found

but do you believe that [ __ ] about he's

never leave in Chicago again tell truth

that he's never leaving Chicago

playing Saturday Night Live tonight you

know what I mean do I think he's getting

a crib there yes I'm staying there

forever I don't know what staying there

forever means staying means not leaving

there means one place and forever is

eternity in New York tonight and

somebody time-stamped that one time save

on time mark that example whatever up I

just forgot well Fame yeah no I just

said no twice I feel like maybe I'm not

wording it correctly I I mean like you

were talking about somebody that owns

multiple homes like yay owns multiple

homes in LA yeah he's also just on a

different spending plane an artistic

imprint plane then I'm on like I'm in a

different place so and for me if I live

in Chicago I live in Chicago like for

him if he lives in Chicago he could also

live in Prague and live in LA and live

in New York and live in a bunch of

families no he said Oh Prague no I don't

know Nicky told all of us we know on

this podcast we've kind of thought that

this new Chicago thing Kong is doing is

kind of a cheap rebrand do you guys feel

that way in Chicago that he's using this

to try to get back and go graces of

people I think some people did think

that way for sure

I think 80% of the city feels that way I

think ia wants what I don't think for

Calle it's a cheap trick I think in

Calle for Calle it's like being able to

be around family Ben being able to sit

down for a nice dinner at like a regular

house for like you know being able to be

in the studio and see people that he

knew growing up and being able to walk

around streets that he lived in and it's

like building something for him inside

hmm I said on one of the previous

episodes that I think this he's using

this to heal I don't think he ever

really he'll from the passing of his mom

I think he's using this as an

opportunity to go back home and to kind

of just heal those wounds and grieve

properly that's what I think I'd agree

I could see it I could see it a feeling

a chance would be helpful in this whole

I'm trying to get rappers to start a

union don't you think we need a union

yeah I used to be talking about that a

lot I feel like you damn near were on an

emailing me with like there's no money

and a bunch of people definitely would

not be on an email with you and Janelle

Monae do you know do you [ __ ] with

Rhapsody she was like one of the main

people trying to love Rhapsody yeah so

like we were all trying to do that what

were those conversations about I mean I

just create like a like a form a union

- we just never formed we should force

not too late yeah get that you can even

gotta leave Chicago and help help out

with some [ __ ] the truth is it can't

work cuz [ __ ] are in deals like [ __ ]

don't own their own recording like

that's why I'm independent not cuz I

didn't get no help

I'm independent because I own all my

recording rights and my publishing

rights and distribution everything if so

for the three weeks that you let Apple

hold it no I still owned all that stuff

in it that was hard to beat on his

podcast no I wasn't that was that was a

part of the reason why I wanted to go on

every day struggle I didn't at the time

because I don't know I don't want to be

on the show but but I'm on this show

because I would love to discuss that I

think that that's super important

because there's hella people that's

watching your show right now that

haven't made that decision yet and they

could benefit from hearing us talk about

it but do you think that this union

couldn't be inclusive of some of the

people in deals like they don't though

they what what is what can they bring to

the table what can they say that they're

not going to do or they will do when

somebody else controls they are

literally their voice no see and that's

weird that's where the good old Joe

button a contract means nothing Theory

comes into play because no they control

what your voice record but they don't

control your actual voice so I'm of the

if these [ __ ] just not record a thing

she's going strike like the Buster you

use like teachers do then they would

they would use a little more power no

and I think they would have something to

offer to that type of movement with that

power I think the labels would rather

quick the thing is that's like the

immediate action of like me going on

radio and being like yo I'm talking as

if I was assigned [ __ ] like oh yeah

like [ __ ] the labels they got me doing

this but you don't try to do all that

stuff okay but they own not your current

action and your voice in terms of you

trying to get on a show that one time

and say how you feel but they own your

voice in terms of like your old

recordings and how you pay your bills

and how you act for more advances and

how you actually put on tours and how

you actually be put on radio to promote

your single so once you go on and you

piss off whoever actually has your

contract and who is a good example of

this is my friend Jeremiah a lot of the

[ __ ] that happened to him in his and his

late nights album the reason why that

[ __ ] took like six years to drop is

because he wasn't [ __ ] with Def Jam

and that was public and they you don't

have to show them about art it's not

[ __ ] with Def Jam relationship with

Def Jam and I'm not even assigned to

them by relationship do you have with

Def Jam and why I'm good I'm a rapper yo

who was on my album Justin Bieber was

cleared to change Lil Wayne Kanye West I

could go down the list but it's a lot of

people on my on my last album that were

what would you say mark what would you

say to the people who would love to hear

you with like lyricist do you purposely

avoid lyricist here Jay Electronica

electronica Lil Wayne to change those

line lyricist yeah who do you mean who's

a lyricist that you want to see me work

with because I probably would be down

for that [ __ ] hmm let me think let me

think about the three stacks if you

still want to do that track I'm here

yeah I am you leave it solo you just be

walking around and so every day

I always be handles old number when I

just tell people where people know I

mean that's what the Internet running

joke everyone runs into three sex every

day I'm the only person there yeah I'm

the only person New York that has not

run into three seconds in front of top

man in New York just be walking around

something he walks 34th Street all the

time really I literally had no I'm not

telling you I needed three stacks verse

he's not he's not just wrapping the way

that I would just play the verse in my

oh let's talk about the independence

thing because I think that if we don't

talk about it it'll just be like I was

trying to let you off the hook man don't

let me off that clean that independent

you weren't independent I understand

what you were saying but you're not

independent you are misleading and miss

guiding the [ __ ] kids please X which

are semantics do you want to explain why

we need we need we need we need so what

does the word oh man your friend done

ate a pretzel now his hoodie still yes

you grab some popcorn what what does

independent mean chanson I was just

saying a second ago to me it means an

artist ability to own their masters

telling their publishing to to work

everything in-house and create their own

team that's to me what it means and so

for it guess not what happened what

happen

you got preferential treatment from

Apple that wasn't your in-house team so

business my preface in partnership what

was my can you say the word again

preferential what deferential treatment

yes

what does that mean it means that it

means that normally apples product

placement is algorithm based it wasn't

for yours what is out what is what is

that I'm sicker chance no I just want to

know cuz there's people at you're saying

this to also that wasn't they it

means that the data is responsible and

solely responsible for what you see and

where you see it jump on let me explain

it to you because you haven't had this a

billboard in a long I'm explaining I'm

explaining to you how it works any

artist that has any kind of tick the

Chicago slang for [ __ ] know who they

are can call Apple before they release a

track whether it's them or their

management or their agent or their label

or whoever they can call Apple and say

we want to be on the front page we're

about to drop they could they can upload

it he will I still understand how that

doesn't make you it wouldn't it be crazy

if I had take off and no but in that way

like if I buy it it's mad accurate I'm

done with Rory because we've had the

paper you talk to me

yes parks it is accurate cans please

don't interrupt

so now let's walk will help me walk

through this okay morals artists uh-huh

more got some tick he's bobbing calls up

Apple poster tell me how it goes is he

popping he's got some tick I said he's

got tick don't put him on the front page

I understand where that doesn't

independent is that little I'm James I

bored here I'm sweating before II I

don't know you to continue to co-sign

everything he says chance that is not

true

artist can that artist would tick can't

just call Apple say this is what I want

and then that's what's happening for

nine months because you have it nice

where that's what you got to understand

is you don't tell them exactly what you

need you can ask them for [ __ ] and

they'll give you a

offer but there's a million different

places that you could they could put you

I just put out four tracks around the

same time as a bunch of people dropping

[ __ ] that I didn't call them for two

weeks with your define they can only put

me all on one second they could only put

me in hot tracks but they have a million

different things I'll offer you they'll

say we'll put you an a-list hip hop

they'll say we'll put you in on hot

tracks they'll say we'll put you on the

front page we'll give you a slide we'll

put you on on on the Browse page there's

literally a million different things I

think I offer you back to your

definition of independent where you said

me and my in-house team yeah so was I

really because I didn't have to have

somebody from Def Jam call anybody up I

don't have to have any I had the [ __ ]

that I pay you called your partner I

call my who has a community of nine

hundred billion people and said this is

what I need wait let me talk so I say

it's misleading chance because there's

some kids out there they need to know

what independent really means and I will

tell this out there that I'm gonna tell

them right now independence means with

an in-house team you own your own

masters you own your publishing you do

all your own distribution all I want is

for kids to grow up and not understand

they need that crutch what you're doing

that's why I what you're doing because

in just what you're doing is trying to

nitpick because you feel like I'm trying

to wear it as some badge of something

that is like that's what you did

explanitory that's what you did yeah

well it is what it is because I'm very

specific I'm the first [ __ ] to do this

successfully so I have to show a bunch

of kids that they could do that [ __ ]

you trying to tell them that they can't

do that [ __ ] it's counterproductive and

your feet and kids into the system tell

me what I said kids can't do you are

trying to tell them that I'm not

independent you're trying to tell them

that they can't even call Apple you can

call Apple matter of fact it's [ __ ]

they think they can't even get their

[ __ ] on iTunes my album wasn't sent in

an email to Apple I still had to use

TuneCore I implore you to use toon court

I implore you to use different

distribution software's and get your

[ __ ] every

he has to take any money from you you

how much how much percentage do you

think Apple got from my coloring book

songs no idea right it ain't no

percentage I pay I pay into it just like

everybody else they uses to in court so

I'm saying I basically used the platform

I also don't think you're about to tell

me two splits either I thought I was

being cool and it may have seemed need

here like I needed to explain too much

but a long time ago I told people what

it was I had already had coloring book

made I didn't have a perm hey from my

coloring book for my for my shirt to get

me I don't have them call up any artist

to get on my [ __ ] I had a project ready

they actually let me give you a little

bit even more foresight into it the

whole Drake Apple deal which I feel like

is closer to what you think my [ __ ] is

was offered to me first Drake has a deal

what had a deal maybe with Apple for a

long time where he was their main artist

and he and he put up a couple projects

on it for exclusive and they gave him

any more money than they gave me but I

get it drinks way bigger artist than me

they offered me a long time ago to do

two projects with them and it would have

been surf and coloring book but they

wanted a solo chance project and I

didn't have that at the time I was

working on surf surf as a project I made

with my band and I'm not even really on

all the tracks so you can understand why

they wouldn't want that or throw the

money that they gave him to Drake at

that got it

so I'm a surf I still was able to

convince him to put it up for free in

their store which is the first time I

ever did this this was before Apple

music came but they told me in the

meetings there's something that we're

gonna drop that's gonna be craziest kind

of it's gonna take the old iTunes

library it's gonna put that [ __ ] in the

trash like this is the new thing and it

was Apple music I didn't know about that

[ __ ] at the time hmm I finished coloring

book right on time I've been oh no it

was late because if it was on time I

would have got 20 million but it was it

was off time so I got five hundred

thousand and the five hundred thousand

was in the midst of what they called the

streaming Wars so all these different

platforms were fighting to put content

on there on their website for a certain

number of weeks first so Frank had did

something like that all that

idle artist that did stuff like that

spot if I started doing it and they were

doing these exclusive two weeks time

were the only people logging those

streaming hours and money were coming

directly to their platform I think that

helps not to cut you off do you think

that helps or hinders in orders I think

it helps our artists but they have a

truce going on right now where there's

no extremely exclusive places anymore so

basically they wanted to do a two-weeks

exclusive which they it did with a bunch

of artists with me me being the probably

the best person that you could do a wit

cuz my [ __ ] hadn't been on title up to

that date my [ __ ] hadn't been on Spotify

or Apple music up to that day so they

came to me they said here's some money

which I used for advertising and we'll

put you in a commercial and two

commercials during the NBA Finals and

that was that was what it was now if I

will say if you're an artist oh she's

still independent right now you know

Spotify we need to be an NBA Finals

[Laughter]

artist if your if you're a young artists

and you're watching this and you believe

that in order for you to to keep your

independence and that's something that

you hold dearly which I think you should

that you should not do any exclusives

with any streaming platforms even if

it's only two weeks I say do that for

sure but I would say the most important

things whether you do a streaming

exclusive thing or not is keeping your

masters and your publishing because

those are the type of things that your

IP or intellectual property that when

you die your kids and your wife will

have and that and that [ __ ] is it can't

even be appraised like that sure is

limitless in terms of the money that can

make your imagery all that stuff gets

signed away in 360 deals and you don't

even know that you think you're signing

for an album or something you're signing

away your likeness you're signing away

your merch abused you're signing away so

many different things yes so forever so

if if if you think that I'm not

independent because Apple B and I and I

will say you're right Apple has a huge

community of people that they're that

they're putting their music out to but I

personally believe and you could believe

me or not that

my chef wouldn't have debuted at number

eight if I hadn't done that my [ __ ]

would have been number one there was

only one place you could get my [ __ ]

from if you know my numbers I've done

crazy numbers on live mixtapes and

datpiff I've done crazy numbers on

soundcloud imagine if culinary book I

came out and it was on Spotify and on

title and on Apple music and on

soundcloud the first day at drop I got

rid of numbers and money that I could

have got to do that but I was thinking a

way a lot of us think which is I need

500k and I did it but also what it did

help me out with and I would have never

done this so let me be another one to

point up to Jesus who I rock with the

long 11.2 if I hadn't have done it I

wouldn't have won any Grammys and I say

this because months later after I

dropped my project it came out that now

streaming only albums will be accepted

but here's the here's the ticker only

albums that have been on a streaming

platform that's been verified by the

Academy for over one year will be

acceptable

so Spotify which didn't get its

verification until way later wasn't on

that list so if I maybe if I hadn't done

it so alright so there's a there's an

alternate reality where I did so I would

still be eligible but if I adjusted it

with SoundCloud who I was in contact

with again I'm a [ __ ] that's on my

phone

it ain't nobody else making calls it's

me or its Pat or its Kyle you have a

twin brother stop it but I'm saying um I

made calls to Spotify I'm not Spotify to

SoundCloud and say y'all haven't done

this yet y'all need to join the

streaming war y'all need to get in on

this

these [ __ ] offered me 500 K I know I

know y'all give me 1.5 and and then I

could be where I started [ __ ] with me

and they said we don't have the money

for you I'm sorry Spotify well it

doesn't really matter because Alex isn't

even running that show anymore somebody

else now so well all I'm saying is

call me if you want to rap right now

imma good to you but no I was trying to

do that one before tracks I called

everybody nobody's trying to do the

exclusive [ __ ] right now cuz they have a

truce going on yeah where they're not

trying to do streaming exclusives cuz

they felt like it was [ __ ] up the

money and call me gonna bring the war

back and we diploma thrown the showing

chance that's a wild throw now forget it

aw yes it is really interesting so I

want I want just to take a second to

take it off of me cuz I could be

whatever it is I'm not interested in

being an idea or a spirit or anything

that's here after I've left I'm trying

to go to heaven

don't make no Holograms of me don't try

and use me as some type of martyr to

lead any movement I'm just me and I say

what I say when I'm saying it I don't

have to be the independent anything I

know that I am because that's how [ __ ]

have painted me and that's how I've been

trying to paint myself but if you don't

make it about me

I believe that artists should be able to

do whatever they want to do exact but I

think you should keep your publishing

and you should keep your masters at the

end of the day you should keep those

things because those will be very

valuable to your kids and to your wife

but if you want to do if you want to do

a sprite commercial cuz sprite is huge

sprite is huge but I don't get you a lot

of fans and sprite will pay you some

money to to be in those commercials

coach dangerous if they offer that to

you and they're trying to get to the

culture just know i'mma still think

you're independent you I'm gonna be

there right which I'm in your corner

chants no I had I agree what you saying

and I guess that was the realization for

me after a while it was like it doesn't

[ __ ] matter if he's in the better

he's not independent he's preaching the

good word so I can't I can't knock down

a [ __ ] for preaching independence when

that's all I've ever preached I can't

find I can't get more [ __ ] preaching

the right [ __ ] with more light and more

a platform to reach and then do that so

I stopped oh right right yo cuz that's

someone that I could respond to I can't

respond to everybody on the internet

like it's it shouldn't be about me and

so like I gotta take [ __ ] in stride

if [ __ ] gonna call me an industry

plant that's cool I feel like who is

called y'all can't see it but they don't

got a lot of followers so I'm saying

that [ __ ] I'm reading that [ __ ] I'm hurt

as hell I'm like man I'm about to write

up a dissertation on why I'm not but

it's like I can't really do that so you

giving me the platform to explain that

and also to talk to people that like

it's that's like a thing in our head is

like getting discovered or getting put

on is like a thing that we look for for

so much validation but it's like it's

literally the handcuffs on you and if

they're willing to give you that bag

like just know they could it's an

investment they can already see the bag

that they gonna get beyond that so so I

just want I want more focus to realize

that [ __ ] and not be in the system

cuz that [ __ ] weakest hell do you think

industry plants are a real thing I do

fetch that term came in it came up when

I was like in 2012 what people that I

knew that I [ __ ] with and I don't think

they did anything wrong but if what

would happen was a label would sign you

and they would say we're not gonna do a

press release about this [ __ ] you're not

gonna let you say it on Twitter we're

gonna put you in the studio and have you

making records for a long time and we'll

figure out the whole

and then we'll do a press release and

then the album will come or we'll put

out the project as just a mixtape and

then we'll do the press release and

that'll and that'll allow you to have

your fans cuz there's already there's

been a negative light around labels for

a long time especially after that that

bidding war should start how do we get

rid of all of them don't they all need

to just disintegrate their government

factions they pay a tax to the

government

they're government-owned it's not like

they are their own private businesses so

there is no getting rid of them there's

just [ __ ] being like I don't need it

news

it's just [ __ ] [ __ ] got to be like I

don't need it I don't want it I don't

need it right and I'm good and like that

and like you know I will I'm willing to

like be putting out projects with

Jeremiah that [ __ ] don't clear

and and just end up on Soundcloud for

the rest of my life I'll do that [ __ ] if

that's what it ends up me well it's

because you and your whole family is

rich yeah some luxury there yeah yeah

well just know when I get money

everybody eats so ever since I first

started making money making money

my mom ain't been worried about [ __ ]

from you [ __ ] a big guy ain't saying

none over there man

I need his clout back right good but

that's the thing like I'm also making

opportunities for hella people that all

didn't necessarily come from the

industry you know I mean these people

are beak or not you know what I'm saying

all desk workers and [ __ ] like that

these are people that just love music

that are my best friends that are

Heavy's now you know the name Kali mares

[ __ ] know ricci known like we

are we could like you know if somebody's

calling you on the phone you better

answer and that's my team and I think

everybody's team

could be like that if we make our own

industry and everybody has their group

like I don't think that I I personally

don't believe the platforms are an enemy

of the people at all I don't believe

that like these that these new modes of

listening to music our enemy it's just

bad when the labels are all invested in

it and here he comes their [ __ ] same

thing with like if I was if I came out

in the 60s I wouldn't be like you

wouldn't [ __ ] that I wouldn't be like

[ __ ] [ __ ] dis makers or [ __ ] the you

know a vinyl plant I mean right but the

labels bought like cornered the industry

are or cornered the market on on vinyl

presses so to get a record may you

literally needed a record deal yeah well

they also invested in the streaming

platforms as well yeah all the majors

did definitely definitely a spot so it's

the same thing but but the difference is

Spotify to Spotify because finally some

big ups thanks Big Ups to Spotify cuz

they were the first the first major

streaming platform to add the upload

button mm-hmm so now yeah if I'm in my

room about like should I sign to a label

I can put my son on Spotify today right

yeah that changes everything and they

show and they show the numbers which

shows your worth yeah they don't give

all the metrics you know all the

missions wait wait wait at any other

streaming platform actually I don't want

to speak on it for the independent

artist for the uploads cuz I don't know

how that works yet it's brand-new I'm

talking about buffer labels it's

actually like I know it's against policy

it might be against the law for somebody

that sign to see their actual metrics

that should good sense sent to the label

so they can know who's clicking this

song and playing it a million times and

their email address and ways to send

them promotions that show like that and

they sell that information but they

don't give that information to to me if

I'm signed to Atlantic I can't see who's

clicking on my even though I might want

to send them t-shirts I might want to

send them some Fanta preciate [ __ ] right

yeah they don't get that [ __ ] so I but

I'm now I'm like saying that they bogus

again I'm really just saying yo

I was talking uh I was talking to jay-z

Joe I'm gonna say it I was talking to

jay-z like two months ago a month ago

now I was like two months ago I was like

yellow here's how you beat him Joe get

that upload button to late no I gonna

make that the standard right that's

gonna become the standard was that was

that the end of his response to that in

real life the first thing he said is we

got that on the platform and I was like

[ __ ] no you don't but then but then he

was like oh we're gonna work on that and

I probably will do that [ __ ] I hope they

do sure someone has thought about that

in this I have a theory about hope

watch your mom I was gonna say yeah be

careful here know how I feel about those

like okay I feel like puff is puff

because he keeps so many young people

around him right and I feel like if hole

did that he would probably take over the

universe because then these

conversations like chance was trying to

have with him he would have in his daily

rotation and what he could do with that

information is limitless

I feel like hope definitely rocks what

he had me backstage talking to him like

before he's allowed to get on the stage

like he was with his wife talking to me

about [ __ ] that he probably wasn't

thinking about like he's not thinking

about how to optimize title while he's

about to get on stage that's the reason

why like I feel like he probably the

first time he was like yeah we got that

cuz he probably wasn't really there's

mine I hear what y'all trying to say

because I'd be talking about [ __ ] that

don't matter at the wrong time yeah to

be honest there

I know you see what when I'm doing over

there I'm in my bag okay I agree we do

with the younger thing butthole pays

attention much more than I think people

notice as far as like living on the

Internet and what's going on that's very

different from what I'm saying paying

attention and and having young people

around you constantly are two different

things I know but I think they go a bit

hand-in-hand I know it does have young

people around him because he pays

attention to the Internet so much who

was young around old he's not gonna tell

you what is you to be I'm already

forgetting to be like old [ __ ] getting

to be a billionaire I wish that all the

rappers had to walk around with the

actual bank account above they had much

money we talked about it kid [ __ ]

don't got money like that screaming it

forever but because I'm brain [ __ ]

don't care everybody other than like hos

and Diddy and maybe drink and that's it

the ala broke yes bro now by whose

standards though by Tears you won't

think about it in layers yo cuz even the

richest [ __ ] a hip-hop they not

touching the richest [ __ ] that's just

white right so I'm saying like it's

different layers to that [ __ ] but we we

because of like how the culture is set

up I say that's not like a bank account

or like or like but that's the way that

it should be said because it's set up in

design yeah it's designed for us to feel

like we gotta have like hella cars or

money that's like you know what's it

called I can't remember what it's called

but hmm yeah liquid cash like like even

when I talk about how I'm like

financially sound because I don't have

credit initiative like that like that's

is I don't know if that's even really

smart like I don't know I'm a living

based off of like the insecurities that

I don't really know how money works so

it works best when it's right in front

of me and it's not like being invested

somehow so when when when we look on

and [ __ ] is doing like like spray it

challenges and [ __ ] with the castle I

see what I see chance do the money phone

at all I haven't done a money phone but

I've probably done a money phone at the

strip club and [ __ ] like I go to strip

clubs

I just stopped the hell I just decided

the last time I went to the strip club

it was gonna be my last time at the

strip club cuz I'm like wait wait you

have you skip over chance in a strip

club this is a great thing I'm broke

where you was in a back room

you went to the back room come on no my

favorite spot is onyx hey my follies

I've actually never been inside Follies

dosoo never once I've been at LAN you go

to the strip club do you wait at 3 hatas

if you have my hat on

and you walked in Follies I wouldn't

know you was chance cuz yo cuz you

looked like every [ __ ] in Atlanta only

only one [ __ ] got that moustache his

brother let me tell you a straight up

fat yeah I was just telling y'all about

the matrix right and this theory that

neo is not the one he's not the one

right mm-hmm

Agent Smith is my theory is that I'm not

actually the one everybody's [ __ ]

with me and the whole story and the

narrative is like pointed towards me

being the one that you should look at

when we walk in as a group but really

the one is my daughter and she finna

[ __ ] this [ __ ] up I go crazy you see how

quick he got us off the strip club [ __ ]

he's a king it's things I gotta be put

in place for her to achieve the

greatness that she will and one of them

is her having a financially sound

background so this hat been paid for

college been paid for bracelets been

paid for

ballet class has been pay for a debate

class that way come on give it up I made

six million in one year off these heads

yeah oh yeah then I'm buying these hats

then why don't then one location for the

$3.00 Joe's been wearing a Scully foot

15 years and they made a dollar yeah

yeah all right now now I see why I won't

war on Albin seven we're still gonna

have the fashion aisle

I get it but just check yo I'm buying

these hats at like 6:15 strategic and I

think anybody could do that [ __ ] though

I think you gotta stop trying to uplift

people everybody can't do this everybody

can't do this [ __ ] you saying everybody

can't go Apple and say hey put my album

literally who do you think can't call

who do you think can't call Apple and

say put my promotion on they put me on

hold

any time smells in self store if you

don't relax smiles and sells right now

you don't have any tick in real life but

if you had a track right now and you

call Apple they put that [ __ ] on front

page first of all Spotify to the deaf

negotiate they would love that [ __ ] yo

they would love that [ __ ] title I don't

think we would chance from that opens

let's talk about it that opens the door

for an influx of artists the streaming

companies don't want all the artists

calling them I would assume it's not one

person yo or their team it's no I'm

saying like or you're saying apples team

do you know how Big Apple's team is they

made the laptop that we're using no they

did know they did is Apple computer this

is a spot of hot computer

this [ __ ] does not understand basic

[ __ ] spotify microphone I feel like

you just gotta understand you know I

give what happen Apple Apple Spotify

Spotify used to be if you follow ana.k

not a little team it's not a little like

building still looking for instagrams

phone number just telling us we could

call Apple Facebook yeah huh Facebook

champ if you go to the Facebook

headquarters you gonna be in the

Instagram I am Joe Budden I'm not

invited to the Facebook headquarters

stop saying that yo you are the main

[ __ ] that [ __ ] listening to you yeah

but I'm not going to Facebook a course

well you you don't have to go to the

Facebook headquarters I'm just saying

like we can't we I know that we speak

and joke and ingest but like it's so

many [ __ ] that literally aren't

hanging on to your words you can call

you can actually call [ __ ] yeah well

give me the number I can give you play

what is here now

what's crazy is the [ __ ] that I called

that I had sit across from me to get my

Apple deal was the [ __ ] that set this

up and set up rabbi I have no idea who's

that this is so crazy Carl you still