"Steven Victor" feat. Pusha T

definitely not whoever took that video no you want to get it drop drop that

Spotify give a chance oh my god that was a nasty nasty an issue that was we look

at I don't open spot if I don't report that now so we starting with you ready

let me know when you roll in I'm rolling okay so y'all can't hear the music only

I can hear the music no ice on this be here okay Mic Check Mic Check Mic Check

Mic Check I was not outside no he wasn't

but my mom was outside shout out to mom Duke for sure every time I say that y'all get quiet

your mom's outside for sure alright when I Johnson here we go my mom was that church Rory's mom I

don't think was grooving to this you know nah where did you pick up on this

type of stuff at now my family's still rockin with the [ __ ] probably not as heavy as your parents but alright why

the Irish people jamming out to Schalke my dad is a big music nerd he had all s [ __ ] in his basement uh somehow this why

is this song still tough all these years later two-step beat this it's hot you can't this sounds like it come out today

yeah this is crazy this is so crazy I have to cut it off ah now before I get

some gunshots in here damn I'm about to feel guilty cutting us off but [ __ ] it I

don't like the hook Rock liam's I only to claim from [ __ ] wherever shaka was

signed to microphone check one two what is this welcome to the Joe Budden

podcast episode 189 [ __ ] we're almost

dead damn and I had such a good run going alright 188 I feel like we missed

a hole I feel like I missed a whole period of time we're almost in the Fordham area right well

we're in for him right now 180 knife is for 118 I liked that [ __ ] stupid show ice tried to make me watch manna-fest

that [ __ ] show was trash did it take place on Fordham why did that remind you

know I'm Tomo it might lapse in time okay [ __ ] got in a plane that off in five

years was going full United class I see welcome to episode 188 of the Joe Budden

podcast I'm y'all's Joe Budden here with a few of my nearest and dearest friends parks is here mall is here up Rory is

here save on is here Erikson is here and is here and there's my ice is here

there's mad other [ __ ] here we have guest stuff so let me hit a round of applause for our guests here we go we

like that we like to be gracious when you have guests now not only do we not

normally have guests but we certainly don't have them on a Wednesday right right so this is just the first time in

a long time that told how the [ __ ] was like [ __ ] it was like hos friends

around okay like a guest but this is a very special occasion here we have a

very special guest Pusha T is here with us and I'm gonna have the round of applause again back

dammit and I think I think a gunshot once yeah gunshots over to applause for

forcing I like the applause you said I was a nice guy really nice guy said hi

to every single person of course was very nice of course it was mad good

etiquette well you got ready to wrap a stereotype quick yeah man rappers don't say I asked everyone's name rappers don't say I push is one of

the first [ __ ] and he don't really get credit for this but he's one of the first [ __ ] that was like a Street

[ __ ] to have like a pop star representation like Vince staples does

there's a few of you guys out there now is you mean like what you guys the

street [ __ ] are like really well connected in business oh yeah for sure I

feel like you will wanted to first on on that on that wave at least for my generation anyway as far as my producer

affiliation period in business in business yeah yeah I think it's all about the hustle I think what the

content the content that I have man it may be a ceiling to the content that I

have and you got a hustle other ways I mean I do for sure do you feel like

there's a ceiling to the content yeah man I mean you can't feel like that yeah no it is it is I feel I feel like it is I

feel like um you know it's like I look at it like this you know you had the

whole the whole Vera right and you know you know his content all that you know

it reached it reached the ceiling everything that happened everything that

happened within you know within that time has to me falling lower than that

you know it's falling under it you can't you can't have that crack era bubble you

know I'm saying like explosion burst when you got that content like he was before me so me coming under it I can be

great at it I can be good we can talk about it but it's probably not gonna hit that mm-hmm you know as far as you know commercial

success that type of thing yeah culturally I feel like you know people

are gonna dive in on it in and it still it still is still relevant but but we've

seen people have commercial success with this content what do you mean who I mean Ross that no no no to that level that's

a high feeling at some point had to

switch yeah he definitely went a little more pop his besides with that content

his his singles were not very much no the hard-knock life 4.5 yeah

bong that type [ __ ] it's the Jordan the Jordan stigma yeah see but I always I

tell new rappers like see familiar and that I tell new rappers if you're gonna rap about drugs right there's holes

there's push there's Jeezy and that that's where my

list stops when I'm talking to new rappers that want to do that you have to have an angle you have to do it as good

as these gentlemen or better because y'all three are like the pinnacle of that to me

listen push I like that I want to start this by shouting out Karen civil who

texted me and said that she better get her associate producer credit right right shoutout to k-e told me the same

[ __ ] and listen I'm from the school of credit is important you have to give it to people so Karen I want to thank you

for somehow facilitating this moment yes I don't have an ice breaker question

Bush let's get right to the shit's man okay rules in beef there are none

actually Rory sent that [ __ ] style speed Davies clip to the group chat

today yeah I thought that was a pretty good summary yes coming from an era where there were no rules and Drake is

coming down to that era with this battle he can't make the rules more or less all

right I want to I want to try to counter it somehow but I want to start by stitching on my coals too huge Drake

fans I'm so familiar it's fine

this one here I had Lord willing in my

bedroom okay but the fact that you are that you are so familiar and that's what I was arguing arguing about but that's

what I was talking to Rory up brow before you got here or ice I'm talking to somebody you are an extremely

cerebral man like yeah [ __ ] no look at me funny

your your understanding is top-notch brah am i yes you're right but that's

why I'm here so that's why for me I won't allow that that's like a cop-out

that's why I'm here I'm here you can't say you guys are like analytical to me okay

all of you okay okay all of you I'll look at all of you as a lie detector test I respect I'll take it really tell me

more I'm here tell me more about that that that that's vague that's just well I want to have a complete thing I think

that um I think that uh like I said like just very well-versed very well-versed

and rap of course hmm very condescending very analytical you

see through the [ __ ] right even when you be on TV right now watch you want somebody say some [ __ ] and you ain't

supposed to say when you spoiled me political correct your face doesn't even hide it well I don't know how to be

polluted hey bro it's fine I don't that's why I don't but that's why this platform works because I know

politically correct [ __ ] it's all right so let's get to it uh no rules in beef well first of all

absolutely not I agree this beef has been brewing it's been like a smoke this

[ __ ] been brewing for years I almost want to know where it started from yeah I think a lot of people don't know I listen I don't know let me tell you

something I mean just to be honest with you um I don't know like me and him in

particular I really don't know where it started it I could say that when I came

to good me being on a team right I take

everything personal like I can remember I can remember being on good and

reading the interview and Birdman saying nobody popping on on good except Kayne

mm-hmm we make a new god flow you know I'm saying and you gotta kill the three of them and edit it all whatever I was

saying okay like is that [ __ ] it's it could be they could be I'm on one came

out and I feel like you know him shooting it Shawn some boy I'm done boy like you standing

next to me you can't shoot next to me I might get hit I might go that's how I'm that's how I'm

raised in so you gonna go for [ __ ] that are not willing to go for themselves I'm just saying I just went

period that's just what I that's just what I do but she's been going before

that hold up let me think go ahead let me think uh well I mean there's a spark with the Wayne

affiliation at all - I mean yes it's tough no it could be it could be all I just can't tell you exactly when it

started but you have aunt but you have this existing with someone who's documented as being a huge push fan

right but you know that's that you know that's that's that's that's what's said

but at the same time you say that and then they're like you know lines here

and there that I feel like he's really good at that like he's great at they're great at that yeah yeah so it's like you

know with everything that was going on between that the Cash Money so on and so

forth I think that and me being the only one like there's only me right like only

me mmm I'm the only one that talks I'm the only one that shoots I'm the only one but why from hey man I can't speak

for other men okay I can't tell you that but it's not fair push because what's

not fair cuz you wear you wear many hats yes so on one side you're the MC yeah on

another side you're the president right and at some point these roles have to

get intermingled like as the president if your entire squad is scared and

nervous and won't [ __ ] rap Shawn sighs whoever is over there

as the president and also in my opinion the best rapper over there why you then

take if you're gonna wear that hat then you got to always wear that hat and you don't what do you mean I don't always

wear it you don't always pop out and speak up for Enver and on behalf of the

team an entire team I mean listen it's a lot like I mean what is it

what don't I gotta speak when it's like rolling it when you have to do it you

gotta go like when I gotta go I gotta go and I go but other than that it's like shoot for

every every answer for everything every individual man got going on out here I can't do that exactly so you so you

decide the cerebral man that I believe you to be yes I'd to zero in on this one

camp that one no that one camp has been a back and forth it's been a back and

forth with that one camp who initiated it and my follow-up question to that and I'll tell you aren't you allowed to have

like to me hope is the best rapper ever I went straight at his head mom there's a few [ __ ] that I love did I go

straight at the head it don't right I love them less right it just means at some point you become competition that's

it that's it so is it personal is this competition they say it's always been

competitive with me okay it's always been competitive I mean just where I'm

from ambra for real it ain't never personal it's always rap [ __ ] cuz I

don't believe nothing I didn't been around here for too long right I don't believe nothing like yo bro you have

real wu-tang fights I ain't never had that hmm ever mm-hmm in my life never

tried me nobody and it's like so I don't I don't I look at it I look at it as

just competitive sparring what's up like I see these [ __ ] I I see

everybody I see everybody I see them in hotels I see them we be an elevator together Airport right it's not it's not

stable but you know um you know so I

don't and I've never taken it as serious as anything other than rap to be honest

with you okay like I mean I mean truly

must be there until when or this is that still today still to this day I don't

believe nothing I don't believe I don't I don't I believe they're harmless let me say that mm-hmm I believe everybody's

harmless for sure okay do you guys have a follow-up or am

i in here um I want iced up still trying to figure out how it this all started

and then we'll and what role do you think Kanye plays in all this because I feel like he plays both sides of the

fence and what you're saying is you go for the team that's amazing my thing is if you gonna go for the team

like I'm the way I was raised if we out somewhere and my man pop off and do some stupid and we got to get a shakin I get

a shaking with my man fat but when we get in private I'm gonna let my man know yo that was some [ __ ] facts so what

my my thing is with Kanye I'm feel like like he's gotten production credit on Drake records where Drake is going at

you yes sir right and credit so it's like at some point I don't know the relationship that I have but it's like do you speak I am driving on yo Finn

what's what's I do know me and homie got a load back-and-forth going on but you producing joints for him you in the

studio like what's up with that 100% I mean you know I want to I want to

talk about this if we gonna we gonna get into that then let's go ahead and get in we get into everything okay cuz cuz I'll

cut out cuz I would like to okay I would love to all right so listen like let's

let's just take it let's start with let's just start with the shot since we

here already yeah okay um you know I [ __ ] with the show shows cool show

whatever the case may be great to see LeBron be opinionated initiate and curse

cooling curse I enjoy it you know hates

it as a Laker fan but whatever what that being said what that being said

that particular episode maverick ruined the whole show for me it wasn't authentic to me the way that he would

ally you those questions a Greek were like nuts like it was nuts

Hey on top of that it was very it was very biased and you didn't even try to camouflage the biasness hmm it's okay

but I don't disagree you know I just thought it was crazy I don't see how you could even how you could chime in so

much and never mention two birds one stone the the the Cuddy's mental health issues

mentioning my wife I mean I don't see how you could breathe or say anything

not saying anything about any of those things right right okay I don't and then only speak about me wishing death when

everybody heard the song wish death for nobody not that I thought I felt that way about right I don't think you meant death but

not that I care okay let's be clear this guy's heartless yeah and very rough my place is upside

down mm-hm now would that be in the case um you know I sit back and I on and I

just I think about it and I just don't like how the narrative is changed the

narrative is is totally changed number one and not for nothing it's not true

and I'm gonna be fair like I'm gonna be fair and saying you know what it may

make sense in Drake's mind that oh yeh

toh yeh toh push about my son in my

situation I was in Wyoming blase blase blah mm-hmm right mm-hmm it's wrong didn't

happen like that never happened and the reason why I'm really sitting here is because I figured that you knew you're

like pretty good you're pretty good with this [ __ ] like what you're like guessing and [ __ ] okay you're like really good

and you even tweet it out when the CEOs blind about a glow is different I believe you did that

okay now but that being said I did tweet that that when that being said you know

that means you know if you understood the line you know I've been disgruntled internally for a minute

that ain't daddy that's because there is no help I thought yeah I thought that was such a good I will say is so

powerful it's so powerful of abarth for you to say it and exit then you never

hear it again just avoid that specific record of real quick it was it's said a

lot by saying so little right unacceptable why it's not acceptable

okay because and I'll tell you why it's for the for the exact reason that you're saying push if we weren't speaking about

such a male dominant competitive sport right now let's let's stop us all out

and put us in a nail shop and make us all women no I'm cool this one goes it's

going it's going to wear tomorrow question that he asked earlier every [ __ ] would hear it and say you're

messy you're messy like all of the intermingling of the relationships is

messy so no they are with that I'm not I don't do that hmm I don't I'm not

neutral in nothing I'm about one thing I'm about good I work at good I'm about

good period mm-hmm that's it I'm about good and I'm about my pride that's what

I'm about okay now you know I got we got

off of years oh yeah so you know let's let's let's let's let's get to the just

not being true in in in like I said in drinks mine one plus one probably equals two mmm-hmm totally not true my [ __ ]

totally not what it is not what happened not

where the information came from but you do understand how it could be perceived

that perceived that way especially yes yes and let me tell you why and yes not

only not only because of his visit his trip but because tweeted apologies

because other members and affiliates doing Rolling Stone interviews when that

one narrative is already out there people take it as the gospel drink his big artists when he feels or says

something in a certain way they'll take that dale and then without without silence cuz be mindful i haven't said a

word since I dropped it you didn't have to no listen no no no but but but like

he dropped it during my album release he dropped it during my album release my press run we cut my press run he cut my

fresh friend short cuz we felt like Yoda albums crap we got it and then I gotta come talk about this because the day

after comes to join mmm-hmm so we even cut the joint we even cut the the the talk short because couldn't nobody get

past that couldn't nobody get past that in you know Sam you're not telling me that you and your team did not plan for

that bro y'all thought y'all just gonna say put y'all [ __ ] out and that was

gonna be the end bro I've no listen work come on no never that okay okay but but

I am saying that um you know it coming it coming so fast off the heels of it

during my press run it's like oh man you know okay we added we added Perry

point-blank did y'all see that little hand gesture you just did yeah I'm sorry

period point blank that still is there [Laughter]

we add it it does that yeah that's the never it's muscle memory

all right go ahead um what was we yet

oh you ripped up the record the record yes the record comes out a grip don't

run or you stop because you want to focus on the album and not write that response you know basically that was

what we did when it when they did that [ __ ] we gripped up that was it but um you

know with with that being said again and back to the show back to the show and

and just addressing those things loose the information came from 40 didn't come

from Kanye hmm at all 40 40 40 40 is

sleeping with a woman who begins to you know you know he talks to her every he

talks to her daily five six hours a day or she must have a great person yeah brah listen listen talks to a woman five

six hours a day provides opportunity for provider provides opportunity for he's a

great guy and and you know ultimately speaks about how he's disgruntled about

certain things note of notoriety and things involving involving Dracon and

his career so on and so forth to this young lady yes with that with that also

came the fact that Drake has a child with that also came the the the the trip

that everybody took to go see the child and bring them gifts and all all of this

information she divulged this information agree personnel that's where it came from

now I never told nobody that I never said that to anybody and I never put

that out there because the way I see it was so much power in silence number one

then number two I was being spiteful being spiteful you got you know you

apologize and what do you apologize enforcer you'd not using that you didn't give me nothing hmm you didn't give me

anything in regards to you know aiding in this in

this drama hmm nothing dude II apologize to push no no

yay apologizing yeah oh yeah I'm sorry what are you apologizing about okay you

shouldn't have done that nine times ten I mean on top of that this shouldn't have been interviews

being done because of that you know I'm saying because of all of that right there now dude thinks what he thinks we

gotta wear that cuz I'm it's not coming out till it's beneficial to me only reason is coming out now only because

I'm here now is but but for real for real is because he was so passionate about the whole MS

thing and you know they did the backlight and they put the spotlight on his face and when you well-produced

that's how it came about that's how that information that narrative got to die okay I'm like I'm

like I'm listening it needs to die it's done that narrative is dying now on top

of that man it's like I'll let I let them run with all these narratives I listen even though even the jay printz

thing but I don't know jay printz hmm I don't know jay printz mm-hmm you know he

did a whole book tour on the back of on the back of like yo I squash this on and

so forth yeah my manager spoke to him most respectful guy in the world

mm-hmm nothing I mean like you know all

these false narratives are fueling just you know in covering up bro we just had

a battle bro and you came up on the short end of the stick of it that was it

that was it hmm is that

what do you mean as far as the battle you feel like you came up short yeah of course is there a world that

exists where you would say otherwise no no no no no let me tell you no not not for me got it not for me at all good you got to think

let in enemy to just tell you how like how I really feel about that bro has been I've been to me

I've been stacking up double use for a minute in regards to this like he

putting out the artwork and you giving a whole dissertation in your notes and posting that that was a w to me J Prince

coming in stepping in having to say this that's a W to me that's a W to me that's

nobody's talking for me are you buggin nobody what listen the shots thrown it

yay after the fact is a w for me why are you way over there I think we talked we

like do you mean Ingolstadt like like yo you like like like in all honesty and

this is all this is all in silence bro like nothing else is nothing else was

said about it like this is what you're doing all of this coming coming going to sit with LeBron going to sit with LeBron

and maverick four months later talking about this [ __ ] that's a W for me we don't know

when it was recorded why three months later I don't know I don't know later

you know television works oh you're right alright so listen up hmm the line not

coming out the let's talk about that cuz out it was that really like a thing when

he had an income of course okay of course it was that's the name of it okay she knew all of this she divulged

all of this information I didn't get it from him or them that's all that's all

it was this all right so let's just play a quick game okay just this this young

lady is not from the East Coast I don't know what helps you from he know he listen he won't see this you know

I'm sorry y'all can he gonna know mom

don't I tell you all the time it's always pillow talking hello smoking

kills everyone comes down to the girl pillow talking kills everybody he's gonna see this he gotta keep he's gonna

listen they're gonna look at him he gotta keep that live face on bro he's gonna have to keep he ain't he

he's not gonna admit to it proudly to them he got to keep that face on they gonna know he knows exactly who this is

he knows exactly what I'm talking about right now he's going to Hey all right

listen I couldn't listen I couldn't live with myself without telling I'm sorry I

couldn't live with myself without him knowing this in him having I need him

then he has to live with this can we pause this convo so I could just ask

everybody where they stand on pillow talking I'm speaking the bedroom at all

well you they haven't had a girlfriend in there so you have to say our personal

business [ __ ] no the world can see yeah well laughs a child we don't argue about there because that's not really what I

meant what I meant was in in war yes sir

in war yes sir the women where do y'all stand on like we would y'all fall if

that were you what do you mean if one of you if one of your enemies got some

great information from a girl that I gave her damn that sounds fair he would

happen you know what he would have to do you would have to he would 40 is gonna have to look at Drake the

way Drake looked at LeBron and say did I let you down and then Drake is gonna have to you know

say you're my brother I wouldn't did you make that man did you make that mean I

saw a man around no I'm sayin but it's gonna have to

happen like that did do you guys think about something a little funny with that part right his voice was wrong about

that come we watched it that night no you had the joke of the night though because I went I can't stop looking at

that part now wait oh when do when Drake snatched his phone so quick from the bra

I mean tricks and that's the phone I was like damn one day Drake what was in that

phone which I think that was that was really really funny yeah he snatched that phone quick by the way one I have a

quick question why do you think that woman was comfortable with divulging that info to y'all um it wasn't that she

was divulging him to push not from 40

she's the middleman here why did it come yeah I mean I mean I wouldn't think that

she would like him I don't think that she cares for him I wouldn't believe

that you know somebody got a because I feel like he got a start right I wouldn't think that I mean I'm serious

so you think there was just like this is a joint yeah okay I mean you know she

didn't know she didn't know that what she was doing I mean all fairness right she won't trying to kill nobody yeah more popped

off yeah like she wasn't she wasn't she wasn't doing that God isn't still hitman

in you me hey man it's [ __ ] had some [ __ ] in that little hit man bad that's

my point pushed when real [ __ ] could tell that you would you had to itch see how you did that little thing real quick

like real [ __ ] could tell that this is just as it pertains to this one concentrated

area by somebody who keeps saying fam I'm cool and we're from the same place

so when you in the street you know when it's when a [ __ ] it's like y'all it's cool and you just seem to keep moving

forward yeah I'm trying to look at this and fight boxing terms and you are nice guys

I don't know why you're saying this though like I feel like we you know we've crossed that you know by the time

we got to there we crossed lines we don't you know and that's just what it was I want to get back to again well

what line do you think Roman in this wait what line do you think he crossed

ah if you pull that wife line out one more time

what do you mean dad he just mentioned my wife I got a committee low whole crew it's always kill the whole crew has

never not killed the whole crew bro like what like I don't understand people like

you gotta stop those I guess what is mean like there's no then there's a governor on the bar like no no there's

no governor on the bars go you just go but that's what I was saying parks I

said and I said I wish this [ __ ] would just stop saying yo this was the line that did it no [ __ ] you just without

the white flight is that you were sorry over Donna's coming out or happiness I was listen I was going to go period

garlis I was gonna go period but the fact that the fact the fact that you put that wife line in it it's just like man

it just it just made it it just made it great like it just made it great for me personally it's a blackout and and the

fact that you thought that that line first of all I see what you lay with I

see what you create wait I see what you walk with are you getting into your cerebral barrier so I don't want you

actually saying my wife's name I don't somebody might misconstrue that with you actually knowing or something like that

I'm not with that we're not gonna play with that which is the same can is going on currently with college I

ain't got nothing to do with nobody everyone neither doing right so that alone is

enough for me like and you just you know again you got to know who you playing with he he is the biggest pop star in

the game mm-hmm that's that leads me to my next question doesn't the biggest person in the war

get to make the rules how not in rap when did the best rapper decide the

rules [ __ ] let me unretire well not rap and what rule is he making up going

too far it was in bad taste it ate the narrow do I think the person that's willing to push it that far is the

person that dictates that all right tell me one I mean don't the fans make the

narrative but I guess the pop star would have more of the fans I mean there's no rules in right how I grew up it wasn't

yeah right your rap changes all the time you got you you got to do that too like

that's that's a rule would you rank would you go straight a disc for Kanye then yes tomorrow Kanye is a producer to

me bro he like dr. Dre to me but Drake writes he writes he writes his music okay

he might have help here and there I mean get your focus

no that's a narrative that I think people took out of context because a couple of lines here and there but Drake

he writes for other people so it's like how can people say Drake doesn't write when he writes for other people he's

written for other artists he was he was writing for Kanye like I don't understand so I understand what pushes

saying like because in hip-hop once you know it comes the line it's like oh you

don't write his own [ __ ] yeah but I don't and I don't what's he writing for Kanye those melodic things that Kanye

does like I'm not I'm not talking about that we're not discussing those them

crooning we're not discussing that we're talking about bars I don't I don't know

that I listen I mean if you know it brah then you know it I don't know it but what is he writing for ya I don't know

what he's written for you y'all gotta tell me what he's written for you it was I mean I'm not saying that he hasn't I'm just saying tell me what it

was because if you're telling me that he's doing melodic singing whatever the case like R&B writers do all the time

hey bro I'm with you it happens that's the game that's what they do

hmm they write I understand so I mean

you know I'm not you know like I said if

you know different then I still feel like Kanye plays a bigger part in all of this bruh no listen go go back to my big

boy interview mmm I told y'all I told him then brothers [ __ ] about real estate soon as Drake get on that [ __ ] podium

what do you say 31st January June 1st so everything surround around my dates

that's what I said ain't no Kanye ain't no Kanye drama I mean now the bromance that they have

going back and forth way he you know over they cool and then he shoot him in a verse or some [ __ ] that's weird push broad I don't know

that's them that's them I can't be in the studio when Drake's

there I can't I'm not allowed hmm when listen listen

listen when they go to Wyoming I'm there from the 1st to the 7th all right I uh I

I catch you I'm gonna catch you to the dock next thing I hear on the 8th by Drake he Randy there for dinner out

these many days I don't know this I'm not allowed everybody else can be there I can't cuz I don't play neutral I don't

do that you don't get to shoot my homeboys and so on and so far it's not happening just not what I do and I feel

like Kanye should be taking that same stance but he don't do that like everybody not built like me brah everybody not built like me and you

can't make people be built like you you can't make people you you you can't and

I don't charge and this is the music industry this ain't these streets murder so I don't I don't carry people like

that I don't it's like it is what it is if when I was growing up if I wanted to

go to the mall if you couldn't fight you couldn't come to the mall with me we could come back home and play ball all

day you a bad guy yes if you can't you can't

fight you can't come to the mall with me cuz you're gonna run I'm gonna get jump you're gonna write and I may hate you forever I don't want to hate you forever

mmm I love you you're great tell you this guy's illogical gun

yeah no I'm no Joe I'm because everybody

else can be is dumb everybody else is stupid to me bro and that's how I really

think about [ __ ] man [ __ ] is dumb they when it come to this rap [ __ ] like I need I need pin

man I need [ __ ] who love this [ __ ] I don't care what you like bro like it's fine I like what you like

right you means nothing do not like I'm sure I've seen him mom but you know I

mean I understand what you understand with you this whole [ __ ] is about truth like this this whole like and in just

you know the narrative is the narrative was wrong the [ __ ] was just wrong she

was all wrong but but the reason is it's like the gift that keeps on giving because his egos [ __ ] up nah my his

egos [ __ ] up bro like why are we talking about this [ __ ] for months why why yeah you ain't heard me say one Oh

bro well because the shop came out right but I kind of he's who the [ __ ] he is

that don't gotta come out if he say don't put it out but wait now Kanye addressed him under the train station

Kanye to dressed him a few times in his little man and I would you say Kanye

been getting dissed all summer by him yeah but you so here's towards ya more

than you though cuz I feel like it all on scorpion don't care Oh No I can't answer that

question I don't like for me that that [ __ ] don't work like that I see red all I see is red hmm i'ma let i'ma see red

and everybody else can see what they see everybody else talking finesse to date way way through it I'm not doing that

you guys I'm not talking about it everybody this [ __ ] was deep for me this

[ __ ] was deep like this [ __ ] this [ __ ] was a real [ __ ] thing this wasn't

this wasn't like first of all as much as

you want to discount it you did say my wife's name I don't play that [ __ ] I really don't bruh I don't and it's

fine but I mean on top of that even listen even the narrative of him and his

research and all that [ __ ] bro when I tweeted out yo I tweeted out I'm hundred

grand ain't enough - mm-hmm information for information that [ __ ] was real

that [ __ ] was real that was not fake oh no I know I know I don't know if you do

know I know I don't know if you do but like how much this is so really like I know how this goes this [ __ ] is so real

that like you know people who were close and near and dear to me are aiding and

helping him do this [ __ ] and I'm like that [ __ ] is [ __ ] that it is so wack

to me man it's this woman man that this one has worked on every album of mine

every album always do back to the woman yeah no no listen she's worked on every project I've ever had every project I've

had she worked on my adidas campaigns everything you know just to give you the

story of how this [ __ ] when I'm on my way to [ __ ] Wyoming we're on our way to Wyoming listening to listen to the

gay album we in a car get a call from a old friend from LA yo

somebody just hit me up talking about a honey grand you know for information on

you so on and so forth you know in the wild part about it is

you know it's it's this woman there's this girl up there her name is cap you

know cap don't you like don't y'all rock with each other like and I'm like nah whatever hung up the phone knew damn

well it was the truth cuz shouldn't nobody know this man ever like in in

conjunction with me in 2018 2001 and - yes not now

mm-hmm boom get over there get to Wyoming right get to [ __ ] Wyoming

listen have the listen in whatever the case may be get back to my room check my DMS home no my homeboy from Virginia yo

you need to call me in the morning he's not even my homeboy we had a matter of fact give me the real story me and him

had an issue rap crew Virginia rap crew versus us whatever the case may be we had an issue you know speak to him in

next morning he's like yo they offering a honey grant for information on you blah blah see blah I'm gonna put you on

the phone my man cuz he was actually on the phone with him yo is this lady named Kappa such such you know someone so I

was like whoa like bro Dave really they go above and beyond which is why 100% let me just I do

believe him when he says he went and made a diss track that was full of some [ __ ] and he didn't he doesn't say that

he doesn't say that as if it's directed toward you again it sounds like it

sounds like he went and found some [ __ ] out about well he should he should

apologize to one of the one of us and not me he's wrong for one well it's

wrong for one one he's wrong for the second one it will wear it all this guy

wear it what's up mmm the other one he wrong for that one he dead [ __ ] wrong

and that's what's crazy when you say this guy a weird-ass meaning yourself

does that fall on push the man or does

that fall on under your president respond oh no no president responsibility that's not I don't have

nothing to do with that is that has to do with the back and forth like I like what I don't like best

part of the narrative I don't like either I don't like these threatening you know oh I made this record that was

gonna injure no you [ __ ] didn't you believe that I don't believe that no I

said I believe he had recorded a record not that it was career-ending I do believe he recorded something I mean

what do you know what up putting it like that is better we would record something

reporter we record references we ideas down say that but all of that extra

because you wouldn't spare me for what I for what I've done you wouldn't spare me who sparing me for

what but I always felt like when that narrative came out that it was bogus that it was like oh you know what's

gonna go to fall careers can be ended I never believed that this is rap both of y'all solidified and y'all and y'all

crammed and nobody's career was gonna be anybody always felt that that was [ __ ] listen I don't think nobody's career was gonna end over this bro he

spoke about like you know what it is just like men imagine now my mind said

I'm looking at the shaman like damn man what if my mom is watching the shop right now right she may think that I like I'm in danger

mmm but some [ __ ] like now she knows her son but she also older he could have

felt that little one spicy line come on dead I'm one minute let's not even I'm

not that's not but when I heard there's like that didn't need to be there that says you're some angry he's there

because we don't wish we don't like but

but but I'm but I'm saying like I'm just looking at it and I'm watching I'm like man somebody may think that I'm in

danger somebody may think that oh you know there is some crazy he did this

crazy research in which he did and let me tell you even about that that that that research didn't didn't come back

with nothing as a matter of fact they taped the conversations and gave them to

me let me just slam what win if you want

when all this stuff was happening cuz I got all this like I don't like that joke

so I I can't like I don't I just don't want me just act like they got one up on me or like or their money or their

popularity runs me like no bro like this ain't about that this [ __ ] is some rap

sheet yeah like it's some rap [ __ ] like this ain't popularity say money say nothing like it's it's what it is do you

feel like guys who don't write 100 percent of their rhymes can participate

in these types of events like when its global thousand 2018 they can do whatever they want nobody cares nobody

cares sometimes you got to change the silhouette who said they didn't like they told me cuz it was seven songs who

had the issue probably me yeah you definitely had it was it was a good it

was a good album but I wanted I felt like it could have been more I feel you but like what I was about to say was you

wanted more than seven I did I did I did but well in that case yes I'd have a problem with it being seven because I

know the artist wants to give me more music and then the producer is saying no cuz I had this big scheme with all my other artists facts that's where I would

be upset right get him or what no no no listen hey listen he's very right and I've said it numerous times that I

wanted more than seven times hmm sometimes you do have to change the silhouette dobra like I feel like for

what it is that we do Joe in 2018 as far as bar fests rap fest chop [ __ ] the [ __ ]

up [ __ ] [ __ ] is getting barred up we're competing I'm trying to shed that image

like with that with that with that in mind you know and what we're competing

against in 2018 you know the the the [ __ ] the everybody's a DD songs are a

minute and 59 seconds of repetition and we coming in bard to [ __ ] up three

verses that are like bro rest in peace of three verses I shouldn't happen no more was last time

you heard a third verse structure it's a

lot of dough preggers like Travis like when they go into a whole different beat in the record I like [ __ ] like you know

and and I had to be open to that you I feel like you know changing the silhouette changing the silhouette of

changing the silhouette in regard to my album seven songs 20-some minutes you

know to compete and in competing with everything else is going out there 25 songs of repetition yo I mean we we have

to do something like it has to be some level of you know how am I trying to say

this sort of to to try to a middle repeat yeah middle ground with you know I'm saying with competing with what's

going on it's not to use the word relevant but stay with the times right right and doing what you do yeah

like doing what it is that I do because that's one thing I dislike for the gentleman that he's referring to is

seemingly shrinking the middle class the middle classes this ain't even in middle Clair the people that is into bars as an

executive of a label dealing with wanting to do bars yourself musically in

liking music bars yeah bars but having too good [ __ ] that's gonna sell in no I

think I mean I listening up for me it doesn't matter I'm a Daytona true like

the games we play I play that every day every nine times a day that's what I

just want to hear that [ __ ] out you know I want to hear that [ __ ] right like hope you're streaming it on spot it doesn't it doesn't it doesn't

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it yep well who was saying what who had who had a question no I was just saying

that I wasn't a fan of the 7 song [ __ ] I mean I kind of want to talk about May

and June 2018 period ok 1 because obviously you were

the first one that set the standard right and to me everything felt super

rushed afterwards and you're the president right so all those matter to

you right do you feel as mismanaged um I feel like when you say rushed you're

right you're very correct with that super rushed now when it comes to when it comes to

Daytona Daytona wasn't rushed wasn't as

rushed and I I don't put a lot of my faith in anybody over there in regard to

my project like I sit in on everything like for example versus be

wrong positioning everything be wrong if I leave timing its so timing everything

and and and you know it's um that's

something that I'm gonna be there for right not everybody is there for that not everybody does that every a lot of

people will you know you know a lot of

people you know think that they can just leave it they you know they can just leave it in the hands of yeh and

everybody else and I feel like you know Tiana had a big had a big issue you know

I'm saying and um I had a big issue with her I was with her we'll get into that

we should I mean before the time and stuff do you think the example there

would be NASA's album said to me again I wasn't there go ahead felt like he sent

a bunch of acapellas he didn't in yeah just put some beats behind it he was like an album to me he would he

was there bro that's the thing we was we was recording same time we were recording same time I was it being in

Wyoming um and recording there right like inspiration like it's a rapper like I'm

not like you know I'm not really into the like inspiration you could reprimand regard to just being

in the middle of nowhere and you have nothing else to do but rap

and it like y'all become the best of friends everybody's great like it's you

know it's like what you eat it a a barbecue spit a barbecue pit like up the

street in the ste yeah like it um like

where's the closest Rolla [ __ ] looking for Virginia so food and wine why

none of that none of that you know none of that but um yeah you know Wyoming is um we ought we've always done this is

Hawaii don't twist it it's always in conclusion always so seems like all of

you are uh seems like all of the good music acts are pretty distant nowadays

we've lost each other all that little fake camaraderie we got at the cypher in

2011 whenever that was I don't remember it well I think I like the suits I think the focus I think the focus was more

music than I feel like I feel like the focus was more music and with yeah being

at the helm of it being about music where like gays everyone can it be about

music still if he's elsewhere um the cruel summer happened more nineteen more

yeah if he if he's if listen if he's dialed in yeah why does everything live

and die with him when it comes so what when it when it when it comes when it comes to his label when it comes to it

being his label and when it comes to him producing like he wants to like this

whole this whole five album thing wasn't a five album thing it didn't start like that

it was like yo push I want to work on I want to do you out well I I did I did an album I did an album he basically a nard

the album that's how that's how usually goes I go collect beats I put down verses I go back to him he'd be like oh

I [ __ ] with that I'll [ __ ] with that and I I came back I'm not listening I think I got my album I need a couple more

whatever whatever whatever he listened to it we rocked out for a whole day drove around cool next day he calls me

he says yo I think I can do your album better like just me personally like I don't want to use such-and-such a boss

or whoever I mean when you let's go

you know then let's go do it I was of course I was like [ __ ] man like I'm

ready come on now like but at the same time it's like analyze [ __ ] was going on with him - he

was like man you know one disorder look at this [ __ ] sort of like therapy and in him getting back into the music should I

was like that's this this is where this is where me and you click at yo me and a

pushing have so many different similarities this is [ __ ] banana listen man reason bro

so you know with that would that be in the case as we found my album we didn't

even find my album we you know we're out there he got six thousand records like

six thousand records he going through samples after sample after sample I'm there shit's expensive as [ __ ] it's [ __ ]

I ain't getting it's not mine he's like he pushes Royce he finds Tiana's it yeah

that's my man yeah and that's that's what that's where my beef is yes that's

where the other good music acts that's where their beef is to push his voice

and what I mean by that is voices next to em voice can probably have some

conversations with em that other people can't right so when I'm listening to

push talk and I know I know Kanye as well document as being a huge push fan

but as a before push ever got there but listening to push it sounds like hem and

yeas relationship isn't it just in a different space than some of the other acts and for me is that as an act I mean

well I've been through it I would feel away about it as art is how can you not

I felt the way about it when I've watched you do that little interview to workout talk about Tiana when you was like she might have demo Attis I was

like the [ __ ] nerve or push what do you say there you know she does what's wrong with that we all have demo itis it's a very common

thing you don't have demo itis he does you got to yeah it's a little different

though it's a little different my demo itís free shady Interscope the

record would end up sounding pretty close to the demo because you're creating it to sound like however you

want to create it you're not creating it to hand it to someone right right and you're also but you also got a

sit-in when you hand - you can't hand and turn away I don't use everybody you

gotta like you gotta be a that's what

I'm asking you Bush yeah you're the only person afforded that luxury because you

can be there if you want to take that type of time with your believe you

listen he works off energy he works off energy he works off energy anyway that's all listen if there is no energy you

ain't get nothing anyway he only works off energy all of this would affect me

if I'm the artist sign listen man that's just how it is just how it goes and I ain't even gonna hold you like look the

the the biggest the biggest thing with me working with him is beating him like

as soon as he gives me a beat I'm on top of that [ __ ] just so I can get it done

at least get he needs to hear something mmm it ain't even it listen it ain't

going nowhere just offer him it's all for you in him right it's not going anywhere and trust me I'm from I'm

from the Neptune School of Pharrell is such a you I mean you know put your

verses in okay ass like that's it

Haymitch egg put your verses that's your

process and y'all look great at that do you think Tiana's process was catered to

what point is it your job to [ __ ] cater to the I feel like I feel like

what I was what I was gonna say before I mean in getting getting into that we

were we weren't even going that we were going out there for my album we get to you know getting into that I'm out there

for a long time we found Tiana's album first listen she it won't know she'd

have one we just in creation and in finding in finding records you know

going through samples before we know it it was five records and he was like y'all disty on a whole album call her

tell her we got it boom let's find some people to do whatever boom boom knock it out I'll get it done where did her

marketing budget go I mean I don't know

I where did it go I mean no I just as

another act on the label right questions I would have when I listened to your album I can that energy that you speak

of right hear it right yeah and on your last album like yeah that's present on

push albums you right that energy that you speak of with some other people I

would have a whole [ __ ] questions just about my situation I would order

two [ __ ] I mean you can't send me to Wyoming flying these [ __ ] nest fly yes jewels

out and think that I'm about to do some numbers as an artist that means to build their base and as a Tiana fan I was home

waiting I've been waiting four years I was disappointed I was really I was

extremely no we we like it but I stir

Rory's point here's the day for you know the album that the artist was gonna deliver and I know Tiana okay and I knew

that I ain't gonna keep this in for too long we were here we gonna hear something about what because she was

doing that she was doing the uh she was from own records via instant Live and

[ __ ] like that right pushed when I tell you them [ __ ] sounded [ __ ] mm-hmm so you calling it demo itis that's where

I had to take offense that [ __ ] sounded ridiculous the version that came and

I think the consensus would be man man some of them since we was hearing all

right to know I do know that Tiana had a couple sample issues if I'm not mistaken

I could tell she had yes she had a few sample and listen that's something else that comes along with the game with

working with him yeah you know I'm saying like I think gonna love me as her

cranes in the sky Oh - not if it's not two minutes long that's her cranes in the sky I'm gonna love me is incredible

it's a beautiful song right why is Big Sean ducking all the smoke I gotta ask you all the questions that you good

music [ __ ] duck what do you mean why see duh I don't even know what Shan Shan said Candyman name he said I made a my

own show on the say Candyman head [ __ ]

I would you know I think we need a new show now man a new janae out man these

[ __ ] out pillow talking somewhere no I think what are you [ __ ] have to answer for some of this the home at what do you

mean like I feel like I feel like Sean listen you know who I said Candyman wait what are you talking he's staying away

cuz everything that's going on with Kanye my place where you need is over there to be so cuz y'all up y'all got

bar [ __ ] over there Sean is a bar [ __ ] for sure sighs a bar near shore like weed all aboard [ __ ]

tactic for me listen man morale talk to

me about sigh don't talk to me about it

okay come on what are you talking about he can write this on exhale

unacceptable in wet everything I'm down just all over the place I'm listening good he's talking about how eccentric

has been daring him to say his name and you know possibly throwing some little subs here and they've so back and forth

knock it off no interviews he sub K you [ __ ] to beat shows these bars and I do

believe that Big Sean and I are both great with the bars right why [ __ ] be scared in the smoke get out the street I

don't know man I mean listen I'm first of all I'm not gonna say either one of them is scared of the smoke I'm not

gonna say that I'm gonna just say that I don't know what they're I don't know

what they're uh what their buttons are I

don't know like I can't I can't tell you this I do you know I know I do know this

you I didn't even know the issue you know how like you yeah that is those

right blade anybody I think she honor would get booked before anybody else over there outside of this gentleman ah

be cool I already sued er she's cool

because all of y'all were signed at different times right so contracts

differ and I'm probably in a space where I'm pretty unfamiliar with what's going on currently with major labels do

different contracts have different song minimums I mean song requirements usually they're

pretty standard and when you say song requirements you mean as in for the on the album yeah back in the day listen

you were only paid for 10 songs we don't give a [ __ ] what you do right for that I don't know what that never is now know

that probably still that probably still is the case but with all of the other

that number has to be different all the streaming streaming the family streaming

in I feel like they're a bit lenient I want I could I could ask I could ask my

manager they would also be actually Steven maybe that's the question and I should have I should have for you

because I just genuinely want to know the answer do different artists have different

it's called controlled composition clause

but no no no he's done my songs we know contracts are different no I know and exactly what the [ __ ] that smart [ __ ]

just say yes the devil is always in the

details exactly what you said okay I'm leaving that now listen you know I had

the corny question before right when I was thinking of what what did I ask and push about this [ __ ] push injury [ __ ]

because I'm I'm over it I don't know why Drake was on it I said damn I could ask

that corny question of lives is there an avenue for reconciliation but the further I thought about it I

only the selfish fan of me I only want reconciliation when there's a duet that I want to hear like I want to Drake and

meek to make amends because I want to hear Drake and meek songs I have no desire to hear a drink

and push a record I'll be honest with you facts so if you [ __ ] never pieced it up I'm cool that's fine I just don't

really understand but I mean I guess I don't have to listen yeah [ __ ] would you

want to hear Drake and push it right here only only because I would I didn't think

that I would want to hear before I heard it I wouldn't jump out to hear Drake and Ross record I wouldn't jump it and they

have great records together lord knows is probably one of my favorite records ever so I don't know if

Drake and puss can make a record like that but I would want to hear hear Drake ruling on some of that [ __ ] hard I

want it yeah I was thinking Aston Martin neither Scruton or Lord knows so I know

he was he was feeling out of a young lady's person lord knows

from our school who knew Bush did such a great mason personation it was why can

you do such a great Mason person I wanted it to be a single I really did

like you know I feel like I don't make singles I don't I don't make [ __ ] like

that really and I felt like that was one time where like it was some it was some

quirky [ __ ] but it was some it was cool enough I felt cool doing it I didn't care it was made me pay homage at the

same time I thought it came out dope and people in [ __ ] where that [ __ ] pisses me off I think most people myself enough

credit man I don't think you give yourself enough credit what do you mean Fox is crazy it's probably why you say that listen as the

guy that's been tagged as the one-hit wonder please has made big records bunch of

huge records and a really big ones a few bar [ __ ] that can get on stage and do

a set with them [ __ ] mainstream rats no cuz you did made in America I came on this podcast and I say yo I forgot that

push could really do a whole set of hit records and when that's and when I take

it further I think no I think I do good

records I'm saying that they're not like when you say singles singles you know that's charting that's that's making you

don't play the game well I'm you don't play that game he doesn't seek out to play the game if it works it works yeah

if it work it works okay that's a fact but you know what's funny the minute but

I want to sing the minimalistic we all do push I do and I Roush it I mean I want people to know that like I do what

[ __ ] like that but you're not gonna for time oh no no no I can't yet like listen mister me too didn't feel like

force it felt like a a clip single yeah where's a hit mister me too or grinding

things the things of an unorthodox nature that actually work that's what I mean can you I would like to can you

tell me why I wanna I want to attack this cuz this is a common theme I'm saying now can you tell me why rap

[ __ ] even get involved in a game knowing what it's driven by when we're

not willing to participate really man

I mean cuz they see the perks they see the perks and they think that and and every rap every rap [ __ ] think he that

good that it's gonna just you know he's gonna jump over the moon knowing what

you know now would you have gotten into music for sure for sure music affords me this afforded me so

much [ __ ] and it's taking care of so many [ __ ] people that I'm around hell yeah that that that alone is enough for

you do you have children no do you want children yes um near future well you may

or someone you haven't yeah if your child I asked you this right because recently and I don't know how this has

been coming up with me but you know my kid is into music okay um for me that's

the same as my kid coming to me saying he's in the football you hate like I'd

hate it and I have that that that conflict inside of me that says are you

allowed to feel like that like music has afforded you so much I know how could

you feel like that because you know because you know the lowest lows of it if you was in your kid right now you

would tell you my [ __ ] suck my dick if somebody came and it's wack because if

you were a doctor and your kid wanted to be a doctor you'd be like I'll go ahead something else that was you know

anything else successful like you know anything I'm successful you'd be like go

do it go do it go do it how you know I feel you though I wouldn't tell my kid

go be in music iid like I would definitely support them

reluctantly and I would go in my room and like beat on the bed or some [ __ ] be

pissed I would but I wouldn't do it in front of them cuz I know what that's like - I mean I grew up at a time where

music you mean you're doing me get the [ __ ] right like that attitude was

ringing off in my own mm-hmm period like I wouldn't do that but yeah

man I'm not I'm yeah I can't say it they

would have to show me a certain amount of Drive a certain amount of just dedication they would have to show me so

much I will be cool my kid was like wanted to be a musician like if they

told me they just writing raps I'll be like but if they want to pick up an instrument we're wack for that we are

Wow yeah we're wack if your kid is just coming to you with lyrics it's like and

if they trash it's like I mean you know but if he picking up a guitar just like

exactly you can have a long career doing trash trash but if you look at the

percentages your doctor point the amount of people that go into med school and become doctors is way higher than the

people that make a mixtape and become successful a rap there's not a high percentage of success rates with rappers

I feel you man but we listen we made it you can't shoot people that's a fact you can't shoot nobody you know I'm just

thinking I'm a father's perspective non worried about something I'm not gonna

tell my kid to play football I'm not with that I can't do that I can't I would like I don't want I feel like the

damage is like that's some [ __ ] we gonna find out we're finding that out about it now yeah I feel like yeah you know some

[ __ ] going on Vail itself real soon do you use ear Ponce yes yo you know I just found out those

are hundred fifty dollars and I thought they came with the new phone they don't I ask I ask you that because in regards

to football you say there's damage that we won't know is being done until much later on right

man don't tell vom was getting a haircut don't do this I was getting a hair cut and the barber turned on the little tiny

electric shaver thing that's Wireless and at the same time I wanted to microwave my coffee so I got up I put my

coffee in the microwave he put the [ __ ] on I was also playing music on the Bluetooth and when soon is

the microwave cut on everything stopped and I was amazed by it that's like I

kept doing it and I kept getting the same exact result and the barber was saying and this was Jose shouted Jose

Navarro was saying yeah there's Studies on all of these different waves and

exactly what they do he said which is why I'm surprised so many people are

wearing the ear pods because we have studies that show that certain waves do

cause cancer and do cause other you know if they cause some [ __ ] and here we are

with our human stupid asses putting this technology in our ears and we won't know

the effects that it's going to have until much much much later on yet we willingly do it as a people I mean

Bluetooth myself for a while that's

interesting coming from the two [ __ ] that smoke cigarettes more I'm gonna die we all I'm gonna die first you know red

meat will kill you yeah my friends don't even see all the subtle changes I make

to prepare for the afterlife and right in front of their eyes I'm serious when I say you're not invited you're not

invited to my funeral mall sorry okay now let's hate to get more of it Oh

should I plan on standing no not yet back to push push so and this is abroad

this is a fairly simple question but I'd like to know the answer how did you even end up with this title at president of

good music I oh I was like this [ __ ] rappin ass [ __ ] can't have a title nah

listen it was simple as simple as just you know a lot about a lot of our

and sessions I mean a lot of our sessions start with conversations it

always starts with what's hot who's hot you know that's what our whole [ __ ] is

about okay bring that in and then you know let him hear that you know and then

he starts competing with these things [Music] that's just what we do like that's just

what it is and I and I feel like my rapport with everybody a good on top of

my opinion there's always like you know I I'm not anti but I always play devil's

advocate I feel like you know he felt that um I would bring a sense you know a

bit more order to the situation okay okay okay and respect like you know we

got to meet you like I'm cool I'm actually cool with all of them like everybody had good is there any truth to

and we broke this down a lot here I'm back to the Drake [ __ ] I hate to be the

messy guy but I am is there any truth to the entire June good music rollout plan

being based around Drake's rollout plan well that would have to that's a that's

a real yay issue I didn't know that like I wasn't in I wasn't even privy oh yeah

because you're not there I'm not that present so I didn't I didn't know when he was dropping I didn't know none of that I got a call saying you know you

didn't know when Drake was dropping no yeah I didn't know he said it though he said June 2018 he never said well before that you

always said June he said June I didn't know when he was dropping but I didn't know I didn't I also didn't know they

say was gonna be like yo you know put these around that's a definite yeah thing and that's why I said this issue

was about real estate but if that happened that way yes let's act like you

did it means nothing you don't own [ __ ] the valid man valid [ __ ] can't

[ __ ] own once out here [ __ ] that means like yo

[Music] like that was done that was totally done that was so dumb to me listen where's my

oh yeah but what about owning a month go war boys but but he did say he was coming in June but yeah I figures no I'm

not saying no but i'ma tell you why he hit the filler wait oh because if he

says he's coming in June and he's in who do me was ruining with Kanye come on and

then he leaves and all of a sudden every artist listen to me both ways they both

be fake be fake friends with each other all day in my opinion in my eyes that's

how I look at it like when he shot when he said 40 called me say yo Dawg it's

funny over here happens when you play

they play see I see what you're saying pause on that I'm standing I get it

that's one of those powerful lies did he try to get April off deal but that's what I'm saying like they really do like

that's not but Drake kind of he kind of implied that and that's where you're

right push fans are really really stupid because when Drake said he got the phone call from his right-hand man that said

hey it's funny over here he's well the very next sentence said I went anyway I

showed him a picture of my kid I told him all this [ __ ] I had a conversation with I confided in him told him to

trouble and I was having with the mom you just don't do that that's their man told you that it was funny already - at

one point do all of the rappers take some accountability only it's all y'all

bro I mean not listen let's fight about

that cuz I want okay I want a cape for Drake and go ahead fam he owns the month no no no

do you believe in do you believe in uh do you believe in a good question do you

believe there's a such thing as gentlemen's etiquette for sure when yeah

when people when people are genuine friends of course there is you so you don't believe that I don't believe

outside of it no what do you mean oh no no no no no no no yes outside of that of course may

echoed yeah yes was just saying he pushes saying he doesn't believe Drake and Kanye are as cool and as close as

they would like for people to think mall timeout that's what she has stated on this podcast multiple times that there is

some weird bromance energy that exists between these two gentlemen Drake and

Kanye that is unexplained what romance I'm being sarcastic or and that's just

the way that you say that but it does exist whatever exists between them - yeah does exist

I guess what Drake is saying and I just hurt people hurt people so I'm looking at the shop and I'm seeing Drake be hurt

and I watched Kanye under the train tracks so I know that there's some hurt their most beef is embroiled and hurt

yeah so we still don't know the original hurt so because he's the killer

it's like meet John and find compassion and a killer that's my favorite part like I'm all for that but something does

exist between them - that's a fact well obviously so if he confides in the

man and I do believe that's a mistake on Rick's part i'm you should not confide in the person that has this weird

synergy with you and this is you every chance he gets for sure I said that in his pocket but he did so no he doesn't

own the mall for John push right but he did confide in a friend or not a friend

he confide in someone he was working with under maybe false pretenses he was dropping at a certain time right

he got some information from Kanye to make him believe Kanye wasn't coming no time soon because there's an artist you

know a [ __ ] wouldn't go up and work on your album if you're coming when I'm coming you want Bush yeah I don't know

what they'll do I'm being honest Joe like I'm not even

listen you got people people to dissing me on B's they produced but like bro I

don't know how this [ __ ] works with them I'm talking or you know is he does not

own the month of G don't you can't stand

with just [ __ ] release oh he had to

go change months of planning why why because Kanye's a megastar too so now

the other megastar that I've been secretly competing with my entire career

competing with anybody you shouldn't be divulging information you shouldn't be playing nice when you're really not nice

stop playing I feel like you and Drake will be great friends like if they could

just get past this stuff listen where

you are really you wouldn't have ordered yeah I listen I really enjoyed you was replying the [ __ ] truth that's it

yeah but the truth hurts that's right let's get back on the truth because

truth does hurt what's in here would exclude this exclusive in my computer circles right

now a lot of truths in the computer but let me just say man and and we were saying this when we weren't recording

but pushes inspirational to me on a few different fronts right like I say all

the time how I got a watch rappers that are 40 and up to see how they're doing 40 and up because it's somebody

approaching 40 and up I want to know how I should be doing this thing here and hip-hop ain't been alive but for so long

so you want to kind of model yourself after people so push being the president of good music boy did I always hate that

a little bit because I burnt all my relationships throughout my career you could be the breath damn [ __ ]

nobody likes me the way you throw me a bone Atlantic way don't even know GZ

what people to know I don't think is anymore but at one point he didn't announce when he stopped they kept that one quiet

so yeah so you inspire me there on one front and on the other side I watched all the [ __ ] that have beast with

Drake and as being someone that is beef with Drake as much as I disagree with

your approach I must applaud it got the job done man I

mean the only way you can hear poetry you can't hit drink drink you gotta go

that quiet that's the way oh you lucky

that's what I keep saying aside that's why I sound [ __ ] that is exactly why I sound [ __ ] because it's only but so

many oh you lucky as you can get um so

so let's just I'll speak to my experience and my experience push move

back so I can gaze at this [ __ ] Rory in my experience like I spoke to earlier my

method of beefing with Drake failed and I think it failed because much like you

I was ready you just ready for [ __ ]

didn't you shouldn't be ready for so I did this yeah let's go the Navarrete of

was able to change that way no struck first narrative is on Joe

right with you though you're much smarter than me so when you speak about

some of the things that it that are being done in war that are hidden from

fans just tell me how how much of a

deciding factor do you do you found how important do you feel it is for fans to know some of the bond

and it seems things that happen in war in our industry because is that way the Warriors decided I mean on the scenes by

the ability well it's you know I feel like behind the scenes is what can make

or break you yeah yeah behind the scenes is what can make or break you and then what happens within that is what's

presented to the public behind the scenes in this situation like like I was

saying earlier I had tweeted out yo there's a $100,000 can't can't can't dig

up skeletons that don't exist that was a real thing like you know being on my way

to Wyoming on my way to Wyoming to listen to the yay album we get a call and basically a old friend of mine said

listen somebody reached out to me they got a hundred grand for information on you I knew it was true simply because

the person they should have never they should have never known this person yeah like this is from 2001 to you know

different shaman your life totally yeah that's a good way to put the wrong time

in your life and at the same time like it was it was it was it was a shocker because the person who was mediating was

his lady it was a girl named cap this person who was mediating this honey grin

was somebody who worked on all of my projects like she worked on all of my projects worked on adidas campaigns I

was at her baby shower mmm why you would

ever do that to me and and and you know it it's real deep it's real deep with wit with me and her just in regard to

like you know isn't he some money thing that makes somebody do that is it oh think so I don't think so I think its

heat I think it's like I think it's I think is one to be next to heat um you

know she is an industry person she is industry so that you know and and and and and that's what it is

and it threw me for a minute like I literally I actually called her husband I was like listen this is what I heard I

hate that I'm hearing this right now but if it is true you understand that I'm not playing with anybody and I meant it

and that was a very gentlemanlike way to Emily yeah of course and and and and I told him I said listen

um you know I said don't you don't even have to tell her call me back because but but the more I talked the more I

talked to him the more I heard in his tone that it could have been some truth

somewhere he was giving it he was giving me that energy wouldn't flat out tonight it wasn't flat out the nine it was you

know excruciating ly like oh I just can't be let me just get to the bottom but I just felt because that's this is

something that should never have been said or done with that being said I get

on a plane I go to Wyoming when I get to Wyoming after the after the listening

party my DMS hit my man Sean he um he's

in my damn she's like yo we need to talk tomorrow make sure you hit me now me and

Sean we're not even friends like you know we were friends earlier and in life falling out behind some rap [ __ ] I

called him the next day like yo what's up he's like listen he goes is out here

offering a hundred grand for you and in regard to um you know in regard to this

whole beef and I'd have been insulted you can offer more than that you know

I'm a hey man you know by this time I was I was by this time I felt good though because I'm like you're offering

what you don't have your offer you you know you're offering because you don't have so now I feel like I'm holding the

Aces I'm holding everything and um and talking to him he puts his man on phone

who another guy who I wasn't cool with his name is Fetty and they was just like

yo for real on some VA [ __ ] like man there's no way we gonna even participate

in something like this against you and be that it's this girl on the phone keep talking like she your sister but she

steady trying to get info to kill you somehow I have want to cut you off go

ahead somehow I have some of these clips and I'd like to play them I don't want them to jeopardize the relationship between

ovo mall and Aubrey Texas that's gonna

be a no vo still I'm good yes I'm retired I don't need the Drake feature

no I'm good well Rory likes realized it's okay with you it's fine Joe you think oh I think

I'll be okay y'all [ __ ] this is

interesting because we just as fans don't get to hear [ __ ] like this imma shut up this I look just how deep it

gets though it's like this is what nobody knows this is what like you're really combat and we all talk about

rules and you talk about going too far this is something you would this is

something you'd never hear about something you'd never hear about gree wait I see what pushes doing here cuz

push like the drawer focus two things that we should focus on but not pinpoint that we should focus on them so I see

what's happening here yeah is this kind of your way of saying look what Rosie

referring to what rules how how could there possibly be rules if you have six

speakers for dirty intel on me right see and that's always a different game

that's why I [ __ ] with POC wouldn't when I didn't know [ __ ] about [ __ ] and Parks it to start a war you gotta get

your money right right as a sixteen year old uh like is that true so anybody shut

up because we don't have the greatest sound quality here but we're gonna make

this work so you can understand what what goes on here aubrey mall has nothing to do with this

I don't care I'm still just stuck on

what was being said song that came now now be clear like like I said that's

that's that's a woman who I met your baby shower with my wife I'm inviting

you to my wedding and you would even

attempt to dig up dirt to I mean to the

tune of and what was what was what was good dirt to you was me having like a secret baby and this is who I call my

sister like wholeheartedly well you know as [ __ ] we call people our sister

sometime it ain't really our sister well I think it speaks nah but it ain't that they ain't even that the mores how

people grew up cuz the dudes that was hittin you you said you're probably not even that that fly was no 100% and

that's real [ __ ] [ __ ] it was just raised to certain this way so hit you or let me add the round of

applause for these [ __ ] man what I'm

trying to mull so why don't you talk so I can get down that way more y'all just

you know I'm trying to learn how to work this computer man all right here we go a

lot of bad for eternal torment I got his deejay

a kabocha Club personally but I got his DJ man and then all his toys with him and the whole nine and he got so much

[ __ ] to say to you man yeah but it's like but a sensitive in

Israel and its you know the meanest one unfiltered it's always like we all in

the counter mate probably be some issues behind it but that ain't it that ain't no big deal but what listen you know and

again this is uh this is who actually gave me the tapes this this who actually

gave me the tapes like you know he he

was he was offended like not not to say too much about the guise of but they

they they get to a bag they really get to it he was sort of offended how they

were coming to him on some yo you know will fly you up like like like they were

like that was impressive that works on the girls right we lost in the pits in

the PJ and and they were talking this oh we gonna send the PJ talking you know we

got the money blah blah yeah I stopped

yo the PG a game is over my [ __ ] you [ __ ] don't own the PJs y'all are

[ __ ] rinsing the [ __ ] PJ's or doing deals with the companies that own it I don't want to hear none of this pajama

private jets they're actually their actual words were like we don't know what the [ __ ] just smarter is right

that's what they said to me yeah cuz that's all that's all it is people that's what that's exactly what they

said to me they was like oh he was he was like talking to us like you know and they hated their accents pusher I'm just

being honest don't be honest I'm just telling me now that I'm trying to

I ain't gonna laugh you knees [ __ ]

wanted it honey looking for man let me

tell you who cuz who you're listening to that is my former DJ the clips former DJ

hmm and and and we don't rock with each other we don't rock with each other but of

course you know that didn't well that is the person you want to call right for

the [ __ ] right but when it's but when there's no dirt it don't matter

it ain't no dirt I told people that from the door though I said listen there's

absolutely nothing about me that I can't wear out here nothing nothing

woman wife whatever nothing we don't wear everything what I love

what I will say and I'll say this with my MC hat on and I don't want to wear anymore it's not very many MCS that can

say that and again right I don't say that cuz you're sitting here we live a very public lifestyle yes we do

so our dirt is normally done in public as well so I understand where they're

coming from trying to get the dirt yeah and I mean I I won't judge them for it

cuz I guess you supposed to try to get the dirt no no I'm not judging them either I'm just saying when it comes to rules

and playing and can't be ruled you can't be this is this this how far we going decide this how far we going and where

and where where uh you know we're using people who are you know close like

totally close to me like fully like work for me work for me they don't work she

don't work for them she don't get no money with them would you think this as

a response she don't get no money with him too far in his opinion she needed Christmas gifts she don't get no money

with them out of here are even or no wanna laugh

you ask her she needed Christmas gifts wait what's wrong with me Vickers

there's nothing wrong with it but I'm just sayin you ain't get no money with them if you need it you got you let's

stop that real quick as you heard him I did there's no gunplay after this that's

what he said I need enough money to move my family because after this it ain't

nothin but gunplay after this I'm not I'm not over your witness protection no

no no I was what I'm saying is what I'm

saying is I'm not I'm not I'm not I'm not gonna condone that that was that

what that is what he stands about what would what was gonna come if you know

after he divulged whatever whatever I'm not I'm not condoning that okay even it

out be clear that's how he felt so when

you when you speak of when you hear people speak of information and in their

researching and and and just the fact that these people aren't my friends and

I have these tapes bro let that tell you something that that's how you something about you know the the other super wild

narrative that I'm not gonna speak about about all of all the physical all the physicals and stuff like I'm not gonna

get into it but B go here just be clear

here that's your two more I don't listen

my my eyes do military clarity Mildred airports Mildred your son is always safe

military don't know thanks it's funny you say that Bush because yeah my mom

now reads the internet Oh and every other week I say to my mom mom

every week I tell you not to listen to in it these [ __ ] is fun are you never

listening to you ever she sees everything that's why this is what

bothers me I mean when you say things wait day of course she may believe she

may believe that you're coming from somebody that holds his own mother's

opinion in such a high regard I mean when you really started to look at some of the details of this be if I do understand there's a lot of psychology

in this beef fax it is it is unfortunately I don't know if the listening and viewing public hears about

any of it they only ever care about the bloodshed right yeah yeah yeah which is

why you know what push I'll be honest and I'm an ending this interview for 40 minutes but I wasn't great this is a

great interview every time we land home

unease conversation I don't get it I'm like wow this is craziness but it's somebody that understands it

I'm trying to remember how everybody felt here I understood to him with the je print [ __ ] like I understood that

call of Jefferson said that it's I'm getting it it was you it was it you

there was mad at that somebody here was mad at that well I probably felt the way only because I felt like it was his rat

like I'm just on my way I was raised on hip-hop if you got an issue with somebody that's taking on a records I

mean cool sometimes she can go a little crazy but I never felt like this in this situation I didn't feel like it was

gonna go anywhere other than music well what do you you should feel offended now though you should feel offended because

if you understood if you understood it then with the jay printz thing of him you know chilling it out or whatever the

case may be and and and and I even believe jay printz says something about

you don't get in the Pigpen with somebody like him only for you to

see the homes here and watch ya only for you to sit here and watch him on the shop and all the you know physical talk

if you believe it you should yeah that was okay use this now hmm cuz now was a really a hoax it

was all a hoax so on all good music

releases from this day forward we should hear nothing of this energy directed

that way that's a fact I'm like I'm working I'm finishing up my new album now like I'm [ __ ] man you finishing up

your new album now huh cuz early I wanted to ask you you was talking about keeping up in this climate

so you're upping the frequency in which you deliver yeah so you change the

method but not the product right is this one gonna be a complete kanye produced

one or back to your old strategy of just grab my me what to see cuz i was supposed to be with him right now we're

not so i'm just gonna see how this plays out in the next couple days a lot going on right now well let me do i want to

hang out with bush do i want to tell the president of uganda that it's no good

president [ __ ] we do you be sitting when you read this stuff you gotta have

a reaction and that is my beef with sigh what's that sigh I can not have that album and be cool with Kanye telling the

prints that Uganda that we're gonna make this [ __ ] the new Jurassic Park come on come on I don't press [ __ ] see I'm not

in the sensationalism that is enough for me chance gave the same last [Laughter]

listen yeah I just I don't have I don't have a comment I belissa I wasn't even

familiar with that bar like that's new to me no good music yeah I gotta get

over there to Wyoming [ __ ] you got an appointment so your new project right

let me talk I think that's interesting because of the frequency and what you're planning to deliver now which is

different than you didn't have anything yeah yeah why why the change in approach

is it strictly because of what's going on the climate do you feel like you have to do that to keep up car yeah yeah for

sure you'll feel good I mean I feel like you got to do it to keep I feel like I

what I feel like I'm really good at what I do and I feel like I don't I don't know there are a lot of people that are good

at luxury drug raps I don't feel a big

fan yeah but being silent people you

know they can they can being silent they can sort of scooch you out you know

saying like you can watch the game sort of try to diss dismiss you and discredit

in like oh well that's just that mm-hmm and I feel like the more you come out

the more the more you come out the more they have to compete with it and and and

i appreciate between that and that and as long as as long as people keep

differentiating you're there and i just feel like it gives me one up cuz it's

like man i don't know too many people they can do this do you think you would have came back if you'd have done more than seven the first time do you think

that had an effect no no I mean I was only gonna do ten okay I liked him

though I like to wear those I remember when Kanye came out with it announced

when you say yo I'm only doing ten from now on he caught a lot of flack for that comment but I thought that that was a

great happy medium after I stepped back and got my emotions out of it tend to 10 to 13 was perfect 45 to 50 minutes I'm not

even mad if I don't get 13 no more because [ __ ] was giving us 10 with the to one minute and range and it like I

know what time it is right a couple super b-sides like that you could tell they just threw on there to push push

out I'll be honest yeah and I don't know because I'm just I'm disconnected with whatever's happening currently but if I

start talking to somebody's somebody's somebody who has answers because I'm hearing rumors one rumor was that four

songs counts as an album to streaming services looking at Stephen Victor so

Daytona was a double disc do you think the akan yeah has a deal with Trump no

in place I don't think so do you think you would know if you did no I wouldn't

know what they have they have a relationship because then Calle put the young lady nice I didn't say a

relationship I said it was deal I don't know how I said on a deal no no not deal

then they have a relationship though no before the presidency relationship oh [ __ ] let me take this time to say oh I

got a call other day about my 2017 taxes Oh brah come on bro

we today just chill just you know you

just got it was okay I was you cried you

died you shut a tier-one a glory the glory one the one does it go down the chin yeah I know people with

money are responsible for letting people without money know how bad having money

is but when you don't have money like this bit that was craziness family

biggie made a song they took it all like what the rip from two years ago you

right I got maybe twenty two dollars in my account

alright everything okay I don't you

ladies Victor my mama didn't teach me the rules about

sure enjoying the money enjoy it you got you got to spend that's the

biggest trick in a man oh yeah you think you just hold that right office so they

get they should say that's why I mean let me give Kanye the flowers well I could still smell them oh boy I hung up with the tax people and

I identified with Kanye no no I'm not

gonna wear that but goddamn it bad outfit I was it's tough out there anyway let's get back to you so this new album

gotta come soon it got to come something within this year early yeah we're gonna

try we're gonna try this year yeah but the probably early makes you how did you

feel you know I've stared at your number your first week numbers for a long time because I thought it was a misprint 100%

85 percent of your fan base went out and

got it happy first of all that's one a round of applause there cuz people

really don't even know that that's the step listen oh yeah eighty-five percent

purchases not Scotty that's tangent they went and got it you could touch that so

for me again you gotta study [ __ ] and somebody who couldn't understand why my

sales went from like 35 40 grand down to 15 20 in the streaming error mm-hm for

his fans to get it and never lose a beat like to still go get it when they're

making it harder and harder for you to go get it yeah I still haven't seen

numbers to reflect that and I'm looking right I haven't seen it yet how did you

feel did that did that strike you at all was that a testament for you or you just are aware of your base because [ __ ]

are weird a base yeah but you not aware to climb it like in the streaming error

like I mean I I was I was pretty US rapper [ __ ] are super impressed yeah

listen I was pretty I was I was I was happy with the numbers personally and but but at the same time like I do know

who I'm talking to like every like and that's important and and and it's only and I don't deviate from that right so

like I know they're waiting I either know that weigh-in I know they're I know they're satisfied when

they get it except for ice you know just trash yeah you know but uh I don't know

man I never put too much emphasis on this like it'll put it out there you know get that hype going and go on the

road bro that's like I don't never meet that in do you how many days out of here

wait what I'm never wait excuse me oh oh

that's before a second here victory back right deal yeah dan green wouldn't get over always

push I don't think people really know this stuff about you because it's global so I'm working I work for mine

I didn't definitely work for my hmm I knew that when I was going to the

Delta gate and it was just me and push was landing going the other way and it

was like mad big bodyguards with him he's a rapper

[Laughter]

and then he came to get me oh I really

feel like a loser then I walk away mean it's me did you see pushing those big ass guard and I said but I said to

myself when I saw that I said but that's not shocking to me that's nice that's not shocking to me but I think people

have you pigeon hold a certain way it's like what I think people have you in this box because of your content I guess

when I said when I say things like pushes super cerebral when I say things like push is a nice guy when I say

things like push is logical when I say things like push is very well connected

I don't think those things are resonating with the audience is that by

design I don't know I don't think they really look past the music and I think

everything else is they don't look at period push but now they don't know it's all under the radar like unless you know

like you know unless you know it's like yes your press runs and appearances

haven't been like wow yeah always just put out music yeah it's I don't know how

they would know where do you rank yourself all-time where do I rank myself do you rank yourself so don't rank

myself Joe don't [ __ ] I don't I just

like I mean I have like I don't think push likes rap what I listen to a little

baby album a little baby ain't gonna hold up Rory I'm very glad that you said

that okay another rumor that I heard okay you had a lot of rooms it's my job

it's my job to search for facts to match

theories so I heard another rumor push president of good music that says this

that says there's a world where Kanye got word of

QC wanting to do the for album each week

drop way before this Drake thing and that that's where the idea derived from

and that Drake coming would his date just made him push that idea up to June

it's a rumor that I paid zero mind to it all push and to this month yeah when

little baby and gonna dropped and in quavo dropped and in yachties dropping

and I would guess that there's gonna be a surprise album dropping after that

would you totally disregard that rumor no but I've never heard it I don't know

you're not invited to Wyoming on certain days right I don't know I really don't

do you feel like these guys are elusive come on I'm answering whatever you ask I

don't know oh you are no you're being super straightforward I guess what I'm saying but in that is as the president of the

label just just shouldn't be certain things that you're barred from like you should be in a position to be answerable

to very many things and it seems like you're hindered from doing that to the best of your ability well yeah if I'm

kept out of things if they're things that I don't know for sure that I would agree with that do you do you oh my bad we're going is

there someone in place in good that is that like the way home is special because home is an artist but he's a

business mind fifty same way Kanye is an artist yep like straight up

I don't think there's man as well yes but not in the way hold fifty Ross and

they're more he's more of an erratic artist I feel like it's an a it's a it's

it's Kanye's vision his artistry and there's a collective of individuals who

like bring structure to it bring structure to it and and see it through and within that I would say that

I speak to everything logical everything

logistics everything this is probably what we should do maybe to compete with

this or this or that mmm you know maybe we could try to get you know I'm a just in regard to the

artist oh good night that's how that goes do you think it's funny at all back to

my question earlier about gay and Trump and I don't have many yay questions uh

yeah I've erased him from my brain completely I didn't want to bring attention to that but because he wants

us since I've never heard another word about all of the dead after all these Trump shenanigans um is right [ __ ] Oh

miss [ __ ] right no no no I've never liked for someone to freely going all of

these Twitter rants about this enormous debt that can only be eradicated a certain way and I'm only gonna speak to

that because he's made it public in regard to his the worth of easy there

isn't debt at all but he did say there

was dead before not now yeah for sure

that's what I'm saying oh but Nazis from

this home is a big easy commercial to me

this whole [ __ ] is a big easy commerce aturday Night Live [ __ ] how did you feel about all of that well

you know I'm you know I'm were you doing when you backstage abusing him no okay

you weren't bullying him with are you aware of people bullying him backstage he told me that who was I want to know

which comedian Saturday I was bullying

the [ __ ] you say backpack what's Colleen Josie go making him uncomfortable you'll

never believe it you'll never believe what happened well no no real [ __ ] you

know we disagree we disagree on this wholeheartedly well I have an e no no

listen we disagree on this wholeheartedly and when it came to that I actually called him after that and um

you know I just asked him I was like you know you have your political views I got

mine you know mine like he'll hold from a Commonwealth yeah I already know you

know he knows my back and forth we've had this what I asked him just simply

after SNL was like yo what are you trying to accomplish and he was like you know what do you mean I'm like you know

to me you've had you've worn the Hat you've said your stance you've done that

little while ago in this past little let's say month or so after the music

came out during this whole you know the you know the the sarong the music run

and all of that went to Chicago I said

man I sort of feel like people were not even agreeing with you but lending you

an ear and I said if that's the case why

are we going back to causing an uprising like I'm fit and I feel like and I was

like I feel like you know if whatever you're trying to get accomplished because we disagree and you think your

way is gonna be the way mm-hmm if that's what you feel like why not just get it

done without the uprising meaning but yeah and his answer was his freedom of

speech you would be correct he's correcting that do you think he's

gearing up for like a political career because he certainly is can feel or do you think he's using people's pain

to get more attention to him which is what is annoying is what I've gathered

yeah see that's where because campaigning is done for so many different reasons its normalized in hip

hop like we're we're conditioned to believe that when it's our time to roll album out we got a campaign we got to

let people know how we own it for this run like roll outs are so old-school

like that is sort of Wow to like I mean I wouldn't want to put that under

someone you want to feel like he was thinking like that I mean but roll outs are old-school and poop in politics for

sure I mean I don't I don't I don't think he wants to be a politician okay I

don't think so but I mean I do feel like you know I

mean just listening and listening to his views and things he wants to change and

so on and so forth I don't necessarily think anybody has an issue with things

he wants to change I think they hate the way he's going about it I agree question if Kanye I just think

they're a little misguided he if he helps president Trump with a reelection like he campaigns for him well that'd be

something that you could still see yourself having a relationship with Kanye a today or dad be something that

would kind of like I'd I can't really stand next to this dude no definitely I

definitely could have a relationship we a because we have different political views hell yeah I don't think he's I

don't rohui we've been disagreeing with each other since we met hmm that's why I

feel like I'm the president because I actually do disagree mmm-hmm really like

on everything it's healthy it's smart but I mean you know I feel like it's back and forth for now and I can also I

can also see when we disagree him taking

[ __ ] from maybe something that I said or you know I can see where that you take

city to it right where you know in some capacity maybe not the whole way you just you can see the influence yeah

yeah not on his political views his political views are not it's not that's

not gonna be an end-all be-all with us no see for me it's not just the

political views I think it's the person like Trump is the type of man that he is

I just can't if my homeboy was trying to support someone like that even if it wasn't the president just

somebody in normal regular day life I just I can't I can't [ __ ] with you because you know what that dude stands

for it's like if a dude snitch and then you see your man in the club popping bottles woman oh that's like Oh Snickers

a hot boy what you're doing I can't [ __ ] with you because I don't know what y'all got going on and you know how I give it

up so it's like for the president to be this racist sexist God that he is that

we know that he is when your homeboy is standing next to him now he's the president cool we understand that but

now if you try to help him get reelected back into office but I sort of feel like you know we we know who he is we know

exactly who he is mm-hmm you know and we we look at him

and say you know we know what you really about it's it's it's still him not

having the Klan hood on mm-hmm you know still gives it that gray area I

I said that the mega hat is the new Klan hat to me it is that's how I look at why don't you play you know you can't I mean

that's my opinion but you can't if they not gonna own it

like it's that then it's it's it's hard

to say that it's uh it's hard to say and

some would argue that they are all glad declared his own putting it that way

what I'm saying is Trump is Trump angle only co-signing them in some degree yeah

so what I'm saying is there's always between for argument always between the

Lud's no no no we we're reading between the lines whatever you've already we've already

done that right what I'm just saying he was speaking to the fact that if you stand where there's where there's always

like there's always a room room for gray area doubt people dismissing saying oh

well it's not really that and these are just my views in regard to these certain things like with that gray area I feel

like people people hide behind that people hide behind that gray area and

that's what makes it that's what makes this you just got to pick your side you

just have to pick your side stand on it and say I don't agree with you you've

mentioned you've mentioned throughout this interview exactly how emotionless

you are and as someone who's also numb and desensitized and sociopathic in a

lot of ways however at the start of this

interview you mentioned my encounter with wu-tang clan yep boy was that [ __ ] a very teachable moment for me

um and in those teachable moments you

really start to observe you start to look and what I saw in that very

teachable moment was some [ __ ] was down to go shoot everybody's house up

some [ __ ] loved me enough to talk me off of a Ledge and some people wanted

zero parts and wanted to maintain their relationship with wu-tang clan yep and I

know as rappers we're not allowed to feel things especially as black men

black men are not allowed to feel things especially in high-stress situations but

I'll be on would you push I felt away I felt I felt away about the people that were not

willing to ride from me the way that I was willing to ride for them so as this

interview progresses I'm thinking about exactly all the different people on your side with those Drake affiliations how

do you feel about it I just wasn't it's all everybody knows everything know if I

see because I want to deal with the parallels that I'm identifying between you and I in the wu-tang situation

everybody knew everything i'ma tell you I'm yet you chose up I'm I just

in all honesty man and it just it just goes to like some home [ __ ] like real

father [ __ ] like my dad will tell me to

this day every time he sees me everybody's not built like you you know

that you treat them accordingly you don't got a but you treat everybody

accordingly they're not built like you as long as you know that you good when

you stop knowing that his when you know that's that that's that's when it's your

fault don't tell me that that's your fault you know that cuz you knew and I

mean again I learned a long time ago you

got a you can't have I take I try to take Street principles especially now I

take Street principles out of music industry as much as possible you have to

I hate it like I don't even want like let's not even I don't even I don't even want to

put those principles on people because if you ain't from it you not go

understand it and most people in the business are not from are not from it and it's real and it's okay

yeah but as you just like you know it's my fault when I begin to think that

yo you know this is this this and it's and and it's not it's not Rough Riders

you know say this is not rider die like this is not you know this isn't based

off of though that the house ain't based off of those principles they're not it's

not you know yeah I put together you didn't grow up together not even that it was about the brand the brand of good in

Kanye's general it's just not for different speaking more of your these [ __ ] say a lot in saying not a lot

right yeah but you know it's not it's not um man you can't I can't be man you

know I do wish at times I had you know I wish you know what he got on the shop

and said what was it uh he sent him my thought he's gonna punch you in your face and you better not be at no festivals in he everything but he was

like he was like yo he he sent you I sent him a picture of myself I wish he would have sent me that like his - for

like you know for our twerking you know that just like that's the type of ride I know you was ready to go there bro we

just out here we out here we are out here yo studio I see was go Stephen

Victor's just casually texting do you ever get some order Drake is not sending

you a picture of my bed he said remember

he's Indian yay he and he said on vacation they got a [ __ ] picture of my bed but what I'm saying is if he if he

sent it if you sent him a picture that's something that when you in war yeah I

like that should have came in my into my phone like you know if it's you know

yeah you know I have this bit of information but yeah but like you just

don't you just don't put those you don't put those principles and values on to people you don't like not in this

[ __ ] you can't not yet just to be clear so you don't really wish death on anyone no

man I never did I just acknowledged an ailment

yeah I never felt like that was wishing death either listen but that's what kills me like you know like I said

anybody else well in that talk like this I know this is right what are you saying

come on Moll I mean in battle rep I don't think I don't think that anything is often that's me because I but not

even in rat like growing up you go outside and [ __ ] is snapping is nothing is off-limits just when that

[ __ ] Duffy freestyle came out [ __ ] hold up now cuz we we still MCS here

II know Kanye ready for that [ __ ] smoke that's why he said that's why he

answers it got it all right I understand yeah I said in the in the record I want

all the demons yes I don't think that's fear I don't think Kanye should be able

to have a push what he needs a push which is why he had acted oh gosh slow I

don't feel like you should have trusted oh god flow it's like back when Shawn had puff see me this thought I was crazy

for my little Eminem slaughterhouse like I got a theory about these super big

[ __ ] man they need [ __ ] like this of course of course yeah even wide it was

always that day money will save my fans donate now is that cuz fans don't acknowledge it until

you tell them what's it Wow but Jojo need that acknowledgment may need it boy you want it but you would like it no yes

you would I just would wait I wasn't willing to do the things that come with it like I understand I understand like

the position it that pushed speaks about that him being in the position of the

the person that's normally viewed from the lessor standpoint I normally

understand it yeah I don't feel like CNS why I guess I'm asking certain questions to push right I do not feel like push

cannot make a hit record I do not feel like push because of his content is

restricted from competing with these new [ __ ] [ __ ] I feel the exact opposite I feel like this very minimalistic sound

he kind of engineered that it was this this this new sound where things are

kept very bare I was there when his very bare sound took over everything and I

was forced to compete with that to some [ __ ] have to just compete with everything so as somebody who had to

compete with everything there's some [ __ ] that you willing to fight for is some [ __ ] that you just not so when he

speaks to these things I understand it I don't want that acknowledgement push actually in retirement that's why it's

so bliss because it's like you out of

the rat maze facts because I do feel like it's a rat man listen you guys are

seeing like the inside of us just talking right now but like I don't know if you see these beans up here like when

you walk up to the home like it's uh what do you call it sprawling

like certain words like you don't know what this glow is about and you walk so

let me be here to tell you can live like this with $22 zero count you'll be

perfectly fine hey you taxes a net quarter did you ever get to that I want to ask you about that did you ever get to as as as creatives

you kind of always aren't in a place of self-doubt because we just lived there

we never know we're always going on our own judgment you and I always put you

with the most successful 41 year old [ __ ] was there ever a place where the

doubt concerned to you no no I mean he's

knows the coolest thing in the world listen I never felt doubt but mind you

my whole career has been stutters stop stutters stop it like so I never got to

feel like when we put it out we put out the the music it's good but it was

always stutter stopping I feel like even though stutter those stutter steps in those lag times between the projects

even helped you know I'm saying sort of even like ordinarily it probably

wouldn't help but I don't know for whatever it for whatever reason it worked out in my favor and it has worked out in my face sometimes it's not nice

to hear from everybody all the time you know I mean this you know arrow is doing

this thing that people aren't really doing that's true and you know it's like

you say you're rhyming over [ __ ] the only throw is dope yeah but it's like

but it's but it's like you're rhyming over [ __ ] that ain't really what is to

be rhymed over right now yeah like doing all those things yeah sort of I think you're sort of preserved

me though yeah you know I'm saying like I think it really has preserved me my

content is preserved everything that that I stand for that you know it's the

reason why they Tona musically content-wise can sort of feel hell hath

no fury esque yeah and just you know mm-hmm you

can get back in those chambers again and people feel refreshed like always yeah let's stay on that content for a second

where do you fall on this new argument that I'm seeing between the new guard and the old guard of the way we talk

about drug distribution like yeah I feel like you're the perfect person to ask with all of these people dying due to

drugs right and with our generation coming from the dealer aspect what do

you think of the young people's retort of y'all spoke about it this way we speak about it this way there is no

right or wrong um well there is no right or wrong because you can't tell somebody

how to sin you can't and you have to you

do have to be mindful the young generation are the other byproduct of

like single families you know father's you know being gone probably sent away

for drugs or whatever the case may be they have a you know they have a bad taste in their mouth about you know drug

trafficking period I mean Reagan probably probably just you know subconsciously I would you know then so

consciously they probably do um you know we were we were new at it we were new

and desensitized to it like we didn't we just came up we gave money mm-hmm that

was it we the destruction is later you know I'm saying so I don't know I don't

I don't really I don't I don't really get into I try to get into them and into the mind of the youth really like I mean

I try to understand everything about them and when I think about it wouldn't

when I really think about it and I think about everybody who was great before me that's why there

now because they didn't think about youth they didn't think about the use day embrace they didn't brace the youth

they didn't they were so busy caught up in their time there was so busy caught

up in we to Ellis we was so much illidan y'all mm-hmm that they got whack and

washed very quickly I'm glad you said that yeah do you think that there's hangover

from our generation feeling like we were the illest so this new attitude that

exists amongst the younger artists of not a lack of respect from people from

the older guard but certainly a lack of empathy for anything that the old guard

was trying to teach nighttime new rules new bosses new everything right I didn't

have a question I think that um I think that you have to be sympathetic to the

to an understanding of what the new regime is bringing in you got it you got

to look at it we was running up to these labels we were trying to get signed

they're doing it from their home minding their followings at home we added labels

to run to I mean you know they got labels same labels is here through

whatever they also debatable they there but what I'm saying is these kids is

really doing it for a selves and you gotta respect that like I mean just imagine imagine like really building

something from the ground up and in feeling like you're not respected from somebody else who actually didn't build

from the ground up we got week we all got talent right well some like some of

us had to hustle we had to hustle differently you in a sport yeah they built it they made it running

and then we came looking for it well we come looking for it I go everywhere with

the drug thing though if I listen to a Pusha T album right and went outside and

tried to emulate that I would we find out that I'm not built for that life yes I would call this person tell

you not to go outside so what and you look like a cop oh yeah if the kids

listen this music is mad easy go cobbling like right you don't need to be a certain part like from a certain club

it's not the most effective drug like if you kids are really trying to get high lean is not the way I just think it's I

think it's more impression alive I think the coke rap people would just enjoy me I wasn't going out not saying we

couldn't do it yeah take [ __ ] 20 cups along though all this [ __ ] is hitting me now I think rap now and go do it cuz

it's easy to get selling drugs was heart you couldn't just go out and do it you

know what I'm glad you said that Rory because just the other day I was thinking in my head because when I tried

to sell drugs I failed because you ain't staying outside and you know how easy we are just buy drugs no I don't feel like

the drug dealers today have to stand outside things really easy drug dealer

today I'm just doing it from the phone in the cream this is the burner are you

doing this don't worry about it don't

worry push I want to get back to some of these Drake beef because it's my job to be a little bit petty okay boy I thought

he flamed you [ __ ] up when he said I can never have a virgil in my circle they hold him back because he makes me

nervous come on where were you at when you heard the line yeah nah I wouldn't have

somewhere where money is wrong this is like that but uh a New Haven man

you know no I heard it I heard it and I was like okay he going in for sure I

felt like he was going in for sure I felt like um I felt like he had a real

issue a yay that was the bar that told that for me yeah push for one second I

doesn't write anything either

offended by this I know yeah but you

know I I don't I don't like I don't

believe I love a lot of music what did

you think about scoring did you like to happen no I didn't think it was that good come

on push no I didn't I'm gonna tell you I didn't I didn't for real now real [ __ ] I'm gonna do my favorite joint jaded bro

I listen art guy like trust me so you are senior to supposed yo timeout

yeah of course I'm just saying I don't I didn't think it was like I didn't think the album too many records if it was

condensed to maybe about 12:30 was condensed it would have been like it would have been hard it could have been hard I feel like there's a lot of filler

a lot of [ __ ] that I did all the shitty was dissing it was shots thrown but

that's still a good record um whole side a with shots yeah yeah it was good that's a good record I like mom's house

yeah push has I watch a lot of documentaries I watch a lot of channel

ID of what main push has a lot of serial killer tendencies I don't know how

people are listening to this TV you need a microphone I'm giving you all the

straightest that's supposed to be my why

is push I mean after going to toe crazy [Applause] I do like that you able to

compartmentalize that wait oh all right good so let's talk about because I know

people gonna be asking the whole you're from New York thing he is from New York just clean in the Bronx I lived there

for two years I was raised in Virginia Beach Virginia please that's right New York so you push when you get a passport

what if I'm gonna Hill huh North Pole can run world's own

that's a claim all the [ __ ] oh we

gonna claim push that's fun yo I had to read the ad last weekend BT who I didn't think knew too much about me it was like

they had me say I'm from Harlem boy 2 fans tore me apart from all I've always

feared that about the Bronx thing I always feared that's true like me it

exists it's a room you say me saying I'm warning the Bronx Oh from the Bronx whatever the case may be and if somebody

just come and kill me like Drake said

you saw everything from the window like NAS yeah man gonna do [ __ ] he says shut up Stephen

Victor thank you Drake was like hey biggest setup that's the way to get over

it if you want that's the way to let me tell you about comfort listen listen

listen I'm gonna tell you about comfort that's it let's say I'm gonna tell you about comfort to Ferrari's a wedding you

want about comfort nor war okay very comfortable bra very cold in the comfort

door war that was disrespectful enough I will say now I will say push performing

at his own wedding made me feel like he was mad Kent may put me up there pushing

at his own witnesses the games we play

the [ __ ] got a look man o'clock camp

man shout the clock King tell me how's the clock tell me action shout the Clark Kents tell me how tell me how this marriage

thing is for someone who's getting like pressure in the house and I mean oh

really let me tell you something uh all of that

dies once you do it she won't care anywhere she don't care where you go she don't want to look at you that's what

i'ma do it she won't mind sheet like go

you're here why like bruh I'm doing that [ __ ] well

peace peace of mind peace of mind are

you sure you want to go through peace of mind I want peace of months Rory and

parks are about to move in with their girlfriends for the first time oh she's there now enjoy learn great do something

like this peace of mind I know when did you yeah it is huh whatever come on

sniggers man but you know that the man it said she forget you for like a double dare yeah I got it I'm satisfied somehow

I think I don't I didn't come in here with questions but all of them are answered somehow yeah that's a great

conversation this is the end I'm assuming well push things which is medically you don't

get [ __ ] about nothing but you know what's funny about you man is that bro when you gonna be this this [ __ ] with

somebody else sure there's somebody else there's somebody else for you to have a war of

words with this it'll have to be who are you stepping up do people even use words

I'm not looking for push similar people don't even use words and music anymore

bro they're not it's like all melody driven it's not even that energy he's like he plays in that world because he's

you know he's well versed in you know the what is it the the whole generation

I think hmm I think so oh I'm glad you asked that too

what's that because how did you in hold relationship is really good always

always somebody that has shown an affinity for you and vice versa yeah super-good like anonymous part too you

know do you think you got no [ __ ] I ain't texting emailing about no [ __ ]

like it just some crack I'm sending my verse over listen just listen you tell

me it's good bad add u-verse to it that's it that's how I that's how I did

drug dealer genius period who do you think got who want it cuz that's a big debate amongst me in my friends wow it's

pretty simply look at Rory and his friends to be compared to what we saw

were smokers hey man you can say if you

like we can never say we got home oh we got you win some you lose some goddamn it

takes us about it so the going it was a

good one who came up with snitch uh Ferrell what's it with the title like

that acronym yo for a 100 percent go for a real where's Chad man

you're worse I mean you're good you've been around for twenty years

twenty years you can where's Chad what is it go acronym though I know no one it

is in it yeah I don't I can't think of a better acronym in hip-hop history yeah

period can y'all I don't say that cuz he's in here that's cuz you know anything is try

to accuse us suckin big there's a guess here I I'd say that we've said that before I feel like use all of that real

[ __ ] like y'all y'all know y'all [ __ ] like y'all really know y'all [ __ ] like

this [ __ ] is fun because y'all know y'all [ __ ] were like listen listen I

told him I wasn't doing any more interviews ever were ever told this

already like ever I'm the oh I'm not doing like no this yeah like bro we

talking on a real [ __ ] level now I feel like I'm talking to people who really know what the [ __ ] is up that's

important and I don't it's not always like appreciated with that said what

abusers as far as a state we're weird as well I mean I question no it is for ginamarie whine as far as numbers go in

number one there right there right there number one verse verses who the whole

country I'm Cali is close but I just tell me about the other Texas that are there Atlanta's up there yo man I don't

know but Virginia has like they got not a Jubilee Timbaland rallies in New York

tell you Riley's from will surely be game were you ready right not stay you set up shop down there right if you got if you got if you

have if you got the Neptune's Timberland knots Poirot [ __ ] well nothing I guess

like a pink to can never forget I feel real for real like you gotta like and I'm and now now

you got to look at them and say alright Tim min changed music three four times you would say yeah Pharrell and Chad on

the charts at during their runway 51% of the billboard like nah producers number

one number one can we get a Drake I mean not Drake could we get a you think about

you think about director whole a pushin

raw yeah dad I would like to hear y'all to libido he's uh Ross's definitely one

of my favorites definitely one of my favorites and definitely a person who I I always say it I can send him a record

and turn my back and know that it's gonna come back how it needs to come back wanna yeah one hearing one hundred

percent as a fan I want that I need ya about at least six records yeah Bush

would sound good with anybody from that camp hip hop is real cliquish yeah week

work together we've done maybe two records together I mean you know just a

those words back and forth and you know I don't I don't really like asking

people for features unless I like you know it's not it's not just gonna be gratuitous like yo let's just let's get

in like no like if it's a joint and I found a joint and I feel like you belong

on it or I have nothing else to say on this verse I mean nothing else to say like mm-hmm then I'm then I'm gonna ask

then I'm gonna start then I'm going that part of my brain and be like okay well who would fit who sounds good that's

that's the only time I'm asking for a feature for real like I don't other than that and I'm in anti and I go out and

ask like I'll be like yo suburb can we get this done and I you know sometimes I get to run around

dragon gotta be careful what it asking see nobody I mean you know like that's

part of just you know that's rap fan [ __ ] with me if if I lose all the fan in

me about this [ __ ] might as well stop I'm gonna call you and ask you like you

reach out to you when you acting you know higher mighty or when you managers

is acting crazy I don't even I ain't even taking it no way I'm just let me ask you if you're gonna do it you're

gonna do it if not if not and know that I you know I know that I'm extending myself as a fan yeah and that's it maybe

it'll come back around the state of Def Jam and I think Def Jam is trash

it's just my personal man we here it's my victim

what happened what's your title call what EVP is that a better acronym than

snitch so what's our relationship with

Paul Rosenberg Oh Paul Rosenberg is he not the head of Def Jam what's up I'm

just curious oh no no it was an announcement yes and that was it the standing of the label of

your label a label you're president of okay with your current distributor is of

what we're doesn't seem so gratuitous

what do you mean we take I mean we're we're we're under that umbrella I'm aware but we have we have freedom to

operate operate how we wish to month by month Stephen Victor he's texting

you're an animal man like who's a different animal like can I ask you or

Stephen Victor what are I love I love this his name is two first names

any time I've heard someone refer to him it's been that way cuz yes even Victor

but are there any other room now are there any other of subsidiaries under

deaf Jim outside of good music I know when I was there that was home of the

subsidiaries it was disturbing the peace it was Rockefeller was Rough Riders it was and then after the whole Irv feds

cream thing deaf Jim kind of stopped that just doesn't seem like for y'all

yeah period I mean not now of course now it's fine look throughout the course of the years right so y'all know only

consider re they're presently where's the another conglomerate that is under

you so what what are the couple Stephen Victor you're clapping you're pointing

at him and he pointed to you now it's a whole open hand to push alright don't

worry about it never mind never mind don't worry about I'll play out I got a drop or something to play here I got you

don't worry about me sad the ball is fine II want to know Jim what's the

status with a designer because he was the first one you signed right oh yeah push you got an answer for it [ __ ]

what's the latest re is your fault whatever is at fault come on push

yeah that's my problem E you can tag this and lose you know what's going yeah [ __ ] designers old [ __ ] up how do we look let me look at this [ __ ] in the

eyes because designer had a big record that was working for him locally and

regionally and Kanye needed some tick that's a word I just learned so he then

takes this record puts it on his album changes destruct which is great for both New York the

rest of the world unless you in New York City that's good but wait no he's not

good because designer had another project where he was looking for that support support designers second project

they even put it out on like that I [Laughter]

don't see another record you got that energy answer to defend oh listen he he

brought that record in anyway there now we know that no I'm sure no I was

popping when did he bring another one oh he was the that was the record it's in his faith the same way my conan's fate

was on Drake like my Conan's on Twitter now saying you know got some heat coming we don't care like the same way that

[ __ ] don't care about my Conan's new Akoni way oh laughter [ __ ] him the same

way nobody really seemed they have a lot of energy for designers second project

label included even though designer was all on the BET's festival stages that

the management has to auction off you know those crackhead stages that [ __ ] perform on no no they're just even

picked it up the [ __ ] I'm Tom I'm Talia push answer for it

no question now forget it don't worry about it mokona now the design will say

that is he owned the label I'm looking at fully fully means so how do you get

one of the still there it wasn't time I

mean the block was the block why isn't that his top the block of the fire was

the block of fire I know but but but he he was like in the sixth seventh week you did have a project so why y'all

didn't like library with him things what I'm asking it was before the week before

push no I say barn doors to see when designers album came out and I guarantee

they party don't say a word

everybody's silent do you hear that yeah how Stephen Victor knew we're good we're

good we're good designers album had seven records on it too actually that's what I want to ask

push push whispered coincidence from the

back fam if you don't move your [ __ ]

nasty baby you don't if you don't get away from us we have a push up right

away from us yeah me Kanye truck oh you got a whole life designer

go call BTW damn adding a push it an

important question I'm getting there before y'all started that [ __ ] yeah damn well with that [ __ ] it was a really

about Def Jam I don't care about Def Jam I'm off am and race

savy when you get real savvy which do you harbor any ill will because this is

what I do like I do like that Drake is is publicly beefing with adidas now even though he had a deal with them over

stripes like he had a deal in place crowd is very loud at their balls who checks over stripes that's what I like

you had a deal though yeah the clown the crowd don't know you had a deal that doesn't bother me at all

was that you didn't ruin the deal come on bro yes everything and listen not for

real I mean you know he did whatever he did I don't even know the inner workings of it you didn't care but you know the

thing about adidas man and and that bar and all that [ __ ] like at the end of the day the house the house that we're at at

adidas man we we got the creatives we are the ones who are like I saw you at

the long table I would say yeah I would say we're the gatekeepers of this [ __ ] when it come to this we know your boy I

mean you know whether you when you say you say yay you say P you say myself like an adidas as a whole they they were

first when it came to raising tastes me

tastemakers and embracing that whole energy like anybody else who doesn't

mean more power to him but it's first here adidas is the we started this [ __ ]

for real how much input do you have on the design of your shoe bras fish-scale on my shoes right I mean wait wait wait

I'm a ball and Pusha T can you guys explain to the audience it was a ghost

there's no better looking sneaking from all over the EZ me personally I mean is just not a more popular but when you

look at the two shoes I think that your does this really the soul come out of your Sneaker like it does the easy when I wear it

like when I take it off the soul just comes out with it and I have to find the soul you might have a fake joint the

souls thing in you're not strong oh you've never sent me a beer pushes

that's why I was on I don't know and Pharrell damn sure never sent me a pair Pharrell Texan Pharrell for be fab

getting all the holla back young'n

[Laughter]

alright I think I'm satisfied some mal with all of these answers I've got all I

know and now I have to interview Stephen Victor one day no but no pushing you

said you want to clear up when you were still about the 25 song thing oh yeah I mean just recently uh just recently I

spoke about you know going against the grain with the seven songs and and and

comparing it to how everybody's putting together these twenty five thirty song albums that you know a filled a filler

and I used the word cheating and I think people took that as me trying to compare

streams or saying speaking for the lack thereof streams mind may have had well that's what cheating means right it

wasn't it wasn't about that I feel like it was cheapening the art it wasn't about cheating and in in in when you

make an album like I've never made an album and added records to it that I

felt like we're like you know they could just go in there know like I make a

album trying to knock your head off regardless is seven thirteen ten whatever and I don't feel like these

longer albums are doing that it has nothing to do with the stream guys ever the case may be now there

doing it because of streams yeah but it's not I'm not putting myself saying like Oh y'all cheating and that's why

right is that verse me it's not that right I have look I have a question that I asked everybody whenever I get a

chance to talk to him because I don't talk to too many people um do you feel that we need a union rappers

um yeah I think so and and and let me

tell you why just because I'm liking it to what I

felt about how the how the Grammys made

a new rap coalition I felt like I felt like it was it was it was a good thing

you know I'm saying I feel like if we could implement that type of mentality I wouldn't be complaining about all men to

be T if I wars didn't recognize Daytona right you know if we could implement that mentality in a few of a different

of the different places where you know what we could make you know where

everybody could get their notoriety in there you know the notoriety and their look off mm-hmm and have people you know

is that realistic [ __ ] we saw with your Grammys yes realistic we seen him with

the Grammys I saw them with the off-brand attempt of what they were was the first time I won't now come for the

attempt I thought was cool honestly I mean I am really you know because I've never cared I've actually never cared

about it and then to see that happen it was like alright well let me tune in and see what's up but you know so it was

like I thought was oh how do arm yes I

want a union think you might even further but go ahead I'm sorry no no

okay because I do believe it's very possible okay it will take some unity

and a whole lot of communication between artists that probably don't want to talk to each other but it's possible it

probably would take a stop work that's what Joe's brain says I'm

open to hearing ideas from other places a stoppage of work to really get to

really yield our leverage the right way if it came to that are you down to stop

working altogether um no not a respect

you know I'm gonna stop when it's time to stop not before them to do something

else and then I'm not gonna do that but I'll stop when it's time to stop I'll stop and I'll and I'll try to be

hopefully my voice or matter enough that I can still be a voice for something like this you got it

gentlemen I'm unclear at one super-quick

theory I'm big please know that when you made the McDonald's jingle no no actually just making gun noises with

your mouth and they put an effect over it did you really write the big dog this

is what happened you was making gun noises someone putting effect over it you know Donna's heard it no sir no they brought

they brought it this is this around the just in time and all that for the clips

like mm-hmm Steve Stoute basically brought us

products the whole idea of doing the McDonald's jingle when when he brought

it to us he gave us that I'm loving it you know tagline yeah yeah and we

basically just wrote to that so you just wrote that I thought that time no but

you know within that you know they just took pieces out whatever the case may be like McDonald shouldn't want it to work

with this guy but no no no and and Victor and they got over like they got over pay a one-time payout ooh

one-time payout well I said the Union wasn't hip it was like a half me my

brother gave give me my brother half Oh half of me oh that's a pretty good payout though No

it is not no no I just mean at the time I see why you're like but I I own 40% of

the Arby's commercial now we hate Arby's it doesn't matter wait hold on we have

the meats as you yeah yes yeah all right

what else is yours you don't mess leaks [ __ ] yo that's crazy bro that's what my

bit a lot of my a lot of my business is in sinks and movie thinks is a while

word I have I'm aware of it okay wait what you say he says trash the new venom

movie you said I just heard a trash Pusha T record way pushes pushes on the

venom soundtrack oh what a loser I will in the same it

pushes on the venom for real and I yeah

ice we're talking to you who told him

that syncs word was a good word I've never got a notice singing well that's

how Kevin Liles robbed me so you're making hell no when it was pigeon always

sounds right let me say I'm gonna tell you what that she really came that in and that's that's one thing I can't

really attribute to Stephen because he had me doing this all came about because

he had me doing EDM records like just he used to just always be like yo get on

this no you don't care for universe yo you known this I'm with it and I mean like like me why do I gotta get on why

are you going to push it to you on the idiom records to make money I mean I know why wait what did you hear what did

you

and you brought it right to the best feeling artists in the world baby

hey your drug-dealing ass right for RVs but make it like crap this [ __ ] gonna

sell itself yeah it worked the victim place this [ __ ] to greatness so my question to

both you know we have a session my question to both of you gentlemen is I guess knowing what you know today not

just for y'all but artists in general oh is their predicament where we're able to

fight for some of the things we know we're worth when we write when we write some of those things yes tell me about

it I mean yeah that's it and demand it like

I feel like if push demanded residuals it might go different no I mean you tell

me I don't I don't know or you hear no

your didn't say Wayne delivers no that

makes sense as simple as it sounds right

the whole commercial you know cuz that

was a hell the McDonald [ __ ] was a super L like in hindsight you know first cut in the game like set you sure when you

were 22 or whatever I bought a pop-up

out you re-arrest coals Thanks all right

we got sleepers I'm think I'm I'm done is there anything that the audience will

kill us about for not asking of course they want five five more hours ice you're good at that stuff we missing

anything Shanta boys are you save on well what I

will ask it has none thing to do with anything this has nothing to do with anything at all move

back a little bit where let me look at this guy in the eyes salon says she's coming with music so new music and you

seem like a Solange guy oh I mean I'm

just familiar with this [ __ ] is a stone-cold killer I'm only familiar with

the with the joint crank cranes in the sky like you know I'm gonna get I'm in

this interview for your wife like this

and not listening arm be no no I do listen arm be fully like 100% I just in

its older army not this new [ __ ] I mean like JD you know what are you doing you

spare time push where I'm traveling 250

days out of a year 275 when I go home looking at look at my ground I post my dogs

I don't do nothing that you think is making a lot of road money out there

what I will ask you though yeah and I'm finished dissenter this conversation I interview is over

um do you ever worry about about your

health as it relates to touring so much I'm sick now I think I have like a

respiratory infection I believe I believe it's either getting there or

like it like this I'm you I usually travel with like a

trainer workout do [ __ ] like that and I and I have not done it for what the past month maybe money and and I I totally

will never do it again that's part of my rider from here on out it's killing me for sure yes I'm glad I'm glad work out

be healthy cut out just see your ass man boy am I trying to see where their nest

[ __ ] disgusting I'll go before you go yourself but yes I'm because I'm like sick [ __ ]

right now like I'm I feel [ __ ] up and I haven't I haven't travelled like this

without you know consistent working on [ __ ] like that for a minute and one

month Drake he's not at a hundred percent right now now's the time to go

you can kill him and yes inside and Big Sean engine me what I said what's up I

can't hear you cuz I'm basically voice my feel that was Volume one urgent go

summer what was surgical it's live yeah

you know what I want to take [ __ ] for coming here today [ __ ] like me toe the

project was coming a project full of smoke yeah oh new to me you know I you know I you know I I thought it was gonna

be a back and forth I mean I was prepared for what I you know what what I

know him for you got scared huh he spared you did he

but you know what in the world I will end this with this I'll find my ovo Cape

let me put it on for a second oh so wild came you know ovios cape is light blue

listen in a perfect world if you would have never done the 40 you about the die

[ __ ] and drink wouldn't have been so sensitive while I won't say I think this

would have been a it would have equal battle I would have enjoyed I would have

enjoyed this I definitely do you guys

think that that uh that battling today

ruins careers okay no I think that's a

joke terrible look at the show look at Mike right now it looks great real Myka looks

amazing now and what is that about that's just about people not caring or like I don't think that is it about I

don't think that I think we don't do much emphasis on it like what is it well I think that I think I think the

difficulty comes and battling is one of the original elements and today hip hop

is the number one genre so that's at a crossroads that's what I think I think

today there are more with this is a very sensitive error that we had whatever reason nobody does it I think it's it's

rather cool novelty thing to do but no I'd do it but no no we're we're cool

novelty thing to do but not a lot of people can do it so again when just like

you know putting out records records for me more frequently now because I feel like they begin to dismiss whatever that

crap I think they're dismissing the craft of that and like okay happen whatever but it's not everybody can do

it anyway so whatever and you can come back from it people just well listen if

you asking me I feel like even the sport of competitive rapping like battling is

not for it's not for all mainstream it's not for everybody who's a fan of music this is man they just they denounce it

they denounce it like people think the comp you know the competitive nature of music is wack

versus that now they'll talk about numbers but as far as rather that's how they can be yes right but as far as the

as far as actual rapping goes nobody competes in that magnitude like that nobody's up at 3:00 in the morning when

the new smack [ __ ] battles is that

because if left to opinion there's no way to definitively define who is better

because music is based on opinion like when I battled Hollow the first battery that judges the judges felt like I lost

I didn't feel like a little spike so that's always gonna be up in the air but the numbers can't be argued or debated

and that's when you got to start getting into the science of how numbers come about and that's what you lose fans they

don't give a [ __ ] fans just know if you got the numbers down so I'm rolling with they don't understand all the nuances that come

with the entertainment business listen man I feel like I feel like watching this podcast man you know always you

know you should always strive if you're gonna be in this [ __ ] strive for greatness you know do what you do to the

best of your ability and hope that you definitely reach whatever sales marks you need to hit but this podcast is

living proof that like yo it ain't it's not always gonna be five hundred thousand out the gate right and you can

have a life in this [ __ ] and be ill in this [ __ ] and be respected or and be like you know highly regarded as the guy

with you know I'm saying with the numbers like know that you got to know that about this [ __ ] as well mmm

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