Church Pimps Feat. Benny The Butcher
Joe Budden Podcast Episode 365, “Church Pimps Feat. Benny The Butcher,” released July 27, 2020. Benny The Butcher pulls up to the podcast and discusses how he rapped his way into success. He also talks signing to a record deal, new music, and he gives his thoughts on what's currently going on in the culture. Full transcript and searchable timestamps below.

Joe Budden Podcast Ep. 365 Transcript
Full transcript of Church Pimps Feat. Benny The Butcher (56:07 long). Search it, or click any timestamp to jump to that moment.
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Microphone check. 1 -2 -1 -2. Is this thing on? Yo, yo, yo. No, it's
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on. It's on. But you gotta do that. We've been recording. But you gotta do
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that for a fact. Yeah, I got you. Microphone check. 1 -2. We have
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a very, very, very special guest in the building with us. Let off a
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gunshot. Friend of the show. So real of a guest,
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I didn't even sit Indian style no more when this gentleman...
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came inside the room. I noticed you... Your tone changed.
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Yes, sir. You ain't been around rappers in a while, huh? Fam. That's true. Fam.
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We're honored here. right now. Finally. This is a long time coming. Yeah. Benny,
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I'm surprised that we haven't spoken face -to -face sooner, I will be honest with
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Let me be honest with you. Let me hit the round of applause button. you.
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Let me hit the round of applause button. Benny the Butcher. is in the building.
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He came. Maul got it done. Maul finally got something done.
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Cash dog next. Don't worry about it. Yeah, right. Is her man going to allow
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it? You proved you could seal the deal with the guys. Yeah, with the fellas.
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With men. Benny the Butcher, how are you feeling? How are you doing?
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I'm great. I'm great. You know this COVID shit going on. I'm just ready to
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get back to work. I'm hungry. I'm great. I'm great. I feel you, man. I'm
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hungry, man. I'm happy to be up there, man. It looks like you've been working,
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though. Nah, hold up. Hold up, man. Remember, you know how that feeling is. You
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used to talk like that. Hold up, man. Hold up for a minute, man. Let
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me get my shit off right quick. Get your shit off. Oh. This that
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shit right here. this that shit mic check one two one two who want a
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verse who want a verse This that shit. Mic check. One, two, one. you want
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a verse who want a verse we're giving out verses his verse is okay on
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this yeah all right what was up with you that day man shit what was
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going on with you i was that moment in time i'm always eager to prove
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myself you know i'm saying i'm the underdog i i'm comfortable in that position and
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that's that's that seemed like that's my permanent position but it's incentives in that incentives
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and that so i'm the underdog so so benny for the millions of people listening
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right so i'm the underdog so so benny for the now let's start with and
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is the mic good the sound is good because i sound a little reverby but
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i'm good do i sound luxurious for the millions of people listening that's your
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story right your story is look at me about to say the story and you
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sitting here but the guy that just wrapped his way to where he is right
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is would i be correcting that no you're right tell me about that or tell
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the audience about that shit basically coming up from buffalo that or tell the audience
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about that you know no motherfucking rapper ever came out of buffalo
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you know i'm saying and west side gun got the opportunity him and conway they
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smashed shit you know i'm saying you know we got a lot of uh late
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people on the griselda but originally i wasn't part of griselda even though those are
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my blood cousins knowing my whole life they was doing like i said i'm i'm
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i'm i'm 35 i'm an older person I've been doing this shit on my own
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on my own see i got my own shit was doing him I was like
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see I got my own shit now so when he i've been doing this shit
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oh shit I was still doing features for them niggas like yo come get on
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this and they were still giving me features but when I realized what he had
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going on he was he brought me along and you know I just had to
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rap my way into this shit it ain't no gimmicks when you rapping over Derringer
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beats and hip -hop beats it ain't no gimmicks it's bars you know I'm saying
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there's nothing to hide behind I came into this shit you know I'm saying like
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niggas know what type of person i am i right before i got on type
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of person I am right i fucked my money up a couple years before that
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you know you know the stories from the rhymes i was doing my thing i
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got fucked up chasing music invested in myself because i'm always always been a music
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man you know i'm saying i know how to sell dope but i know how
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to rap way better you know i'm saying so it's like i invested in myself
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i found myself being fucked up i didn't care i had another run in the
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city i'm the old faithful from back home i had another run in the city
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so i was cool with that got it you feel what i'm saying i was
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cool with building on that but man i i got i got around buzzing him
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and he did what he had to do and conway them niggas schooled me to
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this shit how it going i paid attention to everything i didn't need nobody to
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hold my hand and i wrapped my way into this shit well well when did
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you first start to realize that all right i'm not just a nice cousin anymore
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this is it's different now uh i i've always knew that i feel
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like the people realized it when maybe maybe tana talked you know what i'm saying
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is that when maybe maybe tana talk you know what i'm saying and i still
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kind of feel like they was late on that that's me that's me i kind
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of feel they was late still but you know i mean you take it with
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a grain of salt man you know how this shit go and your first and
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your first impression of this industry has been what this far
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is is nothing joyous and celebratory oh
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yeah of course because, you know, we making legal money and we get to live
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money and we and we get the You know, we dreamed about your family
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a life that, you know what I'm saying? because you know we we making legal
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good, mama, kids and niggas around you good. So, of course, but it's not what
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people think it is, you know what I'm saying? They think it's romantic. There's nothing
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romantic about the business. And that's cool. It's business. You feel what I'm saying? People
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think you a rapper, you rich and you got jewelry and you this and you
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that. Like, it's black and white to people who don't understand what's going on. so
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right people people think you motherfucking just because you people think you're a millionaire So
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people people think you motherfucking just because you people think you. or they think you're
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sitting next to hove all the time or some crazy shit i think you're a
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millionaire you know what i'm saying i'm to be honest with you i'm not a
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millionaire i'm not a millionaire i think you have more i'm worth i think i
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think you've been offered millions of dollars of course i turned that down of course
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hold on man look at you have a big pop in heaven hold on of
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course i turned i turned all these record labels i'm not saying that i turned
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them And then I turned him down on no cocky shit, it's just the business
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business wasn't right you know what i'm saying right right i'm Right, right. You know
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wasn't right, you know what I'm saying? down on no cocky shit it just the
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what I'm saying? I'm not a young nigga, I'm not a little nigga, so it's
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like, the numbers don't seem right, and I got my own team, I don't mind
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doing the work. saying Explain to me where you learned that from, though. As a
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newer artist, yeah, you're 35, but you're a newer act, you've got money and
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lost money, and now here's this legal opportunity with millions being thrown in your face,
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yet you have the worth all to walk away from it as yet you have
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the wherewithal to walk away from it. even being from where we come from how
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do you pick that up basically it's a step a lot of new niggas miss
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is why i'm right i learned a lot from dj shea before before uh we
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was signing grizel to me uh conway was signing dj shea right here i'm saying
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i learned i learned the piece from him i learned a lot from spesh i
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learned a lot from west side gun Westside Gun, and just other people. I
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really learned it from niggas I've been around. Nothing on some industry shit. By the
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time I seen Wes doing it, that was like the icing on the cake. It
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was like, damn, all you gotta do is do this, all you gotta do is
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know this person. It's just about applying the shit. People be scared to apply the
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shit. They be scared to make them phone calls or push the envelope. I'm not
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one of them niggas. People are scared to do the work. Yeah, you know what
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what I'm saying? That's why people say, like, how you got your own, you got
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I'm saying? That's why people say how you got to deal with E1. You know
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to deal with E1 for your niggas, you got to put yourself on. It's like,
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it was in front of me. It was possible. So it wasn't like, you know
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what I mean? It wasn't a stretch. It was like, it was offers on the
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tape. I said, OK, let's do this. Well, yeah, what made the rock deal make
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sense, considering y 'all had done everything by yourselves and established yourselves by yourselves? Killing
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March game, selling out shows, selling the music by yourselves. what made the rock one
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make sense elliot who you know i mean uh just
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because every since i got What made the rock one make sense? got the introduction
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people really didn't hear about me till maybe 2000 the regular people not y 'all
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y 'all been there y 'all don't count niggas probably didn't hear about me till
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2018 but fresh in from this shit fresh from the projects to sleeping in a
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room at west side gun house they were showing love before we was even signed
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over there it was a mutual relationship oh come You've been signed over there. It
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was a mutual relationship. Oh, come down to the office or anything we could do
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the office or anything
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or send me some records. It was like that. So I built myself up and
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then thought it was time. So it ain't like I, you know what I mean?
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So I feel comfortable over there because we, we knew those guys already. down to
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How important is it to, uh, to maintain that attitude of, because you said you
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turned down million dollar deals and how important is it, you know, for these young
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cats to understand, like you can't miss what you never had. That's my attitude. A
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that's my attitude a lot of the times like cats like to jump to the
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lot of the times like cats like to jump. and miss what you never had
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first thing because they like oh shit i've never been a millionaire but it's like
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yeah exactly you've never been so if you say no what's the difference you know
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i mean like how important is that to you to maintain certain certain values that
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you was raised with and that you had the obstacles you had to overcome in
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the streets and apply it to business man it's it's super important because you know
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when you when you get in a position like like myself or even like y
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'all self or even like y 'all you know i'm saying like responsibility come with
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this shit right so you know i'm saying like responsibility come with this can't go
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willy -nilly just doing shit for clout or just because you want the money like
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these decisions that affect you i've been here ever since i got into the industry
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i hear don't sign a deal don't sign a deal don't sign a deal don't
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sign a deal so even though i might end up doing it it's nothing that
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i'm in a rush to do right you got to enjoy this and you got
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to see what everybody's talking about like if i sign a deal on some bullshit
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going on i'm gonna feel like the dumbest nigga in the room because like niggas
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because like niggas told me like niggas who've been through this so you don't have
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told me like niggas who've been through this you know this nigga in the room
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a deal no i don't i don't you know what i'm saying do you want
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a deal or you think you're gonna just stay independent this is what i want
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i want i want a bigger profile which i want the bigger budgets and i
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and i profile and i heard a big check you know what i'm saying so
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i don't need to i don't need to maybe sign with a label for that
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but that's what i want you know i'm saying i'm trying to get i'm trying
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to every i'm trying to make every move bigger than the next one you know
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know what I'm saying? I'm hustling. So you wanted to wait when the Shady Deal
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what i'm saying i'm hustling so you wanted to wait when the shady deal You
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was presented to Wes and Gunn. You still wanted to just wait it out? No!
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Hell no! it's just a blessing how it felt.
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I was living in a project during that time. The projects where I wasn't even
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from. This is not even my hood. You know what I'm saying? Right. So it
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was dangerous. In Buffalo? Yeah, yeah. So it was like, of course,
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was like, of course.
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y 'all about to sign a shady as my name in that paperwork. So it
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What's going on? Like, hell yeah. I'm a kid out of Buffalo. But when it
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didn't happen, I wasn't like, I wasn't upset about it. I knew I trusted Westside
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and Conway from jump. That's one thing about me. That's one thing we all family.
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I know how business is. Sometimes you might not see eye to eye, but as
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long as you trust somebody, we good. You feel what I'm saying? We figure that
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out so i trust everything he was telling me and it came to fruition you
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know what I'm saying? So i was i wanted the deal but when it didn't
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happen i also i'm also reaping the benefits right now of not signing that deal
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you feel what i'm saying you better believe it i think so how many of
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these dudes how many of these dudes in the industry that you thought was cool
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because now we're about to talk some real shit how many of these dudes you
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thought was cool looking from afar and you actually get in the room but then
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we'll get around them and you know this nigga's a goofy um a couple because
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that's some that's something that happens A couple of niggas. Because that's something that happens
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a lot in this game. like you mean Like you meet dudes from the outside
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looking in that you think is cool and you know that you look up to.
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And then when you meet them, you're like, oh, I'm cooler than this nigga. No,
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real shit, real shit. Oh, I'm better than this nigga. I see that. I think
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a lot of niggas been affected by this game. This money and this fame and
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this shit, this shit do shit to people. This shit is dangerous. And when I
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see people acting weird, I get niggas a benefit of the doubt. Making niggas a
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benefit of the doubt. I'm like, yo, this shit tore him apart. You know what
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I'm saying? And everybody can't handle this shit. That's why I tell people it's not
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for everybody. Yeah, we love the money, like I said, the lifestyle. But if I
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could have made this type of money selling rows of tissue, I probably wouldn't be
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sitting here. I'd probably be selling rows of tissue. Like real shit. So if niggas
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knew, it's not about the clout chasing, the dick eating, the ass kissing. It's not
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about that. That's all these niggas want to do. All these niggas is chasing the
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same shit. And it's really not about that. It's about building your own brand. niggas
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was telling me about how when I first came in how niggas like yo Niggas
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was telling me about how when I first. Why why them niggas never post your
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shit? Why them niggas never post your shit? That worked out for me because if
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you looking for some Benny shit You don't got to go to Westside page account.
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Come to my page. Come here. That works out for me But everybody want that
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stepping stool. I'm telling you when you take the stairs everything worth it I got
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about three hundred three hundred and seven thousand followers. That's that's a lot to me
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But guess what when I had seven thousand followers, I was still selling merch 7
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,000 followers, I was still selling merch. I was still getting features. right? My algorithms
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was still My algorithms were still nuts. Y 'all niggas was playing my shit. I
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was good. That follower count is very misleading. For sure. Oh yeah, hell yeah. A
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300 ,000 where you'll see an actual kickback of the percentage of the people that
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buy things out of that followers is way more valuable than having 2 million followers
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and they're just there for the salacious shit, for the follow. I'm not really here
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to purchase anything or listen to anything you have to say. I'm just a follower
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count like you're not monetizing any I'm just a follower count. of your followers that's
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that whole when it'd be artists to have what three million followers and sell 10
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,000 records absolutely right because it's hard for them to interpretate that clout don't equals
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money they believe that shit because they see they see it done so they believe
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it so it's a way to do it some people capitalize off the clout shit
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and it's a way to do it but you know at the end of the
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day you don't want to put who you are as a person like certain ethics
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and morals that and values that are embedded in you you don't ethics and morals
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that and values that want to put that to the side for a check exactly
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and i feel like that's what griselda represents y 'all represent a different way of
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doing things like we good on our own you know i'm saying it it'll be
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an honor for y 'all to fuck with us right not the other way around
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and i think that's important even you know we talk about that a lot it's
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important for you to tell these bigger companies like yo we really don't need y
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'all it's the other way y 'all need us like where the we have Like,
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we have the product. We have the cool. Our culture is cool. Our culture sells
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everything in the world. the product we have the cool our culture is cool And
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I think what Griselda's been able to do is y 'all been able to show
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people, like, stay down, stay real with each other, keep your core together. As long
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as you keep that core together, things come to fruition and things happen. I agree.
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Yeah, but then you'll step out and try to serve him up a girly verse
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on a Russ record. Yeah. That verse was stupid. I
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wasn't mad at that crossover. That verse was stupid. No, no, no. No, not at
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all. But I'm just saying. easy for us to just get pigeonholed into boom
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-bappity -bap. But no, you're talking about some other stuff, man. That girl verse on
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Rush album, hold up, buddy. No, listen, because I want to address that, because I
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want people to know that. I'm a musician. Before niggas ever heard of me, I
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was rapping over trap beats before niggas ever heard of me. That's what I know
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how to do. Like I said, I keep referring back to my age to point
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out, like, I've been through them eras. I was in the studio during all these
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eras. I was. You feel what I'm saying? So I've been in the dip set
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era. I'm in the lab, the Jeezy era, the self era, all the eras. I'm
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still in the studio cooking. So don't think that I could just go with one
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hand. I saw the clip of Conway rapping over some snap beats from 2003. We
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get busy, especially him. We get busy with this shit. You ain't like that verse
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on Rush Joint? I did. all right i like the russia i've liked all of
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I've liked all of you. i'm doing i'm doing what i do at the
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your i've liked all your feature verses i'm All right. I like the Rush shit.
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beginning of an artist's career who i like that gets into the feature bag when
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people realize they're dope i'm waiting for you to sound like all right he's tired
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of doing these features or he's now he's now venturing into a land that he's
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unfamiliar with on the rust beat you sounded comfortable when it was uh rumblings of
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this fucking drake benny song It was like, okay, that that doesn't sound out
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of his realm it was like okay Like I can see that but that other
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song I like that y 'all fucking killed Pete Rock went dumb on
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that beat. Yeah, I got a record with a cash dog You know what I'm
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saying? Oh, I like I did mall set that up. No Nothing to do with
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that. You don't have to look at that. No, I did not in order nothing.
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to do with that. What's the name of that record? Cut it with the Butcher?
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What's the name of that record? Cut it with the butcher Oh, that had nothing
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Nah, nah. It's called... Butcher Doll? It's one of them records. It might be called
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Bad Bitch. Hey! Okay, so you talking your shit on there. All right.
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The bitches is going to love a nigga after this. Are we allowed to talk
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about the Hit Boy album? Yeah, hell yeah. That's about to come out in September.
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To Joe's point of being on different beats outside of the Derringer Alchemist sound that
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From the sound that you guys have kind of established, that Hit -Boy album,
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of established. Right. Thank you.
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you want some shit that you've never been on beat -wise. you guys have kind
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Right, right, right. Can you tell the world anything about it now? I'm not going
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to tell your story for an album that's not out. On that album, I'm digging
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deep, I'm talking about shit I never spoke about, and it's Hit -Boy, you know
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what I'm saying? We already know what he do, we already know what he's capable
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of, and people probably think, it's more a hit boy coming to my side than
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side than me going. And it's not even him coming to our side because he's
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me going to where people think I'm going. it's more Hit -Boy coming to my
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a producer. And he's malleable. He know how to do what he know how to
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do. So it's like, it's going to be crazy. It's going to be 10 times
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more than what the fuck I've been on. And I'm hungry. That's why I haven't
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dropped the album in 14 months because I've been catering to that. So that could
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come out. I want that to come out. You feel what I'm saying? so i
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So I got the plugs I met, too, with Harry Frog.
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got the plugs i met too with harry frog and so which one's coming first
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oh the hit boy joint do you have a burden of proof it's called burden
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of proof it's called burden of september september i'm saying i don't know
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they might be mad at me for saying dates and shit but y 'all niggas
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told me september so i'm saying it yeah it's cool where are you leaning towards
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in terms of signing or or releasing your debut
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it was it was a record label you know what i'm saying shout out to
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them but it just it just didn't fall how we everybody wanted it to fall
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but and i'm certain at some point i'm certain at some point with all the
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griselda's success that paul or shady would have had to inquire about your standings
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they have they have they have but like i said it's all love over
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there with them it's just kind of to me it's by time everybody it's like
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i've been around but everybody coming to me at once once once right and it's
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like it's kind of a headache to deal with i know that shit sound no
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i know how it is that's how the broads be with me man i've been
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here for i've been here for so long y 'all since pump it up yeah
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y 'all all hitting me at the same time like you relate no
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you relate it. I get it, though. So I hate to
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sound ungrateful. I appreciate the position. It's a good problem to have. But it's like,
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you know what I mean? It's a lot to deal with. And it's not like
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I don't got shit going on. You know what I'm saying? When I was hungry,
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when I needed it, and when I thought it could work for me, it was
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crickets. Right. You know what I'm saying? It was crickets. Well, that's kind of the
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catch -22 of that situation because you put in the groundwork when maybe you would
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have liked a major label budget or a major label push on promotion. You made
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your label push on promotion, but now that you put yourself in that position, why
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even bother signing with it? But now that you put yourself in that position, No
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real shit. Because you proved that you don't need to do that. And a couple
- 19:26
labels I met with don't even know what the fuck going on. They in the
- 19:29
business of it, so they hear my name. They just know I'm hot. They don't
- 19:32
know shit going on. They just know the word on the street says we need
- 19:34
to sign him. So they don't know shit. And I'm like, hell no, I'm not
- 19:38
doing nothing like that. Because this has got to be handled with care, and I'd
- 19:41
rather not do that. Like I said, responsibility come with this shit. so it's like
- 19:45
So it was crazy, though. on and some labels don't on some g shit
- 19:45
it it was crazy though like some labels don't even know what the fuck going
- 19:51
don't want to just necessarily be in business with me they just trying to be
- 19:55
in business with wes or brazil does so oh yeah we'll take benny you know
- 19:58
i'm saying so it became it became weird you know i'm saying it became weird
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so i'm i'm back chilling now i'm back on my independent run for a second
- 20:06
fuck it well tell tell our audience of millions how you're making so much
- 20:12
money in merch you like that, right?
- 20:19
How am I doing that shit? Penetrate all this cool shit. A core audience.
- 20:25
you know what I'm saying? A real one. These boys be throwing that shit on,
- 20:28
too. No, it's great. And it's dope, and it's quality. And what we do is,
- 20:33
I was telling somebody this is, I came to a point where I've been doing
- 20:37
this since 2017, And I was 20 20. I've been doing it for three years.
- 20:40
three years, They spend their money and they they'd be in my dm like yo
- 20:41
So the fans buy this shit and now it's 2020, I've been doing it for
- 20:44
I don't like this cut shirt you made or why you put this right there
- 20:47
or don't use this and I listened to what they said Till it till it
- 20:50
got to this point, you know, I'm saying so I kind of feel like is
- 20:53
the people who brought by is their product They helped me make it. They told
- 20:56
me what type of shit to buy They gave me feedback on it and I
- 21:00
make it for them if they start complaining about this shit today I make it
- 21:04
how they want it. You know, I'm saying that's dope and plus don't forget That's
- 21:06
dope. And plus, don't forget, you know what I'm saying, Big Buzz, West Side Gun,
- 21:09
you know what I'm saying? I'm just really playing my position and following suit and
- 21:15
being a smart nigga. Some niggas, you got to hold their hand. I'm not a
- 21:18
person who got to – you don't got to hold my hand, you know what
- 21:19
I'm saying? So I'm just learning, sitting back and watching. Well, as a consumer, I
- 21:23
have a complaint. I have things to do during the day, so I can't sit
- 21:27
there and refresh the page every two seconds and try to catch a T -shirt
- 21:30
because it's sold out five minutes after I – It's after I... Somebody need to
- 21:34
teach these niggas what a care package means. What? You just came in on swing,
- 21:38
on swing, on swing, no guests, nigga. Yeah, I got a whole mailbox I walk
- 21:43
through, nigga. Yo, I got a phone number I'ma leave, y 'all. And y 'all
- 21:46
see... Don't fucking Mike Jones me. If y 'all niggas see I drop some shit,
- 21:52
just text that number. Text the address to send it to and the size and
- 21:55
the color y 'all want. That's one thing about Benny, though. He will make sure
- 21:57
your shit is... I'ma drop the number, man. Shout out my boy Tony Deniz. He
- 21:59
out my boy, Tony Deniz. He holding it down. He's sending fucking shirts all over.
- 22:01
holding it down. He's sending fucking shirts all over the fucking world right now. Shout
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You know what I'm saying? Let's talk about BSF. Let's talk about... You've got a
- 22:10
project coming, right? Yeah, yeah. We got the fucking... Next week? The Respected Sopranos
- 22:15
dropping July 31st. And these boys are going crazy. I told you. When that shit
- 22:20
come out, it's going to make these niggas popular. They're going to be... shit going
- 22:23
to be crazy. The bitches. Self -respecting women. the self
- 22:29
-respecting ladies is who we mean. The self -respecting... You're gonna love this for Zelda
- 22:35
shit. Not real shit, but these dudes... How many of them are rappers? You came
- 22:39
here with a hundred people. I didn't know if it was the rapper clan or
- 22:42
real rappers. This right here, this is heme. right here, you know what I'm saying?
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You can't duplicate the feeling that he gave you on a mic. You know what
- 22:49
I'm saying? This pops is a legend from the hood. He's bread, he'd do that.
- 22:52
This nigga Rick Hardy's hungry, you know what I'm saying? you know i'm saying he
- 22:54
crazy with the words like i said i love niggas whose pops was a legend
- 22:57
in He's crazy with the words. I love niggas whose pops was a legend. the
- 22:57
hood no real shit no i'm serious you know i mean we got dj shea
- 23:03
you know he produced 18 willer crowns for kings he produced uh majority of the
- 23:07
project so you know this this is the team i got i got uh love
- 23:11
boat luciano we got motherfucking young world flex but these dudes right here they the
- 23:16
ones who push an envelope we got jonesy we gotta who's who's dealing with uh
- 23:20
mr grumblet uh that's somebody over there at at e1 alan good
- 23:26
old good old alan i don't know i'm mr grumblet uh you got somebody over
- 23:29
old i don't know i'm old i don't know shit i kick it with alan
- 23:30
all the time i didn't know if alan was still there come on rory kick
- 23:35
it with alan and sean all the time you know them weekly meetings and shit
- 23:39
make this shit work what's up with camino i ain't seen him around camino you
- 23:43
don't see camino like that because camino is on that probation shit okay he got
- 23:48
knocked with a gun a couple years ago and he been on probation a couple
- 23:49
years ago and he's been on probation so that's why he's been spotty on the
- 23:52
tour on the tour runs and shit like that because he's not able to travel
- 23:56
But you know Camino still working he on a new album that we about to
- 23:59
drop okay So we don't got a lot of shit in the stash. Camino's an
- 24:01
animal hooky monster me and him. We did our rise together. No, so I fuck
- 24:06
with Camino I don't want to be the guy to add to any of the
- 24:10
division rumors that you guys have been addressing lately because that's not who I am
- 24:15
but i have to ask who raps better
- 24:24
you or conway uh i would say let me be honest let me let me
- 24:29
show you how let me show you something when we had this conversation what i
- 24:33
what i say the other day when we just said it yesterday who i say
- 24:35
rap better honestly say conway rap better you're good man i'm saying you
- 24:41
got to remember though, these is my big cousins. I came, before I could get
- 24:43
came i before i could get on the mic i used to
- 24:44
on the mic, I used to sit right there, and the mic was set up
- 24:46
right there, and I used to sit and watch these niggas kill the mic, and
- 24:49
I was too shy to spit my shit. though these is my big cousins i
- 24:51
That's how I feel Rory and Maul should view me. Like, yo, before they
- 24:57
was able to pod, they just looked at me. And they come in here and
- 25:02
act like, you know, act like, that's cool, that's cool. Yeah, I respect it, I
- 25:06
respect it. That changes for me though, that changes for me between you and Conway,
- 25:10
that changes almost like. every other week. Soul by soul. Yeah, like when Conway decided
- 25:15
to go on his, I love when he get on IG drunk and just start
- 25:17
playing shit he ain't supposed to play. Yeah, so he get crazy. Yeah, I love
- 25:19
that. He has great IG lives. Yeah, like that's when I'm like, yo, Conway is
- 25:23
different. But then it's, you know, then you'll put something out. And just the way
- 25:27
you flip certain shit to me, like, because it's not what you say, it's how
- 25:31
you say it. We've heard a thousand bars on how to flip, you know, different
- 25:35
scenarios from the hood and all. but the way you do it is just a
- 25:38
little different i don't But the way you do it is just a little different.
- 25:39
know if it's because of the buffalo thing and then y 'all experience is different
- 25:43
from buffalo but the way you flip certain metaphors and certain schemes it's like i
- 25:49
know that scheme but i never heard it that way and i think between you
- 25:53
and conway i think y 'all it's a great thing though like that y 'all
- 25:56
i feel like y 'all push each other like you'll hear conway say something you're
- 25:59
like oh no i gotta go crazy no real shit i think that's something that
- 26:02
y 'all gotta keep that. Like, don't ever lose that. it's like that man don't
- 26:06
nothing I'm gonna be honest, don't nothing get me in mode better than hearing him
- 26:10
play some new shit. You know what I mean? I ain't gonna lie, before the
- 26:13
song go over, I'm ready to go to the studio. Right. You know what I
- 26:16
mean? You know that feeling, that competitive feeling, that shit sounds so crazy, I feel
- 26:20
like I'm not on my job. You make me wanna rap. I gotta say it
- 26:25
to you, man. I won't, I will not do it. But every time I listen
- 26:30
I listen to you, it's like, I see what this nigga trying to do, man.
- 26:30
to you, it's like, alright, I see what this nigga's trying to do. Every time
- 26:33
I see where, I see where, like, how does that, I hate to ask him,
- 26:37
but how does that feel? Like, how does it feel that, yeah, we in the
- 26:41
industry, so you got to deal with industry shit, but then there's this subreddit of
- 26:46
the spitters where the conversation changes now and the criteria
- 26:52
changes now. And where you're regarded there in this small sample
- 26:58
size, small sample of time. here in this small sample size small sample of time
- 27:00
is like niggas respect that pen right right speak to it you know that's
- 27:05
that's crazy you know what i'm saying like i said i came i came from
- 27:09
i'm old faithful i've been i'm the neighborhood local rap nigga who've been trying this
- 27:13
who've been going at it for years everybody knew me so to be in this
- 27:17
spot i'm just thankful and i'm humble and that's that's a blessing to be in
- 27:21
i dreamed of that shit and and speaking about when i first came in, like
- 27:24
I said, I came in broke. I seen these niggas having, wearing kicks and designer,
- 27:24
in broke i've seen these niggas having wearing I'm like, okay,
- 27:28
having rollies and shit on, Conway and West. came in like i said i came
- 27:31
they about to sign me, so I know I'm about to get some money at
- 27:33
least. I don't got to run around in the streets for it. And then a
- 27:35
couple months later, a couple years later, I realized, nah, fuck that. I got to
- 27:39
run at the throne around this motherfucker. You know what I'm saying? So to have
- 27:42
a run at the throne, a legitimate run at the throne, I feel like, I
- 27:46
thank God every day for it. I was just telling these niggas the other day,
- 27:49
it's like, every day I'm getting in a booth, I'm trying to Joe Pesci38 every
- 27:52
trying to joe pesci 38 every day i get in there you feel what i'm
- 27:53
day I get in. i'm getting in a in a booth i'm trying to i'm
- 27:54
saying so i'm hungry for this shit um let me take a hard left turn
- 28:00
long -standing relationship as i heard when you were in miami having a difficult time
- 28:04
um yeah my baby it's rough i understand
- 28:09
speak to me are there any new problems going on at home like new beefs
- 28:14
new arguments new triggers shit you wasn't aware of that's here now because of the
- 28:19
position that you're in uh nah and to be honest with you that's why i'm
- 28:24
really with that girl because females can't handle it like i said when i met
- 28:29
her i was a already a legend in the city so with shit she'd been
- 28:33
getting used to shit before this point and it's like she took this journey with
- 28:37
me and i'm saying like she know when she like you said you used to
- 28:39
hear the song where her father knew me by the time she met me like
- 28:42
you talked to this nigga you know i'm saying so it's like I already was
- 28:45
a popular person and she and she dealt with that pretty good and I had
- 28:45
person and she and she dealt with that I
- 28:49
ex -girlfriends who couldn't handle this shit it was like i already was a popular
- 28:51
don't speak to the bitch if she ain't speak to me. It's my party. This
- 28:53
shit packed full. I'm the man of the hour You know what I'm saying? All
- 28:56
type of crazy shit. So rule number one If you're gonna be with a female,
- 29:02
she gotta learn how to accept this to the, you know what I'm saying? She
- 29:05
ain't gonna accept the crazy shit like you Sleeping with 30 bitches and no crazy
- 29:08
shit like that, but she knows it's gonna be nights out she knows gonna be
- 29:11
the females gonna hound you she know what this shit come with and longer to
- 29:15
me i'm a i'm a like a relationship specialist too on some g shit really
- 29:19
maybe you can help me no real shit i am long as me i take
- 29:22
my girl everywhere that nip a lot of shit in the bud sometimes it get
- 29:25
on my nerves because it'd be sometimes i feel like my homies don't want to
- 29:30
be they self around her right sometimes i get on my nerves but it should
- 29:33
keep me out of trouble right you know what i'm saying strategy yeah especially on
- 29:37
tour and shit yeah i'm a bringer you know what I mean? Real shit. Share
- 29:41
this with her. That's a page out of the Joe book. Joe used to have
- 29:46
him. You know, we call those church pimps. Yeah. Now, Joe is a church pimp
- 29:52
now that I think about it. Joe used to keep his on the tour bus
- 29:55
with him. He was the first nigga doing that for sure. Why are you looking
- 30:00
at me while you're playing this record? I never understood why the rapper is always...
- 30:04
there's always now that now this is different y 'all don't jump me here y
- 30:09
'all are different Now, this is different. Y 'all don't jump me here. because you
- 30:10
actually have like a label situation with these gentlemen uh and it's your people from
- 30:13
uh from home but i never understood why rappers got the deal and then wanted
- 30:18
to hang out with just like mad dicks like that's not who i ever was
- 30:23
like i hate dicks no that's good that's good that you hate dicks yes don't
- 30:28
do that mo what if i was gay uh yeah but what i mean is
- 30:32
like I mean, it's like, niggas are a bill, niggas are a bill, niggas will
- 30:38
get you in a fight niggas are niggas are bill you ain't wanna be in,
- 30:39
as a new act, I just always wanted to be with the women, that makes
- 30:44
sense, right, that makes a ton of sense, yeah, I mean, so this is my
- 30:48
bad, cause I would've brought my girl everywhere, everywhere, yeah, you did, and I understand,
- 30:52
now I understand, I used to laugh when you did it, and what happens when
- 30:55
these females see you with your girl, honestly, shit, some of them might want, I
- 30:59
was going to say, they usually. They're like it. some of them might want. to
- 31:00
was gonna say, they usually, they're like Shit, some of them might want to. I
- 31:03
join, yeah. I was about to say, you try not to be seen. No, it
- 31:08
makes them like, damn, he take her everywhere. You know what I'm saying? You know,
- 31:11
they want that. Right. They want that. They might not want it with you, but
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they want that. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. Now they should go. No, they
- 31:16
might want it with you. I'm a church pimp, too. I do this shit old
- 31:18
school, man. I take my girl everywhere I go. A church pimp. That terminology
- 31:24
is just nuts. So when you finally put your debut project out. and
- 31:30
it's time to release a single and play the game the game
- 31:36
of trying to chart trying to be cloudy and all that bullshit nasty stuff they're
- 31:41
doing out there how do you maintain integrity but still play that game because you're
- 31:47
gonna have to play the game i heard the rush verse so you're gonna have
- 31:50
to play the game but i think we shifted it like we we made it
- 31:55
our game when's the benny drill record We shifted it like we made it our
- 31:55
game. When's the Benny drill record coming out? To be honest with you, I got
- 32:00
shit like that now. I Got all the little homies and everybody from Buffalo be
- 32:06
wanting features niggas don't send me Derringer beats Niggas who know me they like yeah
- 32:10
nigga we know you and I owe favors the niggas from the hood They sending
- 32:13
me them trap beats and I'm cooking them and sending them back. It's out there.
- 32:17
Yeah I'm on iTunes right now today. So your thing is it just work? My
- 32:21
thing is just work, man man what number gets the deal closed i heard
- 32:27
some of the numbers you've been turning down and i'm shocked because it's not a
- 32:30
number they hide numbers it's not a number i gotta feel comfortable because if i
- 32:34
sound like joe if i fuck this up label gonna want three albums i'm gonna
- 32:38
come out of that deal 40 years old i can't fuck this no it's five
- 32:42
out minimum when you sign them fucking deals yeah shit like that so it's like
- 32:46
man i can't it's not a number it's a situation you gotta make me feel
- 32:49
me feel you gotta when i come over you gotta have some cookies baked you
- 32:49
we gotta when can't it's not a number it's a situation you got to make
- 32:53
know what i'm saying you gotta let me roll up i'm like oh i'm comfortable
- 32:56
here it's a it's a it's a transparency situation with me it's not even a
- 33:00
vision they gotta understand they gotta know the vibe right i know that's a lot
- 33:03
ask i know that's asking a lot these days in this business yes exactly but
- 33:07
get me close it's not even a number thing it could be for less money
- 33:10
but they could be like no this is your shit you come in here do
- 33:13
what the fuck you want to do we promise we got you and i'm over
- 33:15
there g shit We promise we got you and I'm over there. I'm seeing some
- 33:16
G shit. I respect that. Gotta respect that. I played your Dirty Needles
- 33:22
off of My First Brick. Yes, you did. I wasn't going to bring that up,
- 33:25
but I thought you was maybe sick of me bringing that up. No, no. In
- 33:28
2000, that's when I had... Ma put me on, man. The people don't know. Ma
- 33:32
put me on. I should have signed the Ma records, man. I couldn't believe that...
- 33:36
I thought you was signed the Ma records. We thought that this entire time. I
- 33:39
couldn't believe that it was a dude out there that was still willing to... it
- 33:40
was a it was a dude out there that was still willing to rap like
- 33:45
that when i first heard that record and that's why to me when i heard
- 33:49
that i knew that i was like okay that feeling that i felt when i
- 33:54
heard a rapper still rap like that i'm like this is what i think a
- 33:57
lot of people want to hear but it's just not available like they can't find
- 34:01
it so that was my reason for coming on the show and playing it but
- 34:04
i can't lie from that point on watching you and watching west and in conway
- 34:08
i never imagined that y 'all would be in west and in conway i never
- 34:10
imagined that y 'all would be doing what y 'all doing right now i didn't
- 34:12
think it was going to happen that fast i didn't think that a lot of
- 34:15
people were going to gravitate towards it like when i see y 'all now and
- 34:18
i see y 'all stepping out when i saw y 'all on late night what
- 34:22
was that with fallon jimmy fallon like to me like that was a a proud
- 34:27
moment because it was like yo this is late night and they talking about coke
- 34:31
and dope and right right on late night tv so for me that moment was
- 34:35
like yo i sat in front of the tv and i was just like it
- 34:38
was a proud moment. Like, I was so happy for y 'all because I watched
- 34:42
it. You know what I mean? Like, and that to me is important that y
- 34:45
'all still together. It ain't no whisperings of no funny shit going on in the
- 34:49
camp. Everybody can stand on their own and do what they do. But then y
- 34:53
'all come on late night and present that to the world. And to me, that
- 34:57
was just like a proud moment from my first brick to seeing y 'all on
- 35:00
that. was crazy for me. Now, being from upstate... watching y 'all is better. Felt
- 35:02
like watching your baby grow up? My homie from the block. My young boy from
- 35:06
the block. Being from upstate, that shit has been super inspiring to me. Now, real
- 35:09
shit, and people love that. We like heroes back home. Yeah, absolutely. Understandably. But, Ma...
- 35:14
I mean, upstate in general, not just Buffalo. Y 'all and John Elway. Killing shit
- 35:18
right now. real shit. Nah, for real. Is John Elway from upstate? I don't know.
- 35:22
No, I don't believe so. Know what I mean? But, Ma... Alley -oop, my nigga.
- 35:28
Perfect alley. I had to man. I had a platform. I saw that. I had
- 35:31
that, I had to, man. Perfect Alley -oop. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And it feel
- 35:32
to, but to me, that record was the moment where I was like, these niggas
- 35:35
got it. Perfect Alley -oop. I had to, man. I have a platform, I saw
- 35:37
good to give you your return on your investment. Thank you, brother. I appreciate that.
- 35:42
Same thing with Weston Conway. Them niggas, like I said, when I came in, them
- 35:45
niggas doing they thing to even have my name even mentioned with Conway. It's like,
- 35:50
you know, you get niggas the lane and they don't do shit with it. Right.
- 35:53
It's like, I feel like I did something with the lane, made them niggas proud.
- 35:57
You feel what I'm saying? Elaine made them niggas proud, you feel what I'm saying?
- 35:59
Grisel, you guys play the volume game. You guys put out a shit ton of
- 36:02
music per year. Is there a strategy on that? Is that going to pull back
- 36:06
at any point? Or is it going to be 15 albums a year
- 36:11
for the remainder of the foreseeable future? If it do,
- 36:16
I don't see why it will, but you know what I'm saying? I guess that's
- 36:21
just how it is. That's how they consume music. They not tripping. They not tripping.
- 36:24
I ain't tripping. They not tripping. I ain't tripping. We got a ton of music.
- 36:27
I got, like, I honestly, I honestly, right now, today, got three albums, three solo
- 36:32
albums, recorded everything, just waiting for the button to be pressed on them. And I,
- 36:38
and listen, and I have cookies. Pause. I
- 36:44
mean, I can make it feel like home. Real shit, man. Oh, damn, I just
- 36:48
had a question. Fuck, I forgot it was a good one. And listen, if you
- 36:52
have any questions, for any of us... No, real quick before we get into his
- 36:57
question. How was it, uh, let's talk about the Kanye experience. It was dope, man.
- 37:01
Going out there, working with Ye. He got the fucking chef. He got the whole
- 37:04
fucking shit. His motherfucking donkeys and lambs running around and shit. He was in Wyoming?
- 37:10
He was in Utah? He was just bringing some fruit out. No, it's like Jamaican
- 37:13
food. Crazy shit. He got some soul in it. No, real shit. This is Wyoming
- 37:17
or is LA? There's some soul in it. This is Wyoming or it's LA? This
- 37:18
is Wyoming. Jamaican food in Wyoming. I don't know. Not real shit. I don't know.
- 37:22
It was black people, you know what I'm saying? Was there any white people there?
- 37:25
Yeah, hell yeah, this is Kanye West we talking about. There was some whites there
- 37:31
too. So you went there without disclosing too much. Like, what can you tell us
- 37:36
about this Wyoming experience? I've never been invited to Wyoming. And I'm probably not going
- 37:41
to be invited. Royce was invited. of course it's not joe it was like the
- 37:45
was a lot more friendly than Joe. It was like the rappers and producers. to
- 37:46
rappers and producers out there you know i'm saying Of course, it's not Joe. Royce
- 37:50
be honest with you i didn't record nothing or nothing like that we were just
- 37:52
kicking it you know i mean chopping it up i hear nothing that spoke to
- 37:56
you no yeah i did i heard some shit played a whole bunch of shit
- 37:59
i heard some shit uh some shit i would have rapped on but we just
- 38:02
we never loaded it up it was it was late we was tired as fuck
- 38:05
though but it was cool being out there trees and shit bushes not none it's
- 38:10
open land open shit bring your lady with you look on this open land open
- 38:12
shit bring your lady with you look out there and reminisce that type of shit
- 38:16
it was like it was almost like it was hard to explain like on some
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not a it was like farm type of shit he got like different spots he
- 38:26
got fucking the ATVs was Kim there? the four wheelers nah Kim wasn't there okay
- 38:31
nah Kim wasn't there man he was at work you know what I mean that's
- 38:36
probably like a spot where he go to work and shit It look very like
- 38:39
worky, very serious over there. Was Saha there? He was there. He was there. That's
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my boy. You told him about me? I feel like he knew about you. He
- 38:49
a wordsmith. That's my man. No, that's my man. He a wordsmith. Again, that's back
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to that bubble that, like all the NBA players in the bubble, the wordsmiths are
- 38:56
in the bubble. Shout out to Saha. Does Saha know that we're waiting on a
- 39:01
project? Yeah, he know. He played me some crazy shit. I am dying for a
- 39:06
Saha project. it looked very like worky very serious I am dying for a Sighine
- 39:06
project, I'll be honest with you. He played me some shit that gave me the
- 39:10
feeling like when I hear Conway shit, like, I'm about to load up. He got
- 39:15
some shit. I wish he dropped as often as y 'all. Yeah, me too, me
- 39:19
too. After hearing that shit, I'd be like, what? No Dope on Sundays was how
- 39:22
long ago? Drop this shit. It's been a couple years, three, four. 2017. It don't
- 39:25
feel like that, but that's a long time. That's a long fucking time. Because that
- 39:28
album was so good. It still sounds great. So he didn't tell you anything like,
- 39:32
hey, I invited y 'all out here to do music. just wanted y 'all to
- 39:35
kick it hey write this rhyme for me it seemed it seemed it seemed like
- 39:39
he was hey can you guys dance in the background while i while i rap
- 39:43
about jesus i'm trying to get the new york vote it seemed like that nigga
- 39:49
wanted to but we were i had to go i had to get back for
- 39:52
some shit he had he was moving he had like some like crazy a whole
- 39:56
bunch of private plane of white people landed and I ain't a white people landed
- 39:59
and they was he was running around showing them shit. They was kicking it he
- 39:59
was running around showing him shit they was kicking it so probably with some important
- 40:03
shit he had to tend to I had to tend to some shit So I
- 40:05
stayed for like two days and I had to pill Yeah, the ghost of Walt
- 40:08
Disney just chillin. He had to get to know real shit real shit Are you
- 40:13
are you involved with rock nation? Yeah, how's that experience? How's it going? That's
- 40:19
dope. It's dope man shout out He hold time Hank the Jay -z
- 40:25
stamp early is something not it is it is something stamp early is something no
- 40:27
it is it is it's something come on how do you feel about he lost
- 40:30
92 bricks it's just so great you know that's hove you know i'm saying you
- 40:34
know everybody know like i'm the only i'm the only rapper in the game who
- 40:37
could who did a bid with emory and signed a deal with hove you know
- 40:41
i'm saying hold up man let me look a shot for big pop in heaven
- 40:44
you know i mean that was crazy that was a little stunt line that the
- 40:49
suburbs suburbs wouldn't know about Remember where you heard it. Right here. remember we heard
- 40:53
it right here right yes it's kind of interesting we uh It's kind of interesting.
- 40:55
We had to push our recording time back that day. Because I believe Maul was
- 41:00
at the celebration. Oh, I had to be there for that. Maul was there. That's
- 41:05
my nigga. Yo, Maul, my nigga. I had to be there. How could I not
- 41:08
be there for that? Maul is everybody's niggas of mine, man. I remember we had
- 41:11
a podcast extra long that day. I heard you, nigga. I had to be there
- 41:15
for that. I was like, come on, man. You had to be there for that.
- 41:17
You nigga wasn't even at my birthday last year. I remember sitting here for about.
- 41:23
two hours and looking at IG story and seeing Maul on the roof. Yo, Benny,
- 41:27
it's time to deal. Maul has been there for nothing important for us. Yo, signing
- 41:31
day is going to change your life. He wasn't there. No, I had to be
- 41:34
there for that, though. I had to be there for that. And Maul has been
- 41:37
introducing you guys at shows. That's a fact. That was crazy, too. That was crazy.
- 41:42
You know, it's my guy, man. He wore a special jacket. It was wavy. Yeah.
- 41:47
Oh, you wore his wavy coat. Yeah.
- 41:54
all right, so top five in the game right now. Rappers, MCs, wordsmiths, give it
- 41:57
to me. All right, let's go. You want to make a joke to me? You
- 42:00
got to go to two pillars. No, I want to know. I'm going, I got
- 42:03
to go to two pillars. Now, this fluctuate. It might be a top five or
- 42:05
seven. You got to go to two pillars. I'm from back in the day, Jay
- 42:09
and Nas. Then you got to go. I gotta go. I
- 42:15
hate this list because it's retort. It's the same list. Ain't nobody broken to this
- 42:19
list. You and Wes. Kiss. You know what I'm saying? And then when you go
- 42:23
from there, I go to G Rap is in there.
- 42:31
And then where I go. That's four. And then that last one could be.
- 42:37
This is not in no order. Ladies and gentlemen. You understand? It could be big.
- 42:40
I'm saying it could be big or who else who else it's a
- 42:46
bunch of niggas I'm not thinking of but really those the pillars I hate to
- 42:49
sound so cliche but that's like the that's like the the hip -hop arithmetic
- 42:55
coming up you know I'm saying those niggas right there all right it's fine I
- 42:58
got more problematic questions Draco push who won I would
- 43:04
say he said no you said that was a good one. that was a good
- 43:08
one it depends on what you're judging on it depends on whatever It depends on
- 43:09
what you're judging on. nigga. What's your
- 43:14
algorithms? They both were
- 43:20
super entertaining. Super. When they
- 43:26
both niggas start saying super. The fans won.
- 43:34
in that one. Yeah, we'll get up on that. Would you try to put Drake
- 43:37
in? Would you try to put Drake and Push on your debut? Because you have
- 43:40
a relationship with both? That didn't work out well last time. I would. Somebody tried
- 43:44
that. Who tried that? I don't think. He did Wayne and Push. I don't know
- 43:47
if them niggas would be. Not on the same song. I don't think them niggas
- 43:49
would be up for that. I don't think. Were they relationship with that? No, same
- 43:52
album. Not the same song. Like you get a Push feature and you get a
- 43:56
Drake feature. Because I know y 'all have talked about working. Yeah. That's actually what
- 44:00
I'm trying to do. Universal. Is the Drake record done with you and Drake? Let
- 44:05
me play it right now on my phone. Do you have it on your phone?
- 44:08
Yes, I do. All right, so what type of record did y 'all make? Did
- 44:12
y 'all make a girly record? Nah, don't call it a bluff. There you go.
- 44:16
I'm not going to let him play that here. I'm joking. It would be great
- 44:19
to get that, but we're not going to ask for that here. I'm joking. Shit,
- 44:23
it's... Did Drake send you candles? Nah. Oh, good. All right. He sent my daughters
- 44:29
a whole bunch of OVO gear. Nigga, never sent my son a thing. Never
- 44:35
sent him a thing. You put out WAKE, so. But yeah, it's a bar record.
- 44:40
It's a rapper's record. You know what I'm saying? That's good. So, it's one of
- 44:43
those shits. Did you go to the embassy? Uh, nah. He sent me the record.
- 44:48
I did it the way I did that shit in Miami or Atlanta, some shit.
- 44:52
You like Miami, huh? And I love Miami. I fell in love with Miami. Yo,
- 44:56
you new artists like that Miami, boy. Because I'm not going to lie, like, I
- 45:00
just start going to Miami. You know what I'm saying? You know, I'm a Buffalo
- 45:03
nigga. We don't go nowhere. We go to Atlanta. And Niagara Falls. And New York
- 45:07
City. Were you offered a threesome out there or not? Did some young, unsuspecting...
- 45:13
Joe, you know I was. Did some unsuspecting... You know I was offered that. Some
- 45:17
unsuspecting hotties see you and Freddie in the corner. Unsuspecting. And I turned it down.
- 45:21
Good noodling. My girl was out there. She tried to join in. My girl was
- 45:23
out there. She tried to hate, right? Hey, me and my girl. She tried to
- 45:26
join in. Oh, my God. I always get shit like that. Stuff like that makes
- 45:29
me want to rap again. Those type of stories. Invite me and my girl to
- 45:34
the fun. I mean, just go to Wet Willys. You don't need to rap. It's
- 45:37
mad threesome offers at Wet Willys. I'm not going to. I know.
- 45:43
Last time I went to Wet Willys, Rory invited me. I went with him. I
- 45:47
wouldn't just normally congregate there. here um all right well what else do we have
- 45:51
for bennie man uh this week snoop versus dmx versus mm who you taking
- 45:56
okay now how was they doing it they doing the 20 songs a piece 20
- 46:01
20 20 20 buddy i don't know i don't know i think i
- 46:07
think it depends on the tone of it because you see what happened with the
- 46:10
jada fab shit comes up firing here's the throw to the records and he is
- 46:14
at the plate we will have a challenge how the you gonna how the you
- 46:18
gonna be uh We will have a challenge! How the fuck you gonna beat, uh...
- 46:20
All about the... You know what I'm saying? How you gonna beat shit like that?
- 46:22
Benny, you have to answer one of these questions. I'm just trying to say, like...
- 46:25
I don't know if the niggas gonna pick... If this nigga, Snoop, play gin and
- 46:31
fucking juice, like, what you gonna do with that? Go home. He's gonna go home.
- 46:35
Then if this nigga X come back and play, uh... Y 'all gonna make me
- 46:40
lose? Like, I don't know, who watching that shit? It go different. When they first
- 46:43
different. When they first started that versus shit, the niggas with the bigger... I didn't
- 46:44
started that Versus shit, the niggas with the bigger records was winning. Like, it go
- 46:47
like that shit. It wasn't the best records, it was the bigger records. But that
- 46:52
Jada and Fab shit showed you it's not about the bigger records, so it depends
- 46:56
on. Snoop got a longer rap sheet. So if they made it song for song,
- 47:01
if it wasn't a limit of the songs, I'd go Snoop. But it's a limit,
- 47:04
so kind of pigeonhole niggas. I think the answer is Snoop, though. I love X.
- 47:10
I love New York. but Snoop just has so many fucking records, man. But Snoop
- 47:12
just has so many fucking records. Right, right. You know what I mean? It's kind
- 47:15
of like... That's why I'm not even looking at it as a battle. It's just
- 47:19
like... But you can get it there and steal it with your charisma. And you
- 47:22
know, X is a wild nigga. You got to come in here with four pit
- 47:25
bulls. X got six of those teams. Hey, Benny. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, for
- 47:31
sure. No, that's not going to be a blowout. I got to tell you, Benny,
- 47:36
just your presence here alone is acting as some type of good luck charm. I
- 47:41
know you've got a situation with your guys over there at E1, and just that
- 47:44
fast, I just got a text from someone that said, Joe, Alan
- 47:50
Grunblatt has a check for you. Oh, fire. Nah, man, look at y 'all for
- 47:54
Big Bob and Evan. By the time, Balenciaga, Joe, hey, if y 'all know how
- 48:00
difficult it is to get a check from Alan Grunblatt, your projects recouped, oh, they
- 48:06
did six years later. Your projects recouped. Oh, they did six years later on, buddy.
- 48:12
They recouped. No, I see you with the Balenciagas, by the way. Like, I see
- 48:16
you shining, buddy. No, man, thank you, man. What do you think about Tory and
- 48:19
Meg? Did he do that? I don't. I would hope not. That's some crazy
- 48:25
shit. When I first heard it, you can't put out your Tory feature now. It's
- 48:30
over. When I first seen that shit, I'm like, that had to be a mistake.
- 48:35
That's what everybody's saying. You know what I'm saying? You gotta have pistol control. You
- 48:38
gotta learn how to work them shits. You just can't have them laying around those
- 48:41
iron machines at the end of the day. So shit happens. People shoot they self
- 48:46
every day. So that's what I... thought it was something like that. I'm like, damn,
- 48:50
he probably was tucking it wrong, girl, backed it out. I don't know what happened.
- 48:53
But then she got on her page and said a crime against her. I said,
- 48:57
this shit getting real. Brian, I said, this shit getting real. Yeah, you know what
- 49:01
I'm saying? Listen to the way street niggas just analyzed the hot topics and the
- 49:04
current events. Maybe he was cleaning his gum. When you pull it out, you got
- 49:07
to have the wrist control. That's a hair trigger. I just was like, yo, that's
- 49:13
wrong. All right, I feel it, I feel it. All right, what's Benny's first single
- 49:18
going to sound like? I Need a Girl Part 3? Griselda -E. If I can
- 49:24
go. Griselda -esque, Griselda -esque, crazy. Conway Westside
- 49:30
gun on there. Griselda -esque, heavy. Griselda -esque. Stick to that. Crazy. Y 'all keeping
- 49:33
it family. Keeping it family. That's what you're supposed to do. Shit's working. It's working.
- 49:37
If it ain't broke, don't fix it. Real shit. Big Griselda heavy shit. Oh shit.
- 49:43
I don't think it's gonna sound like that. It's not gonna sound like that. Definitely
- 49:47
won't sound like that. Conway going stupid on there. West on the hook. I'm doing
- 49:52
my part. We a team. I'm doing my part, you know what I mean? We
- 49:53
a team. What do you want? I'll ask you this very generic sounding question that
- 49:57
I'll analyze forever. What do you want? I'll ask you this. What do you want
- 50:01
from this game? What I want from this game, I want to leave my fingerprints
- 50:06
on it in some way, and I want to keep the money. Basically, I want
- 50:12
to look up 20 years from now, I'm still getting money. It might not be
- 50:16
off music, but it'll be off something that'll keep the money. so that's that's the
- 50:18
So that's the type of moves I'm making today. I want to have. when there's
- 50:20
type of moves i'm making today i want to i want to have some money
- 50:23
all this shit over yeah and i want to i want to i want i
- 50:28
want to be a legend in this shit no doubt i want to leave my
- 50:30
fingerprints on this shit you know what i'm saying you're already on your way to
- 50:33
that so yeah that's that's that's that's if i if i can get that i'm
- 50:37
blessed you know i'm blessed already but that's what i want out of this shit
- 50:40
y 'all on the right path man y 'all definitely working i think that's what
- 50:43
people know y 'all for though and they work with it i'm just Yo, I'm
- 50:47
just being honest, like, I be hearing the names, where they be comparing me, I
- 50:49
be hearing in
- 50:51
don't be liking that, because I do kind of feel like... being honest like i'll
- 50:54
You better than all of them, right? I feel that way,
- 51:00
but I know it's a business, and the niggas who get in the looks right
- 51:04
now, that's who names is ringing, so I understand that. And I know it's a
- 51:08
carousel, I know my turn gonna come. So I'm just chilling, waiting. When I do
- 51:12
sign that deal, we got these big budgets, they put me right up there on
- 51:15
me right up there on these posters and, you know what I'm saying, get me
- 51:16
the lead. When I do sign that deal, we got these big budgets, they put
- 51:18
these, whatever they gonna do to make a nigga popular, but, you know what I'm
- 51:22
saying, I know, I know niggas can't fuck with me, I'm just chillin' being humble,
- 51:26
you know what I'm saying. You said you had some questions when you walked in,
- 51:31
Benny Cronkite. I ain't had no questions for y 'all, y 'all my niggas, man,
- 51:37
you know what I'm saying, y 'all my niggas, man, you know what I mean.
- 51:39
How are you missing? I know you're missing the road. How you missing, I know
- 51:40
you missing the road. I'm fucking dying. You know how I missed out? This fucked
- 51:43
up the Russ tour. That was going to be the biggest tour I've ever been
- 51:45
on in my life. The biggest tour, the most cities, a real fucking dressing room
- 51:50
in the arena. My own tour bus. Benny, Benny, fortunately for you, you were
- 51:56
booked on a tour that's probably high on the waiting list when tours return. Russ's
- 52:02
tour is happening. And that's awesome, man. Congratulations. Thank you. I'm really happy.
- 52:07
happy. I'm really happy for the opportunities that you're receiving. If you want me to
- 52:08
I'm really happy for the opportunities that you're receiving. Thank you. Thank you. I'm really
- 52:11
be honest with you, I'm proud. I'm proud of you. I'm proud. It's not really
- 52:17
a you because I don't know you the greatest. But what I'm saying is I'm
- 52:20
proud of what what you're accomplishing means for niggas
- 52:26
like me. Right, right, right. Like and it means a lot. You might not feel
- 52:30
it right now because you in it. But for the niggas that's looking for this
- 52:35
sound to be this prevalent. uh for spitting to be this important
- 52:40
and just for grimy street east coast niggas to be able to do that
- 52:46
and sign deals and like it paid and be offered millions to have an opportunity
- 52:52
to walk away from the millions like you know what this ain't right yeah like
- 52:56
as someone works in underground hip -hop it's a lot it's y 'all have been
- 53:00
fucking monumental that's what i was telling these niggas on the way here yeah like
- 53:05
we dropped the uh the respective sopranos hosted by dj drama on july 31st and
- 53:10
beyonce dropped that day told these niggas watch i said we're gonna be in the
- 53:14
top 10 and with beyonce on the itunes charts that's fucking crazy that's crazy like
- 53:18
y 'all niggas gonna be in the top 10 itunes charts with the beyonce guaranteed
- 53:21
let me add let me add let me tell you young niggas like and i
- 53:27
don't know how old you are but when i say young i mean in this
- 53:29
experience y 'all man if you just buckle up if you just buckle up
- 53:35
head down and do whatever it is you got to do this shit is a
- 53:38
roller coaster and your wildest imaginations will start to come to fruition right in front
- 53:43
of you so i just want to tell y 'all that because it's important to
- 53:46
tell niggas that as they on their way yeah hell yeah man that's real
- 53:51
right no it's real shit man i'm proud of you to be
- 53:57
unsigned and have a situation where you can provide for your niggas man enough can't
- 53:57
unsigned and all right no it's real shit man i'm proud of you to be
- 54:01
be said enough can't be said about it which is why it was important that
- 54:05
we get you here to talk to you because we keep seeing it we're seeing
- 54:09
it we know what it looks like and we see what it feels like but
- 54:13
let's talk to this nigga and just see where his head is at for real
- 54:16
and then speaking to you same thing i walked away from that little baby interview
- 54:20
with like it's good to see the new niggas with their head right right right
- 54:24
because It's good to see the new niggas with their head right, because sky's the
- 54:26
limit then. Thank you. We appreciate you. I gotta turn this up, man. I
- 54:32
gotta turn this up. Y 'all got last words for Benny, man? You know what
- 54:36
it is. Keep going. Now I am gonna come kick it. I made it to
- 54:41
the room. I fuck with y 'all niggas. I appreciate everything y 'all done for
- 54:44
me. That's real nigga shit. Did you get that chain cut right? I saw it
- 54:47
on Insta Live. The live chain was too long for you during the pandemic. I
- 54:52
didn't go back and get it cut. I got this one right here cut. I'm
- 54:55
acting crazy with this. I'm acting crazy with this. Nah, you're looking good, man. You're
- 55:00
looking good. Reap the benefits of that hard work. Trophies, trophies. Benny the Butcher, ladies
- 55:05
and gentlemen, make some noise. The chain was too long for you during the pandemic.
- 55:07
Oh, yes, sir. Trying to
- 55:13
smoke one now, baby. Yeah, go ahead. Make yourself at home. Light something up.
- 55:28
Shout out to our YouTube viewership. Shout out to our listenership. Shout out to all
- 55:33
of Day Ones, first and last time listeners. Y 'all know the vibe. Shout out
- 55:37
to the whole Griselda. You already know what it is. All of the wordsmiths out
- 55:41
there. Shout out to Buffalo. Shout out to Buffalo. Big 716, huh? Free duffel
- 55:47
bag hottie. Free trig. Free buff. Free dap. Free all my G's, man. Shout out
- 55:52
to Armani, man. Oh, Armani Caesar, you already know. And she at day one, too.
- 55:56
She been around 10 years ago. Yeah, I know. 10 years ago, she been around.
- 55:59
And she looks great. She said she looks great. Yeah, no. That's a fact. She
- 56:05
looks great and she can rap. Smart move, smart pickup.