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what is this

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i'm not throwing money so the women are

not dancing with me your [ __ ] are so

toxic and don't even hear

microphone check one two what is this

what episode is this welcome to episode

430 of the joe budden podcast i'm your

humble gracious grateful and highly

favored host joe budden

uh here with a few of my nearest and

dearest parks is here

erab is here my indigestion is here

alex is here ish is here ice is here

corey is here imani is here st vaughn is

here

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uh gentlemen how's everyone doing

as good as you can oh yeah

can you leave out now you're living with

that or something you want

it's coming on again that's why i don't

want you all to be so sad slipping's

coming on again man

but it's okay embrace this [ __ ] i

remember this feeling when big left

i don't want to get in the names i

remember this feeling way too way too

often a lot of us are old enough to

remember this is difficult

it's difficult it is it's one of those

things we get some people that i never

i never imagined the world with prodigy

passing

right i just didn't think that i never

thought that i would be

here to see it x is one of those people

for me uh

we want to start this by saying rest in

peace to dmx

as if we haven't said it enough but

we'll continue to say it as long as we

need to we want to pray for his family

his children

uh his fans anybody who's had the

privilege of meeting

meeting him a friend to many

inspiration to many an example for many

uh a pastor

a father uh the titles go on and on

with this man um the news broke this

morning

that uh actually the the family put out

a put out a

letter right so i'll read the letter i

think it's appropriate to start that way

uh dmx's team shared a statement that

begins

we are deeply saddened to announce today

that our loved one dmx birth name of

earl simmons

passed away at 50 years old at white

plains hospital

with his family by his side after being

placed on life support for the past few

days

earl was a warrior who fought till the

very end

he loved his family with all of his

heart and we cherish the times we spent

with him

earl's music inspired countless fans

across the world

and his iconic legacy will live on

forever

we appreciate all of the love and

support during this incredibly difficult

time

please respect our privacy as we grieve

the loss of our brother

father uncle and the man the world new

as dmx

we will share information about his

memorial service once details are

finalized

ah and that was the grim

the grim news that many of us were

afraid we would receive

uh as a result of the heart attack

at least that's what they're reporting

from it the heart attack slash od

but i'm gonna get into that part of it

right now

um wednesday morning is when i did a lot

of my

crying i was alone it's by myself

uh to the jbp fans out there i did speak

to

i did speak to rory at some point and

when we talked about this and

and the sadness of him not being able to

be present

for this episode i know the dmx meant a

lot to both rory and maul

so i want to shout them out as well

right now uh

and i want to ask the room of men in a

room full of

hip-hop lovers how's everybody doing

this this one's rough man it's hard i

mean it's never easy but

it's it's dmx like you i'm not putting

words

this was just rough rough fool

it's not rough it's not rough for him

and that's my thing and

and and as as someone who knows people

personally connected to dmx

my heart is like i like i tear up but

i'm like kind of tearing up for them

because i think honestly x is good like

he did his job he did what he needed to

do

i i just like the people around him who

are really suffering with losing him

like it's bad

and i don't know i can't

i don't speak no more now uh listen

without being

close to people that are close to him if

i've

ever heard a man in my life

that i believed believed

that he was in more pain here

than he would be not here

it is dmx yeah

um if i ever thought i heard a

man and i'm saying man and not rapper

because i don't want to minimalize his

contribution to

the world if i've ever met a man

who you know i say it all the time a lot

of us talk that spirituality [ __ ]

but you could tell when somebody lives

it

and that was very much prevalent in in

in dmx

so if i ever thought there was a man

that truly believed

that there was something for us in the

afterlife

or something waiting for us or that it

was nothing but hell on earth

it's x so that's why i asked sad for who

i cried

because that's what i do when the people

i love leave

but i can't say i'm sad for him

personally

i can't and i don't want maybe it's the

wrong time

for me to say that but i can only talk

about how

i feel hours ago i mean

and it's not it's not it's not to

highlight any of the

any of the ups and downs

but even in the ups and downs like when

you look back on the road like

x line and the cops telling them that he

was a cop of some [ __ ]

he got some wild story listen ex walking

out the crib in arizona and just

shooting at some [ __ ]

listen we've heard enough x stories to

note it all right he lived the fullest

yeah x was living out his worth you

[ __ ] right he did it his way

man i ha i will always just always

have not only the uh most amount of

utmost respect for him

the utmost respect for the road that

he paved himself

the role he played in my life my career

listen x is immortal too

and that part yeah he is immortal he is

a legend his music will live on forever

in all of us anybody that's ever

listened to it

you know so crazy though to me outside

of the music him

just the man is more important through

music like i i love his music don't get

me wrong but i just love dmx

me too like no i want to say earl

like he just always just came off as

just a real person

living whatever floors whatever demons

but he he just all

just always came up as a good person um

it's just you know i think when it comes

to death we just get selfish

because we want to keep people here for

us and of course i'm learning how to

just allow people to transition

and to that next level and he did it and

he left his mark

as a man not just as an artist true that

is what you want though

you know you want to leave a mark you

know what i mean

what more could you ask for in life yeah

you want to leave a legacy something

that

years down the line it's still going to

be here

you know your impact will never ever

ever be taken away

but a real mark though even just the

real mark i'm just going to work i'm not

even saying i'm just saying oh mark

though curious

that's lucky like you know not many get

to do that yeah facts

i always say rap years like in rap years

you kind of got a double so if you were

a rapper and you died at 50

like you probably got 100 years of life

out of that

i i normally i'll say it here i normally

say

if you throw addiction in that you could

probably live even

four maybe five life life's in one

um so it was a roller coaster man but

the thing about it

uh x touched so many people

through his music but personally like

most the times that i

bumped into x i bumped into x

i was in a studio where i wasn't

supposed to be at and bumped into him

i was walking down collins in miami and

bumped into him

i was in atlanta somewhere and bumped

into him

like you could see him and speak to him

and he would talk to you no matter what

the [ __ ] was going on with him

no matter how he felt about living life

earth whatever demons he may have been

fighting he put him to decide to deliver

to us humble servant of the people

we're gonna miss you ex we're gonna miss

you

and boy have you left your mark on me

and

millions of other people um i can only

imagine the amount of grief

going through yonkers going through

hip-hop going through the people that

played a part

in his career uh we saw the steve rivkin

vid

he looked troubled he looked choked up

he even had to make a video addressing

the state of x

yeah uh we saw the the the

ever-growing crowd outside of white

plains hospital

blasting music

i don't want anybody to beat themselves

up like

you tend to do when people you love die

you feel like you could have done more

you should have done

more could i have been there could i

have

like that's a real natural thing during

death yeah especially when it's a a

question of

addiction and depression and all the

factors that were kind of at play here

oh i didn't have nothing

we love you x man that's all we do and

thank you

yes thank you a million thank yous man

we love you earl

yeah you know dmx yeah he's dmx but

earl was so much more important so shout

outs to earl simmons

yeah i was watching the video with a

roller coaster him and his daughter man

she was alive that was great that's what

did it

that's what did it couldn't hold it back

and i got a good laugh out of that man

look at

x just fathering

and listening to x loving father voice

the the calm don't worry voice yeah

loving yeah

you put the high pitch into it too but

still still

it's funny because they don't know

that's the that that line is important

in the dad to bag like hey daddy's here

don't worry daddy's here yes whatever

comfort that gives you i'm

here with you that's big in daddy

pamphlet land oh yeah

teddy pet flip i'm in that i'm a bag

right now actually that's that's the

thing so

she daddy's here don't worry um that's

how you got to calm them down

they supposed to know that when daddy's

there you you know you're good you got

[ __ ]

yeah but i could also see where a lot of

the toxicity comes from

in boys from real early my son fall down

bump his head

you're not hurting you're not here yeah

yeah yeah yeah do you not hate big boy

that's toxic take it like this no take

it like that yeah

yeah that's not right that's hard my

poor baby's not a man

some days some [ __ ] are super toxic

like get your ass up man

what yeah don't you cry that's not crap

yeah

[ __ ] that's correct you better not cry

man i i seen that one take it like a man

it was rough like everybody felt bad i

saw somebody's

son fall he must have been like a year

and a half

arm hanging off and you better doing

them

everybody was like yo family a baby [ __ ]

that get your ass up

yeah yeah yeah nah uh anyway man

dmx what can i say what can i say about

you man

i love you i'm glad i was able to tell

you how much i love you

uh my family loves you and i'm glad you

know

i'm glad you were able to know that i'm

just glad i'm glad i had the privilege

and the honor

of just kicking it i'm glad he had that

versus

i mean i you got a chance to

have millions of people

give you your flowers so to speak you

know what i mean it's too many times

people pass

and they don't get to have that you know

it's always a

after the fact this time you know he got

that so

i mean but excellent but it's good to

see it's good he got that

you know i was able to get that that was

a great night amazing that was great

that was one of my favorite versus by

the way

yeah the banter was top-notch now it's

great

yeah look at x man

he loved what he did that's a [ __ ] like

look at snoop

even when he talked you know he loved

what he did

snoop always cool

but yeah damn it rest in peace wrestling

sex we love you miss you bring that gap

man man thank you yeah you got it

come on come on man come on do your job

mr mediator you gotta be on that

you gotta lighten this up i ain't know

you [ __ ] like that

we all grew up here yeah i know but i

mean she only cry all week don't worry

so i come around and get the blue horn

yeah but no you throwing crying you're

throwing it in the [ __ ]

[ __ ]

that is the bad part about pardon like

you got to deal with some [ __ ] yeah what

i see

you got to talk about some [ __ ] get

teary

yeah man oh let's see all right i got it

i got an image

i got it man those don't cry

yeah yeah i got it but i'm on celebrate

i'm celebrating life man

actually it was it was just this was

that [ __ ] not slipping

video x was that [ __ ] x was like prince

he hated all y'all

he ain't here to say it so i'ma say it

irv has said it people have said it

he hated y'all so

the instagram pics are great but

x ain't [ __ ] true [ __ ] with you [ __ ]

with you

this record really always do it though

it does like i don't care what this

record will do it

i'm just saying this will always pick

you like you sounding like you was kind

of like yeah

no i'm giving him his props it's working

right now because i'm ready to celebrate

i'm ready to two-step

damn i wish oh man

one of x's favorite songs is uh this

bill weathers record i wish we uh

bill withers oh man shout outs to ray

copeland i wish i remember the song

he was playing yesterday but damn i wish

i remember

all right we'll see if you can figure

out figure it out let us know yeah shout

outs to

oh oh man if you think i'm not going up

for x or during the x strip club set

tonight

you gotta throw it yeah you gotta throw

it up with both hands

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killer [ __ ] know who i'd be

and i hope they don't let me know

hey i hope they don't let me know who

they be yeah

yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah [ __ ] with x2

[ __ ] watch

yeah play around yeah yeah it's gonna be

a nice set it's gonna be a nice set

tonight man

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listen when when prince died i was out

at all lunch parties with the ill

princess

for real yeah

but i was only going to the parties

where the people knew

the categories i'm not playing with

y'all [ __ ] that's just

clout chasing hypebeastin uh and i i

imagine that same thing will happen for

x

of course yeah man already inside a punk

man let me think of

what rapper may have impacted me the way

x did

for me like hove impacted me but more so

you irvington [ __ ] because that's that

drug game is not

that was never mine i know you do houses

now

that's usually what they do yeah yeah

yeah you cleaned all that [ __ ] up

my

[Laughter]

oh so x just i don't know man maybe it

was the depression thing all the

depressed rappers x scarface

um that's your [ __ ] i could see the

parallel yeah i could see it 100 percent

that's it

and poc and you love dogs uh

the first ones in the movie [ __ ] too

right like big screen

like will smith too but i'm saying like

you know in those roles like where they

kind of represented

our culture our culture yeah yeah i

could probably kind of like the first

one

i forgot cuba's in 91 boys another

follow about cube yeah

t was acting pretty early but listen to

get dmx

to act right i can imagine getting x to

the studio to do a song might have been

tough for

his handlers so to get him to the set

every

[ __ ] round with steven seagal in them

do you think x really was vibing with

steven seagal that was his man i'm

joking

that was his man i'm getting around but

i'm saying it had to be tough getting on

the set

and he took that [ __ ] serious and his

price was

up and he stayed alive to do a run

of movies like they took pot from us

after he was amazing in

poetic justice and in juice right

like when he died they said he had more

movie gigs coming yeah i'm sure he had

yeah related oh no he just finished the

job

gridlock good luck and there were some

people to even say hey man if they don't

take

pock i'm not gonna say that he wouldn't

have been a bigger actor than he would

have been

no some people said acting skills were

better than his music skills well they

said

yeah even how he got the juice gig was

he just showed up to the audition with

somebody else he went with shock g

he was shocked she's not talking like

you know who shark g is shut the [ __ ] up

now he went with the [ __ ] shock g and

just auditioned and got the [ __ ] off the

cuff like he wasn't there to audition

for you old [ __ ] want to tell the

audience who shocked g

is yeah everybody knows everybody

that's the problem that's the problem on

your panties right that's just the

problem

everyone doesn't know everybody don't

know who shocked you so you gotta

they put out uh their album sex packets

n91 digital underground was the group

where uh that did uh uh that did uh same

stuff uh same song

same song that was a movie soundtrack

and and that was the park debut that was

the park debut

they were driving around wanting to hang

around with the underground girls used

to frown saying damn when i come around

gasps me

is that the right song if they could

kiss it song right harass me but now

they asked me if they could kiss me yeah

he buys a quick eight bars he body does

that's a quick eight bars rest in peace

pock man

my body duck

yeah he went from doing a humpty dance

to here

every time somebody of like this stature

passes though i start thinking of all

the other people in that class it's like

wait can i ask y'all a

digital underground question man if you

want to age up some more

come on man don't ask because it might

have just been me um did y'all always

know

shocked no no no what's the question

did we always know that shock g was

humpty

i'm asking a question yeah [ __ ] well

you was in high school [ __ ]

all right so joe you didn't know all

right

young listeners that depend on us for

hip-hop cultural takes

my bad god damn it y'all drying up all

the vaginas listening oh my

god who the [ __ ] is what i'm good and

young dolph and uh

wait wait wait about to disrespect

right yo my mom got the biggest laugh at

the last party ice saying he hoped to be

as smooth

as ronald eisley when he turned 70. no

that was me that said that they say that

yeah people don't know who's saying what

i'm off on the camera would still be

funny if you said it's funnier if i said

it but

wait wait i can't be as cool as ron let

me tell you something buddy

[Laughter]

hey

hey i don't think he was trying to be

smooth with the verses that [ __ ] rolled

out of bed

to pass the chinchilla give me the

shades and the hat

and look like man look at that guy look

at that guy

uh all right where we at where we at

where we at where we at rest in peace to

act

still shut out yonkers still shout out

to his family still the kids still

i hope they got everything in order

shouts to rough riders

word yeah d y swiss cross

disco ray copeland i want to read what

swiss said

uh because it looked like he just kind

of echoed what i was saying

uh we have it here uh swiss says on

instagram i truly i'm truly beyond

devastated

but i'm so happy my brother is no longer

in pain i echo that [ __ ] man

i watched him take everyone's pain and

make it his own i send my love and

support to his entire family

my brother we will never let them forget

your name and you will live forever

fame long live king king dmx

the great aka my brother for life earl

simmons

damn dog i know he's in a lot of pain

right now yeah

swiss yeah yeah i know he is

every time i saw him this whole week

that's all i could think

because i mean we were praying and we

were hoping for a miracle

but i mean in the back of our minds

probably didn't you know probably didn't

read the greatest or sound the greatest

when you start talking about that type

of accident um

i'm just glad i'm happy for x man x i

love you

there i'll cry later if i have to see

him

now some tears gonna drop later oh yeah

i already know i'm not gonna cry during

the exit in the strip club

and i'm talking about me i wasn't saying

for you i gotta turn up for x there

that's not gonna look right i'm turning

up for x you tearing i'm going out

dancing i'm going out for x tonight [ __ ]

that i gotta do it

i gotta do it i want you gonna spend

what would x do 10 no x will rob

somebody

nah nigga's better now tonight i better

not see 10 come out nobody pocket

tonight it's on

it's back to my old days now for ex

huh wait that's how you feel all night

listen don't pay this [ __ ] don't mind

it what is he talking about breaking no

damn house

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if you think i think the ring would

deter me from getting in somebody's

house

you got another thing coming

we got the hookah we got the bottles we

got the eye all in the ring

what is nuts what we got to get to man

albums came out

no cause all the artists are scared to

put albums out because they can't tour

and they all broke

a little bit came out but not not

that was harsh i jumped the gun i jumped

the gun a little bit

all the majors are waiting hey belly

drop belly drop two singles

oh i throw this out nah two singles i'll

take them what would benny and uh if you

know you know

both dope records i didn't sounded like

a warm-up now you know

yeah i know now he told you i'm checking

this out shout out to belly friend of

the show

i want to hear this yeah it's dope dope

records uh miguel

dropped a four pack part of the what's

it called artist chic

chic art dealer art dealer chic

number four what do you think about that

joint uh two two out of four

were right look at joe trying to start

trouble yeah he is he is

i ask you a question no parks talk to me

but he didn't really answer my call okay

two of the four rides oh okay all right

so if you you giving me four records

oh boy here you go you get a f you got a

f5

what's that what's miguel's last drop

how long uh

that was yo

that is not his last drive all right so

you had

over two years that was the last lap yes

no question i'm joking by the way i'm

joking i love miguel all right last drop

was what

2017. okay yeah so this is 2021. yes

hold on hold on that's four years you

give me a four pack

four years later and only two of them

slap

let's call it like that's 50 f that's a

f

bro that's not a d that's a d

it's not a f that's a f it's not a c

what is it

four records if if i give you four

records and two of them you can rock

with i think that's a b

after four years i'm sure he must have

exactly

what's the d yeah what's the d then if

three records rock what is that

it depends it depends it depends on on

how hard the two records slap

of the four like if one of them is

coffee like when coffee came out it came

out on the ep first right yeah

and i didn't care about school i didn't

care about what else was going on

but that's the reason why i ended up on

album because

[ __ ] you heard coffee i know that's the

same

that's it yeah i'm with you have you

ever seen miguel's wife

he's chilling yeah

yeah i'm making this the nft anymore

it's called art dealership it should be

an editor

do that then yeah you know what now i'm

capping for

i'm capable if i made a dorn i don't

care what y'all said yeah [ __ ] yeah what

are y'all talking about and i made

that whole album what's the album

kaleidoscope dreams that's not

what you i don't want to hear from you i

could drop some trash if i want to

that's not true as long as we get it

no no no no i didn't listen to it that's

not fair that's not fair that's not

that's underwhelming it's not true

whether we heard it or not you have to

understand he has not released

uh a full body of work and you said the

past what 44 years right right

ain't getting one either and and he

might help you all out

y'all gonna get art dealership all the

way to like 35.

is incentivized right this second to

take their music

and sell it to y'all they're gonna

nibble and [ __ ] you [ __ ] down and

miguel ain't exempt from that that's

true

and y'all want a classic from miguel no

i don't want a classic yeah you do

yeah i don't know but if you're only

giving out four right because that's not

hard this isn't supposed to be that it's

like a little mixtape damn nearly

whatever

when fat puts out a mixtape it's a

mixtape the fan base the fan base is

fickle in the sense of he gave us

kaleidoscope

uh and dream and we felt that was a

classic that's amazing

can we agree that that's a classic to me

so now not enough to you it's a classic

classic so anything he does after that

we're going to hold him up to that

yes why would it be why would he be in

such a

rush that's not going to live up to that

we're not holding you up to that

part everybody talk over each other at

the same time i'm sorry

let me answer your money real quick i'm

not holding him to that classic

i'm holding you to your discography

that's it so whatever you put out

you know i'm comparing it to everything

else he only had two albums before that

he caught a classic on his second album

bam he's had a shitload of eps and

mixtures

you're not even r b dude why are you

doing this to miguel

maxwell would never oh

of course you know yeah

[Laughter]

[Laughter]

oh it's down wait are the numbers going

up the streets or backwards joe

you guys adam payton adam cloud peyton

adams

if

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can [ __ ] with maxwell on that versus

[ __ ] too

y'all gonna think i'm crazy saying this

i think

listen listen listen i get it maxwell is

maxwell

yeah y'all need to know music

there's a snowfall

[Applause]

not the pod part because you're all

getting the potty parts oh [ __ ]

y'all [ __ ] thoughts on things it's

hopeless

hey music soulja is a whole rapper now

we're still picking

oh listen all right la dropped i love

l.a

aura 3 look finally album with songs on

it

exact that's my point oh wait i gotta

check i gotta hear track eight

l.a you just calling up xavier omar like

he the one the call

you better watch yourself you better you

better be careful i gotta see what you

did there

oh [ __ ] he called me go

with my little fancy coat

this ain't your little coca-cola twist

this ain't that all right it's something

different it might have the similar

colors

but it's just different man not even the

same red keep it up

oh man this was different let's switch

one of these

leave me alone oh [ __ ] i have to report

on some doji cat [ __ ] find some youth

all right doji cat did some [ __ ] that

none of these old [ __ ] seen

i seen it they've been in a video too

i've seen it well if dojo can't make

drops of video you have to watch you can

get heartless i don't care what the song

is about why do you have to watch

have you seen any dozer cat videos other

than the cow [ __ ] or scissor for that

better i'm cool

scissor the doji cabinets

came out at the grammys and she had she

had uh it looked like she had a few pair

of pants on

it did i'm cool so now and the little

streets i think that streets

that beat the little sexy beat with the

little red lights yeah that was a real

cool video that was a dope video so i

could see how if some people want to

watch the doji cat video and turn into a

hand ambassador

it's fine

no i've heard of that yeah i've heard of

that well an ambassador

they do the same thing

i'm getting the hand out for this oh

[ __ ]

don't you can't look all right man yeah

no no no no no

yes a little too young for me but i'm 30

so i'm a fan of her

her earlier music so i'm not really sure

yeah the camera no no no no no she

listen that's i i get that that's i get

that that's the point where y'all heard

her

but no i've heard records before that

now well she had records before movies

did yeah i didn't know that she was on

jenny jones man

oh no that stuff no [ __ ] here

that's the other little white girl you

want to explain to the young people

letting all the little white girls come

in and do some [ __ ] i don't think you

catch a white girl

oh i don't know what she is but yeah i'm

i'm watching the videos though that's

that's shout out the doji cat

yeah i'm supporting doji cat me too me

too i support it too i just don't know

i love those jordan oh man see this one

i need rory

it might be over from a j jordan i

didn't hear this

what i didn't hear it either i didn't

hear this but listen man

now that outside opening up [ __ ] want

to put the outside music out

can't be mad [ __ ] i can i've been

waiting for mcgee jordan for three years

[ __ ] y'all been that

but it's cool album cover looks cool i

didn't listen to him yet

we got a kid ain't dropped he's a friend

of the show that hasn't been on the show

i love kid inc

really kidding fan wrote a lot of ass to

a kid ink set and melody back in the

game

also bumped into uh shot from melody uh

in the strip club he tells me melodies

i heard that too shaw was in there

said word i got a girl now so i mean i

can't even

9-1

[Laughter]

that's me right there yeah no he got the

number

uh new conway the machine blood roses

uh i heard this i heard this this is

hard i

saved your commentary cause i didn't

hear it i ain't gonna say

album comes out next what next week or

something mode three drop two

yeah oh so some music didn't come yeah

and i'm mad i just got this i didn't

hear this yet and i can't wait to go

listen to this one

you know this is my type of [ __ ] right

here right around my imaginary gun

shooting at my imaginary ops

turning up oh no but i got all the fake

ops

yeah i like it i'm dead i got some real

ones too i don't have no real

they catch you off

they got babies they think they're going

right home to their kid after they see

you

i'm going home tomorrow

they're gonna treat you like a baby they

think they kid like not gonna miss a

beat

after they bump into you i'll make it

home to mine too

i'm going home

is queen nigel uh what i just said the

big artist

i just said that yeah but you said it's

stuttering like queen

this guy man queen naija and ari linux

setting him up

sounds like there's an agenda with that

one i don't like that type of

it says here the song takes a similar

approach as

such and such an ushers same girl so

they pull in one of them

i don't like it you didn't hear it i

know i didn't i don't like it

that's anti-woman the title alone i want

to see the [ __ ]

they fighting over yeah before i know if

i'm gonna care

what do it matter i gotta see it be a

vigil

i i bet you two things he's he's dark

skinned and has a beard

damn look oh [ __ ] look they got david

being

tied up in the back i told you

all right well shout out shout out to

ahri shout out to queen nigel

shout out to him in the back he's gonna

need some help do you hear

saunder and george smith that's a nice

record

no i didn't know so a lot of music came

out a lot of music yeah i tried telling

i love

saunder and i play give me a little dose

of

georgia smith and after this i got some

uh justin bieber [ __ ] to get into with

you guys

oh i win this is a win for me

oh i'm crying to a chick

um i should have listened i never listen

i'm about to text sorry right now yo

yo i didn't even mean that

yo

i took her number on my phone baby turn

that down a little bit i

need some joe bars over this no i'm not

gonna talk to her no

more i don't follow her and everything

she blocked

all right i'll block her but you sure

but i mean then she gonna know baby

then she's gonna know that she can cause

the rift in our household oh you're on

her power oh you don't care

we cheating with the time of her life

and then tell our girl she living rent

free

we got a band together now yeah well

baby i won't let her hurt you and get to

you

oh this is great this was nice right

destroy all we built

i love when people imitate artists i

love this is just like a her record

shadiest compliment ever you stupid

you got something else man

i'm tripping i'm tripping huh only

you know what i got to give the joe

button fans i got to give you all a

round of applause boy

i'm the only artist that y'all didn't

allow to jack other [ __ ] now

[Laughter]

i'm the only [ __ ] i have to be genuine

to some [ __ ] yo parks like a loser do

you remember that

bum ass tag that joe was trying to get

off at a certain point in his career it

was like

oh it was some stupid [ __ ]

now you're gonna come over here and lie

you did do that a little bit

i tried to oh yes

yes give me give me a song i did that

you did it on she don't put it down you

definitely did it dude

[Music]

do you want to pull it out yeah yeah

i did that and pump it up i did that i

don't mix it that was mine no it was a

different all

right it was more bass but it was a oh

it was

aw well it was ugly i loved it i loved

it

i loved it it sold records [ __ ]

all right you got that um what any any

other new music that we have to get to

uh there's a prince album there's a

prince there's a prince album not

released but

july 30th july 30th

welcome to america i'm scared of it too

but it's prince i imagine

his leftovers to be amazing of course

and i assume that the

uh state wouldn't put this out if it

wasn't up to par and it's not like

from what i was reading it's not that

it's like an album they put together

this is something that he was supposed

to drop in like 2010 or he recorded in

2010 to drop

and then he shoved it so it's not like

we know what a piece pull a little verse

from here pull this from here it's not

one of those

so i don't know man i'm not afraid of

and i would think as like especially you

joe you're like a

your prince fan if you wanted to shelve

it you wouldn't yeah

if he didn't put it out i would assume

you wouldn't support it because

it's he's been very vocal on like yo i

don't support

any of that like i'm going i'm gone it's

unreleased it's unreleased that's it but

i

i've heard that wait wait i've heard

that and i've also heard though

that prince created an album to only be

heard in his afterlife

that he himself made one put it in a

vault

and didn't want it to be heard to like

20 years after okay so i don't know that

this is that

right well that would be different but i

will wait to hear it that would be two

because this says welcome to america

that title says to me all right he might

be

tweeting that [ __ ] yeah it's prince so

i'm not gonna put that past his brain i

mean listen at the end of the day i'ma

listen to it cause it's prince

and if it's whack we're gonna come in

here and say it's wack that was a family

that was a move

like we're gonna be able to tell what it

is we're still gonna listen to it

regardless all the michael jackson

albums that came out after his death i

don't count them as michael albums

albums too like like yeah i don't count

them as albums the big albums that they

did i don't that michael alvin was all

right though

no i ain't rocking that one was all

right then we got but

we got butterflies after miked out right

no no that wasn't uninvincible he was

he was like that was a lot that was yeah

the last one right that was the

invincible

yep last one he put up because he was

doing that tour was he alive when that

album dropped yeah

yeah well get a whole press run that's

what he did that's when he was going at

sony and tommy mottola and all that

yeah got it got it escape album is the

one i'm talking about

um we're not talking about anything out

on the microphone but anyway the mic is

right here fam

oh so lower your voice when you get into

it give me the screen i'm not talking

about that

um let's see what else what else what

else what else what else what else what

else music wise oh

since we old dudes uh old dudes on the

pod

and we have older people listening i'm

sure out there onyx album there's a

kelly price album that dropped

and there's also a rough ends album that

dropped

damn right i clicked on a few of the

ruffin songs

won't tell you it's two of them one of

me i get jumped

they sounded like the roughs

yeah i'm not fighting twins that are

rough

uh it sounded the songs i heard were a

little dated

that's the issue when you get some of

the older acts that yeah

get current yeah onyx put out a uh album

as well

uh talking about old heads put on music

it sounded pretty decent from what i

heard but is this still a lame for like

the dated set like i get we say that

it's dated but

what if there is a lane for them to

still exist because people still want

that sound i think there is

i think so i mean we shouldn't say it's

like

it just might not be current i think for

them

for them to keep that lane that you

speak of they have to be dropping

projects at some point you can't take 10

15 years off and come back that's not

going to be a lane for you

let me be the bearer of bad news nobody

gives a [ __ ] about what y'all are

talking about

are you all about the deep dive no no

that wasn't the next album

no no no no [ __ ] call sticky on your

own time

that was it that's all we had you old as

hell

y'all older than me god damn i got a

little bit more you're going to be mad

bring back my immature pot

uh justin bieber uh justin bieber

bieber's wife not girlfriend justin

bieber's wife

recently got some backlash over a

resurface clip

of a live stream where they were making

jokes

or allegedly making jokes about mexicans

cubans and italians

and in the clip justin bieber is dressed

in a turquoise button-up

miami one of those miami style shirts

and he's got a straw

what is that i can't see the top he's

giving colonizer vibes

manola so what did they say the clip

came out and they said this was

appropriation

nah the clip came in he said it was

racist

i don't see the racial component yeah

yeah you're sensitive as hell

you don't see the racial component i

don't

all right i'm saying can i tell a quick

story

sure of course you can ask a few

questions anyway sure

after the questions can i do a lyric

breakdown with you specifically you

sure did you see justin bieber

harmonizing the word [ __ ]

yes you want to break down those lyrics

harmonize it for him in case you didn't

hear it somebody pull it up on the

screen real quick it's very detailed

okay did you forgive him maybe he did

god can sing he put out journals after

that i think it worked

yeah now can we do a lyric breakdown of

his brand new hit single

peaches

he says and i quote

i get my peaches from georgia from out

in georgia

georgia is the peach state yeah that's

it

i get my weed from california known for

some of the best

that's that [ __ ] is this what's his next

line oh here we go here we go here we go

i took my chick up to the north yeah

badass [ __ ]

i get my light right from the source

yeah

yeah that's it okay

inside of this album

martin luther king martin luther king's

face is right there on the album artwork

and in the thank you linear linear notes

the first track

oh yeah yeah yeah the intro martin

luther king

intro okay i know that i'm following

what's up

i'm lost yeah you you go ahead oh you oh

forget if you lost and i didn't even

forget it then

no keep it all that's cool

it don't make you look at the chorus to

that georgia song a little different

who's he talking to his utah fan base

which man base is he talking to but why

do white white people don't never talk

to day people

i mean that's my question you can't say

that i can't if you got [ __ ] martin

luther king in that album notes so what

yeah nelson in the album notes he might

not be offended

[ __ ] [ __ ] that's our freedom warrior

yeah

that's stupid to me like you can't you

can't knock them

um when they're totally ignorant to the

black plate

but then when they try to incorporate

african any other race [ __ ]

just black people when they bring other

races to the party

you still want to knock them like that's

whack that's a contradiction to me

you get what i'm saying like what's a

contradiction what's wrong with him

exploiting exploiting black who says

exploitation

if he is on an album that he's selling

if he if he's acknowledging

that's exploitation does he do it on his

perspective does he do it on his

personal title

no no well [ __ ] in the public does he do

it any other time besides the album

i don't know him what i'm saying is this

him acknowledging he live in montclair

you can go over there i don't know

he does let me finish my point oh okay

right him

acknowledging martin luther king on his

album cover to me

is a great thing that's not something

for him to be knocked about

and he's a young kid fam like the older

white people have a different view

he's a young kid he's interacting with

mad young black people

he's not just he's grew up on black yeah

like culture he's crossed

all genres and transcendences

why why is it so defined that he grew up

on black culture

yeah if he did that then we wouldn't

have gotten that one video

who said that i said grew up in who said

that

who said that it's too easy for these

white kids to fool y'all

why who said he grew up in i mean you

could kind of

you get that from somebody when they

[ __ ] you can get a fan of

you can get that y'all playing as

devil's having yeah i get what y'all are

doing but you could tell when somebody's

been listening to this [ __ ]

growing up in this [ __ ] and admiring

black people no i can't i can tell i can

tell when someone is being used as a

marketing scheme to understand that

he can run around [ __ ] all the little

black chicks all that he was hanging out

with all the rapper names

he wouldn't be that successful if he was

used you're not gonna take tad

from chatham or tad from some other

neighborhood that does not have any

black affiliations and pull it off like

that that's not true

some of that is genuine now whether it's

a marketing employee across the street

black people

and gather them as fans yeah that's

possible i'm not saying that he didn't

grow up

actually enjoying some of our events

if i wrapped cracker cracker cracker

cracker cracker cracker in a song and

then put jerry seinfeld

as the intro of my [ __ ] and thanked him

and said i love him on the back of the

album

i wouldn't be shocked if there was a

large group of people that said you're

lying joe

okay but if you wrap cracker cracker

cracker cracker cracker when you were 12

and then you put the jerry sanford after

you may have grown older saw your error

in your ways and

and educated yourself yeah some people

might say joe might have learned a

lesson

well it depends you left one small

caveat out of that what's that

uh have i been making my living in

something that jerry seinfeld created

so where is he making his living so you

can give me the r b music

he he turns r b music into pop music

into black music and they call it pop

because he's a white kid that's it

so so michael jackson wasn't pop because

he was a little we're not about to do

that we're not about it we're not about

to answer the question we're not about

to do that we're not about to do that

we're not about yeah we're not we're not

going to compare the two you got it

again

you got to be consistent in your views

in my opinion you got to be consistent

in your views you can't say

that this white boy could take r b and

turn it to pop because he's white but

michael jackson can't take r b and turn

it to pop because he's black you can't

do that

popular music there you go all right

dude

so my point is what why does music so

watch this

eminem is on all your top five no he's

not no he's not

he used to be in yours till y'all beef

and i took him out

i took him out fast i don't know how

fast i don't know how

yeah so again it's like 79

100

though michael from the time of a kid

has always been doing popular music

i'm not disagreeing okay so whether he

transitioned to anything else besides

popular music

michael his whole career did popular

music in fact to be very

to be actual he might have made the

transition

when he did off the wall which was a

disco r b album because before that

everything he did was pop

okay so what i'm saying so he was still

staying true to himself

so what i'm saying is this you can't say

he's not tran saying staying true to

himself

you can't say that because again he's

growing up in a time

where music is broader than being put in

in a compartmentalized area if he said

sorry and didn't need to sell anything

to black people it would be a different

story for me

if he said sorry wait i'm just telling

time for me if he said sorry

and then went on to make his good white

white people music

i wouldn't care you're not chiming in

here i don't listen to a goddamn justin

bieber so it doesn't really

you can't harmonize [ __ ] music and

that was

what'd you say oh you sound you're a

musician you can't say that there's a

white people in black people music

why not what are you talking about what

are you talking about yes you can say

that tell me what's black people music

a drum kick a snare

all right so

that's black music that's not true they

don't call quavo

drum what drama is black music you know

tell tommy

i didn't even bring up justin for us to

go crazy on the topic

hey if you want to check out he got a

new project out uh

that says he is malcolm x or some [ __ ]

check it out

if that's your if that's your groove hey

yo

if you don't mind bieber bieber being

malcolm x be

rex hey then put that in your tape deck

and yo ish that doesn't take away from

the fact that he's talented

like he's talented that's not the point

the point is that it's okay to

point out he appropriates black music

he put martin luther king on his album

for what

for what i can't answer them

here and he says what he says he's just

a misguided kid

i don't see anything wrong with what he

said it's just

how do you have malcolm i mean martin

luther king on your project but now

you're looking at somebody that you

barely

no all right i can't have a podcast

where no one knows how to speak

into a microphone this is getting absurd

he just

he's just out of bounds right he's just

out of bounds that's all

for the magnitude of the artist that he

is he's just out of bounds that's

all i i don't know does he know this man

whoever this person is like

it's just crazy they might even been

cracking on him because he had the

[ __ ] on

he that's what i said shirt video was

him talking about him yeah he might have

been cracking

on the guy the split screen was him

addressing the video exactly like

that's an instagram live it wasn't

horizontal saying that they were joint

live together but

that's him online where in georgia does

he get his peaches

well

[Laughter]

he made you always yeah thank you

you need to put the graze a nice deal oh

for real

we're tired by the beeps but wait wait

wait not one two of yours

it took two of your choices from you

[Music]

[Applause]

damn the game is the game man yeah

that's funny

i don't see any racial component in that

meaning we got it man

i bet you don't i think he's a target i

think it's easy to hold a target ball

again

no we don't have 20 minutes it's a

snowfall

okay we are back from our commercial

break yeah

um we can go we can go wherever you

gentlemen want to go i know off mike

it sounded like there was some

interesting conversation that we may be

able to

finally indulge in yeah now that uh

imani is single and can share

issue or not but you can still share um

and i got a bone to pick with you anyway

i don't want sauce i have a bone to pick

with you but we'll get into that

shortly you were just amazed off mike

that

had an exchange that was happening i

don't even know how to introduce this

toxicity

[ __ ] just go ahead and be

straightforward with it

um all right uh one day on tour armani

and

parks were sharing a room they got some

girls after this show

uh not parks parks well no

amani got a girl after the show parks

didn't leave the room and amani came

inside of her

and parks was just giving us the run the

play-by-play

immaculate conception i asked y'all to

intro it

but if you all want me

[Music]

i know anytime anytime i saw armani on

tour with the uh

getting friendly with the girl that

maybe i wanted to be friends with too

and i hit him and said hey send her to

my room when you're done

the girl never came at all she never

showed up she was gone

i knocked on imani's door not no answers

in silence

so that's what i know i wasn't there for

this experience maybe one of you can

share

if there's anything to do i was asleep

yeah damn the pounding didn't even wake

you up huh damn that [ __ ] was weak

sauce

you slept right through the pounding god

damn

balls of course hawks is a heavy sleeper

so it

are you just a light beater it was like

something

there's something quick too i keep it a

buck i don't remember it at all

i go harder when we're not supposed to

make noise and i nibble on it keep it

down yo abba yo listen you know what's

so funny i have a i have a i have a

funny story

i have a funny story on tour right

yo you gotta relax

yeah but you know what's so funny and

moments where i tried to be like the

like

yo [ __ ] like this you're all turning up

no [ __ ] the street like yo [ __ ] we

turning up like let's

let's go [ __ ] is all shy and he said

y'all [ __ ] [ __ ] yeah [ __ ] are being

[ __ ]

yeah and what do you say i was trying to

invite [ __ ] to the party

and they was acting all scary and

intimidated so after that point i was

like

i'm cool like that's my that's my degree

that's my g what

acting scary and intimidating yeah

i don't want to spend a lot of time on

this but if we do i don't mind

[Laughter]

ish i feel like you either i feel like

you owe me something man

i feel like you owe me some type of

apology i think

i think i feel like i feel like you are

really ungrateful for all of the amazing

wingman moments i have provided for you

right so the little story you told last

part about

the the train i don't even remember what

it was you do

you boarded up a week later yeah i went

to the bathroom

then i left you in there with shorty a

few of the official

dudes that heard that story they hit me

like joe nah say it ain't so

don't tell me you did dad you ain't do

that to him did you

and your response was i didn't respond

because i didn't because you did do that

i did exactly

that but i left the girl in the room i

didn't think i was getting killed in

this but i got killed a little bit

and i'm home reading these comments and

i'm thinking myself wait a second man

i have provided joy for ish

joyful evenings where he was

us elated so you said you want your

wingman chris

together you want your winning man i

could execute the play

and it don't sound like that when you

speak we weren't that's just

the problem i was having with some of my

old [ __ ]

i need honey i when [ __ ] speak

about joe i need to feel love dawn

you know appreciated adored

what is credit we were talking about a

story

you sat here and agree with every single

line in the story yes

yes okay so that was that one particular

story

but say good stories too say the story

yeah we had an opportunity

there is where you couldn't believe i

stood tall like that oh [ __ ] he can't he

got the number

he got it nothing none of that you do

you have those i didn't come on

man i didn't say you don't oh he painted

a narrative

that's what i'm saying that's all i'm

saying that's all i'm saying all right

so watch this

is that not what you're supposed to do

paint that banana no not [ __ ] [ __ ] you

ain't bob ross i'm talking about is that

not what you're supposed to do

if i say you're supposed to

well first yeah this is toxic is [ __ ]

right now

he sees a woman that he finds attractive

he wants to be able to play shy brother

role

and send me over there famous face me to

say

yo man my man hey that's not it okay

that's not it

100 no that's not why he does that 100

of the time i'm never thinking that

you're ascending over there is going to

end up [ __ ]

the woman i concur but that's never

happened not no but

that's never happened nah listen

i wasn't into uh thin girls back then

so ish had that luxury of being able to

spot

yo i ain't gonna lose a piece of [ __ ]

sometimes

all of y'all got girls

i mean you don't have to call me a name

oh y'all

somewhere literally call me it was one

week ice was locked in the room for two

weeks playing playstation

breakfast is ready huh come on down

with her too [ __ ] what upstairs is

quaker oats with her

no no don't come down alone

come over with girls and don't let them

talk to us 100

yeah me it was what you kings of that no

no you're not talking listen i went

over there there was a separate pool

house yep that i i stayed in i wouldn't

even let them go into the main house

he won't even let his friends talk to

women any day i'm not playing with you

i was with him i'm i'm on the east side

with that ain't playing with you're

why because he's a controlling obsessive

pig

what other reason what other reason

would there be for this type of behavior

yo listen

cause cause i know i know in this in

this instance all this [ __ ] is fair like

it's all

like i don't got time to i don't feel

like sharing i'm going to call it what

it is

no she don't need to see none of you

[ __ ] i'm cool you were here no this

one's

just for that because sometimes the

impressions that she'll get from y'all

she'll start to think that that's the

type of person i am oh she's saying

ain't [ __ ]

you times 10. do you know how many women

i've lost because they've been like yo

look at the [ __ ] you hang out with

i'm not [ __ ] with you because you

definitely that same type of [ __ ] see

what i'm on the flip side of that

argument

you know how many chicks you've not lost

because i was giving therapy to them

hours a day while you were driving them

insane that's not

me he's chilling yeah no no no

it ain't working he's cool we had a talk

last night he said yeah

i remember waking up one day and having

somebody break into joe house and

never mind whole story i remember that

yeah the one morning i wake up late it

was madness

there was no madness in that yard she

was gonna kill him

it's the scariest thing ever waking up

to like a woman

angry woman standing over you she went

through your phone she already got the

knife out there no no she stole my phone

at my computer yeah she

she just showed all of our [ __ ] and went

and got the knife yeah

and tried and tried to run me over as

i'm chasing after my computing card

and my and my little therapy didn't work

joe i'mma kill him

hey hey the little therapy that ain't

working

let me in the yard joe let me in the

yard

yo that's funny all right so i'm you

want me to get you some flowers for your

alley-oops

you're throwing a few men are the worst

i'm thinking about it you've thrown some

alley we were talking about

that story no now i'm thinking about uh

friends roles when guys get into it with

like their significant other not get

into it like the bad bad get into it but

just get in there a little something

like when ice let the police in to lock

me up

here you go i ain't gonna lie you

fumbled the ball on that

[ __ ] fumble

no we wouldn't have to find out [ __ ] if

you ain't let the police in there

wait wait you're the only one

where is there to go you let the police

in i went there why was they called

you know what it was called no i at the

time i didn't

did you need to it don't matter right

there what are they wearing blue yeah he

ain't here

did they have a bad joke he ain't here

[ __ ] i heard some noise outside

here that's it when is he ever there

they never there

they're never there he knows that he

knows what we talking about that i ain't

gonna do that on here that was funny

that's his fault you gotta own that it's

all joe's fault

so everything is joe's fault it's fine

shout out to the total police no hell no

no we're not shouting total police

officers

yeah you speak for yourself they let me

write a check to get out and i ain't

have no money

checks oh y'all wanna they took checks

you know i got it and the ferrari a

jaguar once we out here

i'm not touching bookings oh process me

you need my print here

come on turn my thumb i know you know

you know turn your finger start to the

left screw

turn it off press hard you all your

criminals and felons know how that goes

right

and they say take you back you know yeah

you have enough income man hard with

your finger

get some more nah don't do the ink no

yeah they lucky r kelly is in jail i

swear i played did you ever think you

would be this rich

i'm not guilty and i'm not guilty

kells got mad

what a [ __ ] dummy

bunk beds in the studio man just mix the

song

go home what are you doing

where do you live you nasty [ __ ]

creatures all right

all right what else is

you're allowed to say how late they'd be

going because they're supposed to shut

down at 11 but that's probably not well

first of all they don't even exist

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that was to imagine how late they might

be open until uh four am

maybe five okay yeah maybe i could make

it out there five a.m

yeah i might be able to sneak out we

ain't catch a little hangout

it's been a while why not yeah we should

do it in a legal spot yeah but parks

beyond that is

actually fun to go out with like in

those places

yeah every girl is not fun going out to

those

kind of places she loves strippers more

than i do yeah

she goes she really be full a little too

much too she needs to chill out because

i had something on the hook

i i i had something on the hook last

time we was out here she comes short

so what is your name oh i love that name

oh i'm like rim let her go

uh all right what else is important in

hip-hop culture

old man culture let's see what else do

we have here culture oh clubhouse takes

a dip

clubhouse takes a dip this is

interesting clubhouses new direct

payments

let you toss a coin to creators and they

get 100 percent

who's tipping too late for that [ __ ]

yeah sorry clubhouse all right

social audio app clubhouse will let all

users pay all the creators starting

monday it's the first monetization tool

built right into the app

clubhouse says it won't take a cut of

payments meaning that creators get the

entirety of what somebody sends them

not everyone will be able to receive

payments just yet though that will be

rolling out in waves starting with a

small

test group clubhouse says uh to pay a

clubhouse creator who can receive

multi uh receive payments tap on their

profile then tap on another helping you

with this [ __ ] go [ __ ] read i got a

question

don't they just have a security breach

i'm gonna put my credit card

so everybody could send money but only a

handful can ever

receive the money right that's what it

sounds like

no he's saying not yet no no no no no no

it's saying the feature is only

available to a small

uh hand a handful of yeah a small test

group right now

eventually they're going to break

eventually all right i thought i read

okay i read it wrong but what's the real

story here

the real story here is that clubhouse

took a dive so show me the dive

what did they dive look up the dive

i would imagine that clubhouse would

take a dive yeah when outside started to

open up

and twitter is putting the twitter

facebook got one too right yeah i

haven't been on facebook they're all

instagram well

instagram facebook same [ __ ] they all

like oh no we're going to well

i haven't i've never used twitter spaces

i've never used any other

features that you guys are speaking of

and i i stopped going on clubhouse a few

months ago

uh not because it was a conscious

decision

to not use the app it just lost its [ __ ]

to me

well i i lost its appeal it lost it i

was tired of talking to strangers i was

tired of hearing from strangers

i was tired of too many strangers now

coming on the app i was tired of

figuring out strangers new strangers old

strangers

my friends that i knew started acting

like weirdos on this [ __ ] app

i started seeing too many people that

act different with attention they were

attention seeking there were people that

were just

stealing identities it was scammers it

was fake and rs it was the internet

fake information it was it was the

internet clubhouse it was

it was like the embodiment of the

internet

and while that's cool at first

that part of the internet has gotten

pretty good it's only it's only so long

fake thugs can pretend well i've been

said clubhouse's whole

appeal was its exclusivity because at a

time it had to be you know everybody

needed to be invited so

you would see people talking about it's

the fear of missing out you see people

talking about what's going on at

clubhouse you get these

even though they're not supposed to be

you get these recorded um

you get these recorded you know

clubhouse rooms now put on other social

media apps and everybody's like

oh damn i got to get over there i got to

get over there and once you get there

i remember i remember i always tell the

story joe i came to your house

you and corey are in clubhouse in the

same house joe's in the kitchen cory's

in the living room both of them on

speaker

and i clown both of them i was like this

is the dumbest [ __ ] in the world

and i you know join the page just to see

what's going on i'm like i can't believe

y'all are doing this

and this is not going to last long and

here we are so yeah clubhouse on their

way out

yeah but i want to i want to hear about

the dip the

dip that i imagine they would take we

know they had an evaluation of what a

billion dollars just a few months ago

uh when the pandemic and quarantine and

lockdown was still happening

and i want to see that the dip

oh you want to see you mean like what it

was then versus now yeah

they can't project it

you could tell there was a difference by

this

they have to roll more ways to get