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Episode 494

Pretty Privilege

Joe Budden Podcast Episode 494, “Pretty Privilege,” released December 16, 2021. Joe kicks things off with a phone call with one of R&B's most notable voices, Tank, to discuss his recent comments on current male R&B (8:28). Next, the crew then discusses the hurdles that singers face due to the melodic style of Hip Hop being made (31:31). Also, Travis Scott offers to perform for free at Coachella (54:14), and Joe highlights a gruesome story involving a person with a mental health condition *POTENTIAL TRIGGER WARNING* (1:04:57). And finally, DaBaby gets trashed while performing at Rolling Loud (1:23:00), and MORE! Full transcript and searchable timestamps below.

Pretty Privilege

In this episode

  • 8:28Joe kicks things off with a phone call with one of R&B's most notable voices, Tank, to discuss his recent comm…
  • 31:31Next, the crew then discusses the hurdles that singers face due to the melodic style of Hip Hop being made
  • 54:14Travis Scott offers to perform for free at Coachella
  • 1:04:57Joe highlights a gruesome story involving a person with a mental health condition *POTENTIAL TRIGGER WARNING*
  • 1:23:00Finally, DaBaby gets trashed while performing at Rolling Loud
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Joe Budden Podcast Ep. 494 Transcript

Full transcript of Pretty Privilege (1:11:15 long). Search it, or click any timestamp to jump to that moment.

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    mike let me make sure my voice sounds as

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    luxurious as i'm used to it sounding

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    sky there will be no yelling

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    this episode hear the convoys

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    i'm gonna try to work on my slow talking

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    on the listen back i talk really slow

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    i'm gonna try to speed it up a little

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    bit for time restraints

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    um

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    how's everybody doing i'm doing doing

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    well

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    i need y'all to take these voices off

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    for real

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    no i don't want to do that these two got

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    some nerve dissing our professional pod

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    versus voices

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    these [ __ ] come in they go they don't

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    even talk without clearing their throat

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    every every sentence

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    what would i think about that y'all

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    don't get to talk about such

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    professionals as parks and myself you

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    don't you're the professional

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    indigestion

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    watermelon

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    you think that's how my voice sound

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    no we think that's what you do

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    like you ate a baloney and cheese

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    maybe he ain't blowing the cheese all

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    right we bumped into something

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    interesting we were going to start with

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    ish not knowing how to put songs in his

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    iphone

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    but i like where we are here do you know

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    how to put songs in your samsung of

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    course i'm really here to pod today so

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    let's go through it on a scale of one to

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    ten you think you're a pod voice right

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    to the where let's do for all of us

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    i don't mind though yeah i don't hate

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    your horse i don't like my voice i rate

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    it what you want to one about your voice

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    control it one yeah okay you got a one

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    for you

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    six for you that's his bad answer you

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    hear me so arrogant he light-skinned

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    he's so arrogant yo

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    a six is a d man

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    that's ishta for williams man

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    that's easter for williams right there

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    yo

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    he said what about your matter i said i

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    don't love my voice but i know how to

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    control it i got mine pretty high i do i

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    do i got mine pretty high uh ish

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    why don't you not insert songs in that

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    thingamajiggy

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    i hate i hate uh yo young boys back

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    there was laughing at you the time stamp

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    killer boys started dying laughing like

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    i just get apple music

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    you can swing it okay

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    that's all you gotta do that's it all

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    right

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    some of the people want me to explain

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    why we uploaded to spotify last podcast

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    oh do we i didn't know i didn't

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    welcome to independence you can do it

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    the [ __ ] you want

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    you know you're not used to that they

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    used to being told what they have to do

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    right it's a little different

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    i thought that was like the obvious

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    answer but i'm a dick

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    and i'm trying to not be a dick i'm

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    trying to be less of a dick heading into

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    42.

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    why well i'm either trying to be less of

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    a dick or i'm certainly trying to clear

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    all the people away from me that thought

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    i was too much of a dick

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    reasonable listen

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    no weirdness

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    if i'm addicting go away

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    take that some of them did um

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    shut up parks

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    um do i want to start with a call to

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    tank

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    as you wanna start starting i don't know

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    y'all i'm here i'm here to talk to the

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    male r b dudes today it ain't too much

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    to talk about and even if it was my head

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    wasn't up long enough to see it so

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    i don't know what's going on out there

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    in the world i kind of just make my own

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    news up at this point

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    i kind of just make no no no

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    no

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    no

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    that's exactly what we will do

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    i will talk to tank

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    not not you okay you go ahead

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    what's up with you

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    i don't want you to play b-mike to the

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    pod all right i think i want you to be

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    like e mike

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    on some of these topics okay get e on

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    them i'm e on them get e on them man uh

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    what am i saying what am i saying what

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    am i saying call tank yeah you r b dudes

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    man they've been upset

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    they've been very upset

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    why because people take everything out

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    of context these days

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    they take saying women are running [ __ ]

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    as [ __ ] man man ain't [ __ ] you know what

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    i'm saying it's like dog

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    why does everyone take everything out of

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    her applies across the board send me

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    that alex

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    it applies across the world what did i

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    do

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    i seem to have gotten us in trouble

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    again

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    or i seem to have gotten in trouble

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    again

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    something happened but people are

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    peeved at me and arm beasts r b in the r

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    b world r b and that's really and that

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    really hurts

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    [ __ ]

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    but that hurts my heart my hands work

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    but that hurts but that hurts my heart

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    because at heart i'm r b yo

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    true i'm r b that is true that's why

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    when you go when the r b dudes like try

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    to gang up on me it hurts me

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    way more than when the rappers try to

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    gang up on me you rappers i don't care

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    [ __ ] we all can cat hat bat

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    if we all take our time with that we'll

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    put something clever in between but can

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    you hit a high e and that's what we'll

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    do but in r b yo come on yo nah yo cause

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    you got to think about that while you're

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    with your girl

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    now you throw lucky day on and [ __ ]

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    you realize the [ __ ] got an attitude

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    with you about some things

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    and that hit's a little different

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    did you

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    all right man no that's not the right

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    one where's the writer right there right

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    i always i never put in there i ain't no

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    [ __ ] respond no no no no no

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    [ __ ] here

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    listen to the pond yo you know sometimes

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    to hear things they don't like

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    so i all i think i said was that the

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    women are kicking the guy's asses yeah

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    i triple down in that

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    i quadruple down in that i don't see how

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    that's not even it's like that's obvious

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    it's not even like a matter of

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    discussion i didn't see where the debate

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    was i thought i said something like the

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    [ __ ] sky is blue though neil degrasse

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    would argue it isn't

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    and be right

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    well if you look at this guy's last

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    sky's not blue it's no color it's

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    extracting i didn't want to hear that

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    i love you neal that's my guy but back

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    to this r b [ __ ]

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    where was the debate there's no debate

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    but here's the debate

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    because here comes there's bad you say

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    there comes tank we picked up all the

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    male r b singers that are dope they're

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    just not we didn't name them

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    but that wasn't what we was trying to do

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    right there right and here comes

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    tank

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    was taking it yeah let me let the

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    audience know that tank is one of the

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    people that i can't say nothing bad

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    about

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    i cannot

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    and will not and would not

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    his voice is too much of an instrument

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    his pen is too much of an instrument

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    he's been a part of too many classics

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    his voice still today is classical

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    tank is the man yo anna's your friend

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    tank is my man if there were such a

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    thing as industry friend tank is my guy

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    even if he don't know how high regard i

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    hold him in

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    i've had success with tank on a record

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    i can't say nothing bad about tank so

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    when he responded to me didn't see he

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    didn't say nothing bad he addressed me

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    he just did it in the r b crusader type

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    of way which was to say yo joe oh i'll

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    play it i'll play it so i'm not at word

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    of mouth here oh he went on the gram and

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    gave you some bars

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    joe here we go

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    joseph

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    don't do this

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    don't you do my friend my brother don't

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    you do this

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    don't you shut up right here

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    the new generation of male r b artist is

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    trash don't you do that

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    still just just give them their flowers

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    he's saying that to me see tank i'm

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    trying to say

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    he might not

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    don't do that don't say that veto is

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    true don't do this

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    brothers is dope

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    no you changed them they're all people

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    that you get them having their moment

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    and that's they're just getting their

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    ass kicked

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    outcomes every last one of them they're

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    gonna have a moment joe joseph all right

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    r b money

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    tank

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    tank

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    do i have tanks phone number man i'm

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    just not you know

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    you called him before

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    is this thing on

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    no [ __ ] gonna stop playing with my

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    name

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    oh yeah i haven't spoken to tank in a

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    little while

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    if he doesn't answer i'm gonna send a

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    text we're gonna get this call out the

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    way

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    hello

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    hi this is joe budden from the joe

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    budden podcast calling looking looking

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    for tank

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    i'm looking for a gentleman named tank

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    hello

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    how you doing my brother

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    come on man i'm always good always good

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    good i'm glad to hear that all right you

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    ready to get to it man why you why why

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    you said that to me man

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    what did i say you told me

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    not to call the r b dudes trash which i

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    didn't i just said that they was getting

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    their ass kicked which

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    you screamed the word trash in in joe

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    budden fashion you it was it was it was

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    loud it was boisterous that sounds like

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    it was mean

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    well

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    for 2022

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    clarification and transparency is

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    important tank i do a podcast for seven

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    years i started radio in 2003. sometimes

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    for dramatic purposes

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    we'll emphasize something that maybe

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    shouldn't be emphasized

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    oh you're the king huh

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    we'll throw a little sauce on something

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    that shouldn't be thrown on but listen

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    let me tell you

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    r b is closer to my heart than hip hop

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    it is it is

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    it is i'm black i started in the church

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    i thought it was like a fact

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    that these guys were getting their ass

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    kicked out there and in the in the

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    spirit of competitive nature because

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    that's what music is

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    at what point do you have to look at

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    your your peers and say

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    i'm getting my ass kicked out here

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    because of you i'm dedicating my whole

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    podcast to male r b

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    well here's the here's the there's the

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    science though so you i mean you know

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    the you know the science the industry

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    science of it all right and so once your

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    thing catches or once a thing becomes a

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    thing or

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    or or a fad or a texture that's

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    it's working for the moment that's

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    what's fed and that's what super served

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    right so we got her we got sizzle we got

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    kelani um

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    we got jasmine we got you know uh we got

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    ari we got these ladies who are having

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    who are having such a dope moment but

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    their texture their sonic everything

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    about what they're doing right now it's

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    the thing

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    right so it's going to be super served

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    and they're going to have that run it's

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    that doesn't mean they aren't doing good

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    [ __ ] no y'all no the guys are doing good

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    [ __ ] just doing horribly when we start

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    looking at what the women are doing if

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    you compare the numbers no no no

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    wait tank tank tank

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    this is me i'm never having a numbers

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    talk i don't care what the numbers are

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    saying i'm talking about art i'm talking

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    artistically the women are providing

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    classics and have been for damn near a

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    decade we could speak from the newest

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    you said from

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    fighting classics yes

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    more so than men yes

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    yes

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    yes classics classics

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    her damage is a classic

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    her damage is out of this world so we

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    can't we can't we can't use that that's

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    a that's unfair oh that's out of this

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    world all right okay all right so i

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    can't do that because classic we need to

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    have some time and then uh yes

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    sailing souls is classic the mixtape us

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    versus them it's classic controls it's

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    stuck around control classic classic

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    snow elements debut

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    is impeccable

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    now when we start talking about men i'm

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    a consumer and i love r b and i spend my

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    money on it i don't stream that [ __ ] so

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    i i feel like i can hold these [ __ ]

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    feet to the fire to say yo dawg

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    what we doing

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    when do we get to compete

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    so listening to you because you're the

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    man wait let me land let me land let me

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    land listening to you tank cause you the

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    man you know how i feel about you [ __ ]

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    you the man

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    i listened to you and went back and said

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    hey maybe i'm wrong i went to listen to

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    today's r b

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    from men i went to listen to today's r b

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    from men this decade

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    and then i went and listened to every

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    decade of male r b starting from the 50s

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    you don't want me to tell you what i

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    come up with because you'll really get

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    mad at me

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    did you land because i feel like you

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    landed right now i'm done

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    i'm done i'm done

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    joe here's here's here's

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    here's the tough part about

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    male r b right and why it's had to

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    evolve in the way that it has evolved

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    you don't have a bunch of women

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    in the rap world

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    doing melody

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    and blurring the lines between what is r

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    and b

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    what is trap soul

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    what is hip-hop

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    yo this guy is good that's a great point

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    these lines for male r b are so blurred

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    listen let me tell you some truth i

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    listen to future and young thug for new

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    melodies and syncopation i listen to the

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    migos

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    for new wave syncopation and melodies

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    and dynamics

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    but why do all male artists seem to do

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    that though

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    we have to compete

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    right that space right there the melodic

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    space is owned by rappers

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    and so if we don't find a way to infuse

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    who we are into that dynamic we are

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    going to die he's right he's a thousand

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    percent he's right

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    i don't know that he's right he's right

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    he's right he's he's he's dumb

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    women still have like like the coldest

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    female rappers right now

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    you're cardi your nikki you're they rap

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    they rap they run yeah they're ready the

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    chorus is wrapped there's no melodic

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    nothing yeah no they're not they're not

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    stepping on our toes every hot hip-hop

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    artist right now is all melody and some

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    i'm sensitive

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    some of them are sensitive now some of

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    these are went there with their lady

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    records were they talking about doing

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    stuff to him that only r b guys should

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    be able to do

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    now i'ma allow him to be right no

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    because i could say doger cat's name and

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    end what he's saying

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    i could say

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    i could mention i could mention the city

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    girls when you talk about uh that pacing

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    and that tone the same way you speak

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    about amigos not to the same degree but

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    but they're they're playing like they're

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    not stepping on women's toes but i'm

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    gonna argue because you're right your

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    point is correct men have men

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    seem to have to but that's why i won't

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    argue your point because in my r b point

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    let's exclude those men

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    let's exclude bryson tiller

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    let's exclude party next door black

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    let's exclude black

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    why do we have to exclude them though

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    because because of your point because

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    they have to play in an arena that the

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    women do not so you're right about that

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    that that is the evidence

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    but he's saying even he says that's the

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    evolution of male 1 evolution of r b

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    that's that's the solution of male r

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    but then why is it not the evolution for

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    women

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    like i said they don't

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    they don't have to they don't have to

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    dance

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    you know i'm saying in in in spaces that

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    they don't belong like women are still

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    allowed to be sensitive women are still

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    allowed to be vulnerable and they're

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    allowed to sing their faces off name the

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    last hit record from a man from a male r

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    b uh guy that was able to sing his face

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    off like full out sing like go crazy

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    can't even think of one yeah because i

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    can't think of ten of the guys that can

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    sing their face off at a live show with

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    a mic in front of their faces

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    they can but they shy away from the

  • 16:55

    moment because it's just not popular so

  • 16:57

    then we gotta pull within ourselves

  • 17:00

    yo listen

  • 17:02

    i was at i was at r b live that [ __ ]

  • 17:05

    eric knicks used to throw in the city

  • 17:08

    when the dream came there and performed

  • 17:10

    his hits and luke james came there and

  • 17:12

    performed nothing but a voice and it

  • 17:14

    worked luke james is still there leon

  • 17:16

    bridges is still there

  • 17:18

    we have acts with voices that can sing

  • 17:21

    but if male r b is not pulling that out

  • 17:24

    because we're trying to [ __ ] uh

  • 17:26

    appeal to the kids and the streaming and

  • 17:28

    all this other [ __ ] then the playing

  • 17:30

    field will never be even tank then the

  • 17:33

    girl the girls will be playing at an

  • 17:35

    advantage that the men don't tank have

  • 17:37

    you heard cleo souls projects

  • 17:40

    cleo so no

  • 17:42

    dude do yourself a favor

  • 17:44

    do me a solid

  • 17:52

    i'm talking about somebody that may not

  • 17:53

    be so mainstream may not be so

  • 17:55

    commercial but she ain't here to play

  • 17:57

    these little kitty mainstream kiddie

  • 17:59

    games

  • 18:00

    i'm here to do the art yes watch watch

  • 18:02

    these beats

  • 18:03

    watch these beats watch my voice the

  • 18:05

    arrangement the song writing she is

  • 18:07

    incredible yeah that's what i mean

  • 18:11

    i don't i don't listen i don't disagree

  • 18:13

    with you but i'm still going to go back

  • 18:15

    to to to the element of competition

  • 18:18

    right now where

  • 18:19

    we are still in competition with rappers

  • 18:23

    who are who are who are

  • 18:25

    who are dominating our space he's right

  • 18:28

    like like and then at the end of the day

  • 18:30

    like these cats want to eat they're not

  • 18:33

    all me where they built a 20-year

  • 18:34

    foundation and they got you know cult

  • 18:37

    following and fans and all these things

  • 18:39

    they're brand new in the space trying to

  • 18:41

    figure out number one not just be be

  • 18:43

    artistic but also be famous and also be

  • 18:46

    successful

  • 18:48

    so so when these guys are signed to

  • 18:50

    major record labels and getting these

  • 18:52

    deals and all that things that are run

  • 18:54

    by lawyers and lawyers only think only

  • 18:56

    no bottom lines

  • 18:58

    some of the artists sacrifice because

  • 19:00

    they're like y'all got to fit in right

  • 19:02

    here on this hot 100 or we not gonna

  • 19:04

    make it how many 23 year olds want to be

  • 19:06

    played on r b or urban ac radio none of

  • 19:09

    them they want to be popping

  • 19:12

    he's right valid he's a hunter

  • 19:14

    well i do think that someone could come

  • 19:15

    out and kill it like a true vocalist

  • 19:18

    come out and kill him you know who could

  • 19:19

    you know who could sam smith could do it

  • 19:22

    i'll let him do it all day adele could

  • 19:24

    do it all day yeah absolutely he didn't

  • 19:26

    do it again and sharon can do well i'm

  • 19:28

    just saying that ed sheeran can do it

  • 19:29

    that's true

  • 19:30

    all day he's right posty

  • 19:33

    and it goes straight to power rotation

  • 19:35

    they don't have to start uh let's wait

  • 19:38

    till your streaming numbers get up oh

  • 19:40

    let's start it over here at at these

  • 19:42

    stations with small bandwidth oh let's

  • 19:44

    wait to the to the

  • 19:46

    let's go viral first and then they don't

  • 19:48

    do none of that

  • 19:49

    tank they go after their art like

  • 19:53

    he's right you know like we're supposed

  • 19:54

    to like like the infrastructure used to

  • 19:56

    go after hours the infrastructure don't

  • 19:58

    go after the male r b art no more the

  • 20:01

    love of male r b black male r b is under

  • 20:05

    attack whether you notice that or not

  • 20:07

    and that's not just in music that's an

  • 20:09

    entertainment overall oh he just went

  • 20:11

    home

  • 20:17

    can you wait wait because that's too

  • 20:18

    important of a point for me to skip past

  • 20:21

    the male male r b is under attack

  • 20:23

    whether you see it or not your eyes

  • 20:25

    would view it differently because you're

  • 20:26

    a [ __ ] go to this [ __ ] what do you

  • 20:29

    see

  • 20:30

    well i see that our our our

  • 20:33

    opportunities are just not the same

  • 20:34

    decreasing you know what i mean when it

  • 20:35

    comes to when it comes to male r b when

  • 20:38

    it comes to us singing our love songs

  • 20:40

    and our songs of sensuality our songs

  • 20:42

    are celebrating our women the playing

  • 20:44

    field is not the same the starting point

  • 20:46

    is not the same like you you you take

  • 20:48

    this you take this to a meaningful

  • 20:50

    record station you know what i mean that

  • 20:52

    that plays all of this other music and

  • 20:55

    the first thing they're going to say is

  • 20:56

    well what are the streams um what does

  • 20:58

    the instagram look like what is the what

  • 21:00

    is all these what's the story before i

  • 21:02

    play this record like it's not even

  • 21:04

    about the traditional process and so now

  • 21:07

    you got kids who have to try and jump

  • 21:09

    start

  • 21:10

    love love songs

  • 21:12

    you don't understand on their own

  • 21:18

    let me show love to r b radio and urban

  • 21:20

    ac radio because that's that's my house

  • 21:22

    right but we're talking about we're

  • 21:25

    talking about um

  • 21:27

    uh

  • 21:28

    an array of stations that take six

  • 21:30

    months to build a record

  • 21:32

    [Music]

  • 21:33

    and and by the time you put that album

  • 21:36

    out after that six months of trying to

  • 21:38

    sell one record who's gonna buy an album

  • 21:39

    based on one record

  • 21:41

    no and then you gotta and then you gotta

  • 21:43

    start all

  • 21:44

    over again

  • 21:46

    with the next record another four to six

  • 21:48

    months where these guys on the other

  • 21:50

    side of it guess what if that record is

  • 21:52

    popping we top 40 in three weeks oh it's

  • 21:54

    responding on tick tock it's responding

  • 21:56

    here more avenues to even play that

  • 21:58

    record the people the branding

  • 22:00

    they're not bro do you know how many

  • 22:02

    people

  • 22:03

    you know how many branding opportunities

  • 22:05

    i do not get and i've been doing this

  • 22:07

    but they would rather they would rather

  • 22:08

    brand a murderer a drug dealer or or

  • 22:11

    somebody who just would beat death rope

  • 22:13

    murder beast instead of promoting my

  • 22:15

    love

  • 22:16

    he's borrowing this up

  • 22:18

    yo

  • 22:19

    he killing this [ __ ]

  • 22:21

    like it's under a time tank they're

  • 22:23

    gonna say that you old and that's why

  • 22:25

    they'll go with a young murderer no

  • 22:27

    right that's no they're not going to say

  • 22:29

    that they're not going to say that well

  • 22:30

    he knows

  • 22:31

    he's not a young man no they're going to

  • 22:32

    go they're going to go

  • 22:35

    what's happening with what the people

  • 22:37

    are buying what the people are

  • 22:40

    used to be a young man's game too

  • 22:42

    absolutely

  • 22:43

    absolutely yeah you mean

  • 22:46

    you youth is not even it's it's not it

  • 22:48

    doesn't matter anymore that's not even

  • 22:50

    the same the point like we can think of

  • 22:52

    many rappers that are over 50 that are

  • 22:54

    that are cracking

  • 22:55

    but let me matter let me ask you no you

  • 22:57

    don't you think none of that changes

  • 22:59

    with the resurgence not the resurgence

  • 23:01

    but the dominance of verses

  • 23:03

    where catalogs might become a little

  • 23:05

    more important and a younger generation

  • 23:07

    might learn a little bit or have more

  • 23:09

    appreciation for some of the older acts

  • 23:11

    they used to announce that the streaming

  • 23:13

    went up after every verses right so i

  • 23:15

    mean it had some impact

  • 23:17

    well here here's here's where it would

  • 23:20

    here's where it would hold real value

  • 23:22

    right if after if after reverses

  • 23:26

    if after an uh versus with swv

  • 23:29

    and an escape a record company saw the

  • 23:32

    value in in in r b girls groups and we

  • 23:35

    and and five five to ten of them got

  • 23:37

    signed didn't happen you know what i'm

  • 23:39

    saying so

  • 23:41

    or or from mel r b standpoint it was

  • 23:43

    like oh we see the value in that male r

  • 23:45

    b when keith sweat and and bobby brown

  • 23:47

    did the thing let's sign up about 20 of

  • 23:49

    them didn't happen let's push this like

  • 23:51

    versus is mainstream for those people

  • 23:54

    with a catalog

  • 23:55

    those people who've done those people

  • 23:57

    who have value are foundational artists

  • 24:00

    to what it is that we do it helps them

  • 24:02

    it don't help the overall

  • 24:05

    speaking of catalog i have to ask you

  • 24:07

    this while i have you

  • 24:09

    because when the whole black ground

  • 24:10

    thing came about i was conflicted still

  • 24:12

    i still buy music

  • 24:14

    i want artists to get their money i was

  • 24:16

    there for the whole debacle at first and

  • 24:18

    then you were the only black round act

  • 24:20

    that was like actually promoting the

  • 24:22

    re-release rest in peacealia of course

  • 24:24

    are you supportive of the release or not

  • 24:26

    because i didn't buy your [ __ ] cause i

  • 24:28

    wasn't sure

  • 24:30

    i'm a thousand percent

  • 24:32

    supportive of the release okay and

  • 24:36

    that's okay and

  • 24:37

    the reason the reason i have to be

  • 24:40

    is because

  • 24:41

    i can is two ways of looking at this

  • 24:44

    right

  • 24:44

    i can be mad at the 10 plus years that i

  • 24:47

    lost revenue

  • 24:48

    or i can look forward to the 10 plus

  • 24:50

    years to where i can generate revenue

  • 24:53

    and so i choose the latter it is what it

  • 24:56

    is because in my mind i had already

  • 24:58

    moved on without that catalog i was like

  • 25:00

    i'm gonna make bigger and better songs

  • 25:01

    it is what it is

  • 25:03

    but

  • 25:04

    now that it's out

  • 25:05

    this is money i didn't i didn't count on

  • 25:07

    i didn't think this was gonna ever

  • 25:08

    happen and i definitely wasn't gonna try

  • 25:10

    to sing 40 songs that i sang in my 20s

  • 25:13

    with this 40 year old throat i was not

  • 25:15

    gonna do it thank god no way thank you

  • 25:17

    tank thank you

  • 25:19

    thank you so

  • 25:20

    i i i counted it a blessing you know

  • 25:22

    what i'm saying like this guy is so holy

  • 25:24

    it's the good with the bad no that's a

  • 25:25

    dog

  • 25:29

    no no this guy's good yeah listen it's

  • 25:30

    gonna survive this long without being

  • 25:32

    good now this guy's good all right my

  • 25:33

    last question man

  • 25:34

    and not even a question

  • 25:36

    i still get hype when i see you and

  • 25:38

    tyrese like each other's instagram posts

  • 25:41

    i do

  • 25:44

    hello

  • 25:45

    [Laughter]

  • 25:47

    i'm waiting for you to land

  • 25:49

    i also i also think

  • 25:51

    that that tgt album

  • 25:54

    is

  • 25:55

    top 5 10 r b album to release last

  • 25:58

    decade

  • 25:59

    i don't know you all really know how

  • 26:01

    amazing that project was or y'all

  • 26:03

    wouldn't be doing this frivolous

  • 26:04

    [ __ ] but i'm on my business

  • 26:06

    is anybody going to be the bigger person

  • 26:08

    at some point for the greatest sake of

  • 26:10

    music or nah

  • 26:11

    let me tell you right now come on come

  • 26:14

    on right now you know tyree's just wild

  • 26:16

    out sometimes don't do that

  • 26:18

    no no no no no no that's my man

  • 26:20

    you know what i'm good at i'm good at

  • 26:22

    accepting people for who they are

  • 26:25

    [Music]

  • 26:26

    you know

  • 26:28

    y'all don't do that

  • 26:30

    forgave him

  • 26:31

    and my brother is my brother thank you

  • 26:33

    right or wrong

  • 26:34

    brother it's my brother that's

  • 26:36

    it you know say i go to the bathroom i

  • 26:39

    go to war with him so

  • 26:41

    think about this

  • 26:42

    if you see if you see me and tyrese

  • 26:45

    y'all ain't really seeing us like

  • 26:46

    kicking it together and and but you see

  • 26:48

    like in the pictures like there's

  • 26:50

    there's more to that you understand of

  • 26:52

    me and ty like people don't realize like

  • 26:54

    that's my brother like we damn to talk

  • 26:55

    every week every

  • 26:57

    couple days so

  • 26:58

    so if you see us doing that who's

  • 27:00

    missing tank

  • 27:02

    tell us where he was going

  • 27:04

    well first of

  • 27:20

    i bet you i can find genuine right now

  • 27:23

    i can find him tomorrow this weekend

  • 27:25

    tank i know the baddest [ __ ] in new

  • 27:27

    york

  • 27:29

    what are you talking about why y'all

  • 27:31

    having a hard time

  • 27:45

    i know how to get a [ __ ]

  • 27:53

    all right great all right that's good

  • 27:55

    that's good to know but yeah no all

  • 27:56

    right that's that's all i had because

  • 27:58

    that tgt album

  • 28:00

    oh man i still i still i still do it i

  • 28:02

    still don't listen one of the one of the

  • 28:04

    most grueling processes i've ever been

  • 28:06

    through making an album but one of the

  • 28:08

    coldest albums r b albums ever in my

  • 28:10

    opinion no i'm with you i'm with you

  • 28:12

    y'all went crazy which is why y'all got

  • 28:15

    me y'all knew genuine was gonna be a

  • 28:16

    problem when he was high up there good

  • 28:18

    morning no no no no [ __ ] here's here's

  • 28:20

    what you're here's what genuine is right

  • 28:23

    let's have a little bit of drink before

  • 28:24

    we go to good morning america

  • 28:27

    stop it

  • 28:28

    i'm serious no here's what genuine is

  • 28:31

    let me tell you what genuine is genuine

  • 28:33

    is the least problematic person i've

  • 28:35

    ever met in this industry whatever and

  • 28:38

    genuine is at a point in his life where

  • 28:41

    stress

  • 28:43

    doesn't register for him and if it looks

  • 28:46

    like stress he's so well off his money

  • 28:49

    good his land is good his kids are good

  • 28:53

    he don't need the stress he know bernice

  • 28:56

    so huh

  • 28:58

    does he know a young lady by the name of

  • 29:00

    bernice burgos

  • 29:08

    all right now she just walked into a

  • 29:09

    wall

  • 29:10

    now

  • 29:14

    all right all right i just wanted to

  • 29:15

    know that the potential was there for a

  • 29:17

    project if need be if i got to call

  • 29:19

    kaiser myself i'm going to get this done

  • 29:21

    god dammit

  • 29:22

    i think it's needed i think it's

  • 29:23

    necessary me too me too i think 2022

  • 29:26

    there should be a summertime teacher

  • 29:28

    that's just me tyler he's waiting for

  • 29:29

    the rock to do the next little [ __ ] the

  • 29:31

    rock game

  • 29:34

    tyrese is going to surprise you

  • 29:36

    tyrese is going to surprise you

  • 29:41

    yo you know what i'm calling him in an

  • 29:43

    hour

  • 29:45

    tank i appreciate you i love you of

  • 29:47

    course uh and i wish you nothing but the

  • 29:49

    best thing

  • 29:50

    thank you my brother

  • 29:52

    okay that was fantastic fan he's

  • 29:55

    a [ __ ] hold up man yeah get a [ __ ]

  • 29:57

    some some air horns some drums

  • 30:00

    shots give him a pot

  • 30:04

    he did that well observation number one

  • 30:06

    it's painfully obvious the tank needs a

  • 30:07

    podcast word

  • 30:09

    they need a tgt pod or something he

  • 30:11

    could talk i wish all you guys that

  • 30:13

    weren't good at podcasting would stop

  • 30:15

    making them so we could find the jewels

  • 30:17

    like tank and then staples and get them

  • 30:19

    to really do one without feeling like

  • 30:20

    it's oversaturated in the market

  • 30:23

    bars he smoked that [ __ ] yo he went

  • 30:25

    crazy but he's passionate about r b

  • 30:28

    but you know

  • 30:29

    but wait let's highlight that i want to

  • 30:30

    skip over that because that be the

  • 30:32

    passion that you can hear and people is

  • 30:34

    missing nowadays like if you listen to

  • 30:36

    me

  • 30:36

    yeah i'm a lunatic but you can hear

  • 30:39

    passion from music right and that feels

  • 30:41

    good right

  • 30:42

    when you speak to tank you can hear that

  • 30:45

    when you speak the prem

  • 30:47

    you can hear like right

  • 30:49

    that just feels good yo now go ahead no

  • 30:52

    i was just gonna say i'm sure all

  • 30:54

    musicians have some level of passion i

  • 30:56

    disagree dog this [ __ ] well he said

  • 30:59

    musicians ice

  • 31:01

    okay he said music musicians

  • 31:09

    he broke the [ __ ] down though in

  • 31:11

    layman's terms where you can understand

  • 31:14

    what he's saying

  • 31:15

    right you can ingest it and you can

  • 31:18

    really see his point

  • 31:20

    i never would have never thought tank on

  • 31:22

    instagram man because that's weird just

  • 31:24

    telling me killed that [ __ ] man

  • 31:26

    tell him he went crazy really i never

  • 31:29

    looked because that was a very obvious

  • 31:30

    point that was right on front street

  • 31:32

    yeah you're cool who thinks about that

  • 31:34

    yeah you could look

  • 31:36

    unless you're super passionate about r b

  • 31:38

    and you and the competitive you got to

  • 31:39

    compete now you got to compete with

  • 31:41

    future and young thug amigos right

  • 31:44

    you don't have time to look at what snow

  • 31:46

    and her is doing think about that though

  • 31:48

    you talking about the biggest

  • 31:50

    rap okay

  • 31:52

    i'll take that out there i'll take an l

  • 31:54

    that's who i gotta compete with i'll

  • 31:55

    take it if i'm if i'm a r b singer

  • 31:57

    coming in the game right now my thing

  • 31:58

    though is i think that's what i think

  • 32:00

    i think it just takes one one person to

  • 32:02

    make it cool again similar to how

  • 32:04

    griselda made boom bap cool again in rat

  • 32:07

    i think it just takes one person to go

  • 32:08

    on the ledge and be like nah i'm

  • 32:09

    interested wait wait and parks his point

  • 32:12

    is why i feel like i don't take a l with

  • 32:15

    tank

  • 32:16

    tank brings up hold up let me just land

  • 32:18

    real quick tank brings up

  • 32:20

    an amazing point that has all the

  • 32:23

    validity in the world about having to

  • 32:24

    compete with tank i mean our future and

  • 32:26

    young thug and just the newer acts right

  • 32:30

    but on the flip side when i talk about

  • 32:32

    the ladies kicking ass it's not just

  • 32:34

    artistically because if you're an artist

  • 32:36

    let me get off a musician land and get

  • 32:38

    on the artist land now if you're an

  • 32:39

    artist you got to figure out how your

  • 32:41

    image connects with your audience right

  • 32:43

    true however that is you got to figure

  • 32:45

    out your style of dress

  • 32:47

    your style of being seen your style

  • 32:50

    interview

  • 32:51

    your style of hey do you have a cool

  • 32:53

    little hashtag for your for your hive

  • 32:56

    out there like there's a new way of

  • 32:57

    doing things that i think me

  • 33:00

    i think the ladies when you look at it

  • 33:03

    in a hole in totality they have figured

  • 33:06

    it out or

  • 33:08

    we are in that moment where

  • 33:11

    i think it's

  • 33:12

    the labels that are behind the ladies

  • 33:14

    the marketing departments and all that

  • 33:16

    are no more into them i'm sorry all

  • 33:18

    right i'm not gonna step on you i

  • 33:20

    counter that with i hate to be the

  • 33:22

    bearer of bad news the labels never

  • 33:24

    wanted the women to win

  • 33:26

    i don't want to tell you all that cause

  • 33:28

    y'all gonna think it's coming from me

  • 33:29

    and it's not the labels never wanted the

  • 33:32

    women to win talk to any of the women

  • 33:34

    which is fine meg had to go burn down

  • 33:36

    houston before they paid her attention

  • 33:38

    cardi will tell you the label didn't

  • 33:39

    believe in her the girls are expensive

  • 33:41

    yeah the girls are a headache

  • 33:44

    the girls are late

  • 33:46

    the labels didn't want to put the women

  • 33:48

    in the forefront that's why we've had x

  • 33:49

    amount of years in music without the

  • 33:51

    women being at the forefront they took

  • 33:52

    that [ __ ] by the bull horn yeah but you

  • 33:54

    know what happened um

  • 33:55

    that's the fact though

  • 33:57

    yeah but the label don't want you to win

  • 33:59

    until you're all of the women that are

  • 34:00

    prepared for you to win

  • 34:02

    right now it's profitable for him

  • 34:05

    but you're telling me that the sky is

  • 34:06

    blue all you got to do is show a label

  • 34:08

    that something's profitable and they're

  • 34:09

    going to get people to go there yes hey

  • 34:11

    nelly had people go to st louis to find

  • 34:13

    the next hymn yeah all you got to do is

  • 34:16

    get hot where you at the labels is

  • 34:17

    follow the leader so correct what you're

  • 34:19

    saying is a fact what i'm saying is the

  • 34:22

    women all of the women that are popping

  • 34:24

    did it themselves but it's a difference

  • 34:26

    even if even at the different levels of

  • 34:28

    popping

  • 34:29

    from the doges to the flow millies

  • 34:32

    tank was talking about her i would have

  • 34:34

    loved us to talk about gabby wilson

  • 34:37

    because that the music was good then she

  • 34:40

    had to go figure out a rebrand

  • 34:42

    she had to go figure out yo my image

  • 34:44

    something's not connecting tanaji had to

  • 34:46

    do it seven had to do it i just watched

  • 34:48

    seven struggle for years and she caught

  • 34:51

    one she had to figure it out

  • 34:52

    so why why am i not holding the men to

  • 34:54

    the same thing

  • 34:56

    no you [ __ ] can't just keep putting

  • 34:57

    out the same regurgitated computerized

  • 35:00

    [ __ ] and telling me that you battling

  • 35:01

    with future [ __ ] future's future right

  • 35:04

    future is

  • 35:05

    x amount of the marketplace whenever he

  • 35:08

    drops

  • 35:09

    he's in that we're going straight to pop

  • 35:12

    when it drops

  • 35:13

    i'm too sexy didn't have to didn't have

  • 35:15

    to build

  • 35:18

    there's a reason that the a [ __ ] are

  • 35:19

    working with the a [ __ ] that's what

  • 35:21

    he's saying

  • 35:22

    i know but as a dude what he's saying is

  • 35:24

    all in response to me saying yo the

  • 35:27

    girls are kicking ass now he's actually

  • 35:29

    he's 100 correct in what he's saying but

  • 35:31

    that don't change what i'm saying it

  • 35:33

    does change because what you're saying

  • 35:36

    is for the dude the single dude he's

  • 35:39

    faced with more the singer dude not face

  • 35:41

    woman we're talking about the musician

  • 35:42

    the singer dude who loves to sing he

  • 35:46

    loves to write loves to do all of that

  • 35:48

    he's passionate about all of this [ __ ]

  • 35:49

    fam for dude the pop and this is what he

  • 35:52

    brought up with ed sharon and sam smith

  • 35:55

    it's more about it's more it's ten times

  • 35:57

    more than that on the black side well he

  • 36:00

    named let me finish let me finish you

  • 36:02

    talked about outfits you talked about

  • 36:04

    all that [ __ ] when you're a white boy

  • 36:06

    that they could come up there with a

  • 36:07

    wrinkled t-shirt and get busy

  • 36:09

    artistically ish and they're going to be

  • 36:11

    accepted you right

  • 36:12

    and if we include race

  • 36:15

    we'll always be right and for 2022 i

  • 36:19

    want to be a little less racy no no i

  • 36:21

    spent the whole last year being racy

  • 36:22

    let's just let me talk for a second

  • 36:24

    yes those people get the

  • 36:27

    post ed sharon adele sam smith there's

  • 36:30

    some names i've left off

  • 36:33

    because they should be left off like

  • 36:35

    chris brown shouldn't be mentioned

  • 36:37

    chris morales should never be mentioned

  • 36:40

    chris brown popped up in o3 dawg

  • 36:42

    heavyweights around

  • 36:44

    had to sell records labels was really

  • 36:46

    something had to transition between

  • 36:48

    majors figuring out what it does what it

  • 36:50

    was came out on top be the case

  • 36:53

    [ __ ] had the most turbulent career in

  • 36:55

    front of your eyes too talented you

  • 36:56

    can't stop it

  • 36:58

    you can't stop a talent like that oh

  • 37:00

    y'all hate me i'm gonna go graffiti now

  • 37:03

    it's 20 years ago for a year i'm gonna

  • 37:04

    go dan no but he's here still no no what

  • 37:06

    i'm talking about is but even his even

  • 37:08

    his music he's here still changes his

  • 37:10

    music but he's playing music from then

  • 37:12

    tonight i don't even know he ain't for

  • 37:13

    play play i don't talk about it no he's

  • 37:15

    not so i want to make that i want to

  • 37:16

    make that known when we talk about male

  • 37:18

    r b i just want to make it known that

  • 37:20

    the male r b dude is the name for play

  • 37:22

    play your name's not even to be

  • 37:23

    mentioned in this because the crux of my

  • 37:25

    argument is the newer

  • 37:28

    women acts

  • 37:29

    artistically are putting it together in

  • 37:32

    a way that the newer male acts are not

  • 37:35

    tank's point is valid

  • 37:37

    my point is valid biggest point and i

  • 37:38

    love all the music so i don't want it to

  • 37:40

    make it seem like i'm [ __ ] on anyone

  • 37:42

    i want r b to thrive i want to hold

  • 37:44

    y'all to the fire

  • 37:45

    i want to search for music on a friday

  • 37:47

    and it's right there yeah we missing

  • 37:49

    some of his points his major point was

  • 37:51

    women are allowed to be vulnerable women

  • 37:53

    are allowed to be sexy women are allowed

  • 37:55

    to be women the dudes today they don't

  • 37:58

    make r b how or write songs how they did

  • 38:01

    i didn't want to argue with him part of

  • 38:04

    why future

  • 38:05

    is future

  • 38:06

    is because of his ability to be

  • 38:08

    vulnerable in r b

  • 38:10

    i agree so if the male r b acts want to

  • 38:12

    come on talking about popping pills and

  • 38:16

    pardon me but whatever aggressive [ __ ]

  • 38:18

    they talk about i don't know hey mark

  • 38:19

    that

  • 38:20

    then

  • 38:22

    so be it but you as an artist when you

  • 38:24

    sit down with a pen and a paper or in

  • 38:25

    front of a mic or in the studio you have

  • 38:27

    the ability to write about anything you

  • 38:29

    want i know but now you gotta go sell it

  • 38:31

    i was just getting ready to sit now you

  • 38:32

    gotta go sell it wait wait wait wait

  • 38:34

    wait joe and now you gotta get somebody

  • 38:35

    to stand behind what you're writing

  • 38:38

    and in this climate [ __ ] don't wanna

  • 38:39

    hear that soft [ __ ] no

  • 38:41

    and it might be a minority group that

  • 38:43

    does wanna hear it right marketable

  • 38:46

    when you're talking about money you got

  • 38:47

    to feed your family you got to feed your

  • 38:49

    kids and he said that

  • 38:50

    now you got to sell it [ __ ] don't want

  • 38:52

    to hear it when you take it to the label

  • 38:53

    they want to know if you got a little

  • 38:55

    baby on it or they were like he said all

  • 38:57

    right that's cool the record is alright

  • 38:58

    what's your following look like yeah are

  • 38:59

    you viral are you this yeah we're here

  • 39:02

    yo this is the greatest podcast in the

  • 39:04

    world let me tell you a large part of

  • 39:06

    what separates artists that don't have

  • 39:09

    nothing to do with music

  • 39:12

    willingness and ability to sacrifice

  • 39:15

    that's not talked about enough that it's

  • 39:17

    not

  • 39:17

    so as i watch all of these music docs

  • 39:21

    from back to the 50s

  • 39:23

    before they talk about the hits that

  • 39:25

    took off

  • 39:27

    they talk about the struggle

  • 39:28

    and the ability to sacrifice and making

  • 39:31

    a tough decision [ __ ] this ain't even a

  • 39:33

    race thing they did it that in the kenny

  • 39:35

    g dark too

  • 39:36

    that's true if you are an artist you

  • 39:39

    have to learn

  • 39:40

    when it's time to buckle your belt and

  • 39:42

    not eat and sleep on your man's floor

  • 39:44

    for a little bit versus oh we on now

  • 39:47

    we on now i agree i remember going back

  • 39:49

    to the hood when the label was saying

  • 39:51

    all right fine find a record that that

  • 39:53

    works at radio i was 20

  • 39:58

    from jersey city

  • 40:00

    what the [ __ ] do i know about what will

  • 40:02

    work on a radio i just learned how to

  • 40:04

    make a record

  • 40:05

    like what are y'all talking about right

  • 40:07

    now

  • 40:08

    so it's just some people that

  • 40:10

    i don't even remember why i brought that

  • 40:11

    up because my brain is all over it

  • 40:12

    because i said that now the young kids

  • 40:16

    when you face with two things and most

  • 40:18

    people it's easier said than done right

  • 40:21

    most people what is like water you're

  • 40:22

    gonna take the path for least resistance

  • 40:24

    so yeah you could thug it out and you

  • 40:26

    could starve not knowing if you ever

  • 40:28

    gonna pop but when this label tells you

  • 40:30

    go do x y and z because it's gonna sell

  • 40:32

    for them [ __ ] you 20 years old

  • 40:34

    you're gonna go do x y and z when you as

  • 40:36

    a 20 year old rapper if they would have

  • 40:38

    laid out a floor plan for you to go do x

  • 40:40

    y and z you would have did that and then

  • 40:44

    let me reply to that they laid out a

  • 40:46

    floor plan it was just wrong because if

  • 40:48

    you listen to the label people it's

  • 40:50

    going to always be wrong the answer

  • 40:52

    comes from the artist always and we

  • 40:53

    inject it into the game and the game

  • 40:55

    copies it mimics it puts generations

  • 40:58

    so no the template was yo go to the club

  • 41:00

    surround yourself with [ __ ] stand on

  • 41:02

    the couch get you an upbeat up tempo

  • 41:04

    record that will play at 1am 2am in the

  • 41:06

    club that was the template

  • 41:08

    that was wrong i'm not disagreeing but

  • 41:11

    they control the money hey wait wait

  • 41:13

    wait hold up stupid ass me i'm not a

  • 41:15

    street [ __ ] i'm not a drug dealer i'm

  • 41:17

    not a gang member in 2001. i'm on the

  • 41:20

    internet hey if y'all telling me to go

  • 41:22

    look at what's hot i don't know what's

  • 41:24

    hot

  • 41:24

    i'm not outside i'm an inside baby y'all

  • 41:27

    didn't ask me that when you sign me i

  • 41:29

    like to be indoors

  • 41:30

    an introvert

  • 41:32

    so now i to go look online

  • 41:34

    oh [ __ ] is mad [ __ ] out there online

  • 41:36

    let me come tell y'all

  • 41:37

    they dismissed that for 10 years we

  • 41:39

    don't need to harp on it but they was

  • 41:41

    late the industry's gonna always be late

  • 41:43

    if you look at these docks they're gonna

  • 41:44

    always be late they're gonna wait for

  • 41:45

    one of us to figure it out

  • 41:47

    and then they're just going to insert it

  • 41:48

    but the problem is with the younger

  • 41:51

    younger artists you can't figure it out

  • 41:52

    you can't be held with them

  • 41:55

    as a younger artist today i don't need

  • 41:57

    to figure it out because instagram is

  • 41:58

    going to pay me for uploading [ __ ]

  • 42:00

    twitter is going to pay me for uploading

  • 42:01

    [ __ ] and youtube is going to pay me for

  • 42:03

    uploading these are things that did not

  • 42:05

    exist when i came in

  • 42:07

    so it makes it a little easier to strap

  • 42:09

    in your belt if i got five that on a low

  • 42:12

    scale

  • 42:14

    five grand a month coming in

  • 42:17

    you good with man

  • 42:18

    that's the lowest that's the lowest

  • 42:20

    scale if you building what if you got a

  • 42:23

    couple i'm talking entry level [ __ ]

  • 42:24

    let's let's lower it a little bit three

  • 42:26

    grand a month to sit home you know

  • 42:29

    blessed i feel that we come in here and

  • 42:30

    do this podcast twice a week

  • 42:34

    two times yo what it says to me is with

  • 42:37

    proper planning execution and by design

  • 42:40

    you can set your life up in a way

  • 42:42

    where you make the most out of your time

  • 42:45

    i think that a lot of these newer acts

  • 42:48

    are seeing that and doing it which is

  • 42:51

    why we have young dolph saying yo they

  • 42:52

    offered me 50 mil i'm cool

  • 42:55

    that's why we got some of these other

  • 42:56

    that's why you got me the russians

  • 42:58

    they offered me 30 mil but no listen to

  • 43:01

    the sentence from me from [ __ ]

  • 43:03

    spanish harlem in a project listen

  • 43:05

    listen to any russ interview he gives

  • 43:07

    you a blueprint every time you give a

  • 43:08

    mic in front of him

  • 43:10

    you know i'm saying he was just on the

  • 43:10

    breakfast club with charlemagne talking

  • 43:12

    about the blueprint every time he opens

  • 43:14

    his mouth he talks about it

  • 43:16

    and he talks about how the industry

  • 43:17

    won't put a light on him because why

  • 43:19

    would you want to promote such knowledge

  • 43:20

    you wouldn't right you wouldn't want to

  • 43:22

    promote that we wanted to rob you we

  • 43:24

    want you to keep thinking it's this way

  • 43:26

    yeah you can't know that there's another

  • 43:27

    way out

  • 43:29

    the industry is designed to keep you in

  • 43:31

    debt in

  • 43:32

    blind yeah and making them feel like

  • 43:34

    they have the power

  • 43:36

    yeah and to the younger ones coming in

  • 43:38

    you're looking at it is okay

  • 43:40

    that's what's selling and that's what's

  • 43:42

    popular i have to do that now and the

  • 43:45

    other thing that we missing is a lot of

  • 43:46

    young artists coming in i'm not saying

  • 43:48

    all of you please don't take this the

  • 43:49

    wrong way a lot of young artists coming

  • 43:51

    in ain't coming in with the heart for it

  • 43:54

    true this is one of the ways to get the

  • 43:56

    money no it's a way to get out the hood

  • 43:59

    but i'm just saying this we talk a lot

  • 44:00

    we're speaking a lot about passion and

  • 44:02

    and i'm putting my all and my feelings

  • 44:04

    in this no no no no we're dancing from

  • 44:06

    musician music guitarist to artists yeah

  • 44:10

    we do we are doing the dancing arguments

  • 44:12

    so we should make it clear to them it's

  • 44:14

    two different rules well that's why it's

  • 44:16

    true specified i'm not talking i mean

  • 44:18

    but again i just think that

  • 44:20

    what he said yo it was just

  • 44:23

    poignant because

  • 44:25

    it's so many other factors for the dudes

  • 44:28

    you know i mean like your talent ain't

  • 44:29

    even the lead factor no more well that's

  • 44:32

    yes and no that's not yes or no fam they

  • 44:34

    can fabricate songs yeah but talent

  • 44:36

    still rises to the top

  • 44:38

    i disagree and we mean you had this

  • 44:40

    argument 20 years ago not 20 15 years

  • 44:42

    ago it's televised on youtube me and

  • 44:45

    joe's arguing 20 years ago about talent

  • 44:47

    beating out

  • 44:48

    the the the machine

  • 44:50

    i was wrong in the heart the machine

  • 44:52

    wins bro

  • 44:53

    sometimes the machine won with rihanna

  • 44:55

    versus kisha cole it did

  • 44:57

    okay but the machine i submit to it's

  • 45:00

    just argument there the machine wins but

  • 45:02

    remember we was having this talking 0.8

  • 45:04

    it's still relevant today because you

  • 45:06

    could take a kelly price you could take

  • 45:08

    a singer a real singer that could sing

  • 45:10

    their ass off and will smoke most of

  • 45:13

    these girls under a dresser somewhere

  • 45:15

    but they can't market them and that's

  • 45:17

    where the money comes in

  • 45:18

    short term

  • 45:20

    i disagree but also time short term okay

  • 45:23

    might check one two one two might check

  • 45:25

    one two one two let me open up right

  • 45:26

    quick

  • 45:28

    a little late for an intro on the pod

  • 45:30

    but we're doing this for male r b right

  • 45:32

    now this ain't the version you got in

  • 45:34

    your serato neither don't do that

  • 45:36

    it's the carnegie mix the instruments

  • 45:38

    it's different it's different you hurt

  • 45:42

    see y'all missed that little [ __ ] like

  • 45:43

    that you hear that you hit that horn

  • 45:44

    note when the first star-ish look look

  • 45:46

    at the horn look

  • 45:48

    come on man

  • 45:50

    come on i do this music thing i do this

  • 45:52

    you do

  • 45:53

    oh youtube i hope y'all can get this i

  • 45:55

    hope y'all could

  • 45:56

    you can't though i got to

  • 45:58

    i gotta monetize

  • 46:00

    it now

  • 46:01

    the things we're doing for monetization

  • 46:03

    out there man it's crazy

  • 46:05

    all right

  • 46:06

    we'll get this going 40 minutes later 40

  • 46:08

    minutes later but it's cool it's a vibe

  • 46:11

    come on man that's my favorite solo come

  • 46:13

    on man nah come on man i should put you

  • 46:16

    in a good mood

  • 46:17

    today yo

  • 46:18

    what's y'all going today why y'all show

  • 46:20

    up like this today what you mean y'all

  • 46:21

    like seeing you all inspired by the time

  • 46:23

    stamp killer

  • 46:24

    all it takes is one dude to come and do

  • 46:26

    his job thoroughly

  • 46:28

    look at everybody else stepping it up

  • 46:30

    how y'all brothers feeling great how you

  • 46:32

    doing how's your mental health how's

  • 46:33

    your family how's your children how's

  • 46:35

    your wife wife

  • 46:37

    sorry

  • 46:38

    sorry y'all just fronting still

  • 46:40

    everybody's good man all right good how

  • 46:42

    was your weekend

  • 46:43

    mine yeah oh cool cool

  • 46:45

    mine's cool

  • 46:46

    oh a little stayed home watch some tv

  • 46:49

    okay stayed in bed chilled out a little

  • 46:51

    bit

  • 46:52

    that's it that's it that's all i got man

  • 46:53

    somebody take it away

  • 47:09

    i don't know if i believe half that [ __ ]

  • 47:11

    you know they had like paintings from

  • 47:13

    walls like on stone from 2000 bc that

  • 47:16

    they stole from somewhere no doubt it

  • 47:18

    was [ __ ] they made that [ __ ] up like

  • 47:20

    [ __ ] man a little slightly called

  • 47:22

    [ __ ] on some of that yeah yeah and

  • 47:24

    my second thought was the arrogance they

  • 47:26

    had a temple from egypt in what was

  • 47:28

    formerly the sackler uh wing but they

  • 47:30

    got rid of the sacko name so i think

  • 47:32

    probably just right just recently like

  • 47:34

    yeah i'm pretty sure

  • 47:38

    from egypt so they stole the temple

  • 47:41

    i don't know how they acquired it

  • 47:42

    probably stolen they you think they went

  • 47:44

    over there but even if they did it even

  • 47:46

    if they paid people or whatever the [ __ ]

  • 47:48

    the arrogance to be like you know what

  • 47:50

    we're gonna take this to manhattan

  • 47:53

    we're going to put it right here

  • 47:55

    y'all need it

  • 47:58

    you don't need that temple no that's

  • 47:59

    real no we're going to move it

  • 48:02

    a temple with stones

  • 48:04

    like four foot by four foot stones

  • 48:08

    what are you talking about you hear his

  • 48:10

    voice

  • 48:11

    that is wow

  • 48:12

    that's a while

  • 48:14

    that it's something you gotta be a real

  • 48:15

    [ __ ] to do that you know

  • 48:17

    do you mind you have to be a real

  • 48:18

    [ __ ] to participate in museums in

  • 48:21

    america no to take somebody else's [ __ ]

  • 48:24

    charge somebody else to get into this

  • 48:26

    still they should charge you to come

  • 48:28

    look at this [ __ ] that i stole from them

  • 48:30

    which

  • 48:31

    is

  • 48:33

    museums in america

  • 48:35

    yeah i'm just pretty sure museums

  • 48:36

    worldwide yeah i don't even think it's

  • 48:37

    just america no but if it's your [ __ ]

  • 48:39

    you go yeah i can't speak for worldwide

  • 48:41

    because it might be that [ __ ] none of

  • 48:43

    this [ __ ] over here it's ours it's ours

  • 48:45

    we're going to museums to see [ __ ] that

  • 48:47

    they took from somebody and brought it

  • 48:50

    over here and put it in a nice class

  • 48:52

    case i'm trying to be less racy so i'll

  • 48:54

    leave that to y'all

  • 48:56

    ah we know you're not doing that because

  • 48:58

    it's too many there's too many there's

  • 48:59

    too many wipes there's too many white

  • 49:01

    people that i [ __ ] with out there i love

  • 49:03

    them someone else would be like yo

  • 49:05

    it's getting heavy to listen to it seems

  • 49:07

    like there are being pretty equal

  • 49:08

    opportunities about stealing [ __ ] there

  • 49:09

    was roman [ __ ] greek [ __ ] [ __ ] yeah

  • 49:12

    they said they were stealing

  • 49:13

    [ __ ] that's your cousin [ __ ]

  • 49:15

    now you borrowed that from your cousins

  • 49:17

    let's trade i'm gonna get you some

  • 49:18

    american [ __ ] you give me some italian

  • 49:20

    [ __ ] that being said it was like it was

  • 49:22

    pretty inspiring because it was like

  • 49:24

    humans are [ __ ] nuts like people were

  • 49:25

    2 000 years ago making these detailed

  • 49:27

    [ __ ] gold chains and [ __ ] like

  • 49:30

    [ __ ] armor with nipples and abs on

  • 49:32

    them and [ __ ] like how the [ __ ] was

  • 49:34

    y'all doing that [ __ ] no like if you go

  • 49:36

    to uh i don't know if y'all ever been

  • 49:37

    but you're going like the sistine chapel

  • 49:39

    and all that though you hear what he

  • 49:41

    just eats

  • 49:43

    and i didn't like it at all don't do

  • 49:44

    that again yeah please don't don't talk

  • 49:46

    down on me like do that again

  • 49:52

    i know if [ __ ] over there say the

  • 49:54

    point all right don't attack us

  • 50:18

    yeah egypt like how's i've seen letters

  • 50:21

    that my grandpa wrote in like the world

  • 50:23

    world war two or whatever that are faded

  • 50:25

    like they got some [ __ ] from three

  • 50:26

    thousand four thousand they're gonna

  • 50:28

    restore that [ __ ] they've been having

  • 50:29

    that change

  • 50:30

    [ __ ]

  • 50:32

    i was thinking my whole time like no way

  • 50:34

    that's not real nah it can't be tanks

  • 50:36

    with no oxygen all like that oh come on

  • 50:38

    conspiracy there is joe no no no no no

  • 50:40

    no

  • 50:41

    y'all are cooking and i don't want to

  • 50:43

    step on my co-host y'all are going crazy

  • 50:46

    but while y'all were talking about that

  • 50:48

    somehow it led my brain to the youtube

  • 50:50

    rabbit hole that i went down today

  • 50:53

    of these two mexican dudes who just

  • 50:55

    build duplex apartments with under

  • 50:59

    lavish underground living conditions

  • 51:01

    with pools

  • 51:02

    from scratch in the wild right okay

  • 51:07

    it's two of them

  • 51:09

    they seem to have monopolized the word

  • 51:11

    primitive

  • 51:12

    their youtube page i think is like

  • 51:14

    primitive building or primitive tools or

  • 51:17

    primitive anything with primitive okay

  • 51:19

    there's this two mexican dudes and they

  • 51:22

    keep building astronomical [ __ ]

  • 51:24

    out of just wood

  • 51:26

    and it looks amazing

  • 51:27

    and i thought this was pretty amazing

  • 51:29

    when they had 50 million views on

  • 51:33

    one or two vids

  • 51:35

    as i continued to search i learned that

  • 51:37

    it was probably them that owned all of

  • 51:39

    these primitive pages and they keep

  • 51:40

    uploading the same video on like 10

  • 51:42

    different pages so they look really poor

  • 51:44

    but i think they're billionaires

  • 51:46

    i think they're billionaires look at

  • 51:47

    these two dudes they're billionaires yo

  • 51:50

    and they are tricking us with dirty

  • 51:52

    clothes

  • 51:54

    that's what they just take your shirt

  • 51:55

    off while you do this that's what they

  • 51:56

    do oh no you pulling up some [ __ ]

  • 51:58

    with 8 000 views these [ __ ] average 50

  • 52:01

    million views and it's on 10 different

  • 52:03

    pages no you ain't seen that [ __ ] thumb

  • 52:05

    that [ __ ] don't look worse than yours

  • 52:09

    nigga's not rich

  • 52:13

    he's right

  • 52:14

    man i don't want to be the guy to tell

  • 52:16

    you this no i've seen him build a

  • 52:18

    swimming pool he's also rich clay he's

  • 52:20

    rich

  • 52:22

    he may be not look rich he may not sound

  • 52:25

    rich if you heard him talk this kid is

  • 52:27

    rich he's a billionaire somebody

  • 52:29

    monetized this [ __ ] is rich

  • 52:32

    if he don't own these pages then he has

  • 52:35

    a lawsuit coming to somebody

  • 52:37

    no they might be i thought about

  • 52:38

    stealing this nigga's content

  • 52:41

    i'd just be impressed man like in the

  • 52:43

    last two years we've been stuck inside

  • 52:44

    the house [ __ ] looking at the

  • 52:45

    internet and like seeing [ __ ] that

  • 52:47

    people did like this or like in the

  • 52:49

    museums

  • 52:50

    gave me like a little new faith and

  • 52:52

    humanity to somebody yeah sometimes yeah

  • 52:55

    like man we're pretty cool sometimes

  • 52:56

    when we're not on our [ __ ]

  • 52:58

    by

  • 53:10

    yeah you're not blowing that [ __ ] down

  • 53:11

    look at him climbed out the tunnel all

  • 53:13

    right enough of these dudes they got

  • 53:14

    enough money um what would your

  • 53:16

    gentleman like to begin with 40 minutes

  • 53:17

    in 45 minutes in

  • 53:19

    anything you want whatever is on and

  • 53:23

    whatever is on the down we can start

  • 53:25

    anywhere you gentlemen what's important

  • 53:27

    yo did y'all watch uh

  • 53:29

    i don't know if y'all watched um you

  • 53:31

    better start with something that's not

  • 53:32

    the video music boxer okay that's not

  • 53:34

    the most important thing in the world

  • 53:36

    it's not the most important thing in the

  • 53:37

    world so you go to we're not gonna start

  • 53:38

    there we'll start with someone a little

  • 53:40

    more relevant

  • 53:41

    oh okay i didn't see this didn't have

  • 53:43

    this one here not going to cover that

  • 53:45

    yeah no not going to cover that i think

  • 53:47

    that's i think that's the media going

  • 53:49

    wild yeah

  • 53:50

    yeah you ain't gonna trick me with the

  • 53:51

    media tricks i will wait for the

  • 53:53

    proceedings thank you very much

  • 53:55

    don't fool me with what the blogs are

  • 53:57

    saying

  • 54:01

    all right let's see

  • 54:02

    what is important still festival season

  • 54:05

    you want to oh i met somebody i meant to

  • 54:07

    tell [ __ ] tank that all the [ __ ]

  • 54:08

    doing that can we talk challenge or

  • 54:10

    trash and they're off beat and off key

  • 54:13

    and they sound like [ __ ] maybe i'll call

  • 54:14

    him back to tell him that yeah i'm gonna

  • 54:16

    call him back um all right travis scott

  • 54:20

    offered to perform for free at coachella

  • 54:23

    coachella said no

  • 54:25

    don't know why that's big news

  • 54:27

    it's probably big news because of the

  • 54:29

    names involved but no no festival is

  • 54:31

    touching travis scott right now he's his

  • 54:33

    name

  • 54:34

    and the appearance of his name is a

  • 54:36

    liability it detracts fans right now

  • 54:38

    it's not an attraction it doesn't

  • 54:39

    incentivize anyone so

  • 54:42

    this was painfully obvious when it was

  • 54:43

    reported i just felt i needed to tell

  • 54:45

    y'all because they made the thing tell

  • 54:47

    the why yeah they made it a thing

  • 54:50

    yeah no they can't have him they can't

  • 54:51

    host him right now and no one

  • 54:53

    coachella's not hard-pressed to find a

  • 54:54

    replacement no no

  • 54:57

    this ain't summer jam letting the baby

  • 54:58

    perform no disrespect because i did like

  • 55:00

    that move

  • 55:02

    just a little different but this ain't

  • 55:04

    that now boy was it telling that travis

  • 55:07

    scott would want to perform for free

  • 55:12

    that part was telling

  • 55:14

    now we know in his predicament you

  • 55:16

    probably should want to perform for free

  • 55:17

    but what it says is that

  • 55:20

    oh we kind of need the coachella machine

  • 55:24

    to make things look a little more

  • 55:27

    to make things appear

  • 55:29

    if they see that coachella is still

  • 55:31

    backing

  • 55:32

    this

  • 55:33

    then maybe we won't lose all of these

  • 55:35

    other opportunities uh he lost his

  • 55:37

    little energy drink i didn't know he had

  • 55:38

    one but

  • 55:40

    i can imagine that when people die

  • 55:42

    you're gonna start losing some deals

  • 55:43

    travis scott i pray for you hold your

  • 55:45

    head still

  • 55:46

    i know this is still rough for you

  • 55:48

    and you still have to balance this kind

  • 55:50

    of juggling act so

  • 55:52

    that's not lost upon me uh and just to

  • 55:55

    clarify

  • 55:56

    they said um

  • 55:58

    it's not canceled it's on hold ah they

  • 56:02

    gave you know they

  • 56:03

    this is basically just saying you're too

  • 56:05

    hot right now

  • 56:06

    you're gonna sit down for a little bit

  • 56:08

    revisit this and we'll revisit this

  • 56:11

    yeah when everybody if you're still a

  • 56:12

    money machine exactly

  • 56:14

    100 we can't not work with you we just

  • 56:16

    can't not work with you right now right

  • 56:19

    you got to think about him though and

  • 56:21

    what

  • 56:22

    he feeling just sitting at home

  • 56:24

    you know what i'm saying like

  • 56:26

    you're just sitting at home you'd be

  • 56:27

    right he probably don't want to go off

  • 56:28

    yeah i was going to say i said no you do

  • 56:30

    but you don't like people died i really

  • 56:32

    got to think about him right he'll be

  • 56:33

    sorry yeah he's alive and this is coming

  • 56:35

    from a huge travis fan i still listen to

  • 56:37

    the music but

  • 56:39

    how he feels right now because people

  • 56:42

    are backing away from him is like at the

  • 56:44

    bottom of the list i ain't saying about

  • 56:45

    people

  • 56:46

    how he feels about how he's being a part

  • 56:48

    of such a catastrophe yeah like i ain't

  • 56:50

    talking about he didn't ask for that

  • 56:52

    yeah he didn't plan for that

  • 56:54

    i'm sure if he could have his way it

  • 56:56

    would go another way of course see and

  • 56:58

    that that's where i differ i'm not

  • 57:00

    saying he asked for people to get killed

  • 57:02

    he's been asking for injuries he's been

  • 57:05

    you have a lyric saying if they ain't no

  • 57:06

    mosh pit if they ain't no injury he has

  • 57:07

    been asked i'm sorry he has been asking

  • 57:09

    for organized chaos he has not been

  • 57:12

    asking for death

  • 57:13

    i said he's not asking for death this

  • 57:15

    time but but people died so we want to

  • 57:17

    be clear correct he

  • 57:20

    yes

  • 57:21

    he was promoting being wild and being

  • 57:24

    free and having fun

  • 57:25

    i am not going to say that travis scott

  • 57:27

    was promoting death no no no no no i'm

  • 57:29

    not going to do it no no no i don't i'm

  • 57:30

    not going to put that on that i'm not

  • 57:32

    saying he was promoting serious injury

  • 57:34

    either a lot of times people say what

  • 57:35

    they say but that don't necessarily mean

  • 57:37

    that

  • 57:38

    that's what

  • 57:42

    the result is the result we don't really

  • 57:44

    care about your intention because this

  • 57:45

    is what happened it's bums in the port

  • 57:47

    authority that didn't intend on being

  • 57:49

    homeless yet here we are

  • 57:51

    your intentions don't matter when when

  • 57:53

    you at your show

  • 57:54

    i believe it was it was in new york i

  • 57:56

    forget which venue it was maybe earlier

  • 57:57

    where you talked to the guy

  • 57:58

    yeah like you are asking for serious

  • 58:01

    injuries when you gassed the dude up to

  • 58:02

    jump from the top and he broke both his

  • 58:04

    legs you're doing that maybe he don't

  • 58:07

    jump if you don't do that

  • 58:09

    i heard a different side of that story

  • 58:11

    but

  • 58:12

    i don't wanna yo whatever is happening i

  • 58:15

    imagine him to be having a difficult

  • 58:16

    time exactly

  • 58:18

    and i

  • 58:19

    am praying for anybody parents included

  • 58:21

    of people that lost their children

  • 58:23

    that's having a difficult time and

  • 58:24

    that's just not related to astro world

  • 58:27

    holiday season

  • 58:28

    [Music]

  • 58:30

    i hate to be that guy again

  • 58:33

    but

  • 58:34

    the world keeps showing me

  • 58:37

    that's what it is in december yo it

  • 58:39

    ain't just dumb no it's not it ain't

  • 58:41

    just them yo [ __ ] just [ __ ] up out

  • 58:42

    here [ __ ] is dying [ __ ] is [ __ ] up

  • 58:44

    yo rest in peace vic yo

  • 58:46

    rest in peace vic rest in peace to vic i

  • 58:49

    hate to bring new york business to a

  • 58:51

    worldwide platform this way

  • 58:53

    but uh vic was a beloved uptown [ __ ]

  • 58:56

    man who who died over the weekend had a

  • 58:59

    heart attack in the club that's the

  • 59:00

    story that's reported from the news

  • 59:02

    outlets if i'm incorrect in that then my

  • 59:05

    apologies

  • 59:06

    but i want to be sensitive to this and

  • 59:08

    handle this with care because this is

  • 59:09

    somebody from uptown that [ __ ] love

  • 59:11

    [ __ ] [ __ ] with was cool as a fan yeah

  • 59:14

    he was 31 years old

  • 59:16

    31 years old and had a heart attack

  • 59:19

    while he was outside partying having a

  • 59:21

    time of his life

  • 59:23

    i'm still one of those guys that when

  • 59:24

    people die especially at a young age and

  • 59:27

    i see their instagram or you guys show

  • 59:30

    love and post their instagram i go to

  • 59:32

    their instagram

  • 59:34

    and i pay attention to the plans that

  • 59:35

    they had made

  • 59:37

    vic was promoting new year's eve plans

  • 59:39

    real big party that he was a part of

  • 59:41

    hosting

  • 59:42

    that he won't be a part of hosting

  • 59:44

    right super super super sad

  • 59:47

    and that's part of the ps uh ptsd that

  • 59:50

    comes with podcasting especially this

  • 59:52

    month i've been saying it all month

  • 59:54

    i come in here

  • 59:56

    i don't think we've done a podcast this

  • 59:58

    month without having a beast not at all

  • 1:00:00

    we have not i don't even think in

  • 1:00:01

    november

  • 1:00:03

    it's been a minute it's been a little

  • 1:00:05

    while

  • 1:00:07

    it's been a minute these times are

  • 1:00:09

    trying for people

  • 1:00:11

    they're difficult for people

  • 1:00:13

    and to randomly have a heart attack

  • 1:00:16

    wherever you are with your loved ones

  • 1:00:17

    watching i can't imagine it i can't

  • 1:00:19

    imagine it and of course everybody that

  • 1:00:21

    passes has young children

  • 1:00:23

    hurts my heart even more rest in peace

  • 1:00:25

    to vic i dedicate this episode to vic

  • 1:00:27

    and our prayers thoughts and condolences

  • 1:00:29

    go to anybody anybody who knew vic loved

  • 1:00:32

    vic anybody uptown anybody that partied

  • 1:00:34

    with him had a vibe we won't celebrate

  • 1:00:36

    his life today

  • 1:00:38

    because i know a lot of people that were

  • 1:00:40

    extremely too close to vic

  • 1:00:43

    so rest in peace to vic

  • 1:00:45

    but it's not just that yo it's not j yo

  • 1:00:49

    okay i have kids so i have a soft spot

  • 1:00:52

    in my heart for kids right and it's my

  • 1:00:54

    baby's birthday today round of applause

  • 1:00:58

    there you go oh my god turning four

  • 1:01:00

    years old

  • 1:01:01

    i love you baby

  • 1:01:03

    damn hopefully you get something it

  • 1:01:05

    flies it flies by happy birthday lex i

  • 1:01:08

    love you but just when [ __ ] pass when

  • 1:01:10

    they have children yo it just hits a

  • 1:01:12

    special spot in my heart

  • 1:01:14

    i got my mind does all types of thinking

  • 1:01:16

    and racing and just thoughts and prayers

  • 1:01:20

    love condolences when you when you when

  • 1:01:23

    you got a transition

  • 1:01:25

    during the holidays it's yeah

  • 1:01:28

    it's nasty it's nasty out there this is

  • 1:01:30

    really my biggest fear right now a lot

  • 1:01:31

    of happy hearts uptown man i feel for

  • 1:01:34

    y'all i feel for y'all as it should be

  • 1:01:36

    that is my biggest feel like i look at

  • 1:01:37

    my uncle

  • 1:01:39

    rest in peace he passed away when his

  • 1:01:41

    daughter was six months old

  • 1:01:43

    and

  • 1:01:44

    still like i'm every time i look at my

  • 1:01:46

    daughter i'm just like yo i gotta be

  • 1:01:48

    here yo but you ain't in control of that

  • 1:01:50

    you have no control that's the scariest

  • 1:01:53

    [ __ ] to me bro and will you won't be

  • 1:01:55

    here like when these types of deaths

  • 1:01:57

    happen

  • 1:01:58

    like

  • 1:01:59

    a small part of me starts hating on the

  • 1:02:01

    people that'll be alive and present

  • 1:02:04

    70 80 years from now i believe they'll

  • 1:02:06

    have a device to say hey you take

  • 1:02:08

    another drink and you are

  • 1:02:10

    this close to a heart attack or this

  • 1:02:12

    close to a seizure

  • 1:02:14

    like when we start having those

  • 1:02:15

    conversations about chips and how they

  • 1:02:18

    might be advantageous health is the

  • 1:02:20

    first thing i go to yeah so it's like

  • 1:02:23

    some of those things that we fall victim

  • 1:02:24

    to now

  • 1:02:26

    just not knowing when our body will

  • 1:02:27

    collapse on us

  • 1:02:29

    having no control over where we'll be i

  • 1:02:31

    don't think they'll suffer from that 50

  • 1:02:32

    sixty seventy eighty years from now [ __ ]

  • 1:02:35

    might be sooner or not yeah if you

  • 1:02:37

    listen to elon musk it might be sooner

  • 1:02:39

    that rest in peace vic shout out to his

  • 1:02:41

    family friends really really really

  • 1:02:43

    really beloved and uh

  • 1:02:45

    uh on dickman and uptown man sad day sad

  • 1:02:48

    day

  • 1:02:48

    uh

  • 1:02:49

    if we listen to elon musk then yes who

  • 1:02:52

    is round of applause times magazine time

  • 1:02:55

    magazine's person of the year

  • 1:02:58

    man of the year elon musk i don't have

  • 1:03:01

    much to report on that outside of all my

  • 1:03:03

    stock people telling me that tesla's the

  • 1:03:06

    move

  • 1:03:07

    yeah i can see it that's what i have

  • 1:03:09

    elon said the chips are closer than we

  • 1:03:12

    think he said trains in la are closer

  • 1:03:13

    than we think everything's closer than

  • 1:03:15

    we think

  • 1:03:16

    i can't imagine what that guy's brain

  • 1:03:18

    goes through on a day to day so yeah

  • 1:03:19

    i'll just invest

  • 1:03:21

    i'll just i think i'm smart [ __ ] make

  • 1:03:23

    me look like a [ __ ]

  • 1:03:24

    mentor

  • 1:03:25

    yeah like [ __ ] your little dumbass out

  • 1:03:27

    here

  • 1:03:28

    yeah cause they just think about some i

  • 1:03:30

    mean when it comes to being smart they

  • 1:03:32

    just think about some of the things that

  • 1:03:33

    are like really far out thoughts to us

  • 1:03:35

    like

  • 1:03:36

    elon musk is talking about hey in

  • 1:03:40

    uh

  • 1:03:41

    irl

  • 1:03:43

    we don't have enough humans

  • 1:03:45

    right

  • 1:03:46

    listen to that

  • 1:03:48

    wait we don't have that that's what his

  • 1:03:49

    brain is plagued with his brain

  • 1:03:52

    is saying that

  • 1:03:54

    modern civilization

  • 1:03:56

    as the world ought to know it does not

  • 1:03:58

    have enough humans to function the way

  • 1:04:00

    that it's supposed to function that's

  • 1:04:01

    what his brain says it's so weird

  • 1:04:03

    because everybody else is saying we got

  • 1:04:04

    too many if we're idiots i mean i like

  • 1:04:07

    to listen to people like him who just

  • 1:04:09

    think

  • 1:04:10

    outside

  • 1:04:15

    anybody that's just has an outlandish

  • 1:04:17

    thought that sounds stupid today that

  • 1:04:19

    might make sense in 50 60 years i want

  • 1:04:22

    to hear from i do and i want to see what

  • 1:04:24

    la looks like with trains

  • 1:04:27

    i see what new york looks like with

  • 1:04:28

    trains and

  • 1:04:30

    you need more money to fix it

  • 1:04:33

    but every day there's somebody

  • 1:04:35

    attempting to stab somebody on the new

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    york subway oh yeah every day is to be

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    funny no that's what your brain went no

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    whatever that's not where my brain goes

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    that's what they doing i turn on the

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    news every day every day is yo [ __ ]

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    smacks the [ __ ] out of a girl on the

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    train yo [ __ ] stab somebody on the

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    train yo [ __ ] mental health problem

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    goals on the train

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    actually i come in here today because

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    all weekend my brain stayed on back to

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    having kids and having a soft spot for

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    children

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    there's a video going around of a mental

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    health patient

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    and i want to talk i'll do you have to

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    talk about it

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    and i'll grant him the courtesy

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    and death

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    to call him a mental health patient

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    actually before i get there

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    i want to highlight a doc that i watched

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    at least 90 times

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    because that's how sick it was and i

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    don't remember the guy's name it was

  • 1:05:31

    sean vannis or sean cantus or sean

  • 1:05:34

    something

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    but this this little white dude was sick

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    enough

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    to kill his girlfriend

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    and two daughters

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    both under the age of five

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    and help the police look for them now i

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    watch a lot of docs yo i do

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    i have never seen one

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    where the 40 year old dad

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    kills

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    girl dad as they like to say um

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    kills two girls

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    and his girlfriend and helps the police

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    look for them for 30 40 however many

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    days it was

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    if y'all saw that story then y'all know

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    just how sick it was that's up there

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    with for me the the girl that was on

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    trial for trying to aid her boyfriend

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    that could kill himself via text that

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    was a unique case as well

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    but i ain't never seen no [ __ ] like a

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    parent doing that he threw his two

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    daughters in the oil oh yeah yeah i

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    remember this

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    i seen this too alive

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    they were alive

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    earlier in the doc the oldest one is

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    talking about how she's a daddy's girl

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    and she loves him death she was the one

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    he threw in last

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    and she said daddy what are you doing

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    after her little sister was gone in oil

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    not water

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    oil

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    right so i think about this because i

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    have kids and everybody that dies

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    has kids

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    and this nigga's a sicko

  • 1:07:07

    and then we have this video floating

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    around if you haven't seen it i'll

  • 1:07:10

    explain it to you for the last few days

  • 1:07:13

    it was so disturbing i tried not to

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    watch it but then it gained traction and

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    momentum

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    so it's a gentleman who is clearly going

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    through mental health issues

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    and he's using this video to discuss

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    mental health issues

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    when it comes to parents or dads

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    specifically unable to see their

  • 1:07:32

    children

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    and going through the court process and

  • 1:07:35

    the baby mom process of seeing your

  • 1:07:38

    children when it gets rough

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    this guy was a sicko

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    this guy

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    killed his current girlfriend who was

  • 1:07:47

    pregnant

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    because she threatened for him not to

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    see his kid that weren't wasn't born yet

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    he killed her

  • 1:07:56

    went to his ex-girlfriend's house

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    knocked on the door

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    turned his video on and start recording

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    himself saying yo yo

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    i did some wild [ __ ] i blacked out i

  • 1:08:06

    just killed my ex-girlfriend

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    yo ladies out there if you can let the

  • 1:08:11

    dad see their kid blah blah blah he went

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    into why he was losing his mind

  • 1:08:16

    his ex answered the door he said oh

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    here's my ex right there today is the

  • 1:08:22

    day and he ran in there and he killed

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    his ex

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    after killing his present girl pregnant

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    girlfriend and then killed himself

  • 1:08:32

    now

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    i want to say

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    to y'all out there who might suffer like

  • 1:08:36

    me trigger running

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    trigger warning trigger warning

  • 1:08:42

    because this stuff is disturbing

  • 1:08:44

    but i am going to play this i'm going to

  • 1:08:46

    play this clip

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    this puts me at a crossroads because i

  • 1:08:51

    don't feel like people who are this

  • 1:08:53

    menacing

  • 1:08:55

    should have their points shared

  • 1:08:58

    but i also don't think that y'all should

  • 1:09:00

    hear that type of

  • 1:09:02

    that type of malice

  • 1:09:05

    that type of evil

  • 1:09:06

    from me because i don't feel like i

  • 1:09:08

    possess that in me

  • 1:09:10

    so let me see if i find this here

  • 1:09:12

    right bong

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    bong

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    bong

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    and uh we have

  • 1:09:21

    bomb

  • 1:09:23

    um i gotta make it quick

  • 1:09:26

    for everybody out there that supported

  • 1:09:27

    me and really knows what's going on

  • 1:09:29

    thank you all

  • 1:09:31

    um let's not take that into a custody

  • 1:09:33

    battle i've been

  • 1:09:35

    going through um having my

  • 1:09:38

    ex-wife say i molested my children and

  • 1:09:42

    all kinds of craziness been fighting for

  • 1:09:44

    custody for three years

  • 1:09:46

    so uh yeah i'ma pause this and talk

  • 1:09:48

    through this show [ __ ] it's been real

  • 1:09:50

    crazy yes

  • 1:09:51

    hold up how do i pause all kinds of

  • 1:09:53

    craziness pause

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    stupid ass big fingers

  • 1:09:58

    many of us men have gone through custody

  • 1:10:00

    battles

  • 1:10:01

    to the men out there who don't know how

  • 1:10:03

    custody battles they'll go they get

  • 1:10:05

    really ugly

  • 1:10:07

    they get really ugly sometimes things

  • 1:10:09

    are said that are untrue

  • 1:10:11

    and they paint your character to be in a

  • 1:10:13

    way which it isn't isn't that's how

  • 1:10:16

    custody battles go

  • 1:10:18

    and i'm gonna talk through this fighting

  • 1:10:19

    for custody because he seems to be

  • 1:10:21

    justifying this type of evil and it's

  • 1:10:23

    disgusting

  • 1:10:24

    [ __ ] has been real crazy what's up

  • 1:10:26

    oliver you know about this guy's giving

  • 1:10:28

    a shout out um in the middle of my

  • 1:10:29

    ex-wife also

  • 1:10:31

    meet you know and start dating somebody

  • 1:10:33

    new okay

  • 1:10:35

    and she got pregnant

  • 1:10:37

    and um

  • 1:10:38

    you know we got in the fight first thing

  • 1:10:40

    she does it's threatening that she's

  • 1:10:41

    gonna do the same thing you're never

  • 1:10:43

    gonna see your kids blah blah blah

  • 1:10:45

    it's the holidays man i don't have no

  • 1:10:47

    family nothing

  • 1:10:49

    anyway i just did i'm gonna pause this

  • 1:10:52

    because though this individual is sick

  • 1:10:55

    he speaks to something that i'm sure is

  • 1:10:57

    prevalent in many of us out there

  • 1:11:00

    it's tough around the holidays yo

  • 1:11:03

    it's tough around the holidays

  • 1:11:05

    and we cannot account

  • 1:11:07

    for how tough everyone is in what

  • 1:11:09

    they're enduring and going through yo

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