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smoke break I'm going just come in the

house just walk away you got to start

smoking first yeah going on here I'm

going just smoke just so I could go get

some fancy [ __ ] you know just so I can

spray it in the air you started this

part with I'm going to get some money

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think you you doing a Pur joke my [ __ ]

oh man can I make a joke joke with us

can we make J joke with us then yeah we

could we could of course busy weekend

all right who want to start with the

jokes busy busy weekend how your tea

taste it's it's good pick it

up that [ __ ] shiny use the other hand

shiny Shin Shin Shin is that new is it

or is it no let him ask him to turn it

around got a new teacup no ask him to

turn it around so you can see it oh he

got a new teacup yo this guy he got a

Stanley

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there's um a label or a a logo on the

front of the cup you got that Stanley's

oh my God we out of here you don't want

to show us I didn't tell that to my

bootlegging We Didn't Start bootlegging

that that that's that ish Stanley is why

you being why you being humble for come

on turn it around let's see it what are

you doing I got a trick for y'all oh my

God is that is that all right with you I

like it

show [ __ ]

what wrong with your brain not a

businessman I'm a business man this is

stupid yo what kind of consultation that

come

with he still ain't did one consultation

why do you think that I've donez I

bought a hoodie I've done consult that's

why I was one of the first hund I ain't

get a call yet I I a't even I ain't even

get a text you wasn't I was you were not

I'm in there you're not look better

you're not look harder you're not there

I'm I'm waiting by my phone you're not

there I'm waiting to see I'm answering

unknown

numbers I'm answering no caller

IDs spam risk that might be itam

spamish I'm answering all them [ __ ]

you're wrong but it's cool hoodie look a

little sweatsuit look a little iph I

don't know what umph mean that it mean

that ain't that [ __ ] uh what's that

store I used to buy the socks from

Quinta what's that store what's the

store y'all know the store no this the

[ __ ] you said that ain't worth $150 a

come on I ain't every pod I say I'm not

I'm not feeding into their money talk at

the beginning of the pods but you you

make it hard who's they

you you're that yo you you're different

what up shout out to the listeners out

there I am bootlegging all of ises [ __ ]

oh I seen that too you seen my [ __ ] yeah

I seen the boot chopped the price that's

that's funny to you I chopped it down

hey that's that's funny to you what

Boolean yes it would be had to hit the

streets that's cool look that's how fou

he is he really think it's

me he really think it's me all right why

would I think that you don't got time

for cuz I would do that I mean that's

one reason oh

man would you judge me if I came in

wearing the Boule no all right cuz I

bought like seven colors I

believe why you don't joke back with us

what are you

talk what are you talking about add on

add on to the joke [ __ ] stop being

serious I I I ain't have nothing to say

to that one that wasn't that funny

something funny what's up man how y'all

doing how y'all feeling act like act

like I'm not even here act like I'm not

even here today what's up he don't like

that [ __ ] he still don't like I I know

he a like that I'mma feed into all the

DARS every night I don't care big Ma you

was out in Houston with the drunk

face damn he was out in Houston moving

around with the Tipsy face went to the

rodeo yeaw on it

let's do

it ride

it my pony yeah Chanel

pearls yeah my lightweight Chanel pearls

Scottish skirt of gain huh found a

Groove found a little Groove with that

Rowdy Piper

[ __ ] huh getting in your bag I got a

press day

today I know let me let y'all know Mel's

here on actress time she's got a hard

out she's not staying for patreon word

press

word the priest word and it's just suit

is

pressed we don't get the first interview

it's not that's crazy and we don't get

paid from whatever whatever budget your

movie has for the Press here when we

discuss we the interview have we learned

some tricks you I I'm part of a cast

this is it's way bigger than me supposed

to bring that check back here to split

it up yeah you're the marketing budget

remember like I did but you Cameo and

[ __ ] so forget it it's not even worth

it I'm going to I'm I'm going to be

honest I am not getting paid to do this

press I'm going to yeah I'm not that's

that's the thing it's like you have a

movie coming out we're giving you Free

Press not doing your Mo'Nique you ain't

doing your Mo'Nique Show I Hey listen I

am listen I'm happy to be a working

actress right now so God bless Mo'Nique

I am happy to be getting a check for

this film yes what well that was our

plan I mean come on they can't [ __ ] with

us that was the plan come back here do a

couple Paws Turn It Up Hit the small

screen big screen every screen big maou

I mean we only told them that was coming

they never listen they never listen to

the plan when it come to fruition yes

she's been

annoying yes there's been

tears but that's the [ __ ] plan [ __ ]

they talking about the means to [ __ ] is

they talking about wait wait fool son

what you what' you say means to an

end I didn't look at it like an N no not

that kind it's axy Mel leaving us or

ending Mel that's not I didn't think Mel

was ending her time with us

bit I thought Mel would just come back

here when she wasn't doing her movies

she juggling you know Legend in two

games multitasking like you [ __ ] three

three your your merch ain't a means to

an end why is a means to an end y'all

trying to end that's crazy wait wrong

with you I can't miss I can't miss two

pods with every time I miss two pods

everyone's got their escape

PL is trying to end that's crazy all

right don't worry I go do a Morning Show

somewhere that's not what it means me E

bro hey Hey we back Joe budy

Rosenberg and now it's time for your

quick

hits we're going to take some callers

here what's hot in the

news I'll do it I'll go join Angela ye

Mayo

what's up fck I talking about Parks want

to go do gift Christmas albums all year

what's up tell me tell me what's going

on what's up who y' leave what's nigg

always me to an end idiot yo title

people there it is right the opening

title be right there just to toss you a

little bit of

help just a little bit of help just a

little bit for the title people all

right uh got some

inso some jokes jury day let me see

what's going on I love the jury day it's

foggy too you can't see [ __ ] I do what I

ain't got to drive I love it too that

[ __ ] that traffic really whooped y

lastday yes oh I don't have any Ino

because Instagram's

down damn can't even lean on somebody

else for for for oh [ __ ] genius oh [ __ ]

I can lean on you my

man yeah shut up

[ __ ] that don't stop man man

the they don't what it's going to do did

you uh send a ceas and assist no it's

coming yeah had

lawyers all right uh let's have some fun

let's let's have let's have some fun on

a beautiful rainy day man why

not your

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butt new

M flip no

flip [ __ ] my

manp we love you a little bit of love at

the end I like no no that's our man

that's our guy man I thought he was

lying about being a little under the

weather but Ian says it's true so he's a

little sick you made him get a little

doctor's report yeah yeah yeah we got to

start doing that bring your doctor's

note in or or Forge it like real [ __ ]

used to but see when when [ __ ] went to

send him a picture of the traffic jam it

was a problem that's weird no it Ain

thank you it's not weird man thank you

I'd never like the D let's inform the

audience on where this where this comes

from y'all were driving then I'll

introduce the Pod the weather was crazy

and uh traffic was real real real bad

going into the Lincoln no one in New

York knows how to drive when it rains

yeah in the tri state area period and we

got mad cars we could tell so it was mad

traffic jam so a few of us were late

today so with a new

watch what should should keep time

pretty well I'm lost but okay you don't

know what the traffic is like before you

walk out your

house okay oh you checkan the radio

might tell you radio the news does it

every morning GPS of

yeah [ __ ] waves says it you check

your waves before you get in the car

yeah oh okay maybe maybe I'm weird is

get fun today I want get

F [ __ ] check their waves before they

get in the car yes why but do tell us

where the [ __ ] thing come from about

the traffic so this just wanted to send

a picture of cars that's

it I says yo in corporate you might send

your boss a picture of the car parks and

Joe are saying that's weird that's weird

I think that is the weirdest [ __ ] ever

to send a picture of a traffic jam to

your boss but you're right incorporate

they would yeah absolutely yo look I'm

not lying this time well here

don't got you don't send me a picture of

the traffic jam the little text when you

late to say I'm walking out the house I

don't care I don't no I'm just want to

see you get here when I just look to see

yeah I look forward twice a week to

coming here and seeing y'all I just want

to see

what episode is this 705 welcome to

episode

705 of the Joe Button podcast presented

by prize picks I your humble gracious

grateful and highly favorite host Joe

Button here with some really amazing

people today boy do we have an allar

lineup for you I literally big big

Melissa Ford is in the building come on

huh come on Shining Star huh come on big

big is yo if you win a award you're

gonna leave us what if you go to the

Oscars you going you going to leave I

promise you I will not end up with

Oscars from a lifetime movie or the

Oscar thank you for that vote of

confidence though at me but no

I'm I'm here wait don't short Change

yourself I can see you going to the

Oscars yeah maybe it's like somebody's

date damn damn yo come on I'm not right

now I'm not getting offered the Oscar

projects I guess this is not a

me yeah she'll be with

us maybe she's not leaving maybe don't

sell yourself short words have power

affirmation put that out there L I am

putting it out there that's why I'm

doing these projects now and it's going

to lead to bigger and better things but

I am very what the hell is the point of

hiring you if we can't say Oscar

nominated Melissa for is a part of our

cast at least the Emy a Golden Globe

right absolutely assap award a

Nickelodeon award B anything

I got you're right IH heart award I

wouldn't give a [ __ ] what it iSell

nobody can

fall

yo first of all rest in peace just rest

in peace just rest in peace justo but

yeah even a justo mix

it yeah no there you go big ises in the

building big is with the ish Cup going

wow merch man right here and matching

The Watch

pull pull your pull your wrist up a

little bit he won't he won't and he's a

Debbie Downer when we ask him to and try

to ask he would even show me in the

elevator over oh wow wow I what what you

would I was like yo let me see the watch

Yo No all right I show him in the

elevator's this guy's crazy I paused it

you think would you think he was going

to rob you yeah that's what I thought

they call him ice pick on love you just

don't know

anyway flip I saw that confession you

put out where Ian asked if you had any

nicknames and you said

lionart excuse me

H I want to let you [ __ ] know go in

that confessional and be honest

everybody got a confessional coming be

honest yo L lying [ __ ] getting there

and just Li you lying heart yeah [ __ ]

are you talking about you lying with

heart nobody Queens called you no

[ __ ] Lion Heart nobody know we called

for lion anyway big ice big freeze is in

building huh Elizabeth finest y know the

[ __ ] Vibes y'all know the [ __ ]

Vibes Big

Liz Big

Liz and last but certainly not least not

even last Parks is here man big parks

Ian is here Cory is here PO is here

ericon is here whole gang is here how's

everybody doing how y'all feeling how

was your weekend how's your energy give

it to me give it to me I'm feeling good

man I'm feeling good glad to be here

with y'all got some [ __ ] we can you know

shitty day I yall like that I do like

this [ __ ] I love I absolutely love these

types of days you even like driving in

the rain I am an earth sign I like

everything in the rain the rain is great

actually when it was 70° this weekend I

stayed in the house didn't I stayed

right in bed I looked outside I seen the

sun shin and I was like oh people are

out there just traffic more cars more

congestion more there more congestion

and traffic yo anytime it's 70° or

better I start saying build the no I was

outside I'm outside build build the wall

build build the wall in

Edgewater keep you [ __ ] out you keep

all them [ __ ] everybody everybody

everybody that don't live here everybody

that don't live here you better fix it

up I ain't fixing this m Asian [ __ ]

trying to get over here

no it's some blacks no it's some white

[ __ ] from [ __ ] uh Lower East Side

trying to get up no stay your ass over

there where

dingi

that sound bad don't say yes that sounds

really bad you don't say that does man

little bit I went to my brother's

father's funeral this weekend this early

in the morning rest in peace that's my

man it's my man it was great I went to a

funeral this begin too I went to kenetta

a what it's like a sweet 16 in the uh

Latin

Community ke but that's 15 yeah 15 yeah

but it's the same concept there like

apartments for you see my you see my

span that good my

SP that was good Kea whatever the [ __ ]

Park said you've never heard of that I'm

black

debatable it's not they are debating

your dog they are who who the [ __ ] are

they to debate to debate my ethnicity

the streets and I'm sure you've dated

enough uh Latinas to have poito poito

stupid day debate in

my yo stay out of spaces

yo well one why but that ain't you think

it's spaces that's debating my ethnicity

it's loosen up but I'm fine what are you

talking about dog L everything don't

have to be a SAT quiz when when we get

talk yes the streets of deba and

whatever your evence is it's not me I'm

your man I believe whatever you

say stupid uh I want to say that I love

black

funerals man give us more they never let

me down now I can't tell y'all more

because my mom made me swear under

oath

Joey do not go on your little podcast

that's the reputation I have in my

family now where to get that from

because we have such a great amazing

broadcast that we

do so they make sure to tell me when

it's like some family [ __ ] m Joey this

is off the Record Joey go on your little

show talking about nothing and don't say

my name my mom said that to me 30

minutes ago and I'mma listen to my

mama but I do want to say time out that

a black

funeral has never let me down you said

don't say my name she my mom said that

my mom said don't say my name on your

show in relation to no funeral nothing

[ __ ] keep my name out your mouth cuz I

found that my mom booked a

singer okay he's starting to reveal some

I found out that my mom booked I want I

don't want you get in trouble I didn't

know that when she was singing you I

didn't know when she was singing but my

mom booked the singer from my old church

that I was the lead singer in one time

uh from Monumental Church Jersey City

what song you sing what song did I sing

back then I don't know but I smashed

that [ __ ] that was before angel dust I

killed that I K the PPS yeah yeah I

killed that [ __ ] but uh she got up there

and think she was great she was

entertaining that's what I

got that's that's what I got for you she

went up there and

sang even the Pastor said everybody only

get two minutes to come up here and do

what you got to do but that did not work

she sang and

sang like she was at Vegas she sang like

she was opening for Diana Ross she black

funerals to do that though yeah she was

she wasn't like it was a funeral and it

was a cremation so it was the the thing

up there wasn't a body so listen when

she put the mic down and sung to the

chair she sung to her seat with no mic

just to the

church man I'm sitting there my

sh I'm sitting next

to next to

Charelle and and right behind my brother

his girl Charelle kicking me

but I couldn't hold it that'd be the

worst I couldn't control it that'd be

the worst you and somebody and y' and

they and they

Sil yeah where they understand what you

even though you they reading your mind

they reading your mind she said

Joey in them instances I got to keep my

eyes closed cuz if I if I catch eye

contact with that person it's over you

had you had the real dark hater blockers

yeah oh I needed some of those yeah for

sure I have needed some of those for

sure you didn't wi until wherever you

went fun I I ain't stay long oh that's

the other thing so many people in my

family don't know that when the choir

gets up for the last song After the

eulogy when it's outro time I'm

[Laughter]

leaving you got to get them last hugs in

bro I don't don't don't no no

no hold up your finger and you got to

lie y you don't remember me oh yeah

yeah yeah then it's all remember me oh

[ __ ] I ain't seen you 3040 I want to

know how wife you be

bored very boring stiff yo what do they

eat at after cucumber sandwiches little

sandwiches cucumber sandwich cucumber I

don't about cucumber sandwich but like

but let's stay there for a second yeah

stay there yeah we can cucumber

sandwiches with the crust cut off the

crust cut off yeah yeah they cut the

crust off but it usually

like allegations bro look at this full

face I don't believe what y'all are

telling me cucumber sandwich the

cucumber sandwich and they cut the crust

off the bread I never had that but I've

had the little [ __ ] beat the why do

you even know that what where y'all ew

it usually be tuna salad or little ham

little chicken salad sandwich Little

Triangle shits cuts are major black cuts

are major at White funerals but why

didn't why don't y'all just hit

update why don't you just update your

repass rules half for what they eat on

the norm [ __ ] cucumber

sandwiches yo you never going to beat

the allegation I'm halfway what do you

want from me the blacks died from

diabetes so at the repass it's only

fitting if we give you some more

diabetes way to

go Mand

ens Mand ens right there boy need some

more heart disease go ahead and take

this but the people at the funeral that

know me y'all they knew I was in the car

they knew I was in the car they knew I

was going around it's the other family

Joe ain't that just your high you still

[ __ ] I'm in hacking sack I'm in hackin

sack went right to paulers rainy day on

Saturday shout to paers and hackin Sack

salute salute salute not ad went over

there they love me over there made me

some fishing grits not off the menu come

on man come on man tip the guy a little

something something come on man it's

good to go where they love you that's

true true that is true I don't go where

they don't love me yeah I was at Melody

this weekend they love me over there he

love us over here had a blast in my 40s

I want to go where I destroyed [ __ ] in

my 30s facts exclusively yeah cuz then

they remember oh [ __ ] you back yeah

[ __ ] what's up what's up we in here

Melodies was good yeah it was lit it was

lit always had a good time I got to pop

up over there one to 10 yeah man huh one

to 10 what you mean one one to 10 we

were there during constant tens it's

hard to live up to that different time

when we was there cuz then they went and

got J promoters at Melody what oh it was

I don't think it was it was the same on

weend same

crew the m and the Dy one no don't be no

Ming on Jamaican night oh oh [ __ ] I

ain't been there I don't want to go to

that oh yeah n melody was known for yeah

I need them spin around yeah the hills

yeah yeah I need all that got to [ __ ]

girls that's trying to penetrate our

culture got to this what you give for

appropriate that's you laughing at that

man you think that funny I sure am uh

well yall want to start anywhere y'all

want to start I am totally cool with yo

I got a whole lot of flack this week for

saying that the girl rap wave is over

you didn't think that that was going to

happen I mean I don't think I don't

think about that stuff I don't think

when I'm talking I'm talking because I

mean it from the bottom of my heart and

my soul I'm not talking because I'm

about trying to hit a lick so if they

take it they take it but I do know that

the women topics and the blogs are women

Centric so I know that they grab those

if we ever say something about any girl

rapper they're going to try to take it

and go and some of these girls rappers

teams take it and go I think you meant

something different but I think you kind

of had to look into what you would

overall trying to say I think you're

specifically talking about the uh

Builder rapper yes syndrome no cu the N

the rap cies the people that really go I

was talking about the yeah but I'm not

talking about them who cares about them

I'm talking about the labels

interpretation of women rap and it and

it's not just about women R when I was

around when Nelly got popping all of La

you know IND the industry is

reactionary they run to St Louis and try

to find everybody dope when beans got

popping they ran to Philly so they ran

to the women and they did it I'm saying

now no and the bubble burst yeah that's

all I'm not saying there will still be

women rappers MH that's nice there will

still be all of your beers and doas and

Megs and cardies and lotos and glorilla

I love that new glorilla song I love

that glower song I love every remix ice

spice the people that snuck in lady

London the people that snuck in y'all

are there already mhm but I don't think

that the labels are actively out there

looking for the next big girl rapper the

next one and it's not just the women cuz

that's where y'all had me [ __ ] up our

conversation took off when I said that

about the women but I think much

worse like I try to come in here and

filter my thought I think much worse

about the music business I think all of

them are over it's down bad I think all

of your favorite artists are phito and

finished I don't think none of these

people are making any coin from the

music business I don't I agree with that

that's kind of what what I've been

saying why they find other avenues to

get their money I think it's much worse

than we letting on we don't even have no

way to get this type of information

because it's all at the tippy tippy

tippy tippy tippy top and we don't talk

to each other and it's Tech games and

it's Tech games they they gearing up for

whatever is to come and they're a lot

earlier than than I knew they've been

planting they've been planting for for

years like seeing the um the big

press Outlets bigging up certain types

and styles of music has been an

indicator to me where musicianship

performance like actually being good at

being a musician has been cast aside for

years and years and years but slowly

getting worse it's kind of opening the

door for AI everything

essentially so they've been building up

they are a lot earlier they started this

back half decade ago maybe a decade

ago than I could have ever imagined I'm

with you I think there's a focus on

streaming uh AI I think there's a focus

on just replacing you guys the artist

right yeah the artist they got uh I

think there's a focus on the world music

Latin and Country and all of whatever

their hot hot genre

is uh what else do I think I just think

rap is cast aside the 50 years of

hip-hop told me that mhm how much of the

pie there even is to distribute amongst

artists tell me that uh the way albums

don't drop anymore tells me that all of

you artists getting your money from

somewhere else tells me that last year

no number one hip-hop album for however

long tells me that the number ones that

came tells me that Travis Uzi Drake

there's only

seven there's seven

rappers that they focus on some because

y'all are talented and make make people

all the money in the world some because

too many people have their hand in your

pocket to let you fail

mm but everybody

else if you not getting it touring or if

you not getting it through other other

means M this music [ __ ] is a rap all of

your all I'm saying all of the musicians

are

Brook relatively relative relative to

what you bring in now I do think that

there is um plenty of ways to make money

as Independents low overhead it's not

expensive to make these albums you're

making them at home or wherever and

you're building a reasonable fan base

and you're selling physical and merch

there not everyone is broke broke but

it's terms of like the Superstar thing I

agree with you but like you said to what

you're bringing in what you getting and

my yeah my conversation not really about

it's not really about independent acts

yeah okay my my conversation is about

what's going on and the majors they

tricking y'all with the words in these

contracts they tricking y'all into

thinking that y'all are real Partners

they tricking y'all with the hey you own

your

stuff the the recent layoffs tell me

that mhm you don't see all these people

getting laid off they laid off like 40

right univ everywhere everywhere media

too everywhere everywhere yeah and look

and that and to me um based on what you

saying that went to our AR conversation

the second that we can have six people

instead of 60 mhm y'all gone mhm y'all

are expendable especially if we getting

anywhere near the same production that

we had or the same money and revenue

that we had when it was 60 y'all y'all

gone they're telling you it's not about

y it's about the tech what do you what

do you think the next step was from

streaming

Farms like from nter really I think I

think they kicking their in the ass

remember when they rolled out the rapper

like a couple years ago to rapper uhhuh

I think they kicking their self in the

ass cuz they rolled it out wrong M they

rolled it out disrespectfully to where

they had to shelf that [ __ ] remember

they had them in jail I rapper do I

think they rolled them out wrong I think

if they would have rolled them out in a

different Manner and the music was good

I think that [ __ ] would have took off

they just rolled him out in jail with

tattoos getting beat up by the cops and

all of that it was a bad um presentation

but that's going to be a problem with AI

and anything kind of algorithmic

computer generated is that they're going

to get did a lot of [ __ ] wrong mhm yeah

but I think that they had to shelf that

project because of the disrespect to the

community I think if they would have did

that different they would have been

expounding upon that for the last year

of course they

have they have they now have K-pop

American that's crazy

K-pop serious kop none of what I'm

saying is a joke or a game k a poop

K-pop was K-pop yeah

now it's American

K-pop but so is it Korean Americans yeah

like I'm confused all right let me help

you here we go I got something for you

Korean completely insane but did you

know that there exists a nce genre of

'90s R&B and hip-hop songs remade by

early 2000's UK pop

STS oh my

god oh [ __ ] turn this off my point is

how they could do that though

whoever owns the [ __ ] is selling it or

giving them no you could cover a song

without having to do anything you just

have to pay the royalt mechanical

royalties to the artist you don't have

to get permission to cover a song and

you can sell it you got to pay the

royalty though you got to pay the

royalty whatever you make from the song

the mechanical royalty which is set by

Congress a rate you got to pay that out

to the artist that set it's set by

somebody else third party by by Congress

it is statutory it is a

law oh so the the song gets mechanical

rate from every song Sold I don't know

how that exactly translate with

streaming but I'm sure it has something

to do with whatever 1500 equals stream

or whatever so you don't negotiate your

[ __ ] no I think it's really advantageous

for record labels to be able to

repurpose their entire catalog this

sweat yeah and I think that Tik Tok and

some other techy [ __ ] I think it's

actually a has shown record labels not

for humans

uh was that AI stuff that you were

playing or was that human being the were

some Koreans no no from London oh that's

a good thing people doing cover songs is

a good thing for the music

business it supports human songwriters

that wrote the songs it refreshes songs

like fast car with the country [ __ ] like

cover songs are a good thing to happen

in music I think it's actually been a

problem that it hasn't been happening in

the past 15 years is everyone's trying

to create something new whereas in the

past you leaned on some creative [ __ ]

from the

past and made [ __ ] they ain't even

changing nothing and what he played it's

a I mean like that's a c I know I'm just

it's like literally you could play in

the 50s or whatever you could play Frank

Sinatra and uh uh whoever the [ __ ] else

playing singing the same exact song in

the same exact way just by a different

artist it's not different I don't

necessarily love the cover idea I love I

love what you're saying but for that to

be great then the business needs to be

right initially and for for many artists

it is not also with the covers you run

the risk of Elvis and James Crocker or

who was that who was that to Elvis Joe

not Joe Cocker um yeah I'm I have a

brain freeze right now but you know what

I'm saying yeah yes I do um you run the

risk of

that what H what what happened with like

I'm not familiar with Elvis so what do

you mean he covered uh black songs

essentially and stole Black Culture is

the is what he's alluding to okay thank

you got

it covers is good for the songwriter

economy in in the event that their

business is anything resembling proper

business that was my question so my

question was y you wrote a song you

getting [ __ ] out your PB and now you

hear your [ __ ] in UK then reach number

one and you not getting your proper

bread now what you just [ __ ] yeah sounds

like it this is a mess for me this ties

into the Tik Tock versus universal thing

that I don't think most people are

paying close enough attention to like

for that big of a chest piece to move

what is it 75 80% of Music MH but has

there been oh Universal yeah Universal

I'm a quarter or something along those

lines quarter 30% mhm I thought it was

more can we check that I've looked it up

before last time we did this it was

somewhere around like 30 30ish it was

yeah but then they implemented the

second wave I guess whatever Universal

in talk thing is there were waves in

which these songs and artists were to

come off well they uh I think what the

newest development is is universal aside

from owning the recorded catalog also

owns publishing for a lot yes the

writers so not only did they pull their

recorded [ __ ] off you can't pull Taylor

Swift up there but anything that Taylor

Swift assuming she was assigned to U

Universal publishing now we're pulling

any covers off that fail so it's

artists and writers any any song that

one of ours wrote take it off of there

yeah and then univers veral announce

some type of subscription plan thing

yeah it's like a um it's like a music

library essentially where where you can

buy it you can you can monthly yeah a

license I think you can license the

license yeah it says here um that they

estimate that up to 80% of all relevant

music repertoire on Tik Tok will be

affected by umg oh relevant is relevant

yeah yeah

I never thought that they were just

going to pull the [ __ ] from Tik Tok and

not have an alternate

plan you mean Tik Tok didn't have no

Universal yeah like where you going to

put it have your own service or

something they have their own service

yeah now you if you want to go use

Taylor Swift or whoever the [ __ ] is on

universal if we own the music if we own

the music you come talk to us why am I

fighting with Tik Tok yeah about [ __ ]

that we own because [ __ ] is dancing

and playing Bops all right n buy license

it from us directly M and that's how

you'll be able to use it on Tik Tok is

only if you go to their Subscription

Service universals hypothetically

hypothetically hypothetically okay but

it's for everyone it's for people that

uh make pod you know for podcasts to use

it in their uh opening theme music or

there's a million uses for music

commercials TV whatever now you can go

to their database and search it for

whatever their subscription fee is or

per song does that get rid of the need

to you know pay royalties like let's

just say you know I want to use a song

from the 80s for intro music to

something to like a podcast and I

subscribe to Universal's you know

catalog so does that mean I bypass the

whole royalties completely depends

completely depends on the the license

agreement that you sign up for because

yeah I believe that's where artists got

a storm in the building

now hell yeah I would think so got a

storm in the building that sounds

terrifying CU now y'all could go and

negotiate like that mhm and bypassing

part I think the music business is doing

this [ __ ] like Benny is right in front

of your face right before your very eyes

and nobody has a clue I think all all I

think all of your favorite acts are

broke excluding the

10 yeah the top the top excl the that

top 1% yeah I think everybody else is

[ __ ] up all these [ __ ] is [ __ ] up

dog I was alive long enough to remember

when albums dropped yeah it wasn't that

long ago yeah even this new [ __ ] from

the last few years that ain't that ain't

the influx I'm used to of albums

dropping from artists making [ __ ] even

the new artist you don't get them a lot

no more with that these [ __ ] don't

even pop up and say yo got a new deal

remember papo's deal hey 5 million 10

million I'm talking about 20 years ago

but you don't even hear the new artist

pop out bragging about No Deal you don't

hear them pop out and complain about No

Deal they just run around like [ __ ]

pawns mhm playing the streaming game

yeah that's crazy [ __ ] is getting

[ __ ] so I say all that to say listen I

don't think it's just the girls I think

it's all of y'all and I think it's much

worse than I could even sit here and say

yeah they've been conditioning us slowly

slowly and surely mhm with the streaming

with the with even like I said autotune

it's kind of a joke but kind of not it's

making things uniform and reproducible

by any buddy or anything mhm it's a good

point scary it's like the whole yeah

they laying off [ __ ] that been at

these labels for 10 20 and 30 years

that's crazy not the other layoff [ __ ]

they laying off them whenever these

announcements come cuz they have to come

at some point M well maybe not it might

be ND you [ __ ] might be trying to keep

it low but it's me it's me and I know

some of y'all it been

quiet it been quiet and it's been quiet

for a reason mhm it's going to be bad it

is it's much worse how much time you

think it's much worse whatever I'm

saying and whatever y'all thinking out

there it is much much worse I was going

to ask like with all with the

assessments that you just said like

what's your forecast for like 5 years

from now what does it look like yeah I

was trying to like yeah these [ __ ] is

fish food I think three five what you

think before this is all up enjoy your

10 10 years no Enjoy the 10 artists that

they let you enjoy got got got got the

rest of this [ __ ] for the music lovers

like me got to go and fish yeah you got

to find it you really got to fish for

these songs that you like I watch y'all

every week with sleep you got to look

and search for people that's going

through it before the business hits or

run their business properly on an

independent level yeah cuz there is

validity it's not all doom and gloom you

can make a living but you got to really

get it out the mud for real for real for

real the little stimulus package ain't

coming no

more

and I don't know what's going on at our

Boutique labels also m

but if the boutique labels go that means

the creative people at all of these

labels go so you don't even have that

Benchmark you don't even you don't even

have that barrier of Entry

anymore like if you sign the CMG I

assume that Yo Gotti likes you a lot and

he likes your music uh we talking about

rest in peace Shakir Stewarts we talking

about the the people that that think of

these creative plans the people with

these ears the people that think of

these roll outs if the boutiques are

gone they are gone that's true and that

means it's just a couple white people at

the top of the top that never even had

their nose in your [ __ ] mhm is now a

part of your project and now it's just a

numbers game at that point that's it

facts the Artistry and the creativity

and all that [ __ ] cond it is over

matters but it don't matter to them up

top they look at it as we got a we got a

a blueprint like we got a check we going

to hit to get these

over it's a rap damn hey post that on

your blogs Joe Button

says bad times

ahead especially if you're not willing

to do the work I do want to emphasize

that there is plenty of people making a

living a good living doing it

independently but it's difficult it's

hard [ __ ] work yeah those are the

people that's going to be happy to get

$5 to go do a show those are the people

that's going to be actually grateful

it's like when I first started getting

like oh my God I get paid to do this m

those are the people the people that

love this [ __ ] yeah yeah bu is you're

just a [ __ ] creativity without business

is usually

victimization why people calling me of

course they call just a creativity

without business is usually

victimization yeah yeah and Business

Without creativity is a waste of [ __ ]

time word that's for real that's that

green that green suit interview

uh let's see no cuz he smoked that

interview Hard Times ahead man yeah I

wanted to come tell y'all that as y'all

was killing me for my girl rapper take

but it's all them [ __ ] it's everybody

yeah nobody's examp is there a

turnaround except for the 10 is there

something they can do like get it out

the mud build build your fan base

yourself don't rely on algorithms and

such exclusively utilize them but don't

rely on them exclusiv

like if you had a a independent or not

even independent just a new act walk in

and ask you hear the hear everything Jo

just said and said like yo what steps

could I take to possibly not get caught

up in that build a fan base of actual

humans that's what he's talking about

the work the work actually means like

being physically out there down and go

do some work yeah connect with

fans and home your [ __ ] yo some of these

[ __ ] is trash I'm not even a liot of

you they

trash a lot like but you get the right

producers to your point you get the

right producers you get the right makeup

you get the right clothes you get the

right looks the right Jew and now you a

star the package but yeah your talent

and who am I to say they not talented

but coming from 30 40 Years of listening

to music that [ __ ] ain't

it so that's what I thought you were

leaning to when you said that about the

um the cuz again it's it's girls that

out get busy out here but a lot of them

don't a lot of them don't and they

making money listen for every girl

that's out there lit I can give you

three of them that fell by the wayside

mhm it's just quiet and those three had

the rappid boyfriend too they tried to

come up with the stimulus

package serious yeah you

right moving on I a trying to make

nobody

say it's just crazy to hear what yall

think I stopped cuz I just couldn't rap

no more wa the [ __ ] nasty this [ __ ] was

scary from the jump why you think I've

been sitting here for years saying I

don't want this to even be a music

podcast this can't be relying on music

no more music is not in a steady enough

place for you to try to build your

business off of the back of please it's

over for that [ __ ] you better be

interesting you better be compelling

yeah well a lot of this [ __ ] that we're

talking about applies to podcast too not

for nothing oh for sure know it's all of

that [ __ ] it's everything in everybody

I've been saying podcasting is in a

dangerous place it is you [ __ ] is

failing music is in a dangerous place it

is you [ __ ] is broke it's [ __ ] up it

is and it just don't seem like nobody

doing enough talking to try to get to

the bottom of it and I'm just looking

around watching and I'm telling you that

it's spilling over into the economy at

all sectors bro it ain't just music it

ain't just entertainment that [ __ ] is

it's getting bad out here in every facet

of the economy it is getting [ __ ] up

out here bro [ __ ] Ain't Going to these

big Mega remember like it was like work

centers like um we work and all that no

like big corporate

complexes bro they staying home oh so

the owners of those complexes getting

their asses with oh yeah commercial real

estate they get their asses kicked bro

like it's different out here that was we

works man we no we get a

building office talking SC going big

companies yo I'm talking about like

let's say

like that's one of the big commercial

real estate agencies like they like 30

40% of their inventory in the city is

like empty yeah but don't still that was

it's just point no say say say sh or

Paul M or Dove or you know what I mean a

company that might have had 3,000

workers in one central location M half

of them are home so now we don't need

this big ass office space no more we

could chop down our size of to save

money and overhead you got got these

people working from home now you going

to have all this empty real estate just

sitting strip malls and all that [ __ ]

just going to be sitting because JC

Penney is gone Sears is gone Kmart is

gone I just I drove by my old JZ Penny

the other day I drove by new for Mom I

see my JC Penney sitting there somebody

told me that [ __ ] was expensive [ __ ]

Livingston Mall is finished yeah it's a

wpp in there that was a staple in our

childhood Livingston Mall is finished

they done G [ __ ] I just went to Best bu

Saturday pulled up to go in there 2:00

in the afternoon the um shutters is down

yo this store's closed as of um February

29th they closed a bunch of Sam ashes

I'm like Best Buy clothing stores [ __ ]

[ __ ] with y'all talking about I'm eating

one meal a

day this [ __ ] I ain't got to go I

ain't got to go with to and

cbcr I'm eating one meal a day timing

that [ __ ]

3:30 that's my choice my [ __ ] no it ain't

it's not really by choice you're not

eating 1 mil a day by choice it's not

really by choice it's not really you

tightening the belt it's not really by

choice it's just the more you learn the

more you learn about food the more you

learn about the Imports the more you

learn about what they're trying to do

with the supermarkets the more you learn

about your favorite restaurants the more

you just learn the more you learn about

your health it's like

oh like the more you learn they trying

to kill us yeah MH in everything or not

necessarily kill you not even

necessarily kill you just make money off

you yeah so we'll make you sick so that

we can give you the medicine exactly so

we making money from you eating the

[ __ ] and we making money from us you

TR us trying to quote unquote heal you

heal you yeah but you're never healed no

just make you live with it mhm that's it

I'm I'm eating Like Bugs Bunny [ __ ] I

never I never read so many different

salads in my life salads got

Mediterranean they got every a

wedge

chicken they some [ __ ] with walnuts and

some other [ __ ] Ines they throwing

everything in the salad

now they know we trying to live they

trying to put all that shest in your no

[ __ ] and that little dusty ass salad be

$40 you try to eat healthy is $40 you

try to eat some [ __ ] $7.99 mm it's

crazy y' I'm telling you they I knew he

was [ __ ] up and was no more dollar

minion man that's what you know it was

over okay I I I didn't know that that

was the signal that's the barometer that

was the barom yeah [ __ ] you can't even

get a nothing for a dollar no more it's

over it's a

rap yo dog it what we not supposed to

eat the dollar sh yo the dollar [ __ ] is

the [ __ ] I'm saying that but even

the [ __ ] don't got expensive now was

my point yo

damn I don't [ __ ] with that that's I was

a little bougie for the dollar man you I

ain't going to hold you I was never that

guy man I don't even go nowhere no more

where I can see a dog they don't have

them it's the point you can't you can't

go nowhere and find a dollar menu is a

$2

menu

no oh I don't know that's you heard the

[ __ ] Wendy's talking about doing just

Wendy's Wendy said they going they

thinking about you know how Uber got

surge pricing well they thinking about

surge pricing raising the price of the

burgers at times when the restaurant is

busier really that's crazy no [ __ ]

got you that's crazy yo imagine that

though you pull up oh yo Yoo I know

whatever you get is normally this price

but because it's busy right now it's

that price that's crazy that's crazy yo

minimum wage and fast food went up is or

they working on it $20 it's 40 Grand a

year my [ __ ] for that ain't

bad I don't want to depress the audio

no we went down a dark path it's the fog

it's [ __ ] up out here [ __ ] it's the

fog the more the more you know the more

means to an end means to an end man

listen means to an end disgusting it

look like he got mail last day on the

calendar this this summer he look like

he got that [ __ ] circled yeah what are

you oh yeah to means to an end no it's

just a side gig I wasn't even saying it

like that you [ __ ] a fool son we

coming to the premiere too huh we coming

to the premere he said they coming to

the premiere what Premiere I thought you

guys were having a premiere for me here

we're going to Calgary where where where

[ __ ] is showing oh [ __ ] we go to Calgary

as a squad a movie not going to play I

would love that a movie not going to

play in New York you going to Canada

film right I'm going to Canada stick

what's the stick the fire

stick it's a fire stick

debut we got to be more supportive look

at this couch laughing away I want to

support who who said the

joke yes we'll be there we'll be there

okay good dress to actually no they got

no [ __ ] that they got to cut us a check

they want this ain't this ain't your

cameo gigs this ain't that they got to

cut us a check show up as a squad

sorry sorry we show up like Bon it ain't

going to

be bionic 6 Pro bonot

Tron on the arm Tron bionic 600,000 yeah

that's taking time away from my

son taking time away from my family come

on is don't tell it to me and not tell

it to

them I'm we got to get an outfit we got

iron nah time away from our girls our

love flights

oh I mean you don't know that that yeah

first class flights we could like since

we're going to bring everybody we should

just get like a bus a

what yeah means what else we got never

what else we got up here anything

anything in music uh oh gosh I say all

that [ __ ] but I am really hyped about

the real or fake future Metro booming

date that was released which is May 10th

5 days after CCO de Mayo I might push

CCO de your

back I might push it back to May 10th I

ain't going to hold you it does seem

like it's time for a future project they

was supp drop last year they were

teasing it so yeah I'm ready I don't

care when it Dro this is the one I

wanted him and Metro I might go to strip

club with a

tent When Future drop I listen that's

the one I'm waiting for he is one of

them ones he is one of the 10 he is and

it ain't just we don't know if the date

is real or fake but I believe it I

believe the date because I know they've

been working I know they've been teasing

and they feel confident enough to play

Snippets at a club and boy that snippet

sounds fire fam he dropping right before

the summer it was it was one that means

that they got a record that they want

two months to just pop up at clubs and

play real quick that mean they got one

they feel like that

about oh they give us the one for the

the song of the summer yeah yeah song of

the summer is a myth might not be they

might bring it back future can bring it

back he could future can bring it back

song of the summer is a [ __ ] myth

it's a sales pitch we a had a song of

the summer since Co I miss

man I miss quarantine man that [ __ ] was

all right now they hold you quarantine

was L I had a blast the blasti of blast

facts now they got the nerve to put out

all this verbi talking about yo if Co

come it's cool y'all can go out

yeah they said yo if you get Co don't

worry about it yeah you good you good

treat it like a cult uh you good yeah

don't stay your ass home from work

yeah then I went down that other rabbit

hole on YouTube or Tik Tok with [ __ ]

pulling out the white blood clot the

white the white [ __ ] from [ __ ] UHA

after they yeah yeah yeah what white

blood clots they pulling out these long

ass white blood clots out of

folks that's disgusting no it's the they

say don't do that this is responsible

broadcast that's an assumption and

you're not a doctor right we don't know

what it is that's correct God and they

don't know what it is that [ __ ] was

crazy but it should not be in your in

your body yeah I'm talking about like

yeah it was it was nasty yeah I drunk

some

Drano get that [ __ ] we got to

clear I went to that Walmart four times

maybe Trump was right about that

I was about say your man Trump was on to

something oh my God uh if that Future

album drops I'm excited about it I'm

sure y all are excited about it that

snippet sounds absolutely fire and I

cannot wait I cannot wait anything else

uh in music Chris Brown Put the toy

dates

out you know I'm excited um he got Arya

star and money long on tour with him

okay a bad right there no that's amazing

mhm and um it's through the

summer starting inico theti country La

yeah okay whole country you good H you

good yeah why yeah it's the [ __ ]

entire country wrong with you we talking

about Chris Brown thought he was doing

spot dates we talking about yeah this a

cucumber sandwich time AR Arenas yeah

clarification tour Mama making sure the

whole country just in

case had the same question just a West

Coast tour they know when it's him they

know they know when it's him they know

he ain't coming out if I ain't booked yo

watch yourself cuz you don't talk about

Sam Smith like that watch your M you

don't talk about you don't talk about

the great whites like that uh but yeah

but yeah the whole country yep I already

pick my dates I'll be in there I'm still

deciding whether or not I want to pop up

at the Nikki tour I I kind it looks lit

yeah it do all right she looks fantastic

she looks great sounds

amazing I mean I'm giving props what

props are do she looks

amazing

I'm with

you crowd right all there and all pink

doing they thing like that [ __ ] look fun

you g wear all pink you GNA wear pink no

I would not wear

pink blue you can come up with some fly

pink [ __ ] this man fly pink about I'm a

pink guy I'm not off that idea I didn't

think of it I'm not going I don't even

know if I'm going though but I think I'm

going hit one that might not be bad and

my girl loves Nikki you go you go to

spend 10 grand on some pink [ __ ] come in

there looking like something or a few

hundred dollars

saving money budget cuts we just talked

about the world is bad [ __ ] is [ __ ] up

budget cuts budget I ain't playing I

don't know why y think I'm playing [ __ ]

I am not playing all right let me ask

budget cuts when that

started uh this

year what when me and you got done with

dinner budget cuts last week when me and

you got done with dinner last week it

started got you last week yeah all right

what I was about to say I I was a little

confused it's all right though it's cool

yeah but no I'm want it like that as

well you should be yeah I I'm not mad

fan salute we grown-ups us Usha was in B

with Russell Simmons not yet no not yet

I'm waiting for ice to tell us I'm

waiting for ice and parks to tell me

about Drake and for bats that's Parks

bag right there how you going to put

that on Parks [ __ ] know but don't do

that but don't put it on Parks Drake's

putting out a remix to this artist for

bats who's and we knew that already

right yeah it's onum we assume but now

he's [ __ ] pushing it promoting it

promoting yeah this forbat kid seems to

have popped out of nowhere with a

bazillion followers and uh how many

monthly streams there 10 million I think

on Spotify how many songs he got three

songs two minutes each and they're dope

songs they're very dope songs wa okay

had okay goad ask ask no ask your

question please am I right to be this

confused like how where do you just pop

up with like three songs 2 minutes each

and now you've got like you 10 10 mli 10

million followers I don't I'm confused

as well well okay but the songs are

slaps so maybe it's just one of those

things where he was popping somewhere

else and we didn't know but just organic

it seems strange and the internet puts

you know and then you get the Drake

feature there you go there you go it

seems like could be that keep talk I'm

just playing this as a music B yeah it

could be hard who this [ __ ] is hard I

think anybody that heard this song kind

of picture Drake on it yeah I'm sure

when he heard it he pictured himself on

it like he has with never mind

and this was like all over Tik Tok like

this was used all was yeah I'm not

surprised that's how it it seems Tik

Tock Tik Tock soundtrack that's where I

heard it first okay to me did you have

to share that I mean we assume you to be

more hip-hop than that I was you be

trying to dead your hip-hop G it's all

over it's all over Tik Tac that's where

I face that's I'm

old this is hard all three of the songs

is hard they're all similar to that

oh again Drake should smoke this he's

going to smoke that he's going to smoke

it he should smoke this going to lose

his mind on that [ __ ] right there it's

going to go crazy what's the problem

though I'm seeing people complain about

Drake doing this well you you know the

story of him jumping on waves that's

what people are probably complaining

about I don't mind cuz usually the wave

jumping be fire like the McAn and fetty

and you know all the people that he

grabbed their first single all the

people that died and lost their

career no one died

musically musically so if I give you the

look you just sat here and told us that

everybody should build build their own

you're right you're right and That's

Where It's Tricky right because this

would help you build your own that's

what I'm saying I was about to say you

give a person a look it's up to what

they do with it after that but it also

can work the other way it can I don't

want to be the bad guy for saying I

think we've seen enough examples out

there of that like we said molan but I

think that's a great example uh [ __ ]

fetty I'm not going to put all the way

on Drake but some of that was on Drake

how I I I don't put that on I know I

know I don't understand we disagree

there yeah we disagree there gotcha but

I would have liked to see my way with a

proper

video with just with 300 pushing it the

way that they pushed everything else

that flew without him I love Drake

version I do too but if I'm an artist is

all I'm saying we've had this talk so I

don't get but if I'm an artist I think

about it just a little more than hey let

me put the one of the biggest rappers in

the world on my slap but just real quick

and like you said we did have to talk

not many people could name the other

fetty videos it wasn't about the videos

he had slaps you didn't need the video

that it wasn't like the video made the

record I don't like that because some of

those songs just took off because of the

Run he was on my way was a

single trap Queen took off organically

SoundCloud error I'm just saying

SoundCloud ER is over and it was over it

was but I'm just saying didn't need a

video like I don't think he needed Drake

on the video having him do that and what

I didn't wait wait wait when I say video

I wasn't talking about Drake doing a

video you talking about them doing a

video and pushing that song Yes like

it's his that's

it now fetty had fetty [ __ ] going

who says that that would have made any

difference but uh if I sit here I could

think of the rest I could think of the

other artist that it didn't bold well

for and I don't know much I think it

hurts for that to happen so early that's

that's what I think it can I'm not mad

at the

move but nobody knows who this kid is

and you're not going to know who he is

when the biggest biggest rapper in the

world jumps on your [ __ ] the song is

going to overpower whoever you are and

then Drake is going to leave and go on

about his business and then you going to

be tasked with introducing yourself to

people everybody is not young blue where

he was able to have a couple joints in

the stash after the Drake feature to

continue momentum but even after that

project it's dwindled down for young

blue now with this with this kid with

four four bats is it BS four bats uh the

other songs sound good too but yist so I

think there is a a realistic scenario in

which he has a bunch of [ __ ] that sounds

dope yeah but they all 90 seconds they

are they all two minutes and they all

kind of sound similarish and they all in

the same but if y'all saying the kid got

a buzz already pre

Drake I'm not sure if it I don't know if

the 10 million subscribers came after

Drake posted the Instagram post or oh

wait that's part of my earlier rant

don't believe no numbers word yeah now

that I'm with you want don't believe any

number that you see or that you hear

it's all a lie facts every last number

is alive that's a fact yeah somebody put

it there mhm they

did and the chains but I

still nah now you cooking now you

cooking now yeah don't believe the

chains do not believe don't believe the

bracelets n all of that [ __ ] the same

way the girls got the uh the kit the kit

they the guys have a kit they do they've

been had the kit they always had the K

always had a kit y' get some hate off

you I'm not I'm not like from doing

[ __ ] music videos there was a kit

back then there was money back then I

know but there was still a [ __ ] no

hold on one second there there was a kit

back then because Napster came along

drained the [ __ ] music industry of

all its [ __ ] money so $500,000

budgets went down to $50,000 budgets but

how do you create how do you continue

with that package look but you don't

have the budget for it right you know

what I'm saying I had to get Super

Creative so what you

Sho string budgets excuse me you had to

low I didn't have to do a [ __ ]

thing I checked I did I took the exit

ramp cuz by that time I was a television

broadcaster she black got you she shut

the f yeah and you doing all I was

asking a a genuine question you doing

all the neck went bad she I didn't have

to do nothing she had she wrote a book

what you do a child good

night it's always want to shoot you I

love you that's not what I did I love

you that's not what I did you be

shooting

too yeah you

did who you think shoot more me I knew

that was coming I know it was coming too

you thank you for being honest you like

him I like you too

though [ __ ] that

light um I'm happy for the four bats uh

young man and I do want to hear I do

want to hear the Drake song I hope they

make it longer than two minutes I just

want it to be longer yeah and one song

is not enough to introduce yourself to

the world though why it ain't oh

hello I'm sitting here he came to get it

on I'm still getting it

on I mean you I came to get it on they

got my water right

off hey

hey got

that oh my God I came to get it on for

three months a couple months I was able

to

you got on get on get on

now did they offer you a kit

no but that's why my career that's why

that's one of the reasons my career

start I wasn't in the kit I wasn't in

the kit box okay I wasn't in the coming

with a cosign stamp a marketing budget

or any real budget you want to sit here

and talk about give me 10 minutes we and

[ __ ] together yeah they wer trying to I

had one little album anytime they sent

me to see a producer with a name they

thought they did me a solid solid and I

guess they did for what they was

charging back then but that's not how

the game is to be played I played it

wrong the whole time thank God for

podcast could you [ __ ] imagine that's

good bro accountability the other day I

thought about just what life would be

like if I was just sitting in the house

writing Rhymes still today trying to put

something catch you have pivoted by now

not catch one but just make a living you

have pivoted by now that catch one phase

is over all right all the [ __ ] that we

are used to is over a no catch one

they'll pick the one that they want to

go and when they want it to be off it'll

be over yeah you just got to try to make

a living for yourself is the day of

organic

over I won't say that because

I'm I search I search I search so it can

something can still happen organically

but the chances the likelihood the

probability of that is but that been

over for a while when they was trying to

make [ __ ] look organic that wasn't

organic yeah yeah they was doing

that I'm on some [ __ ] the label [ __ ]

today I don't care don't go don't go

calling

my don't go calling my phone don't send

me no [ __ ] text actually most these

[ __ ] been hitting me all week long

actually for real yeah a lot of them hit

me to say some of what I'm saying yo I

see what you was doing with the girl rap

but I take it a step further it's rap

it's all of it that's what most of them

said I think and that's what I meant to

say but the conversation just took off I

watched something where they're talking

about Billboard hits and the percentages

by the genre and Hip-Hop went from like

close to 50 to like 20 something and how

long in the last three years four years

that the clip I was watching was from uh

2020 on now let me ask both of you even

wait hold up real quick cuz cuz I forget

even when Meek right like Meek has been

in the press all week maybe two weeks

now yeah uh I think they said he saw

sold

30,000 okay something like that which to

me is a respectable number that's

especially for but that is the number

you get when they cut your lights

out yeah that's back to my Usher point

about performing in front of all of

those eyes and getting 90 back Meek is

still Meek like do people forget that

Meek he does make good music for more

than 30,000

people it sounds good he didn't forget

how to rap He didn't forget how to pick

a beat mhm he didn't forget how to pick

a hot rapper well the problem again is

that it's not 30,000 people that's

probably 3,000 30 million people and

it's [ __ ] busted down because the way

they turn 1500 streams to two one

purch well I don't know cuz I ain't in

this business but if somebody ain't

walking your hand through the the

streaming Staples M streaming Staples I

mean Staples the store but streaming cuz

that sounded funny yeah somebody ain't

walking your hand back there and and

doing all the little tricks and if you

[ __ ] ain't buying your number one from

the record label and letting the label

share in the number one and doing they

bundo package allp it's over man it's

over it's over that's all it look Meek's

still fighting y'all think Big Sean

forgot to make music no what a lot

what's happening with a lot of them cats

is the same thing that happened with

Meek I'm realizing excuse me that my

business wasn't where it needed to be so

I can't drop right now until I figure

out how to get this right Meek got his

independence that's why he's able to

drop he just said yo I got album coming

in a couple weeks M because now I'm free

to do what I want to do he said a lot

more than that he said a lot more than

that but I'm with you he said yo I seen

what they making off me yeah that's

where it started from y news flash

that's where it normally starts from

that's where it started from with me I'm

hearing Meek say it I've heard countless

others say it once you find out just how

much you are

generating your little show money and

your little check that they gave you and

your little your chain I S iy I see all

y'all

chains put them [ __ ] away put them away

it's over it's over I'm looking at the

chains that's the package we spoke about

earlier right I'm looking at it I'm

looking at I remember the chains I went

and

bought I see the chains they selling

it's over here it's

over I think that um once you see

let's say they made 300 million M and

you might have got 800,000 of that you

start being like man I could go make

800,000 on my own and I think that's

where that independent mindset starts to

come from like dog I might as well shoot

shoot my shot to see right if I land and

make 500,000 cool you if I make 350 cool

these [ __ ] made XYZ amount of money

off me that [ __ ] is insane and I think

the other part comes from once you find

that number and then you go talk to the

label and they like yeah get the [ __ ]

out of here like it's the disrespect

that comes with that like hold up yo

y'all made how much off of me all of

this time all right let's rework this

now let's now that I know and they like

yeah [ __ ] know because it doesn't

benefit y got the nerve to talk about

some [ __ ] hip hop

50 man [ __ ] hip hop

50 how many of you [ __ ] is in the 5

million in up Club the 10 million up 15

20 25 30 million in up Club rappers yeah

[ __ ] five oh a lot at 30 million [ __ ]

30 is the all the way the bathroom down

the hole let's bring it back

10 yo that's

crazy there's not many rappers that are

10 million I would I would I would

believe that yeah that's nuts there's

not many but should it shouldn't

be not when the revenue that's being

generated from my art and from my brain

and from my creativity that but like I

said we so happy we so happy we come

from where we come from so if you give

me 500,000 for the year I'm happy and I

got some some IG baddies that know who I

am I got a car I got a chain I'm famous

and Y yeah my mom is good you give me

750,000 I'm cool yeah [ __ ] for a lot of

[ __ ] out there you give me to

150,000 and I'm

cool labels ain't offer you I think we

talked about it um when homeboy uh the

dude Cesar from black Inc started

talking about what they got made off of

them he said he was $1.2 billion doll

got made off of black Inc 10 season yeah

the um the franchise was extremely

lucrative but they they own

zero

zero but that's reality tv as well you

sign your [ __ ] life away for like a

minuscule amount of money because the

fame is the is the draw yeah them ad and

marketing budgets everywhere is a lot

bigger than your favorite rappers

budget so you do the sence on that one

like V like Vince Vince Staples told us

before they pay you with the look M

that's true and a lot of [ __ ] will

take the look long talk with Vince he

was one of my calls sh to Vince he was

one of my calls this week

Vince it's bad talking to Vince

T I bet it is it's not good N I can

believe it and the way his brain work

he'll put you he be like oh I never need

about I need to go do a expose with that

[ __ ] well he remind me of me but he's

still in it he in it still so he is

actively having never mind meetings and

yeah and coming in his own realizations

it's bad all the people I know in the

music business that are reaching out to

me it's

bad

M it looks and it's such as me observing

it looks equally bad in the in the movie

business well that's not my bag but I'm

just saying I said but observation not

shocking yeah the movies be trash well

they just literally like had like a

seismic activity happened with the

strikes so it's going to take a second

to kind of ground the industry again but

I mean like that but that changed

everything you might be right you know

you might be right in terms of how

actors I just seen Daniel D lewi say he

don't want to do no movies anymore cuz

it's all [ __ ] up he's been saying that

for like a couple years the last movie

that he did he was like this is my last

one cuz like and he's a great great he's

a great you know what I'm saying so yeah

I I I just I see entertainment they got

you yeah what I really think man is um I

think Co played a big part in that they

started to realize that they didn't need

none of y'all to make this money yes MH

so now it's oh [ __ ] we made a shitload

of money why none of y'all could work or

do anything let's find a way to cut

y'all all the way out yep yeah but I

told these [ __ ] when the actors did it

y'all needed to do it mhm I said it I've

been saying it before the actors did it

but if the actors are saying yo

streaming and AI is going to end us y

then what make y'all think y'all exempt

but the difference is that there's a

union with actors and writers and stuff

there's a union union too we just don't

use it to empower well that's what I'm

saying is like the fact that very few

people really know that says a lot about

how you know I close

with they will look to

empower none of

you unless you force their hand one of

you you can force to force the hand all

you want said I'm said they let you run

a checkup but they never give you

leverage they will pay

you and you y'all will take it because

we come from where we come from that's

right MH but they will never Empower you

and y'all damn sure don't look to be

trying to empower yourselves that's what

I was saying is unification is the

strength and numbers kind of

thing thank you when do you

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