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what is this the jbp boys

still on whatever hey this is happening

currently

uh still not current with us at the

moment

still not present with us in the studio

but joe didn't coin the phrase the show

must go on

i know you guys think i invented that i

did not

uh in the studio what no one thinks you

invented that

for real they all zero people think they

should show that the show

always went on without you so they

didn't think you invented that

that's it says y'all says y'all you

haven't been reading the comments

you haven't been i read a couple you

haven't been looking at the data

oh in here i have friends filling in for

friends

what a genius concept this is

parks is here still happily

not forced not against your will of

course

this is your home still this is my home

i can't drop the doors

i can't just barge in and force you to

do anything

and be have my freedom uh erickson is

here

right you sign your happiness nda yes

sir

uh corey is here uh corey has not signed

his happiness dna because

uh nda

because his name cannot have a trail

attached to it

uh can't really we can't really see

his whereabouts what's those cards we

used to get the green

go-kart green card green dot the green

dot cards he's still doing that type of

vibe

savonne is here alex is here ice is here

and

our special guest for the day friend

filling in for friends

is ish let's hit the round of applause

for ish

the infamous ish yeah finally you've

been on the podcast

many times on voice oh involuntarily

yeah mostly involuntarily yeah uh via

phone calls

uh it's just somebody that i've been

wanting to get on the pod for a long

time

now that uh our hosts aren't here we got

to give like a background check on the

people that are on the microphone

issues of pisces

monopoly games i don't [ __ ] know what

he's into

do we play i don't know do we just show

up not here for that

okay uh what else

but not really ish is not

really on the internet if it's not he's

not really on the internet

right but it is a real estate mogul

come on we're not doing that but it's

the truth we gotta give people

flowers we gotta give people their

flowers yeah that's the truth that's the

truth it is the truth that's not the

truth

living your truth why can't black men

just take compliments

this is a real estate mogul with

properties

all over the country um

and we will get into some of you in

australia or australia alaska and hawaii

all over the country we out here man

south dakota big development

project plans on the way

queen's project huh

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uh how's everybody doing what episode is

this uh 2425

welcome to episode 425 of the joke

420 look losing your way without the

guys

episode 426 of the joe budden podcast

i'm your humble gracious grateful and

highly favored host joe button here with

a few of my nearest and dearest

people in life i introduced everybody

hopefully everybody's feeling good issue

you good

all right so you good i'm great parks

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a few things i've confirmed from our

little test trial period

without our normal function this seat

does indeed look better

i don't know if it's because the artwork

is behind me i don't know what camera

erickson is using here

but he got a nice one i always thought

that rory looked better than me

on the camera and i never felt like that

in real life

now that's negated here i am in all of

my essence

this is your essence yes okay how are

you doing parker i'm doing well i'm

doing well it's been an entertaining few

days

on the internets tell me more

there's one thing that joe budden is

gonna do is turn the internet upside

down

for real and you've done it again two

things according to the internet because

that's one well that's true and then the

internet says if there's one thing joe

button's gonna do

fumble the bag [ __ ] up [ __ ] it up

hey man it's not us yeah it's the

internet okay

and let's deal with both of those things

individually

we're here to uh tackle cultural topics

and unfortunately we're the culture

today i am a cultural topic

today boy i hate when i hate when i

provide

something that proves the ops right

right

oh my god you've been hearing it right

you've been reading it out there

oh my god do they know i was suicidal

before

they're playing with you what

[Applause]

no i mean yes yes

yes they have i heard they heard save

all these feelings too

really they've been killing me now

watching you go through this [ __ ] allows

me to like know i'll be at it

why what do you mean by that because

i've seen you go through like real [ __ ]

so the internet don't really affect me

in in that space but is this real [ __ ]

to you

no it's not that's why i said i'm cool

i'm good but they have been killing me

the entire ordeal that we're going

through in real time as a podcast

is is that uh is that uh

what were you just saying real stuff

real [ __ ] no it's the internet bro

no he's talking about no i'm talking

about wasting it situation oh yeah

yeah this is real yeah this is real

because you know

holes aren't here so that's real [ __ ]

okay good

uh parks i couldn't have planned this

they didn't even like my explanation no

no yeah they didn't

i saw that like what yeah oh come on

it's hard to give the explanation

without giving details about the

business which we're not going to do

because that's just not who we are

i saw a lot of memes like this but if

you if you're savvy you can kind of

explain to the people the people the

fans

the listeners the audience i tried to

come in here and respect everyone's

position i tried to respect everyone's

privacy

uh everyone's business ordeals dealings

right and just i tried to tell people

what's going on

without really speaking about some of

the things that are going on because

even if i spoke about what was going on

it would be from joe's perspective

and that's not selfless like there are

other positions

there are other emotions there are other

actions that have

occurred where you could just view it

differently so i tried to respect all

that

and they killed me well the problem with

that was which i realized after the fact

after reading the comments and

everything

you went on there and said how you were

being transparent but wasn't being

transparent

that was their that's their beef they

want us to read the contracts on there

and

yeah that's transparency okay joe's

going to be transparent but was very

vague

but it wasn't really vague but i could

see how people would think that

if you let joe tell it this podcast has

been vague for over a year

whose perspective are we taking this

from

joe's brain says that we've been in here

going through the motions forever long

we've been going through it

we hear no albums we don't know who's

dropping we don't have no takes

[ __ ] it but we're going to joke through

this thing

that's vague when i was saying

transparent i was holding it against

that bar like hey i'm going to divulge

more than i probably would if the show

were in its normal fashion

and i thought i did that if you ain't

get it you ain't get it if you know if

you know you know and if you don't don't

mind your [ __ ] business in the first

place well there you go too

yeah that's wrong too everything that

joe does and says

in this particular moment is off

to be messy er that's all they really

want

they want to sir they want to see you

throwing dirt on they names did they

want to see them come and throw a dirt

on your names and correct

the civil war break out everybody choose

their size that's what they want

yeah but these all grow them in here

right we don't move like that

right so they're not gonna get it so

that's why no matter what you say but

that's the part that i don't get

because when i hear that i say like

there was a clubhouse room somebody

started it

it was can joe button continue to level

up without rory moore without his guys

and i went there and i peeked in there

from the burner of course

until i got too mad then i used money

i'm in here now [ __ ] you [ __ ]

talking about it

what's happening right so i'm going in

and throwing all these theories at the

wall

and i finally i get on the stage and i

say yo man y'all i never had

went through nothing with your friends

like to me

that is transparent but think about all

the things that you could possibly get

into with your friends

of course and then convoluted with all

the things that exist here and again

that is a fault of joe's right like

oh they hate that third person [ __ ] yeah

that is the fault of mine

gary jackson narcissist derek jones

that is a problem that is a defect of

mine i

typically assume that other people know

certain things

they don't no you can't assume that most

these people have

uh regular jobs and have never dealt

with ip

kind of battles or any of the things

that we kind of talk about for the most

part have people ever gone through

anything with their friends

well now when you say that think of all

the things that can go into that bucket

a lot of people don't do business with

their friends too though bingo that's

true

a lot of people don't and if they and if

they do they go through [ __ ] like this

correct

or worse it was business when i didn't

when my friend borrowed my favorite

genes and i never got them back

i just took the l on the strength of the

friendship but that was business there

was a transaction in exchange

something i wanted what i know but come

on man

come on no that's not business but what

i'm saying

is there are transactional things that

happen

in during the course of a friendship

that on the strength of friendship

you just chalk up that's what i'm saying

so yeah it might not be business

involved

but okay throw business in that makes

things more difficult way more difficult

absolutely and especially when it's like

this like

a big business and b uh intellectual

property business is confusing

as a whole and then throw in

audience throwing and making that

matters

that's what i was trying to say like

yeah people go through things with their

friends but

it's not in front of a bunch of cameras

it's not with the following that can

watch this

play out yeah that part matters

i laughed at some of the people that

were attempting to prove

rory and maul's value to me

because i'm still on the friendship side

it's like you don't need to explain

my friend's value to me it's priceless

right so if there's some things going on

clearly there's some other things going

on it's not

it's not a value play for me

unfortunately it just has to play out

with some of the optics

that would appear if it were a value

play

they said mullen unionizing

i love it that's a good one again

they're calling me a

strike a strike breaker yeah yeah you

you crossed the picket line

never mind the fact that my business

might be straight with you

that they call in when the team go on

strike that's right just go pick up some

replacements for real quick

that's funny yeah yeah it was it was

killing us yeah that's cool

bad i haven't been to the barber shop

and i'm not going

i refuse to walk i went this morning

young young dude in the chair oh

[ __ ] but it's eight in the morning he

said yo i got a question i said

my brother my brother

my brother it's not the best yeah i mean

it's eight in the morning let's keep it

settled here

no no so many things these people have

been saying

right like let's take the thumbs down

[ __ ] when i left conflicts i was excited

that

everybody was thumbs down and [ __ ] let

them know that [ __ ] is trash

and that we don't agree with this

decision because i was at odds

with a company that didn't really

get the value understand my value or

think there was a conversation to be had

so yeah

thumbs down that [ __ ] and let them know

boy was it beautiful

how does it feel to be on the other side

but wait wait slow down and in the

thumbs down but it was so beautiful

because

that [ __ ] with the algorithmic system

back there

so whatever complex was trying to

present to advertisers i knew the fans

were throwing a wrench in

now everybody didn't have that

information

but i went and got it so now ask me how

i feel how do you feel now i don't care

i don't have any business happening

i'm not taking i'm not taking

whatever they doing and showing it to

somebody to say

hey this is what the ad numbers should

be based on look at all our thumbs up no

everything that i stand for is hey have

y'all are basing that is wrong

and just go off my word i'm not pulling

it from

youtube thumbs down away hey

the show is crazy thumbs down the [ __ ]

out of the world

just so you

awesome who joe is at his core is i

support artistic expression that way

right

like i'm never going to be at the

crossword roads with the things i'm

passionate about and the things i

support and the things i don't

i support that cr that that freedom

right you shouldn't me and it's pretty

cool

the fact is uh two gentlemen who we care

about

deeply and have had a very long

friendship with

inspire that much uh reaction from

people

yeah i think that's kind of cool in a

way listen

i'll tell you this so they don't say i'm

just talking a circle for 20 minutes

damn why do i feel like everything i say

is egotistical

because it is it's not and stop it

stop it because that's my [ __ ]

problem man

i didn't bring you here for that not why

i brought you here

dan was about to say a poignant point

about something that

was egotistical oh i think one of my

better qualities is

that i'm able to take myself out of the

situation

okay like i know who i am i know how i

feel about things i know how i'm gonna

react to something

but i try to take myself out and think

of all the ways that anybody else could

feel

okay in a situation

so when they say these things that

they're saying all hurtful horrible

things

i get it because i viewed it through

that lens

but is it my view necessarily no

case in point everything joe touches

turns to [ __ ]

that's been a popular uh yeah that's

popular narrative well if you understand

how mass media works

and how programming works then you

wouldn't be shocked at any of this

somebody with a huge platform and a loud

voice

put that into the atmosphere right that

means

that that thinking will be adapted by

people who know no better

correct ta-da

the end and if that's where the story

stops

then that's where it stops for you i

ain't never ruined nothing that i ain't

make

it's a good point to go yeah

i never went to somebody's house and

started [ __ ] putting mud all over the

white couch

i've never done that y'all say something

but they're going to sell you all the

yes man

there's nobody here to challenge me for

you to continue that's the truth what

the [ __ ] is that a challenge about that

i went to the deaf gym i had a real

tough time and i was without a lot of

information i was young i was depressed

i acted out i ruined that [ __ ] but it

was my deal

it was my deal no i didn't feel like all

the people that were participating in

that needed to participate

in those same ways i ruined it i was the

talent i sat behind everything

i was [ __ ] up nobody eats if the

creative person is [ __ ] up

i [ __ ] that up right awesome i'll take

that

but i did that that was a conscious

decision made

like i don't think people know all the

thought that goes into

thinking about [ __ ] something up

that's working

yeah it's not actually it's not a it's

not an emotional reaction

you can't you can't from near what did i

[ __ ] up

my [ __ ] amalgam deal

but it was [ __ ] up compounded mistake

after mistake the deal was [ __ ] up yes

i'm [ __ ] it up

i had to [ __ ] it up for you to send it

to e1 for them to fix some of the

fuck-ups but that was [ __ ] up too

so i'm done here first loving hip-hop it

was [ __ ] up it's [ __ ] up i'm out of

here get me out of it

when it's [ __ ] up it's [ __ ] up what

you want me to do

for slaughterhouse hey if it's [ __ ] up

it's [ __ ] up

they be saying i [ __ ] [ __ ] up i'd be

saying hey by the time i [ __ ] it up

i had two and a half years of trying to

get this right

whatever i'm on the tangent

there's an informative tangent whatever

who cares this is not important

it's been an interesting way one word of

story is joe gonna [ __ ] it up

please please jo i got a question

do you think you've ever [ __ ] anything

up ever did you just hear me

no i'm saying i didn't know where have

you been i heard what you said what you

created i'm saying in general something

that maybe you didn't create

anything do you think you've ever [ __ ]

anything up is what i'm asking

oh that i didn't create yeah just

anything yes

okay yes savon how do you think we land

in this spot

i was just asking you know what else

they probably i don't handle people

the greatest nor do i communicate in

certain situations

the greatest got it

i'm also introvert why is anybody

surprised i think about that part we

could get to a place where we having a

conversation and i've had enough

of you and whatever you're saying and

now i'm acting that way

i am an introvert i like to stay at home

i don't even like dealing with the world

if we're getting into joe's bag so yeah

i understand how i have [ __ ] people up

i have [ __ ] situations up i understand

how my selfishness

my self-centeredness at times my lack of

perspective that's what i was doing but

at times has been has run

rampant throughout the industry i don't

i think those things haven't existed in

quite some time

i will say this it's a little tricky

i will say this putting myself in the

outsider's shoe

it's usually pretty entertaining and

then not only that on the last episode

you never spoke to any of that so that's

why i asked

you you get what i'm saying that's why

people probably weren't talking about we

weren't here to speak about my

relationship failures

my romantic relationship failures last

episode we wasn't talking about

knowing where we're here is what we

talked about things that you may have

[ __ ] up

and romantic relationships are included

there i've been hearing a lot of joe

[ __ ] up the spotify back

i'm hearing that a lot that's been a

narrative for quite some time

you people are idiots yeah they don't

know anything that's fine

well that's why i recorded all of ian's

spotify's calls

but joe you know what else they'd be

saying because people are idiots you

know what else

uh your fuck-ups or [ __ ] situations

up

causes it to be [ __ ] up for other

people and i think that's something that

they're also talking about like

you [ __ ] up this deal here or you [ __ ]

up like you know for example

i mean yeah everybody landed okay with

slaughterhouse but slaughterhouse

hasn't been able to do anything because

joe [ __ ] that up

so that's what people are saying joe

that's a perspective thing rice's grammy

nominated right now

again i'm talking about slaughterhouse

the name the group

slaughterhouse i don't mean the

individual members going their own

separate ways doing something

same thing that's because there are

people in that group that actually love

me so when the idea ran across their

table of hey let's sub

somebody in they said no i'm wondering

you need somebody that loves you at

these

at these confrontations and quarrels and

he's standing i'm staying with you

yeah so that's why but i'm just saying

that i've seen a lot of that though when

people are talking about joe [ __ ]

something up it's not just necessarily

joe [ __ ] it up for him

it's joe [ __ ] it up for the other people

that are in it with him oh that's the

that's that is the narrative

right that's what's going on [ __ ] up the

spotify he could have made everybody

rich

right that's what i'm getting at and

then there so people that are guessing

of whatever's going on they're like if

i'm putting themselves in

shoes that they have no business putting

themselves in but if i'm the other two

guys

joe [ __ ] this deal up i would have a

problem with joe

that's what i'm reading like yeah you

[ __ ] it up because you don't think it's

right you have your issue with it but

you

doing that joe you got other deals you

your joe is fine

the other guys don't have that this is

again i don't i'm not in your business

that's the value of what i'm reading

right so you doing that it's like damn

dude you [ __ ] it up for us

we could have been out here what

before we go any further right and we're

not going to spend all day on this but i

mean ain't so much other news

that much really not let me give you

guys another

reason why i brought this here itch is

my friend for however many years

and no one has argued with me in

friendship more than

ish that is a fact i have got

i have gotten my loudest with ish

yelling matches back and forth over the

dumbest things in the world

it's cause y'all the same person we've

done this over monopoly games we've done

this over women

we've been in clubs together and ignored

each other like

ish and i have if there is a

friend that exists that could say

nah joe's talks a little crazy

have you guys ever fought me and this

yeah

no see that's the point that's why he's

getting that

that's just a question that's what he's

getting at just a question where you're

going

that's what we're getting have we ever

fought

go ahead bro i already know fight about

what

the decimal of somebody's tone

somebody's choice of words just a

question

i have put this man's life in danger

time and time again oh

if he wants to speak about that that's

on him maybe on patreon we'll get into

it

but when i see these comments that talk

about listen man i couldn't have [ __ ]

up a spotify deal let me let me expose

this for the idiots real quick

we completed our term our spotify deal

maybe that's not known to everyone

because i don't just spread business

like that but we completed

the term of the entire contract even

while disgruntled

and didn't take whatever was offered to

us

that's not [ __ ] up a bag if you put

me anywhere in any time i'm going to

protect the rights well i think

of everything that's the same as go down

slow down slow down park slow down

they're going to say i'm interrupting

you

but i want people to understand what

these rights mean

because that's where a lot of this falls

under spotify comes

allegedly we're just throwing throwing

[ __ ] around spotify comes and says yo

i got 25 million dollars for you

30 million dollars for you over the

course of five years

mm-hmm and what's that issues are

massive

major what's that next year five or six

year depending on six years

yeah all of that including

your audio rights

your tv rights your video

digital rights your book rights your

advertising rights

that's just off the top of my head

that's all your rights your pull-up

yeah and this don't have to be spotify

because some people think i just have it

out for them this is

this seems to be standard out there

right

in this industry and most people

take say yes to that right because they

see the number they see because it's not

it's not even that it's so exciting yeah

most people are short-sighted most

people

don't have enough confidence in

themselves

to really take the long play and and

most people are most people are workers

too

business outside of their main business

the most visible business

like me this is my most physical

business i

mix a lot of records i do a lot of

sessions i do a lot of other [ __ ]

right it's not really visible in the

same way and that's okay

but in your instance you do several

different shows here

you have uh several shows under your

wing

you do shows with networks it's

and rory and wall have other [ __ ] going

on too everyone's got their own [ __ ]

going on

so carry on so with that

five or six million dollars a year you

want the rights to everything that

everyone does which is probably not

worth five or six i mean let's divvy it

up let's just let's figure it out

to the average person right they're

looking at you the same way they look at

athletes

yeah like right uh that they offered you

30 mil you're a [ __ ] because you

didn't take it

cuz to the average [ __ ] that's

on the internet 30 million dollars is

more money than them

their lineage is made so when you start

talking those numbers

they don't say yo you're valued at 100

million

they're just looking like you [ __ ]

you turned down to 25 million

the the bigger picture never even enters

their brain because they're not thinking

on those levels

right all right but let's play it out

though cause i'm reading too much from

people that are not playing it out

let's play it out i feel like just on

the stream for me if i put a book out

right

now i can get over him i can get over

him i agree with that

and then i've turned down i've turned

down book deals from

major publishing houses because

i'm pretty confident that i could get an

m alone so what do you think i would

charge

if my guys were putting a podcast book

or something of the sort out with me it

would have to go up right

right put it to the side somewhere

however you value that

what do you think your tv rights are

worth

some people may not feel like going

after that

that's important i tell the story all

the time of the division in my house

when

sin wanted to do love and hip hop and i

wanted us to start a love in hip-hop

right

hey that was set up that was immediate

that's a plug and play type of thing

she wanted to do it i'm your fiance

let's do it

but that's not my makeup tv rights

where do you put it you don't even have

to answer it i don't know

erickson do you put it somewhere you put

it somewhere i don't know what the value

of it figure it out in your head don't

tell me

just put it somewhere and now add that

to your book rights

and i don't think i have to explain

what's going on digitally

and out there right right digitally

you're combining that with advertising

right right we already see all of all

the uh

dsps now layering ads inside the podcast

like you can imagine what those things

are worth

those are three things right there and

then multiply times four people on the

podcast plus all the people

in the background doing work as well

they even get to that yet

yeah we didn't get to that part yet yeah

like

y'all wanted me to say yes to some of

those things

even if you did i wouldn't i wouldn't

even if you did i wouldn't that's just

people that's not thinking that

far ahead they don't know that's

something they just see they know like i

said they see the number

it's no different than you see these

people get signed into 360 deals

and then you look at the deal and it's

like how the [ __ ] would you sign that

right but that number changed their life

it's more than they ever thought that

they would see they they don't know

their own

value not it's a difference with that

too though because most people when you

first come into the music business even

though i don't claim to know a thing

about it

you're starving right you're desperate

you're brutal

in your position that you were in you

guys were already established it's a

different thing than signing the 360

deal

correct the average one focus on the 360

deal literally

has is in the projects or wherever the

[ __ ] they are no

but it's not no more they got artists

signing 360 deals that are

pretty much okay that's the thing

because you see

it can take you to the next level you

just don't realize what you've given up

i was about to say can they really see

that though

no they don't because they don't know

that's the same thing

we're all saying they don't they just

think this is what's going to get me to

the next level

they don't look at the value of how much

i'm giving up to get there

i might have made a mill five mil

whatever this deal on the table is 50

mil

but okay cool you're just an [ __ ]

there's a lot of that like yo if i'm

making

a million dollars by myself somebody's

telling me they're gonna give me 50

million dollars to sell my life to them

you don't have any confidence in

yourself if i made my five already right

why the [ __ ] can i make my own 50

right but some people don't and yeah

there's a small some people don't yeah

and that's the point

and if you bump into some of those

people you're going to argue with them

if you're on the other side

right you gotta stop like i lost if if

if i'm back to transparency

and only ian knows this of course i lost

sleep

one night during negotiations

it was one night and one night only

that i beat myself up didn't sleep

coffee [ __ ] all types of [ __ ]

and if i'm remembering correctly that

deal was if i'm not violating an nda

somewhere

somewhere in the ballpark of 10 million

dollars

audio only for me

that's cute but do i think it's close to

fear

value for audio only no

i joe budden stand firm in that so i

went home

cool but when i got past me

standing firm in that i got to what

everybody is saying

can i willingly say no to 10 million

dollars

audio and ask my guys

who i assume to never have seen that i

haven't right

uh to just sit back and wait for me to

find

another viable route to get more that

would be wrong

i beat myself up i spoke to the people i

trusted

that i needed to speak to and the same

thing that god always does

he did it again like right when i was

unsure they came back and

included some something something else

that changed the value of it that i

would never do and then it made the

decision really easy

right that was the only night i have a

lot of sleep let's let's

and you can stop me if i i say too much

but

what's happening right now is we're

making the same money that we would have

made roughly

in the spotify deal and we can we own

the rights to everything

you own the rights to everything let me

interrupt you

no what's happening is everyone's making

more

than if you would have stayed in the

spotify deal yes and i was about if i

was about to if i would have took the

deal

right the the new deal the new deal so

yeah everyone's making more

than if you took that dude everyone's

making more

okay everyone's make everyone's making

more maybe not alex

wait alex

trust me everyone's making more nobody

can do

[ __ ] if he signs that deal

right so sit that you see would not

exist right

if he does that deal because then you're

locked in because you're locking it

if you're making more and you have all

of your rights

to still be negotiated

i don't think you land in a better spot

than that i don't want to hear from the

internet executives um that's all i say

when you said um

yo you you lost sleep over the 10

million dollar

hypothetical um could you really go to

your guys and ask them yo

hold out a little longer and trust me

based on what i know i mean i probably

know a little bit more than average but

yeah you could you could if you guys

trust you

but based on a track record that has

already presented itself and this is

even for the outsiders

that are not inside based on where

you've landed

right always yeah i know what he's

saying i always say yeah

why not like i told you i told you yo

let's dug it

we're gonna tuck it for another i told

you i was like why not

it doesn't matter i told you i can't

hear everyone

i can't hear everyone wait i told you

before a while ago i was like yo you

know what

i ain't never doubting you again like

that but that's

seeing the path seeing not cause you're

a dick writer no no no

the internet says it i'm just addressing

it listen

but i've we've had that talk i was like

yo

i'm not doubting you again like when joe

say it even if it takes

10 years whatever he has the plan to get

it there

like and nothing's not willingness not

right and not for nothing

you don't come across many people that

have like

because what he's went through in his

his career

it puts him in the that's the right

person i've been [ __ ] by a bunch of

contracts

yeah you get what i'm saying i know how

to spot the [ __ ]

i know what value is [ __ ] people came to

me with contracts and i

yo what you think about this i don't

know nothing about this

i see now that's the stance that like my

mom and my dad take they don't know

nothing about anything that ever

is happening but what they say is i

trust you

that's right better to trust in somebody

who have a track record of the [ __ ] not

working when i don't get it

it's like when [ __ ] be doubting floyd

i'm not comparing you to floyd

but again like every single person

oh no he he got a recipe to beat him you

know what i'm saying so after a while

somebody just

continues to be successful or continues

to

bounce back you gotta kinda be like

they got it brady

right [ __ ] mahomes this year

everybody i was like yeah

so of course we know i'm the arguer i'm

not the dick rider but no i would i

would i'm

we can talk it and it's not thugging if

everyone's getting paid

but even if you weren't true right even

if you weren't right

let's dug it let's double true let's

hold out for something else no doubt i

believe in us more

than what i'm saying all right well now

let's now

[ __ ] are we here now uh okay you're

getting you're getting paid

you don't necessarily get along with the

people that you uh work with

maybe the people that you work with

y'all don't communicate the way you

would like

how do you go about that how do you

handle that depends on the situation you

gotta be a little more specific

everyone's running with this i just

speak foul to people thing

they're running with it now um i think

that on camera

that's easy to do because i'm i'm pretty

theatrical with it on camera

i think behind the scenes i ain't just

running around

ranting and yelling and screaming and

being a lunatic behind the scenes that

hasn't existed for quite some time

we argue a monopoly i mean we argue

we've argued in life but

uh not you can't really do it to me

because i'm a return of fire but for

somebody else

he thinks

now but for somebody else that may not

be as argumentative as

vocal as assertive as i am you could

definitely come off as the bully

right so i've never seen you

personally interact with them right i've

never seen you be disrespectful toward

them

but i've seen you be disrespectful to

other people

right so i don't know how you're conduct

and you've grown a lot to be honest

over the last four or five years you're

damning a whole different person

so i attribute some of that to growth

and maturity so i don't know if you

still

would conduct yourself like you would 10

years ago today

i don't i i haven't seen it it was high

no even be without the drugs i'm just

saying a lot no i'm just saying

but again you've grown a lot to the

point and you have the bigger picture in

mind

so i don't see you being as abrasive

or harsh you know what i'm saying like i

i can't you own 60

of our construction business i own 40

percent i want to get the

uh the tools and the things we need from

lowe's you want to get it from home

depot

where are we going to get it we have a

conversation

[Laughter]

right but i would ask you why you feel

like doing it

like why do you think lowe's is better

and if i disagree with what you're

saying that said it's better [ __ ]

no it's not enough i'm going to give my

home depot [ __ ] go down no no get in the

truck and stay there

yeah like yo again stop but but that's

not but that's what it is

that's a joke it could be a joke but i

think that's hilarious i can't even

laugh

at this [ __ ] i don't think it's funny no

you can't bro you can't

okay you can't [ __ ] going on you're the

bad guy the bad guy can't laugh

buddy you cannot laugh sorry sorry uh

somebody close to me was like yo you're

like me man and all the breakups and all

the breakups that you have people

automatically root for the other person

yeah yeah i see it floyd

no no don't say he's floyd though no but

they always joe's great

floyd you got my my analogy i understand

i get it but what you're saying

we don't have to look at it that way i

want all of the internet warriors

i want all of the comment executives

to play it out

since i was speaking in such code in

riddles last podcast

a million dollars let's take a million

dollars i don't know where that noise is

coming from

let's take a million dollars in whatever

respective field and this one we're

talking about podcasting

uh 20 is coming off the top to

management brings you down to 800 000

right

uh 10 is going off to

let's say your lawyers and accountants

right you're down to 700 000.

do you have an agency involved because

if you called the agency to ask

any question that helped you procure the

deal

they're coming for their standard 15

some smart people would argue them down

maybe to 10

maybe even lower you're down to what

six six at best right six at best

that's just commissions you haven't paid

anything else yet

right i think that's some of the math

that's missing from people

if every million is really 400

000 let's say i'll put 100 to the side

for miscellaneous things that

you won't even expect to encounter as a

business owner or entrepreneur

and let's say you hire two or three

people at bare minimum now your million

dollars turns into 450 400 really fast

right and now go bust it down yeah now

go bust it down and

try your best to deal with whatever

expenses from there

happen to happen up you happen to run

into right

now what does that matter look like

starving

yeah so then what the [ __ ] is going on

out here ish but again

mike please oh again you just

named seven or eight things that the

average working person does not

understand

when you go to work every day i don't

give a [ __ ] if you make 50 grand i don't

care if you make 400 000

a year right you're an employee

right you don't have expenses

they don't when you go work for [ __ ]

goldman sachs they pay you every two

weeks or every month however you get

paid

out of your paycheck you don't have to

go pay the sound crew

you don't got to pay the plumber you

don't got to pay anybody that's money

that they bring home so when you turn

down a 50 million dollar deal

they look at it like this [ __ ] turned

on a 50 million dollar deal

they don't look at it like yo out of

that 50

he might have saw three yeah they don't

again you are over their level of

comprehension because they are employees

even on a grander scale they could be an

employee making a million dollars

it's still one thing that they do they

show up and they have no responsibility

for anybody other than themselves now

giving people

i totally agree with you but giving

people a little more credit than that

even

ish right the trick that

the trick trickery normally comes where

in the music business everything we just

said happens

and then the funny accounting comes

oh you paid a million dollars to store

records over here oh really

oh you paid four million dollars in

videos i shot two videos what are you

talking about oh really

uh oh you paid five million dollars over

like what are you talking about that's

where the trickery comes in

it's not in the numbers it's what you're

attempting to do

with numbers and that be kind of my

point in whole

to to every creator because i'm dealing

with plenty of them and what i'm

learning is boy they crazy

the creators are [ __ ] crazy as [ __ ]

man the creators will argue some [ __ ]

i think you have to know right no

who understands that creators are crazy

better than me you might be the craziest

creators

so when they hit someone so when they

reach out

to say to argue things that are standard

in the business world

creator joe says okay

i get it i probably got like maybe three

hard lines

that i just have to have because my

attorneys wouldn't have it any other way

if i'm investing in something

but whatever creators say oh you got it

got you right look at it look in the

field karen's on the network

karen does 90 million other things

all right jordan well i did 90 million

other things under the spotify contract

but i had carved outs

i had things that weren't included in

that

see because once we get to whatever this

breakdown is we're doing all for every

million dollars right

where my brain goes is and this is only

mine

we're you naming all these other fields

working fields but we in podcasting

we're let's call it 29 hours a week

uh-huh tricky tricky

tricky trick i mean any week a month

29 hours a month call 30 for a nice even

number 30 hours a month versus the

average person

call it 30 hours a month call it

whatever you want

we do three hour pods at at a high

and twice a week longer than the six

times four

right what's what's six time four twenty

four twenty twenty four so now add the

extra six hours that we're here that's

30 hours

it's 30 hours a month

i'm not saying nothing more than that

what else needs to be said what my brain

would say

is if i'm doing this at this

clip then i could do this

at this clip right that's only me

what the hell do the uh do the executive

commenters not understand about any of

that

why are they telling me that this has to

be about money when everybody has money

this could be about something else right

it could be that's just

all right i'm done i'm done i'm done

don't get me started over here

i'm done what else you got for me

look everybody's sitting there with the

dumbfounded face in there confused

[ __ ] shaking their [ __ ] head you

just went to the emotional

[ __ ] simple

i don't have a friend better at math

than you what are you shaking your head

about

thank you this is all simple [ __ ] this

ain't just me you go through [ __ ] in

in your field right i do all day so

that's why i can relate

what what yeah give me the parent give

me the parallel all right so

i get uh i own a construction company as

you know well

i get a 400 000 construction job

they think that's my money the home

owners even think

yo i paid you for no you didn't pay me

[ __ ]

yo you wanted granite you wanted marble

you wanted

[ __ ] shaker door you wanted all this

fancy [ __ ] that you see in these stores

and that you see on pinterest

that [ __ ] costs money so when you give

me 400 grand granted you might have

given me 400 000

my take home might have been

on on a good day 60. if that

but again then your workers looking at

you with the

ungrateful face my [ __ ] my

workman's comp insurance might have been

60 000 last year

they don't have overhead oh [ __ ] i

forgot about podcast insurance

so again look they don't have overhead

so again 450 to 350.

turn that 450 to 350. just in case

somebody sues us

over something that was said on here we

should be protected

you got to have that again back to i've

been there where i did

business that just wasn't right see i

think that's the part that's taken for

granted also and we have 54 minutes

we're not getting past the hour with

some of this redundant stuff

that may not be so redundant this is the

part that people neglect to get with

at this level of business

everything is fact checked

hello hello

living room commenters stupid

at this level of business there is no

lie

you can't lie even if i want to lie

you got accountants i can't lie

everything's documented

i can't lie so when they say

hey send me over your metrics for this

month at this time send me over some

thinking that says

that you're worth whatever you're worth

and explain it to me walk me through it

so they can take it to their board or

their

senior executive level they have to go

get this stuff approved this stuff

all of this stuff has to be agreed on by

like hundreds and hundreds of people

hey when the internet starts talking

crazy oh joe budden is a piece of [ __ ]

he's abusive

the people in business with joe got a

call and said hey man

is there any truth to this can we go to

court and

prove what they're saying no you can go

to court and see the exact opposite all

right just make sure

gotta check that's crazy it's just all

fact check

is all i'm saying so no there is no

hypothesizing there is no

pulling [ __ ] out of thin air at this

level of business

everybody got to be verified and

certified and it's not ian and joe

sitting in a uh uh pewter tower

painted gold to look fancy controlling

everything below them

these [ __ ] hit me about my driver

driving me around

[Laughter]

i'm just telling y'all what's going on

out here in the streets but we can move

on we can move on and i wish everybody

well

people's on the bus why you got the

driver you're supposed to uber

listen i totally understand this the

toughest thing in the world

and this is a strength of mine but only

only me and

a few other people everybody in the

world has trouble letting go

it's tough when you're used to some

things when you're accustomed to things

when things are convenient when you have

utilized things

for a certain amount of time actually

[ __ ] all that that i just said

right i went skydiving

as part of like a album roll out i

wanted to do it

i got to the air the instructor said i'm

gonna open the door

you got the outfit on we're gonna pull

the thing you're gonna hold me tight

but when we count to three you let go

and jump

and just let your body go and he said

one

two three yo man

get off me

i wanted to skydive i drove there

to skydive two hours but when it was

time to let go

i was afraid i didn't know what was

coming next

i wasn't prepared right and you never

did it before

so that was there was a lot of fear of

the unknown involved

my cousin michael paul he's a doctor he

went out and bought a car

he bought the newest and prettiest tesla

he's over at [ __ ] my dad's house he's

talking about a tesla he says yo man

i've walked out of home depot

me and such and such i pressed the

button the car validate itself to me

it pulled up to me and i got right in

when i get on the highway for the long

drives when i tell you about the

autopilot feature on the tesla

man it is the best you can basically

fall asleep

and the car will drive you somewhere all

they got to happen is

you gotta keep your hand on the wheel

every five minutes so that the car

knows that you're awake and you're

watching and you're sensible

and my dad who's 60 plus set

and he drives with two feet said well

that's got to be really

tough to get accustomed to

i would have a hard time

you guessed it letting go letting go

i would have a hard time letting go and

letting this machinery

just lead the way without any

implication for me

letting go is hard no matter where you

put it when i had to retire from rap the

only thing i knew

it was a let go process boy was it tough

i had some resentment i didn't think

anybody else knew how tough it was

but you let go everybody in here has had

a relationship

that may have been difficult to let go

of and then in a few years you looked

back and said

man what the [ __ ] was i on back then

shut up the [ __ ] did she have me doing

i've moved cross country a couple times

letting go is tough yes letting go is

tough i imagine that if you

if you have uh ingratiated

us into your system for the last three

four years however long it's been then

letting go of that dynamic

is tough but you can't learn you can't

do anything new if you don't that's

it and that's not an indictment toward

us at all because i want the guys to

come back and us to do what we got to do

yeah me too i think they will we'll see

i think nobody wants them to come back

more than i do

now music music enough for this tangent

we've been here for an hour

new music came out no new old music came

out too

do y'all want to talk about the new old

music or no new old music

uh he was it just one of them or did he

do all that all throughout

he put out three old new projects

yeah all right garbage art dealer chick

yeah

excuse me i'm sorry you're not you're

not cultured and then got the nerve to

say finally on his instagram post

finally is what he says with a period

art dealer chic one two three available

on all streaming platforms

this was for my truest fans more to come

love you this is a lie why yeah why

his truest fans have these songs oh uh

maybe not though because

soundcloud only i think yeah that's not

true that's not true

i don't think his two friends may have

him right now

they may have had them at one point he

put out candle in the sun

a different version but we have that

yeah he put out a door we have oh yeah

yeah his truest fans have all the songs

that were but there's two other songs on

either six

total songs i mean if you're a big

miguel fan which i

am especially this era i would like to

have those songs right

i am a big miguel fan too so

i need more than this i mean i need more

than sure

these songs that i have but this is

different versions

it's little fam it is 2021

people are preparing to go outside again

music will be in effect outside again

i agree not only do you have to deal

with all of the new emerging artists

that are kind of solidified her meg

whoever

else you have to deal with the artist

that was ready to emerge

last year before the [ __ ] shut down

you're gonna have to deal with waiting

lists from venues when it's time to

perform i'm saying if you are

artist it ain't now is not the time

to re-release things i'm not mad we

getting into the summer

why not though why not use the

re-release as the rollout correct

maybe maybe maybe i don't have anything

else when does it work when does that

work

recently when has that worked recently

well who's the re-release is the rollout

who who else has done the release is a

rollout no what everyone's doing is

they're doing the deluxe with four new

songs

a month maybe two months after the

original project came out

that's very different from i'll talk

about the re-releases

i love it you know weekend just did it

re-release

drake did it a couple years ago he did

uh he did care package and he did so far

gone he re-released

yeah like i'm not mad at the re-release

only because

drake's re-release was a release

it sold 300 was the number one album

sold 375 copies that was still out the

label was treating that

like a release i agree but that's not

what's happening with miguel releasing

three different projects of three songs

i think

miguel's time out he's releasing he's

releasing

soundcloud only or wherever they were

wherever they lived i don't know where

it was but it wasn't on dsps

he's re-releasing them now so people can

get them again and not have to go dig

through old

debt piffs or whatever the [ __ ] and make

a couple dollars in the process

i'm not not mad at nobody trying to make

a couple dollars in the process but

let's call a spade a spade that is what

it is

we're trying to make a couple of dollars

in a time where a couple dollars is hard

to come by

which i'm not gonna let park say is the

same as drake's label feeling confident

about re-released records

being the number one album in the

country with four hundred and thousands

four hundred thousand records not the

same as what miguel's doing

and don't say it's the same that's all

i'm saying that's it

it's the same concept just different

level of star

yeah drake can put out an album of him

whispering

and not even and even when he did it i

had all those songs

yeah but you that's you know how many

people i i've

i listen to them records all the time

you know how many people was like

damn yo that's available on streaming

there you don't stream no there's a lot

of people who

only get their music from streaming if

it doesn't matter

and then an entire new generation who

knows nothing before streaming

i saw somebody tweet what the [ __ ] does

burning a cd mean

and it wasn't a troll we are there

though there's people that probably

don't know what

they're music girls bro i've had friends

why are you

why are you following me that's the way

that's the way social media works

against me

following 17 year olds it gets retweeted

but i wasn't following you you're

married now you don't have to do that no

more

hey that's the way it worked but nah

like people

get all their music from streaming

that's all they know

so anything that existed prior i see

people tweet j cole all the time yo

put friday night lights on on on dsps

big sean's talking about putting detroit

on dsps

like they all should they should i want

you to shoot

oh they would love it yeah i wish we

could get the sessions for the

[ __ ]

people do say that to me too but it's

like what's the plan

the plan wouldn't end that let me put

some old music out and

but like you said the benefits let me

re-record my first album like

yeah they're half of me recording

they getting it cleared whatever they

got to do and it's going out

i love miguel so i'm never going to be

against anything that he's doing i love

him i love his

uh relationship i love him but you're

not going to get me to feel better about

these types of i like that [ __ ] i'm not

mad at it i was hyped when i seen miguel

named near three times and i clicked on

it and it was the songs

come on man come on man from 2012 though

come on

i'm saying it's 20 21 i get it i get it

but there are fans that would want to

hear this and they don't know how to do

i'm a miguel fan and i was outside in

this time i don't have them

i've sent someone a zip file i've sent

someone a zip file

and they said all right how do i get

this on my phone

like people don't even know even if you

download a zip file

you cannot just like how we used to do

back in the day import it into your

itunes and drag it to your phone

the phone is set to not allow that

anymore you got to turn some [ __ ] off

and and play with some settings in order

to be able to do that so people don't

realize

oh so you mean i can just put music on

my phone i don't have to

just stream it from the the the dsps

it's possible

i didn't know that that's where we are

you know i'm not a tech guy i

definitely didn't know that that's where

we are now i still listen to most of my

[ __ ] from my

library but everything i have you know

y'all know my library it's it's not to

be flipped with but

that's me there's a lot of people they

like the convenience who determines that

your library is not to be [ __ ] with

you

you you

you got this record can you send this to

me yeah i got you literally on the

podcast like damn i say put the [ __ ] in

my [ __ ] yeah

yo [ __ ] uh no could you put the music

in my computer but that don't mean you

just reign supreme you got

900 jeezy songs another 1800 wayne songs

and then your computer lacks substance

no that no you got a lot of [ __ ] let me

do it i mean how much do a level you got

i got enough exactly exactly let's get

it

exactly ain't got that dual leap on deck

he might have to do it

i do have to do actually yeah though i

tried listening to her music

i just get [ __ ] now now i'm just a

hoarder like honestly have i get [ __ ] i

ain't gonna listen to

i just get it to have it cause somebody

might want it somebody might need it

it's mine

rust dropped yeah a single bankrupt

bankrupt russ isn't bankrupt no he's

he's bankrupt yeah you know he's he is

up and is stuck

the guys should be back in the morning

god

should be back up way to go

parks uh all right is that what you want

me to do you want me to report on the

new vic mensa table

he drops the tape he drops tape did

anybody hear it i did not hear it oh

okay

all right well what else i like rob

dropped out

that sounded nice man dolphin key glock

dropped the album man let's

break it down i like that rod i like

that broadway super dope

the mic is right here bro oh you said

dumb and dumb or what dumb and dumber

too

that's young dolph and key glock which

is his artist

on uh paper route empire records okay

they dropped their second

i don't know if this makes tape album i

don't know how it goes anymore

project project they dropped their

second project i'm i'm shocked to see

them put a 20-song project out right

away but

you know whatever yeah but it's like

half-doff half glock and then

joint records same way they did the last

project it's just

you know if you into that they gave it

exactly they did

exactly what they were supposed to do

okay

and then um i know money back yo and and

future money back yo in future put out a

love song

i didn't hear it it's a love song okay

it sounds like a love song

if you're in love it's cool but what's

going on

not like your relationship it's toxic or

like

uh no they're like it's two toxic dudes

that love her now

oh okay yeah and and what's name what's

the name it's hard for the next

toxic dudes that are making it hard for

the next man

okay with the way that they're spending

so they're applying pressure

that's yeah that's real life because you

know that's the new thing now you have

to apply pressure oh it's

come on i'm on that i don't know what

you brokees are doing

[Music]

are you applying pressure out there ice

i'm applying pressure oh

i am actually i'm having fun with it

okay okay let me hit it all right 1400

ups

i got a baby oh

[Laughter]

what's up you making it hard for the

next nah no pressure

making it easy yeah you're not gonna

share you're not going to tell nothing

about it now they can follow me

i'll make it easy for them

[Laughter]

they can follow me yo nobody wants to

get on the phone i'm talking about like

the real stuff like what you're not

no i think that's pretty real he's

making it easy

everybody follow me bro i got it all

right it's easy all right don't tell

what about you

no no he's they can follow me the [ __ ]

could follow me

the [ __ ] could follow that's what

they're saying you say they're nice

the next is all set is what you're

saying i get it now i thought he was

saying something else

it's only me though

actually the better question is how are

y'all dealing not being

suckers out here like you all are being

noble right

y'all got your principles i tricked him

cory showed me a text exchange between

him and somebody where he was honorable

he ain't no [ __ ]

but boy was wow wow yeah what a man

move yo you really told her

she can't take up all of your time buddy

you drew a line in the sand

now honorable man dick dry as can be

but cool now you two gentlemen i won't

speak to your statuses

but y'all ain't moving and shaking out

here like the new world order would

demand

no you're not sending crypto to [ __ ]

right

no no you got bitcoin in your house

you're not building houses for chicks no

birken bags no

chanel leaving no no heels

michael kors no versace roll

versace tower why all right all right my

new question

why are you guys's girls with you guys

cause they love it oh

all right don't worry about it don't

worry about it

oh the streets yeah i thought you were

talking about the streets i do it in the

streets but i mean

we know yeah no we know yeah don't stop

stop stop that's what you got that's

what has these accounting issues

coming up hey just though we clear i'm

spending my

own money t-double d over there on your

strippers my own money and escorts

and love and love potential love

interest

like i said even that's a joke i'm

[ __ ] i had a girl doing there

oh like i ain't willing out there like

that that trick on her

ridiculous that's nice that's what

you're supposed to do he's supposed to

trick on you

that's nothing wrong with that that's

not true that's your support that's not

true it's not even tricking

it's not no it's not if it's your girl

it don't matter it's not true it's

something wrong with it on valentine's

day when

all the other girls you might have been

speaking to says hey saw your

instagram's

valentine's day yeah generously didn't

know that was going on you're not her

i didn't even know you i didn't even

take you for that type of guy

that's why you do all of that they're

there they never watching

they never bought the ronnie romance up

well that's their version of that

i quickly respond and say well hey i had

a plan with that

i had a bunch of chicks just like you

that i wanted nothing to do with

and i was trying to tell y'all

i was trying to say yo dawg not the

capacity and you wouldn't stop

so now i had to go divulge my [ __ ]

love for real like

look what you made me do show you my

girl

when she got it like come on that's

corny [ __ ] [ __ ] that's corny [ __ ]

anyway oh we're done with music are we

done with music

good luck no that's not it galon came

out r b one of my favorite acts you

wouldn't know about him because you just

listened to

dolph and all this other [ __ ] gallon

came out

he says it's the ep but it's eight

records uh eight amazing songs here's

some of the features brandy aaron ray

van gessen you know the vibes if you in

the gallant

he dropped something that's in the

galant bag check it out pick it up i'll

play a sleeper later but shout out to

him

uh there's another r b trevor jackson

trevor jackson dropped an album

uh not many people know about him he's

still up and coming but a r

b act that has dropped fire in the past

he put a project out

uh there's a new gentleman on the screen

you slow you too slow for me buddy

get back to the new guy that you said

dropped an album derek king

i'm not familiar with derek king i'm

assuming this is a newer act

he dropped a project as well i'm

assuming it's important because screen

man put it up there

uh saigon dropped something pain peace

and prosperity alchemist and

arm and hammer saigon right now just

step on him with

alchemists talk okay chuck sean yeah

shout out to saigon i haven't heard this

but i really hope that he has

peace and prosperity one of my guys

friend of the show

of course uh

hammer underground [ __ ] my bag not ice

is bag