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309 no that was always welcome to

episode 310 of the Joe Budden podcast

I'm your humble gracious grateful and

highly favored host Joe Budden here

would a few of my nearest and dearest

friends rush eat sunflowers here dressed

say nice to see you

Oh same here man you know I have family

everybody well you know he's hanging out

today because today is not a holiday for

him you're not for rush eat sunflower

best room doesn't recognize this holiday

what day is it again just a Wednesday oh

okay

it's just Wednesday four rushing them

yeah we have parks here white thought

how you doing man good Merry Christmas

yes same same so my white thought

definitely acknowledges Christmas a

white thought it was a white coat Rory

is here sup man amen how you doing

Sunset Park I still like that Erikson is

here STD Savon is here Alexander the

satisfactory screen man is here and last

but certainly not least friend or should

I say former friend of the show follow

the show got cancelled it's a pro or foe

of this show now defense of this I wanna

I want to congratulate you for my impact

making out number one in Spotify No

that's a round of applause we appreciate

that because I don't think that we we

could have done that without your

contribution and that shouldn't go

unnoticed and I it was slipping I saw I

left you out the press release just this

is here I wear cool pants is here and he

indeed is in hands on some [ __ ] cool

you got to change your name did you wear

cool outfits man it's not just fancy

anymore mmm yeah it was an act where you

beat that a man compliment I appreciate

that

what is it it seemed like you're trying

to have a velvet battle with me yeah

yeah no it's not bad oh come on Joe he

won this is a nice little velvet number

here thank you number he's wearing a

number from LA

her name is Lena Ramallah she makes like

a quiet velvet [ __ ] okay

I still can't pull off pull off the new

wave of tucking the sweatpants into the

socks I tried it once I said Rory you

look really stupid and I untucked it

when did you try it uh three months ago

you know what's funny when you trash it

like that just like you think it's gonna

look one way you start walking around

you like now I don't know cuz that's all

people do I was like wow they look of

course I talked when we were talking no

I'm telling you it's a thing now I know

y'all try to make all the [ __ ] we did

uncool into y'all do it now see [ __ ]

trying to raise their one pant leg like

you see them that's back that back it's

not back you shot at me and my can you

are these shots at me no okay you

actually you're one of the people that

just do cool stuff

naturally it's cool like when I looked

and saw that the velvet [ __ ] was in some

like off-white socks

not the brand off-white but like some

dirty looking something like that this

[ __ ] looks cool doing this yeah like

that looks just the way it should look

on justice and this conversation also

confirms my theory that Rory be home

trying to just try things that are cool

[Laughter]

go ahead and with that these narratives

you put on me man you just said it was

anybody doing man has a by feeling let's

start there merry Christmas to all yo

Happy Holidays to all y'all happy

Mercury retrograde are we still mall

actually chose our horoscope we're now

horse but not well we're not but there's

aftermath okay so we're now shout out to

talk to jerk any time a chick his role

and she says we're in it so we're just

permanently stay in that yeah well what

are you guys doing today sitting from

all you be you all the generics watching

basketball yes eating food that's what

this day is about that's about it

I got to do the Christmas sleeping off a

hangover probably get more excited over

thoughts on basketball you know turn it

in John Mall Christmas Day massive

that's what it's all about

who's playing tell us everybody

everybody everybody everyone's playing

Mexico League know the Knicks don't get

a Christmas Day game no no we did a one

time I think when Melo first came to the

Knicks that was the last time we got one

12 years ago yeah okay justice I'm happy

to see you I'm glad you're here

this is the first one of the first time

to mine now is that you're at the

podcast and I had no idea you even in

New York Rory just kind of hit the group

chat like yo justice is coming and we

love you so like all right cool but then

you came in like hot oh yeah a time I

was coming out for sure but he didn't

tell me

coming in hot why Rory didn't tell me

justice was coming in hot this is a

surprise got to give us money keep you

on your toes

mmm yeah can't let you Brenda prepare no

retreat it's gonna happen to you yeah

the only exit is blocked by a Christmas

tree well first of all how you doing

are you are you before you start there

are you indeed shook now no okay I'm

here to triple down okay okay how are

you first of all catch us up on

everything that's been going on since

the last time we spoken to you I'm

incredible bro I see just are you a lot

richer now for sure I saw I saw you buy

some things on the internet yeah he has

a chain with like five emerald stones on

it Sun burger though be able to finally

you were born one five times

one time I use one Donnelly pietà that

represents every year of his birthday so

he's only five years old yeah he's only

five years old okay

how you doing man I'm good man I think

um it's been a great year for for music

and congrats to y'all man thank you Dad

already more ya know I mean like I think

I think from me like even though the

podcast to what we're doing over there

just it's just all or you know a sense

of directions where the culture is

taking things I just feel like it's such

a good time it's in a good place isn't a

great place right and it feels great it

feels amazing I like I like I like I

like a lot of things that's happening in

the car like a boot I like the less

violence that's cool is it less yeah

there's less violence a little bit when

the gang culture get get back popping

again never love I don't know I did it

died in like 2012 for a low so yeah well

you mean like publicly yeah yeah

for years publicly that's the only thing

I don't love well let's talk to the race

relations and find out cuz I don't know

any what happened him all is our game oh

yeah I don't know much about games we

just don't come here to talk about it we

won't keep everybody safe

you're our gang culture reporter okay

you're closest to the gang neighborhoods

it's dangerous out there it's all I'm

gonna say and there you have it

gang report alright um I don't want to

start with uh

yeah I don't care about that and that's

darling to baby either what's a baby

doing I don't know okay not catching me

with that one Donny

where do clearly it was at the top of

your mind clearly I love when people use

the word clearly it wasn't very unclear

um you wanna start with justice is smoke

it was given to it holiday we all need

structure just gonna some [ __ ] I don't

even know what we're structuring about

at all I just well how's Joe has not had

any eggnog yet not true no never me

usually you keep you a little two-liter

your head and Jojo doesn't

in July yes what I'm saying outside - on

Christmas you don't have any you ever

seen someone drink eggnog outside in the

summer she's hot

after it's been sitting in the car three

hours it's just slow down no Joe

stomachache like Houston that's why I'm

laughing this I told you I got as you

get older that's stomach gonna let you

know exactly how old you are

Joe Canyon while [ __ ] on his Instagram

though like yo my name is dig 365

another year you might yo man gotta try

this vegan thing stomach gonna be tore

up how do the vegans know when it's time

to start they're trying the vegan thing

when everything you eat runs right

through you or when you can't [ __ ]

that's fun that's not out and you like

oh [ __ ] don't go out every night what

are you talking about that same spot I'm

not taking the [ __ ] installers you might

have to I did once though oh oh my god

did you leave after all right we was we

[Laughter]

any like I say I was on the phone my bed

why don't we end up with a strip club

okay

oh yeah that is go down yeah I like I'll

take the [ __ ] it's fun

and I'm not here to start that way this

way yeah so a division wait the vegans

are vegan so they cannot [ __ ] no so they

can't you changes that diet it's because

your body starts to like when you eat

certain foods and certain products your

body will start like like rejecting it

so you have upset stomach you'll be like

you have diarrhea so you have a change

of diet can't compare you can deny that

[ __ ] not Aries not my black people -

we're not saying go vegan just don't eat

steaks for like a midnight snack and

breakfast yes don't throw more green

[ __ ] on the plate like I think all the

ones that one time I was watching this

story and yeah like a double steak like

did oh no oh you know when he

the tomahawk roofs I'm just like but it

was tumble they have to clear the whole

table like you can't I can't even eat my

own [ __ ] on the table when that's one

get it clear the table when they bring

the car I eat my lap and they bring two

cows I would say which one do you I and

if you're listening out there in the New

York area at least that the tomahawk

steak from roof Chris is a better stick

than that 24-ounce porterhouse at catch

state I believe it it is okay I was a

little disappointed by by that one but I

like that place I'm sure I haven't been

there yet but when I when y'all go on

your story and put like the little thin

steaks where they cook in front of you

I'm like are they they gaming y'all

that's that steak worth about $2 just

cuz they cook it in front you want a

little hot plate presentation

yeah maybe had the tomahawk at South

Bay's restaurant I have never been to

salt this restaurant I was a whereas I

and I'm not calling him salt bit the

[ __ ] fire I was in Greece okay see

where you gotta step it up with the

Cutie pick I know right you got a Vette

[ __ ] fire now is in Greece in like oh

it's in Greece there's one here too in

New York mm-hmm I didn't know that yeah

it's incredible but he went to the one

in Greece but I went to the one I went

to the opening for the one and I'm in

Mykonos and he happened to be there Nick

was there meek story about it is

terrible that tomahawk is probably one

of the best time out than that oh yes

no but there's one here which is equally

as good oh you tell you're talking to me

like a broker you think I'm a broke he

like worries

why are you talking to me like I'm a

broken leg oh there's one

I will go to City on them yeah no come

on guys wrap your pallet right you're

right you're right you're right they

love me say yeah all right come on talk

about something no he's gonna get into

the smoke the debate it's not a debate

there's no debate I mean what do you

mean bro a 2020 movie for all that you

have to pledge to like just stop stop

hating no just like half context because

because context King but for the main

[ __ ] [ __ ] that has that has issues

with the media running with your stories

and happened I put no context behind it

you do the same [ __ ] and I'm like Robert

what do you mean prove it all the summer

[ __ ] you've been talking every single

thing you said no context and it was all

wrong you were running with the same

headlines

so then correct me and the rest of the

headline what was wrong about what we

were saying well where do you want to

start as you've said a bunch of [ __ ] so

what do you want start have you heard

all of it you heard about what comes to

me yeah oh man

and they bring it to you because we have

a relationship yeah they'd be like you

always enjoy your mass on my yeah but

you know he's a mischief so he's a rebel

what if some is that no mischief

separate is not tuned in I think so much

sees everything that goes on it summers

summer has a different algorithm their

time luck what's your algorithms like

summer is algorithm is just all women if

women aren't if there's not about beauty

and women she doesn't see it interesting

hmm

okay yeah Jo step your [ __ ] up how do I

get my algorithm to look like that as

I've been attacking algorithm so weeks I

gotta tell you I mean I always seem all

by the way it follows and I was just I'm

right there I want to stop seeing it

yeah all right yeah let you [ __ ] know

I'm here a few joy I mean she knows but

we've tech we had if you talk the news

you're gonna go put your here cuz

sometimes they standing in the way it

really meant for them Wow cause like I'm

scrolling and then I get into you know

I'm just killing everything I'm shooting

everything less it's a rhythm in this

like oh [ __ ] my bet I got grazed I tried

to invite honey dip to dinner or some

[ __ ] she was at the arcade I lost it

arcade today that's why see about to put

this high school but miss pac-man I'll

get at you later yeah what you want to

make fun of the bro keys but we'd be

doing the arcade dick and win it mm-hmm

that's true yeah back to uh decked up

all the things that we were wrong about

so wait what would we were wrong about

exactly listen tell me it know me an

Internet not you all this is me and the

Internet and justice being the highly

intelligent brother that he is well if

you starting where you in an Internet

you gonna come in here and your

differences looking um I know I'm not

defending anything let's be clear I have

an opinion on something that I have seen

with my own two eyes live in person and

in the flesh no you have him justice we

already established that I have been to

a summer Walker concert and you invited

me there so you went with someone walk a

concert piles like our third show okay a

year ago granted right so but we have to

stop saying you have not been to a

summer Walker concert so what you mean

what you're attempting to say is the

show has improved greatly snow it's like

me saying I've been to a [ __ ] I've

watched LeBron James play when I watch

them to High School versus him in the

league it's completely different

is that your what you're saying yeah for

sure

all right tell me more what do you mean

I feel like for example right again the

reason why the Internet is a funny place

with all this jaw saying is [ __ ]

hilarious but there's no context again

we're not really looking at the artist

development process right you see an

artist literally you were one of the

first people I sent summers music to

before we put anything out and when I

first people to say I love it you did we

need more off top right partner first

people just actually support her yeah

publicly mm-hmm and we love someone

let's just put that out there like oh

yeah this is big fat yeah um but yeah

now it's like it's like seeing that

right and then you being privy to go

into one

first shows being in front of people

because the song blows up or a project

blows up and again artist development

now has changed because you're literally

in front of everybody's eyes right so

there's no excuse for whatever it was

just like you have to put things in

context to where the artist is in their

process are you to be able to really

judge it

I agree properly right so that's fine

and dandy but these the whole lasts or

the whole string of shows bro if you

actually we're at the shows there were

great shows the issues that that that

really have come about again it's just

it's just a part of the internet hype

culture internet the internet hype

culture right

like for example summer is late to a

show summer is not late unique isn't

just there early I don't care about that

okay so that's not important in the

grand scheme oh okay the artist is

supposed to be late but no but she's not

even late she's not even late it's just

like summer's fans she's coming over to

do some summer's fans literally get

there well you've been to a couple of

the shows they line up around the block

and you know fortunately but also just

like they happen to be you know women

and women obviously shouldn't be in

extreme temperatures outside and all

that [ __ ] so so I guess I understand

like it's a little bit uneasiness that

that goes with it but that doesn't that

doesn't take away from the fact that hey

I'm supposed to go on at ten o'clock if

you get there six o'clock in the line as

long as not my fault I mean I can't

actually put people in the band when you

say that you are referring to where were

you guys when that whole were that was

Toronto Toronto we're waiting outside

for hours for a meet-and-greet that that

was what the internet was saying no so

what was then over there took up a whole

bunch of [ __ ] right no it was Toronto

people so let and let's be clear on that

- okay keep saying the internet but the

Internet is getting this from the people

that are present so this was Toronto

people saying hey why are we at the meet

and greet standing outside and you're

posting pictures of Landry tell you I'm

Alex how so let me take thousands

- I would go drink so let me tell you

how this works right so like fortunately

summer happens to be one of Driggs

favorite artists no her name happens to

be very click worthy right on the

internet so what happens is and [ __ ]

are weirdos fans will come to your show

and be all good but because they could

put out a tweet that can get picked up

by blogs in like the [ __ ] was just like

tumble they will just really make some

[ __ ] up and make it really grand for the

[ __ ] to really go because if you do this

effect if you do a summer tweet and and

sort of like you know like in that

negative light

it kind of just picks up on its own it

really just picks up was on because

she's shade room [ __ ] Darland and

everything just happens to just like

just just really go so but what about

the people in tell were standing outside

for owl again summer to do whatever yeah

and again they were standing outside for

hours not because of our fault number

one though it was snowing we can't

control that it was snowing on your door

as a point for me what doors are open at

7:00 it's not my fault the Toronto

[ __ ] [ __ ] with summer in the start

showing up at 4:00 and the line was

around the block they literally have to

do security check for every single

person justice stop this [ __ ] right

this [ __ ] what are you talking about if

the doors are at 7:00 right that don't

mean the meet and greet is at 7:00 so

why are you telling me this and I don't

mean agreed it is usually after the show

what are you talking about

oh she I do mama before see exactly see

again maybe [ __ ] are running out with

a narrative some are met everybody our

meet and greet [ __ ] the only issue was

because there was stand outside for so

long and some of us backstage and Drake

happen to pull up and they were just

hangin and literally even for a second

but because she's posting pictures and

[ __ ] have been epic outside for so

long all summer is back there with Drake

like [ __ ] well he's only back there

waiting for the venue to get full so she

can play the show okay what did you

think about her Fallon performance her

recent Fallon performance mm-hmm it was

cool it wasn't it wasn't it wasn't the

greatest but it was cool

did anyone else see that performance

I gotta sit okay how reason was it real

reason yeah weeks ago yes it like super

recent okay so what's your issue Joe

would sum over all her energy on stage

oh yeah and now you know and that's why

I got it I wanted to say to Justin that

not justice that all even in my

criticism of summer I ended it with I

appreciate this criticize I hate I

appreciate being able to watch somebody

develop because we've seen her from the

start

mm-hmm this is someone who just started

doing shows you getting it together

we've seen we've seen the production

step up we've seen the stage step up

we've seen we've seen it we've we've

grown with it so I appreciate that part

of it and I said that she gives a [ __ ]

[ __ ] show but how does she give a

[ __ ] show if you see summer live when

you were a singer who's singing arm be

what the [ __ ] you wanted to do tootin

boo I want her to Negus she's gonna give

you a [ __ ] vocal she's gonna sound

just like the record like exactly what

you pay for is a [ __ ] chill sure

you're gonna do you whine get ratchet if

you want to but that's really it

what do you want her to do I want her to

put on a good show what's a good show

I'm retired so I don't know

so snow Alegre show is great phenomenal

snow legacy it's a good artist I really

like snarling why we're not talking

about artistry we're talking about

performing that's why I'm confused when

you keep I keep talking about a show and

you keep telling me she's a singer she

was singing what do you want but you

haven't been but you have but you

haven't been to a summer show and Joe

stop that because again now you're just

gonna pull snow allegra out of nowhere

and put her into fire so now i'm i'm

gonna have to the reason why i keep

running away from that because i'm not

trying to compare two women right you

shouldn't exactly know but you keep put

you keep pulling me into it i'm just

like you keep asking me what's a good

show okay so what make look what

constitutes is a good show if you're a

singer and you're good your job is to go

up i just saw a man you're so merry give

a phenomenal show

merry merry be dancing know what

constitutes a good show is my question

not answering my question

what constitutes is a good show the fans

leaving

satisfied the fans leave satisfied

you're literally running with [ __ ]

Twitter rhetoric I'm I'm not but I'm not

I'm not gonna continue to argue this

because it's your artists no it's not

models at the show mall keep it a buck

tell me if the show was not good or on

so I came here to him but more also

really enjoyed the show that we went to

together with her um my glasses are

different from his undersea the

differences I understand the entire like

package of summer she's a new artist

right and that's why I keep trying to

tell like she should be allowed the room

to be a you are she [ __ ] she has to she

still has to grow like there's no secret

that she ro as an artist as a performer

she's off to a great start but you're

still gonna have flashes of new artists

right we know that she has social

anxiety we know she's shy we know she we

know all of these things right but even

in that I feel like she still gives a

good show right I think that the show

that Joe went to last year in the show

she does now it's a huge difference

right I think it's summer she it's two

girls to look at the answers look at

this you cannot defend this book enough

with this massage in your [ __ ]

relationships she is standing up there

looking unenjoyable show you a singing

that's what singers do they sing don't

worry about it that's not this is not a

conversation to have here at this

podcast because y'all not gonna keep it

being no I don't want to see nobody they

call yourself a performer on stage

tapping a [ __ ] leg while I in front of

the microphone justice Jesse Boykins

let's move on it's a movie people have

done that though my opinion yoki you

know no but I'm just saying you ever

heard of the temptations we tapped a

legs if it's a song like that that

doesn't mean it's not a good what does

that even mean the temptation says that

the temptations holdups you shut the

[ __ ] up for a second but temptations

come on tap their [ __ ] leg then they

start snapping and unison then they spin

around

they do a whole bunch of [ __ ] up there

which is one I've been able to perform

for a million years even after the lead

singer [ __ ] died and you got the

nerve to compare somewhere Walker didn't

know I didn't can I get an accurate

comparison because you did some [ __ ]

you said if you tap your leg that makes

it not a good show no I'm talking about

her you you having her leg on Fallon

like this so what would you like to see

someone do a dance

so my dad would help all the other

singers are trying to do it that would

help so you want to see that can't dance

try to learn how to dance then prove

they show a the singers that can't dance

we'll go get backup dancers the [ __ ]

[ __ ] you're knowledgeable people's

life she has dancers and she looks bored

every show I want the performer to never

look bored I say that to y'all in the

podcast yeah we'll come in a sailing

board y'all y'all could be the best

morning ever

if you sound a certain way it's a

frequency you give it up we've had those

talks that don't change which summer but

yeah but I think I think starting to

understand it took a while for you to

get to that point okay you're saying her

energy and what she gives off seems like

she doesn't want to be there before I

didn't understand what she was trying to

get out he was just saying it sucks

alright now we have some context of what

you say this old foundation at the snow

leg right no but no one that's listening

to us has heard that so I was waiting

for you to get your actual points well

the point was standing in one spot is

not what makes it a bad show I'm never

at that point so you could make one cuz

it was just no it's not in one spot she

I stood in one spot a million people

that just stood there you can stand

there and be responsible for the energy

you give off at your live show and sorry

I don't take I have social anxiety and

I'm an introvert as an excuse to have

bad energy during a performance and this

is not an isolated performance it was

[ __ ] energy at the first one you telling

me all right that was she was a new

artist cool I'm down with that when

usher came out and I see this I seen the

clip it look like [ __ ] justice or the

sound system at the Nova would look like

[ __ ] can y'all stop with the bag of

[ __ ] excuses it's not

look but show you mister but you missing

something here

summers whole thing is the shy girl

that's like speaking to her diary she

that's her whole thing she's not the

overtly sexy loud boisterous twerking

she's not that girl

now she's sexy she's the girl that you

see at school she doesn't talk to nobody

and then the night of the school she

comes out and she has a dress so tell me

well summer is just look at the screen

that's who she is fine then everybody

ain't built for the stage seeing

everything she keep telling us about her

anxiety disorders and all this other

mental health [ __ ] all that system is

maybe it takes two maybe you need a

little more time you know what were you

are touring and you hit the stage you

know what she's too big of a hack it's

too much money do you know what do you

know what this says to me is a bunch of

antiquated thinking you know because you

are lit shoe were literally saying that

hey there is only one way to do

something there is more see what I love

about what I mean what amazing

basically because will mall just try to

put in context again is again you have

to take into totality who the artist is

what they stand for and exactly what

they're trying to put across before

forget you both are wrong in that a

consumer does not have to do any of that

does have to but consumer don't have to

take in the totality none of that [ __ ]

or consuming it to buy a ticket look and

leave with their opinion so now you

continue but in your opinion you have I

understand but you know but but you have

to have sorry so at the end of day you

have to before I buy a ticket for

somebody I have to have context on what

I'm buying if summer if her whole thing

is hey guys at the end of the day I'm

already [ __ ] anxious right and to be

in to sing in front of a crowd singing

first of all is the most vulnerable that

you could possibly do right so to be to

be that vulnerable in it

summers whole thing is her lyrics and

her lyrics are vent are very vulnerable

so again that is her a whole essence is

what is the attraction to her because

she's not trying to be what she's not

there's more than one way to do one

thing you don't have to [ __ ] snap and

turn around to give a show if I like

summer Walker because I am going to go

to summer Walker's shows just cuz I

wanna I want to hear to hear her and

connect to her music and literally

listen to the lyrics that I've been

[ __ ] dying over that's what I want to

see I'm not going to summer walking so

to see her

twerk and turn that's not what I'm going

I'm going to I'm going for but to see

her for you have to know where you're

going I didn't like that bombing oh stop

trying to copy and paste

there's more than one way to do

something a copy and paste I'm the first

one to secretly say she gives a [ __ ]

show the second show no I'm saying

you're copy and pasting your idea of

what it is to give one sort of show or

what constitutes a good show because

there's a million different shows that

I've been to man there's like million

different shows they all I have to do

what any of you go what do you mean ever

every show did you mean no cuz I'm not

invincible on Adorama I'm a Lana Del Rey

concert before shorted in an even

[ __ ] move a beat

but you know what I was so mesmerized by

me actually seeing a [ __ ] artist I

love and her sounding just like the

record Oh fans huh so you want a lot of

stupid fans what is stupid no no I'm

just I'm just repeating what you just

said you want fans that's coming to the

show just to connect with music that

they've already connected to and not

really give give have many thoughts

about how this music is being performed

because that is what you keep saying

that's not stupid it's subjective no no

no no no again again when I listen to

suffering musics do when I was in the

summers music that time of the day I

listen the summers music is usually at

night half of the time I'm chilling

burnin some [ __ ] candles drinking

some wine vibing right when I go to a

summer concert I expect to do the same

thing tell me what you tell me what you

think about that Instagram post she put

out yes said hey if you're coming to my

show is to catch a vibe that's not what

she said bro

it's the again fake news you be on that

fake news alert it's not what summer

Walker that's not what she said are you

gonna are you actually gonna say

everything she said hey screaming pull

up summers I tried to shoot you some

bill what you said is probably

actually a lot worse she explained her

summer has always been the thing about

summer is the thing about summer and

summer has always been honest with her

fans and with people who don't know her

she's always been honest this what that

that's the reason about this do you

think we are in an honesty business no

but let's let's be safe

no no no but see and that's why summer

special because she's pushing the agenda

of RB RB has never lived in this [ __ ]

mode before R&B you had a lot more you

had the mode of you had to be perfect

you had to look a certain way you have

to say the right you're wrong no you're

wrong name name name another arm the

artist in my generation that has

literally has literally operated like

summer Walker RB female artist

specifically female but I guess I don't

when you say operate like summer Walker

I'm not sure what you mean by that

meaning meaning I would say I meaning

push the norms of what is expected

what's expected is when you are R&B

artist rb1 miller expect lagu show you X

know you expect you expected to act a

certain way

summer summer literally does herself

she's herself in doing through authentic

and is gonna be honest whether you like

it or not she's not scared of the

politics she's not scared of how you

[ __ ] want to swear she's not scared of

none of that and that's what I'm saying

she's like for me she's really she's

literally a reflection of all the 23

year old women that I like her in the

end we need that we need that to be

pushed so like all these oh yeah you

know you're supposed to do that you

supposed to do that like nah bro she's

literally a reflection of something new

it's really a real it's it's she's

pushing she's pushing elbow up in my

opinion I would I would understand

people being upset if they went to a car

to show and she didn't she performed

like summer with summers energy because

the person that people love and car do

you see her energy online and they think

she is a different energy right I think

what summer gives onstage is exactly

what she gives on social media which she

gives him personally

so I don't really see like how people

will go to the show and feel like they

were slighted you also on record as one

to be something yeah I said she was sexy

yeah well what who didn't see that see

this that's that fake news alert cih

right though that that he doesn't want

to be known

oh man my man was making a very valid

point and he just threw it somewhere

completely left oh yeah wait little

you've never argued with Joe before no

no no no exactly exactly that's funny

y'all y'all push that narrative on me

and I'm staying all y'all do is come in

here and massage existing relationships

or relationships that you would like to

relationship that's not about people

that we like because we like summer

that's important to say yeah that don't

mean wayne outdid it's a [ __ ] let me

stop saying let me stop saying [ __ ] show

because I don't want that to be the

confusing part here

or that there's a lot of room for

improvement then I don't understand why

y'all keep rebutting the things that I

say because again you're running with a

narrative that isn't true if you said

hey summer so I feel like I thought

there's there's some improvement cool

I'm with you but you are saying summer

gives a [ __ ] show and I'm like that's

not true because it's a good show do I

think there's room for improvement yes

not in the in the way that I think in

the way that I think there's room for

improvement not the ways that you think

are because I'm looking at this I'm

looking at this space completely

different exam though you just full of

[ __ ] here's a better example summer

Walker can actually sing right she's

amazing she sings amazing life you don't

even get a [ __ ] different riff or

ad-lib to these songs at a summer show

I've seen that from I've never seen a

summer show so that's why I've been kind

of quiet here so I can't really time it

but I've seen other artists out exactly

like the record parks I guess your point

there is kind of why I've stayed and why

I'm not rolling with you all the way you

didn't even go to the show so that's why

I can't just like get on sorry I didn't

go either

have no comments which allows you to

hold it's a whole different show it is

so I guess I'm not going with you all

the way cuz you're talking about a show

you didn't go to you know you know it

and I'm talking about the show I

attended I'm talking about both oh we

could talk about the one at Bowery

Ballroom you was there I'm talking my

both I'm talking about what I'm seeing

online and what I saw in person okay but

a show at Bowery boy and my point is yes

and the show at Terminal five our

different shovel show Dana show on

Fallon should be trash in in multiple

venues now no no no but again again

again going to context your trash go

into context have you watched her Kimmel

Live I'd have to see it this is it

no oh you had to see it I'm not yeah

again I'm not speaking to the the

late-night shows cuz those are whatever

but when you're going off Twitter videos

I've taken videos shows day I've taken

them and I go back the next morning like

I'm not posting that cuz it doesn't even

represent any of the feeling that was in

that building hmm it's on my iPhone the

audio sounds her show now is a lot

better than there was at the Bowery

Ballroom it is 600 people to 6,000

people it's a complete different show

she knows she knows what the work she

has to do and I Tina today someone's

bringing us I'm like yo like honestly

like I'm been honest with all y'all

[ __ ] from day one and if now the

[ __ ] that aren't a part of my family

which are her fans that don't understand

her journey and understand what the what

the [ __ ] she's trying to create then she

just like are cool like you know I'm

saying like I might just like sit this

one out cuz ya I just don't appreciate

exactly what I'm try and do and I feel

her I feel her because [ __ ] just run

it with a narrative no they're not they

have the art they have a job talk about

what a narrative is there are you

haven't been to a show I have been to a

show we don't want I don't want to keep

repeating the same [ __ ] but y'all can't

keep dismissing people with opinions

because they differ from y'all's

it's not people pulling from osmosis

that summer Walker gives off a [ __ ] show

just let me finish it's not just people

running with a narrative or delivering

fake news or watching a clip and forming

an opinion we have watched you go from

city to city to city to city

I see the small improvements I say that

like I said earlier

that the set at the pole the challenges

I see all of that [ __ ] that [ __ ] like

you add when you know your artist has a

[ __ ] [ __ ] show that's not changing

the energy that's coming from the artist

and as an artist I'm looking to that I'm

looking for that energy they don't say

it unless a it has to be high I'm not

saying she got to get out there and jump

around do cartwheels starts working like

you keep saying even though she is a

former stripper so why the [ __ ] wouldn't

she [ __ ] twerk but that's fine

because that's that's not progressive

what you just said the fact that a one

point in time or her life when she was

19 20 years ago that with but I know

where you going because I know it sounds

[ __ ] up but couple that with you're a

[ __ ] performer so yeah yeah wait what

does that what does that mean

because if twerking is gonna add to your

show then you should do that scene a lot

they should they should be open to y'all

should be open to anything that in y'all

opinion no show cuz if it's not

authentic to the music why why the [ __ ]

would we do that just to please a [ __ ]

like Joe Budden no I'm not her demo and

I'm never pleased exactly that my point

exactly

I know but you can't just music you got

to say authentic money we can miss a

thing she has a [ __ ] show and this is

really dope here yeah a [ __ ] show the

[ __ ] that haven't been to a show but

that's in a way for Jota I'm just like

realized the internet does run it's

people that say [ __ ] we say all the time

it's the Internet it's people exactly as

people that but you know you know that

that people will say album is wack and

never even heard out because of you said

it was way you know that like we talked

about that it people will just pick up

on whatever the masses or whatever I'll

Google people are saying just to be

recognized just to get highlighted

number one I'm not show man so I'm not

going to whole bunch of shows number two

I'm definitely not going to show after

I've seen a [ __ ] show like that's me I'm

not a return customer now like I've done

where's this you err well here's here's

the thing ah malls now shoot mall gonna

keep going the show

all of these narratives I'll ask all

these narrative about art yes

all these narratives about her show me

wack but then all of her shows after

they said she was terrible and horrible

still sell out what does that mean that

means the hostel for now has to be some

people that are enjoying the show no

artists all right so there has to be a

me I've ran the snow [ __ ] I need to hear

that album live I would want to hear

summers album live too

but it's gonna sound like the song and

you just gonna stand there looking sad

and [ __ ] depressed now put your album

on I don't have to have that investment

the point the point the point we're

making and I feel like the point that

Mar was trying to make is that basically

what we're saying is that the [ __ ]

that are running with the narrative that

she doesn't have a good showing of it

are the same [ __ ] that haven't been to

a show here also because the [ __ ] that

go to a your coming from the show saying

it's a [ __ ] show now it's not the

majority you meet fans that will walk up

to you and tell you how much they love

you but just to get some [ __ ] clout

don't let some [ __ ] go that's literally

the summer Walker story I literally

watch every day cuz I went to every

single show I usually don't do that but

for her I went to every single show and

I was literally watching like we'll do

meet and greets I was literally watching

people literally professed her love to

her and she's like equally engaging and

the same person just to get some [ __ ]

retweets we'll go live on wax and just

make up some [ __ ] it's crazy

so to close this you agree that there is

a lot of room for improvement but

everyone who says that in a not nice way

is running with a narrative no that's

not what I'm saying

I agree that this room for improvement I

want a lot your you a lot you're a

vision and my vision is two different

things so like from your perspective how

your vision is I could see why you say a

lot for me it's completely no because

I'm not making a dime from her show if I

was I maybe would not say so much

no I mean bro at the end of the day boyo

you know we keep it a buck with each

other like I'm very very few very very

very very critical but again also I'm

very open to a new idea I'm open to a

new idea give me give me because I don't

want to dwell on this we've been here

too long Oh give me give me uh have you

seen a [ __ ] show in this decade I'm sure

we all have yeah yeah absolutely sure

definitely

is there a sneaky way we could just say

to say what the [ __ ] show was without

well let me think I'm just saying a lot

of the rap shows were they straight-up

wrap over the vocal for the entire show

their tone does it so yeah wait well

yeah that's that stuff that comes to us

as a bad show and that's a lot of wraps

actually when they don't even say their

lyrics that want to they just let it

play and it's just disorienting Johnny

that's kind of a new thing too now that

the kids are doing that's cool that's

cool isn't it it's a different type of

performance let's stop right there

Justin could you just excuse me could

you tell me I'm not open to a new idea

mm-hmm and I'm not gonna call that a new

idea rapping over just the song but what

do you think about the people to do that

I think yeah sure would that be you not

being open to the new way of these

people performing no there's a way to do

it I think there's certain people that

can pull it off and certain people that

can't certain people just following with

trend because they see us whether your

favor artists popping is doing and

certain people actually have figured out

a way to make it work some people can't

match the voice like when I go to like

when I go to like a [ __ ] Uzi show for

example right and Uzi is not the best in

my opinion at catching his every lyric

when he's rapping but his energy is

unmatched it's like it feels electric

for example and that's something you

can't buy right so I understood that

because he's entertaining me in that way

I excuse the baby when I see him do it

right so certain artists to get it

certain are certain artists aren't cause

Bobby's hoping to enlight because the

baby I feel I feel like he can rap every

word if you wants to write I do feel

like that but I feel like he's too big

is doing too much for avenues jumping

around he's out of breath Soviet let

some [ __ ] breathe for a little bit

I'm not gonna hold that over his head

who's he understand what you say so you

do do you do subscribe to the energy

thing but when I mention it with summer

you just talk like um know what you're

saying that is the energy no again I

can't you say open to new ideas meaning

I understand that for certain artists

and I understand there's many different

ways to do certain things that's what

I'm saying is like if I'm going to be

entertained by performer going to go

into a show to be entertained I've got

to understand what is this artist shun

up convey but we need to look at some

are more like Shaddai yeah

obviously that's Sade's nutshot is

[ __ ] Queen right some of the Queen

too but yeah yeah yeah summer is very

very meet her in person you've met her

she said towards you right I know yeah

and that's literally who she is in real

life right and it's not that she's

trying to be a certain way tonight bro

no she literally has the social anxiety

she's like well honey I had to learn so

much remember right I didn't want to go

over in the first yeah but but have a

soldier in xiety from Elena have social

anxiety from New York it's two different

types exactly tell me more [ __ ] you

still lie in as New York huh no no I

knew your kinetic energy in Atlanta and

again is two different energies explain

it to you yeah I looked at different so

yeah I mean bro I could just imagine us

just walking outside you have a

different level of comfort with being

around people than you wouldn't Atlanta

exactly you're forced to have a

conversation

you're for Subway I could imagine

even if you have social anxiety as in

New York are your slope you talk the

Train here your defend your force a

defend right our social anxiety is

different in New York than in Atlanta I

was subscribed no space here at a

society

it's like [ __ ] what well you guys are

you can say like [ __ ] I don't have

space bigger yams and what in Atlanta

you have plethora of space and I'm not

even comparing the levels of social

anxiety but her she's really real but

I'm not even gonna lie to you the [ __ ]

over a job put her out there to do

sold-out meet-and-greet and so about

that like you say what it's so real that

y'all put her out there to do a bunch of

sold-out mean greets and five and five

thousand person video you won't know

what else is real

no really no no no no no no that's

that's the thing that's what I want him

to say that's the thing I wanted to say

you know I really don't give a [ __ ]

about or so has bills to pay

no let me know no summer does not care

about money let me let me let me listen

him to tell us what this is about

listen some Holly cares about music and

love two things she cares about music

and love everything else doesn't matter

right so again with summer if you

noticed we didn't cancel the tour for

any other reason besides I heard being a

new artist I'm really realizing how

[ __ ] in during that tour process is

and her having to realize that - she's

like yo guys I am losing it like I have

no more energy to give personally I'm

losing my mind

etc etc like summer we support you

let's put you good Oh Chicago no let's

pull back no no no no we love you and

care but no no no she was she she was

like you're I may be like let me let's

not cancel all of them but maybe some

more and with our cool let's just try to

figure out the best ways I didn't in a

day she still has a whole [ __ ] stage

she's still a business she's a whole

staff she pays at least like let her

make her expenses back so that this was

kind of like where it's at so it's just

like with her again it's not about the

money she really genuinely wanted to

wants to go out and connect with her

fans

right now she's special there right I

mean that but she genuinely wants to do

that but at the end of the day it's just

like if something is too daunting for

her where she's at in her process

yeah I'm saying just have to be like oh

cool like let's figure out what's best

for you because you're different

there's not one way to tour there's not

one way to do a show right

so that's just kind of that's just kind

of where we are in like again that's

that's the artist development process is

its new in this day and age because

somebody has so much [ __ ] exposure so

fast you don't even get to know what

you're not that Satyan had this whole 30

minute argument about the same thing

dancing around in circles and my other

my other example was your other artists

cuz I went to the black show the same

way I went to the summer show early but

no this was after his first album I

grabbed him black too

is kind of like summer in that I don't

[ __ ] with [ __ ] um to myself I ain't I

[ __ ] with black but he seems like a

low-energy guy let the music speak for

itself and feel it and you connect and

he didn't do too much moving around on

the stage and that show was perfect

right but thank you just comparing two

different humans but there seems similar

to me no and what you say no from what

you saying there's simple they're

similar in their ideals right there lack

lacks the same well I guess for like for

some reason my artist I don't know it

wouldn't come they don't care mom we

miss about my next year next year for

sure he's like brother Nick it was 24

years he need yeah baby yeah well yeah

yeah so again that's two different

things there is somebody in this mic

gonna add a lot of baby blacks blacks

blacks development has started since he

was 15 I think I've been rapping on the

street for so long justice I don't care

about know anymore I don't hear about

your relationship problems I'm not here

for black and summer talk the whole time

okay how's your how's your personal life

my personal life is great row really

life is great and [ __ ] life like some

[ __ ] okay Joe Wiggins will not but

this will not get on a microphone and

just start talking about the bad [ __ ]

that's all I do think people agree yeah

like it's just he had a great year he

had a great year

are you think business-wise you gotta

greet you know you can have a great year

in Silver City

no no business wise he had a great year

business was same person yes she won

says she won we both win football point

I like it there wholesome we've been

it's the whole subside of the podcasts

over here what side is this with me Amal

now wholesome girl to ride ride ride

right I need a girl to be my wife

we're not wholesome we

internationally-known on this microphone

hood rat chicks that only rock sneakers

let's go wait you know wheels them

alright what else is happening that's

important now you guys are actually

pretty wholesome comparison yes you

friends I know I'm a wholesome guy if

summer still with uh you know I don't

want to talk about summer it okay yeah

yeah okay yeah just [ __ ] yeah they

seem like really in love yeah it's great

I love their relationship I think I

think he's awesome

he he helps her find her confidence and

and a great I know I wish I when to cut

him well he has really unique ways of

saying this just fine he also find the

confidence in what it means to be like

you know what what it means to keep

pushing for to find the love again in

the music because in them in the music

because you do music in your bedroom and

it happens to take off and people love

it now people want to change exactly how

you make music and all the [ __ ]

criticism and scrutiny and the

popularity all the shitty she doesn't

give a [ __ ] about is it kind of

discourages like you know like it's kind

of taken away from what I actually love

about this [ __ ] right right and you know

and we're not crying about the negatives

winning but more so it's just like

sometimes you need people in your corner

to like to help remind you like yeah

like this is this is why we do it

alright and so he's producing it looks

awesome yeah and I was fired she's

producing and providing conference this

that's important yeah yeah and and and

she's adding a lot to his discography as

far as like showing how talented a part

of a producer he is that is true I can't

argue with that

if I say I came on this podcast on that

came out and said I had London on the

track [ __ ] up me too I did I had him

all the way from toe we all did I'll

tell him every time in my yard but how

would I know that he could produce such

an amazing R&B album until you do it

we gotta get yeah yeah because we put

you on a podcast twice it is vrn gonna

buy us a truck yeah yeah farm for your

next three up I got you by the way

whenever [ __ ] say no hell no it was

never happening um alright what else

what else is important in the universe

but then we got to walk record back that

we killed Joe can be honest let's have

honest moment for a second alright I'm

there what we killed that lawyer that

lawyer record is not that bad yeah well

partynextdoor and drake it's not that

bad

we killed it to our little boy not

saying I love it not saying I love the

record but we killed it too early we

killed it swear okay I'll use the words

you just used a not that bad record from

partynextdoor and Drake should be killed

no that doesn't mean it I know I

understand why you say that

but no it doesn't mean that those who

artists should not be putting out not to

bad music together no but we killed it

and that's not even my argument but I

understand what Rory say my argument is

party at this juncture couldn't did not

have the luxury of hey that's not so bad

like I don't think people should be able

to that was the point I was trying to

say we had the conversation I don't

think people should be able to disappear

for a million years and come back with

that's not bad not without us altering

highest in all right I agree what were

you doing trying to reinvent yourself

trying to figure out what you wanted to

say I'm all for that

but when you miss don't we have to don't

we have to acknowledge it and and when

you miss with something that almost

feels like you I don't want to say

chases sound cuz because that click

helped make that sound popular but you

still chasing some old [ __ ] that's you

know what it's not you're not

reinventing yourself you you're going on

some old [ __ ] and it's worse than what

it used to been before you jump anymore

that's a no

part of why y'all are gonna get killed

every sound this decade proudly stems

from y'all and y'all and y'all got the

nerve to run with a sound for too long

like that's this not acceptable I think

that's what it was the the best sounding

part of one if that makes sense like it

was a lower quality of that sound yeah

Tory Lanez shouldn't be able to do that

sound better than y'all know that just

shouldn't happen

your thoughts that it was a good record

I just think that if somebody played our

record cuz I only heard it however many

times will start like baby looked it was

it went it was it was it went in but it

was like you wouldn't opposed to make

that shot of it more man and think about

more more so unique man that was a great

his that's what it was for me like after

listening to it a few more times I'm

like you know what it's not a terrible

record it's just not what we want it let

me hear let me hear

you

every no but I'm trying to subscribe to

what he was saying about about summers

Sam trying to be open and remain

teachable about her sound and her vibe

and party sound like he trying to do

that vibe but still make you party like

you sound relaxed and calm and you want

us to connect with what you're saying

but you want us to jam while we're doing

it well that's that's party in my

opinion it hasn't been in a long time

saying the sound he's built of yours we

haven't loved recently Rory I see what

the problem is me and you mentality a

cold-ass Jersey mall injustice Nobu

Malibu right I have not been at least

joining something your honor something a

lot it's about context I could see why

you we walk in the streets of a story

not 1d I know Jo's joking but that was

kind of why I love to party next door

when he was in - in cold-ass toronto and

was making after the club kick back with

chicks that you just met vibe in the

cold weather

you guys went back to the crib because

that was the only place to go Rory just

made an amazing point there so you're

talking about kind of my problem in

music these when these artists move [ __ ]

gets different oh yeah but that's

natural yeah we know your environment is

dictation sound you create based on your

right yeah being a little nervous when

certain artists not announcing hey I

move check this out huge Oh first of all

just as a fan don't mean that I have to

love every [ __ ] thing they know

absolutely absolutely you don't have to

school I'm just saying that we curated

trash but again again it's about context

do you think the same way you can be

turned into a fan of somebody that you

can just be turned off of a fan from

somebody definitely for sure like what

has to happen for that to happen to

y'all take it I'm a huge party fan you

could say something like an interview

that's like the way they act outside of

music sometimes to turn me off your

artists the older I've gotten into

comes down to whether you make good

music or not okay because because now

with the platform where everyone can say

whatever they want no filter without

even thinking I just stick to music now

like I really hate thinking about like

weird Justin Timberlake stands with me

right now versus where you stood with me

at the beginning of this decade

same with Kanye I could say but we won't

get input you fell you fell off of the

Justin fan train [ __ ] disgusting

those Riggins aren't good he's they're

horrible yeah I agree

and now I'm so mad meek is throwing them

a lifeline

yes yeah he did we haven't heard it I

haven't heard anything from it they just

showed us a little snippet of them doing

a video and I get to thinking back to

see the psychology behind that but I am

so mad at me throw but as me you do

understand him doing that record oh no I

understand it in in a previous context

buy anymore because Justin yeah I feel

that

right I really do mmm and Timberlake is

a great right he's put out amazing

records but Dave's like nah bro he's got

to stop tapping into this [ __ ] like

I'm with him this this this this this

urban strategy to be able to get back

hot again yep no right so just waking

from you don't you don't want Justin to

do that but I'm saying you do help Nick

Nick that will meet the role more

relevant by himself I mean every Justin

Timberlake in the years will just like

at the end of the day you know what it

looks like to me it just looks like a

try yeah it looks like a brand builder

right I just wish I was saying but at

the end of the day I cam I don't want to

say too much on it because if this

record is hard we're gonna be happy

about this for sure as long as okay as

long as good music is the music is the

product I'm with it doctor but if good

music isn't the product and nah I don't

let's go yeah but in another

I disagree with y'all I disagree with as

long as good music is the product what

dreams and nightmares man shouldn't be

with man in the woods man you're right

aesthetically before here not before I

hear anything right but why not though

joke cuz Justin has great lectures with

me

I'm not compared to embolize --is hmm

what he's symbolic of versus what I

won't say what justin is symbolizes

today but look at this [ __ ] this man

in the woods lumberjack this is [ __ ]

corner eat this is this is white corner

to the frame like that kill we killed

homeboy across the world for doing that

same move yeah and we gonna do it well

he didn't have on a flannel with temps

Dino be it's a good flannel to just

mantle with the test thing got to be

held accountable face

yo yo yo yo scrub all the Justin's cuz

Justin Bieber's putting so he's trying

to sneak some [ __ ] out and I ain't over

to harmonize another [ __ ] I'm not I'm

not over harmonizing [ __ ] I don't care

about journals to a white person said

[ __ ] on one point I'm that's what keeps

saying for sure yes not true what you

know where we be in the mirror at home

leaning in today

y'all gonna stop that now he put [ __ ]

with Nagasaki Adler

sym just as you have met said there's no

way Sam would ever let me get that off

what I will say cuz I totally disagree

with them about every white person has

said [ __ ] but I've updated that theory

my theory is every white person has read

[ __ ] instead of in every white person

on this planet has said the word [ __ ]

not maybe in public not towards anybody

but when they had hope I don't I don't

agree that if you think a white person

in the middle of night has not gotten up

to get some water and hit their toe in

the edge of the bed and didn't say

[ __ ] there's only one way to get to

the bottom this man race relations no

parks are said negative or I'm never

like person is said the word was home

trying to tuck his jeans in a sock

exactly put them aside aside said [ __ ]

I'm about to kill him with this

you keep it up our quarry no and not and

not and not in your conscious ways now

but you said it was no no no listen

Rory's a Kappa Kappa right yes Rory's a

cab would you not go tell me Rory when

he was pledging doing that [ __ ] they was

making them do some wow [ __ ] he didn't

go back to his dorm or say these [ __ ]

y'all got this white on the screen you

mean to tell hold up make that play but

he's always dance Joe this is filthy

though they can't see this are legit the

moves oh just dance it oh yeah just let

it play I know this is disis it's the

same moves he was doing in the Pharrell

video when you slipped out in a song

no man you like favorite I grew up come

on man oh it never slipped out Rory you

know I know every white dude is I feel

you take it to the grave I'll take it to

the grave I've read it in my head cuz

how you read it's just unfortunately how

you read it's how you see now you're

supposed to catch yourself look at your

man thoughts

this is crisis gross right this is

crackery yes it's the same knife in his

pocket yes behind him on a [ __ ] me

back yeah you have a job set because

he's in the woods don't want to see

though these are the same exact moves he

was doing what I wanna see Justin

Timberlake to get dig into his white bag

and come out with good product don't go

get with Tim Berlin and give me a hit

don't go get with Pharrell and give me a

hit don't go get with hold

or meek or Brittany and give me a well

sit your white ass down in the studio

alone and come out with something

reputable but that you've done that many

times but that's not win now justin has

never put a hit out by himself no no huh

no no it's all it's crime you're my

brother hit song no no no that's not

just aesthetic justice just an aesthetic

is maintaining safe we're having a

little black in it I'm rolling oh no

you're right there yeah that's a

different bar you made of Justin

Timberlake putting out a hit by himself

no that by his self this always someone

that has given in rarely has he any

artist ever in the world put out a hit

all by themselves

yeah maybe zero artists ever have ever

put a hit out all by themselves

yeah no no his his point was his point

was a white artist teaming up with white

people to do a white record by

themselves damn you try to segregate us

man yeah damn Skippy we have to do that

if after you get with James Fauntleroy

and all of these geniuses you go run

your ass in the woods theory I feel like

I feel like all the [ __ ] that he's

been collaborating with have a vengeance

for trying to get black music back on

top whoa it's already on top but trying

to like re-establish the back on top and

sabotage is negative me oh this is cool

run out there and do the woods [ __ ] I

just don't know why I keep trying it all

music is black music he's nasty so

that's a fact

both I mean hi so far is the country

music whatever I want him to make

whatever music y'all want him to make

black me it's gonna be black knees yeah

period country alternative pop its it's

like that's a new a new point

yeah but make some that [ __ ] you make is

not good at all don't get me wrong I'm

just saying as far as him dancing in oil

he's been doing that he's just doing it

in front of a cabin now instead of a

[ __ ] chicken shack which is nasty

yeah but that's the thing we don't even

want to do it in front of a chicken

shack

[ __ ] was in the suburbs running around

mirrors the [ __ ] in a nice-ass house

running around like this [ __ ] is amazing

right and I think the issue is ever just

[ __ ] in here I'm gonna talk about I'm

sorry and he has no direction because

you know what it is being in sessions

right with these artists and because

they're so disconnected from what is

actually bubbling on the street

[ __ ] be so disconnected that they

don't even give the songwriters

direction to help them make a go record

yeah it's like yo I saw this [ __ ] on

Instagram is Papa key you help me makes

me feel like this and that's where they

put out so that's that's the only reason

why I'm scared for a meek as somebody

that I am a truly a fan of make the song

with Justin because Justin probably yo

like I'm one of the dreams and I won the

dreams nightmares [ __ ] drums but like

yeah I'm saying like can we get meek on

it - of course you gave me a better

Justin Timberlake better not be that you

[ __ ] that typical question get me -

better not be no hmm we won't yeah but

that's what I'm saying that's is she

that we got a [ __ ] rewrite I mean -

one of y'all points about that hip-hop

is nowadays the the number one genre you

don't need the crossover hit the way you

used to you know you don't look over

here actually weakens your [ __ ] my god

when Nicky was in her early career I

understood her crossover thing cuz it

wasn't quite there yet but now hip-hop

is the number one genre in the world you

don't need the crossover record that

yeah but it was hop needs hip hop but it

was next their their crossover it wasn't

a damn high even Nicki did it though

like I like what the starships yeah like

like I mean there's a safe way like

Chris Brown had a safe way of still

making some crossover [ __ ] but still

yeah yeah definitely does it but still

having like a like a sense of some

[ __ ] soul in it yeah I'm saying but

like for example then you see Nicki do

it you like god damn it bro like you're

just gonna go all the way like Rihanna

[ __ ] mastered the idea of [ __ ]

making up crossover record but still

being so how do you Briard it might be

one of how do you make a Calvin silver

records so fool right yeah slice there's

still a way about going about it now

because I do think Calvin Harris says

likes some white so on no no he's

incredible [ __ ] producer help me

now he's incredibly and and he's really

I don't think he's won he knows hip-hop

he's incredible yeah

when Rihanna was making records with

Calvin that was not the gender you got

it we found love the agenda was not to

be so I think Rihanna her thing is she's

always been able to have a sense of

direction and she's always been able to

not lose herself in those men she's also

one of those people that really pays

attention so she does I hate to go into

a studio and say yo I saw the [ __ ] on

Instagram try to recreate the rap see

but y'all keeps talking about people

trying to catch a crossover hit and I'm

gonna believe what is a hit today I

think that people be trying to get

crossover business and they just don't

really know how to go about that other

than the way that we're talking about

now which is hey let me go try to make a

record that will appeal to this this

audience that may not be familiar with

me but maybe there are some other ways

to get your business to crossover and

they just don't know yet right I agree I

think I think the perspective of when

artist does a record that necessarily

aesthetically might not look great is

for international appeal because

Timberlake it's not about the United

States it's about his international

appeal he's [ __ ] huge all around the

world so I can see me saying hi cool

like I wanna [ __ ] go to Stockholm and

do 10,000 people the same I can do it in

Philly and I'm saying so like I maybe I

might need a Justin Timberlake record

right there are different ways what

those ways are are yet to be seen

because we don't know because of the of

the streaming error and it being so

[ __ ] immediate but all I just saved

just for integrity for integrity sakes

because I understand go get your bread

secure that bag if you're gonna do it at

least make sure the record is good

because we were at a point to where we

would do [ __ ] and the record the record

wouldn't be good mmm cuz I understand

his agenda cool on the agenda I'm with

you my [ __ ] go secure the back but make

sure the song is good yeah that's what

I'm saying we gotta wait and see what

stuff some meeting is it tough for me

too I can't kill meek for the Justin

move the way I would like to because he

has been so on point with all of his

brand building moves right in the past

however many years he's done a really

phenomenal

at that even just looking at him next to

Justin it was weird because I was

looking at Mika like look at me look at

this [ __ ] back there in a homeless City

much different it looks different meek

looks like the man and Justin looks like

he's still not over whatever happened

with him in Brittany yes you though by

the way make it the best comeback I've

seen in years

yeah you thought it was over after the

uh I think was over but it definitely

looked dim okay but now you're

contradicting yourself because what do

you mean you following the internet

narrative anyone with some sense knew

was not over Meek Mill that was all

Internet no no no no no Foofa meek no no

no Drake I said I said that in the

middle of its not since like 2020 it's

not saying over because meek was always

gonna be able to make good music that's

not what my mom we were arguing about

how important this perception because

perception is [ __ ] like you lost that

battle with with man's and we and we

perceive you to be battle rapper meek

this is not how you lose I think makes

folk to that I think he said he thought

about you thought it was all right so

but but but but but with what I'm saying

that again and like that's why like I

give credit to me can I his whole

[ __ ] camp whoever's like you know

helping him do his [ __ ] is like his

authenticity has been able to cut

through mmm and I'm curious to see what

there's a separate legal record does

because Nick is so authentic and he's

now gonna do some [ __ ] that doesn't

represent who he is I'm gonna say that

that record is gonna be fired

I'm gonna jump out there and said I

don't think it's a hot take to say

Justin seven-legged Meek Mill can't make

great music

jump no I'm not going and thinking it's

gonna be trash

I'm putting money that's probably not

gonna be that good though I don't think

I didn't think me you had to do it but

because it's not meek it's not mixed

record is it no no it's it yeah it is a

JT so so so with what I'm saying is that

the controls out of Meeks hands well he

did [ __ ] with Ryan no because why would

they be hashtag and rock nation I mean

well you know Justin and Jay got to just

video Jay and that's from Meeks is that

enough from Meeks account

oh no that's some some random stranger

hashtag rock nation

yeah and in because they have a big

isn't a background a going towards

Justin like just I was like oh yeah I

ain't think I was here Joe they also

hashtag new video and coming soon there

so I wouldn't take ours oh you know what

will be [ __ ] hard if you see took

Justin off at the last minute no no just

put hi what will be our scene in this

this with this one I stand for [ __ ]

appropriation all the way will be

hardest [ __ ] if Justin shot the video

in Philly that's hard cut the hole

that's not hard

no that's hot as fire yeah what is wrong

with [ __ ] justice that's not that's fire

oh if then happily bikes in Philly sing

cry me a river type hit get on the dirt

bike it's like a rock you can't go from

the cabin in the woods to win the only

way out the only way he could get that

off as if he got a chick on a bike with

him you damn rats qabil ain't gonna sink

crises most in Crimea River in it and

then he got he got Micah's protection

he's got it

I'm witty I don't ever want that's a

video ever like in Philadelphia on a

dirt bike

I don't ever want to see Justin in

Philly I would Memphis I believe no way

is he really fun visiting from Memphis

well he's going back those roots that's

what I said let him rot he's a country

boy let him rot didn't get that negative

[ __ ] out of here

it's fine though cuz jacquees told us

these remix and all y'all [ __ ] next year

so who cares about original mmmm I think

people should get off this kid - did

Suja Cui's yes

jockeys is a [ __ ] trip no point what

you did there

no I do [ __ ] with him oka that's but

that's what I'm saying like he said this

name buddy killed my god do your own

songs Sammy just put out his own album

with 21 songs on it it was man long and

it was good and it was called the king

of all those dead it was good yeah it

wasn't bad yeah I mean that's like it

will stay and love it but I didn't is

good it wasn't the middle Wow

why that's so shocking that Jack weeds

without a good route no no I listen to

it Oh spicy we like our be love harm

boom

hold up man hold up hold up hold up

uh-huh

Chuck we yes sir Otto dig it - yes sir

Otto come over to defense case what

month was this that this came out

October spend enough time like a couple

weeks up maybe was like the party record

you had to go back get a little live oh

damn was okay

it wasn't come on guys tireless okay

when have you ever say yo let's lie that

job please I don't understand some of

the crews before we go great somebody

took well Rick but what what are you

would album when you plan no Joe are you

know he was [ __ ] on Jacques we so

much so no no I think he's a good artist

I just think that I was not good is this

all good and this is not all now all

right

isn't that one ago yeah but why would

you play the song examina because it

sound like you saying he can't know what

good said he doesn't like this I just

don't like that one either let me get

you down there all right

I think I out mad no direction you're

just playing one song is not saying it's

good out and summers on album by the way

this is this this is that song this is

this all you don't like the song no

interesting

okay oh boy and the mixers awful let's

just settle like a telephone come on man

knock it off just me you put out a good

album legs you Joe Budden I'll wax

calling [ __ ] you call the party record

thrashing you say this is a good album

good god here we gotta stop that like we

also don't do this oh good our podcast

on wax it doesn't go on record is our

wax it says that somebody produced good

music like why do you think Johnny we

either have to why do we have to be

extremist all the time like why how come

because it's not firefighter raises they

say that would you say it's not good I

said it good good for me good for me is

60% fair good is 60% for me this is a

fist is 20 oh [ __ ] what is the beef

between jock Wiese and black that's beef

between jock you see I just created

something no I don't like that but see

Joe but that's funny that you say that

because to me it's the same thing with

what you're saying about summers love

show like you're saying just because

she's not doing things a certain way did