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mic check mic check mic check check check check mic check check check glad Andrew war is best for this

no all right so I got a pocket baby how we start this off how do we start this off CU usually we start it off

Charlamagne the god Andrew Schultz the brilliant idiots how do y'all start off y'all podcast way better than that [ __ ]

y'all just did first of all first of all first of all I come off from the riv hey say

excitement it's energy y'all just you know it's Just Energy I just start I'll name my I'll name this podcast later

whatever number it is we make a number epode number it is because we never remember that's Rory and Joe Buton can we hear me yeah it's weird without

headphones I can't myself but we can hear you they're trying to show us their radio professionals and [ __ ] we're here

to have a a a positive dialogue a productive dialogue uh I listen to what's it called I'll name this podcast

later don't do

that [ __ ] again your ass being

shady podc name again I'm listen to it and I think it's a good podcast the

reason I think it's a good podcast because good podcast a podcast that you hear and as you're listening you're

talking back to the people as they're talking sure I agree a lot of times my name comes up in it and I'd be like

that's wrong that's wrong that's inaccurate that's inaccurate so it's good to be able to sit here and have a

conversation Mutual that way I'm kind of accurate in a lot of my [ __ ] know the [ __ ] you don't be I am but I'm kind of

accurate well that's why the context of this conversation I came up here to really check your ass but then so much

happened okay I don't have to check anybody I'm just right now now I'm just right okay all you media [ __ ] Joe

Button crazy jabing it the air bunch of bars who's he dissing why what the [ __ ]

not so crazy no but Buton you're a smart guy crazy no more you're a smart guy so you have to we that first absolutely

without question you're a SM wait what are we acknowledging that that it worked your no no not that not that that when

remember when we did the brilliant days podcast live yeah we had just heard we was in the car together yeah heard the song the six minute dis making of a

murderer comes out we're listening we're listening we're listening after 3 four minutes I go what the [ __ ] is button

talking about because there was no context to it I'm not mad at that so when I got on the stage I said that was

the most pointless disc record I ever heard I didn't say it was whack cuz it's you're not whack said it was whack I don't care I didn't say that though no I

I actually said Joe Buton is one of the dopest Lyricist out I wasn't mad at that but that was one of the most pointless

disc records I ever [ __ ] I wasn't mad at that my memory is bad but you said so much [ __ ] on the radio on on

the morning show during this whole [ __ ] no I didn't first time we talked about it was yesterday nobody cared until Drake responded that's not true that's

not true not we didn't I heard I heard a lot of people and I can't confirm that just cuz my memory is bad but this [ __ ]

said a whole bunch of [ __ ] that I don't remember but that's not important that's not the first time we ever spoke about it was yesterday because Dr responded so

the only thing I'm so the only thing I saw from you was the uh at the auditorium absolutely oh I didn't mind

that too much oh then I got a bunch of reasons to be mad at you just it's just boiled over anger so I said I told Envy

yesterday because mvy was like I'm about to play the no shopping I said you never played none of buttons dis records buttons dis records right and he goes

yeah because they're not really diss records they're bars and then we got into the conversation of Joe Button to

me is a better Lyricist than Drake but Drake writes better songs how do we know that and history is shown that Joe stop

it my perspective perspective I'm here to talk to you about yeah we can talk writ better music Drake is a [ __ ]

concept okay he's an idea it's the best people in the world the best writers in

the world the best everything in the world we're not going to debate whose music is better I think Drake's music is better okay you hear that uh all you Joe

fans on Twitter Who coming at me I can like I said something crazy think Jo fans would agree too no okay no they

they don't they think they think they're delusion well no it's two different I've noticed that Drake fans

are much more delusional than and before this whole thing happen [ __ ] man

before this thing happened I would have said yeah no I clown Joe fans a lot I would have said they are way crazier

than Drake fan ever I have noticed that Drake fans are the most delusional people as far as what though this entire

case has been Joe is irrelevant Joe is irrelevant Joe is irrelevant which I am kind of irrelevant well when something

is trending and it gets a m million views how on Earth is that irrelevant and don't say because it's Drake's name

because if I go out there and diss Drake I'm not getting a million plays it's because Drake's on Saturday Night Live

hosting and doing sketches and all there's no exactly there's no rapper

that would that would go at him that's from this new era and a lot of them from the old era who would be considered

quote unquote relevant this is my problem with your now commercially made over ass I can't wait to hear this cuz I

have a problem with you saying that but go ahead how you're not the same Charlamagne from SU North Carolina you

were so hip hop you were so hipop I don't know what happened corner I don't know what happened tell the population

8,000 this is the problem this is dirt roads just to clarify I just want to clarify what the

roads are made out of dir this is the problem I this is the problem I have with what Joe said last week on the podcast Joe has said on the podcast he

thinks I'm smart he thinks I'm good for radio I say that all time soon as I have an opinion that he doesn't agree with he

does what everybody else does and flip shag's dumb uh charag doesn't know hip hop of all

Charlamagne sucks Drake dick that's not true first of all you said I sucked his dick I haven't agreed with you in years

okay it's not as of late part of the reason that I enjoy you so much okay is because I'm able to disagree with you

I'm able to you're you're you articulate yourself well I I like people that I can disagree with but they have a point I

don't care that we disagree I care that the man that I met was so hip-hop so oh

I'm still hip-hop I'm just not stuck in the 90s I'm not standing on the corner with denim jean shorts and construction Tims

talking about bring it back okay here's the thing I understand you think I'm doing that was narrative at all wait all

right let me hear elaborate let me hear Let me hear AB absolutely because your I

your issue with Drake is based on what there's so many now there's so many now

when this started when this started and first of all I'm well documented okay let's talk about the podcast when you

first initially that's what we are going to talk about I'm going give you no I'm we'll take it back further than that okay huge Drake

fan me I know that me I'm not okay never have been I like him as a rapper never

liked him as a singer I'm AWD see I like the singing [ __ ] but for four albums now

right was that U because Rory's always with me when these Drake albums drop I just was hearing it different I

heard a fall off a long time ago didn't say a word it's my guy when this album

came out I almost took it like he sound like the [ __ ] was crying out for help to me that's what he's been doing his

whole career no I'm on record of saying when he sings he sounds like Sandra hustable on The Cosby Show crying over

Elvin the flowers have die there is no morning do the cricket thinks that look I'm on record saying that so I'm when I

heard views I'm like I don't like this album but this is the Drake that everybody has grown to love so so when I

hear guys like you who are Drake fans the r sound sad the RS the raps sound unenthused I like I like still hearing

hype so if this [ __ ] is the best rapper in the world and 40 can do interviews saying now we don't work with [ __ ] cuz

we the best cuz [ __ ] can't [ __ ] with Drake and all this [ __ ] if you can say all of those

things [ __ ] you better not put out product that sound like that but it's the same Drake matters none I critique

the album I critique the album I had finally had enough was it was it uh dramatic yeah but I mean you do radio

we've done I mean got to be dramatic sometimes it was dramatic look like you was about to cry I wasn't like you looked very passionate I was like why

does he care so muchal I've never cared that much I promise you okay hold on you said you was on Aderall no I don't know

atmosphere was happy in there yeah it was real was a lot of laugh of course you know it was a 15sec clip that went

viral we all know that's not context for an hour and a half podcast yeah yeah that's what it was yo we did the

podcast and it I guess my opinion begin to gain some Merit because it was uh

that was how people felt so I don't know if Drake was dissing me or just trying to put some M uh Crush how people felt

you know because I don't really care about all that number one nine weeks all of that is beautiful I don't give a [ __ ]

about none of that so then they put that pump it up clip out French Instagram pump pump it up pump pump it up whoa

homeboy Pump It Up P all right maybe I'm about to get some Pub money maybe

because they flip songs all the time French maybe they'll just flip pump it up and that's it no now people are hearing the record you know the industry

is small we now we're hearing the record Drake is texting they're sending the record around [ __ ] heard the record

got [ __ ] were in that studio when it was being done my phone starts blowing up hip hop knows nothing about this all

they saw all they saw is a clip right so now I hear what is

said whoa now I'm hurt I am hurt I'm appalled that that [ __ ] who know my pen

game he know I don't play he know I don't care about none of that Fame success attention none of that he know

what I do and you want to use your celebrity to do that to me we smoked

hookah together how could you do that but maybe he was just responding the way he tends to respond Drake don't do

interviews from what I see he responds in music when me came at him and challenged him about ghost writing he replying with Rec he replied with

records which I thought was very hip-hop and that's why I saluted him even though I didn't like charged up I thought charged up was just okay it charged up

was real soft I thought it was okay I like it was supposed to like the fact he replied with music so he heard you on

the podcast so instead of Tweeting or getting on Instagram he replied with baross what you got to respect as an

MC I don't have to respect assum it up

honest I think Joe is respecting the music there cuz he just said don't play with me I do the bars that was just a little podcast okay but you can't say

and not respect the reaction right you said something because he's not he's not upset at the reaction he's saying Drake

has been a well documented fan of Joe's and knows what he's capable of how dumb are you to do that to know he can't

stand in the same [ __ ] it ain't too many MC's that could stand in the same room with me when I feel like being an

MC but if you're a real MC who got confidence in your skill level you should feel like you can go at it with

anybody whenn or lose I just don't understand why he can't talk to you wait what I just don't understand why he

can't respond to you that's that's never said that so what are you upset about

his reaction then like what bothers you about the reaction the response the the response yeah yeah oh what I'm it was

condescending it was no it was you know me you know me better than that so you

felt he was antagonizing you he was poking the lion if you will I feel like a lot of these him Nicky it's a lot of

them that Meek they all piece of shits they just hide behind their celebrity

but this is the thing still you started with all of them when I gave you donkey today I'm start with a lot more when I

gave you dony start with a lot more be clear I donkey today is because you got on your podcast and was [ __ ] on Meek

and Nikki in their relationship a lot of people you don't give donkey today too that's my issue with you oh come on I

want to stay on this topic I I just want to stay on this top donkey today hold I want to stay I've given Drake donkey to

day several times let's be clear before everybody was before when everybody was

on Drake's dick I was the only one saying I don't [ __ ] with Drake and [ __ ] was looking at me like I was crazy okay that's cuz you go on the radio and just say you don't [ __ ] that's

your job I don't like I I like when he raps I don't like when he SS so as a MC I was offended and I was like you know

what you were offended because why last year Fourth of July all that podcast [ __ ] I did all that I could do like I

said Meek I'm sorry I apologize I was joking but don't play with me I got

laughed out the gym I said listen you don't want to do this rap [ __ ] one year later I'm on his ass get his bum ass out

of here as far as MC I don't know him personally and Drake I'm on their ass nothing they could do with a real MC

it's nothing you can do so let me just get St they want do you're offended there's a reason [ __ ] and it ain't cuz

I'm a relevant y'all could paint that picture y'all could keep painting that [ __ ] picture but that ain't well you

entitled to that if he's irrelevant why does Nikki the biggest rapper damn near

in the world Meek very very popular and Drake the biggest rapper in the world if he's such an irrelevant person why do

they continue to react to his podcast I'm not I'm not calling Joy irrelevant let clear understand the relevant why do

they keep replying to this podcast because because historically throughout hip hop who's saying you're irrelevant

they are have you going outside no but but I'm saying we're

debating that here I don't think I don't think I've ever said you're irrelevant I don't think you ever said you're if anything I'm not talking about I know I

know but I'm saying is what we're discussing right now you have an issue with what what Charlamagne said I have an issue with I'm still trying to

understand two things I just want to understand what your issue is with what Drake said

and two with what Charlamagne said because as far as I can understand you think Charlamagne has become less

hip-hop which he think I'm commercialized he call me a puppet I don't understand I'm trying to figure out I I don't understand that either but

let's just figure out first s don't understand the terminology puppet no no I understand terminology I don't understand how you think that he's

become behind why you think that yeah but we'll get to that but here's the thing you're entitled to your opinion I just need I

just want to know why so let's start but let's start first with with the reaction to Drake it seems to me you're offended

by Drake thinking that he could even rap with you and I don't think you should be offended by self-esteem that has nothing

to do with you that's his self-esteem all right I see I see what you keep saying I'm not mad that he did

that nor am I offended by it right let's get that out the way you sound angry on all your

records angry sound angry since 96 that is true yeah you see you gave I'm

consist you giv him 21 I was angry

angry 21 minutes of music and you sounded very angry not on the last one

on the last one afraid I sounded like it was a the history of sounded nice have an

emotional reaction in the history of rap dissing who has sounded nice Jayz On take over was very cool comic collect

getting we're getting off the point let's stay on the point Snoop and Dre were happy on Dre Day Jay wasn't Jay Jay

wasn't so mad uh dis Amino I mean wasn't so calm dis Amino that was kind of calm too n okay let's go let's go let's go

let's go back so so so I'm just trying to understand what B so I put making a murderer out I'm I'm aware of the length people

told me to cut it down no you got to be aware that we had no context look like a reach Andrew I'm

just trying to get to the Drake thing Andrew Charlemagne listen to this I'm I was only ever concerned with how he was

affected him I don't care about what the public thought public I didn't care about so when I put those hundred

something bars down yeah it's bars in there I'm to it's only for him it's only

it's so much cold you can't even understand what's going on there I think I would like to

think if I'm guessing it gave him some pause right so now that French record that that they did that clip in may we

immediately went to the studio and spent the night there now I thought it was coming now I'm trying to guess all right

they had the bad boy [ __ ] at uh Barclays then it was Memorial Day Weekend Drake was having party all this [ __ ] it never

came I said whoa and then the 4 pm [ __ ] I think Drake was dissing puff so now I'm like wait I'm real confused now you

confused me too cuz you was on your podcast breaking down to 400 PM in Calabash or whatever [ __ ] is and I'm

like Joe he was not talking about you in that right 100% he was though that was all did he 100 you couldn't be more

wrong you I hear you could not be more wrong again I know that gentleman so

y'all are throwing secret subliminal [ __ ] at each other that only y'all would know he he does that often to people of

course I'm such a big fan I I just know and I'm a rapper so I know when it's happening okay you're not going to do it

to me see because when you'll do that and because I'm so insignificant in

comparison to him nobody will ever know so it's really just me knowing no it was my job to call it all out I knew the

media would say I'm crazy I have to call it out because later on y'all will get it it's not my fault that the business

side of things is making them take so along with that record me I've never really had the best

business I'm on your ass so I put that out smok screen 100 bars clear signal to

the rappers okay here we go again here's another one four days five days later

I'm still here [ __ ] I'm not leaving this one oh you left it alone I'm back again I'mma be on his ass and he won't

do it again you won't hear another word out that boy mouth about Joe but don't you think it would have been more impactful if you would have waited till

French and Drake actually dropped the record and and then 30 minutes later you put out making a murderer no way and

then another hour later you dro the other joint man the part you missing I got 20 Drake this is already in somewhere You' had those for years you

just been waiting no way I don't believe that I'm telling you and and to the six minute point and Joon knows I was very vocal about not making in six minutes

but in that instance we we're not dumb we know you can't beat Drake it's impossible to beat he has I said why why

cater why cater to people that no matter what we say they're going to believe on Drake's side hiop is not

cont yeah so we we catered to what we wanted to cater to when have I been that

though when have I've been that so that's why when I get mad at you but this is why I get mad at you let's talk

about it because I feel like you armed with so much information and when I say that like you've known me forever and

you and you know you're an Insider you know [ __ ] so the same way when I hear certain things I'm able to assess it a

bit differently than the the public because I just know a little more I get that from you so I don't be mad when

when I disagree with you I get mad when it sound like you just saying the same thing that the public will say if you

listen to what I said on the podcast I said I miss things that's the I said I'm a father I'm a husband I got careers

maybe I missed something when did Drake dis Jil that's what I said

verbatim so I don't understand how I'm you know out of the loop or puffet or commercialized well in in the same

respect a Pump It Up clip came out Joe thought that he dissed him on 4 pm. in calabases rappers rap thought again I I

didn't he also clearly clearly clear he was also the one that was rapping he

thought that was the very first thing that happened the timeline is unclear for people because I'm such an animal

the very first thing that happened on May 7th the first thing that happened

was the podcast yeah podcast you going crazy on Catalyst and then I guess Pump

It Up yes the Pod and then you're right the podcast podcast Pump It Up Your Song see for me when I'm 80 years old 85

years old be suffering from dementia because you already suffered from it now that's true um but I would like to be on

radio doing some one day the podcast for me is great practice for that when I go on there I know it's it's weird uh

outside of Nora you don't really hear rappers on podcast just divulging so

much so when I'm on the podcast I really just am shooting [ __ ] with my people like we in the living room I don't care

about none of that the rapper [ __ ] I'm not it's not rapper Joe I'm just talking that's all I'm doing like and and and

and when we first were doing the podcast right like the first 10 20 episodes everything that happened all I would

ever say was I don't care I don't care I don't care I don't care because if you know me I don't give a [ __ ] about any of that stuff and two people say well you

got a podcast we kind of want to hear what you think all right welcome to the [ __ ] horrible Twisted mind of [ __ ]

Jo I think you do care he he I think you do care a lot Joe is senstive [ __ ] I

think are creative and creative types are sensitive I'm addressing that you're I think and that is natural I don't think there's anything to be uh

embarrassed about yeah toward others others I also I heard you on the podcast

last week I said I said Joe is hurt cuz you had no point of reference as to why

I'm a puppet and you say little catty [ __ ] like he's got a new body and new skin I'm like what the [ __ ] that got to

do it anything oh you do got a new body in yes I do cuz I work out so he can't get in shape I'm

how dare you you're not hip hop no more Charlamagne you started being Health people talk we joke with friends and

then he said he said about Drake Drake has you you with the sculpted ABS I'm like why does joke care about nigga's

body so time out time out time out the word scope let's address that yes that

that is a word that's used for a reason specific he got I'm not I'm not sitting

there saying oh he's sculpted like it's not it's not that like you said he went to Dr Miami and my dumb ass followed him

up and text Dr Miami and asked him and what happened Dr Miami was like get the [ __ ] out of here it wasn't Dr Miami it

was it wasn't Dr Miami I'm not going to do that saving that I know but that was being phous he did get two

surgeries not how you so you weren't being factious you were just giving the wrong Miami part yeah yeah but that's

not being factious so I'll take it back um you're just saying the wrong doctor how do you know this like see that's why

I don't that's another reason I was so offended when he just me cuz why would you do that to someone who knows so much

I'm ready to tear that entire Empire down if he says another word yeah but do you think he felt the same way when you just him on the podcast maybe Drake's a

fan of yours he should have been so he's a fan of yours and then he hears a fan he hears someone who he thinks is a

mutual F and he's H just like you remember these dudes are sensitive man rappers are [ __ ] sensitive what does

throws and then act like he didn't throw that initial shot that's not true on you absolutely are acting that way couldn't be more wrong you act like that you're

not understanding his sity we're sitting here going I understand how you feel when some comes at you right because you

know your ability he knows his ability you can't you can't hate on that man for

having confidence in what he does just like he can't hate on you for having confidence in you do so but I don't understand why you're so perplexed that

he would come at you on on my podcast I said when I broke down that whole 4M [ __ ] I said I'm not mad at this he doing

what he's supposed to do I I I did this I did this he has responded let me tell

you from here don't play playing with the wrong [ __ ] so I wasn't mad yo when

me I wasn't mad like y'all dealing with somebody that's what I'm saying I don't be mad I don't [ __ ] at the beginning of

making a murderer I'm say [ __ ] Meek anytime it's a mic in front of me he didn't do nothing to you Jo started him

you started with him Jo he did what did he do to you Joe and meek don't like none of these [ __ ] we talking about

like me by the way okay so I'm not defending any of these [ __ ] you guys on the same side all the exactly all of

these [ __ ] have tried to run down on me at certain points that people don't know about or maybe they do cuz I talk about it so none of these [ __ ] like me

so let's be clear on that I'm not defending none of them but you started with me first always be for on the side

of the last the lease the loss the left out the looked over so when him and his

girlfriend attacked me after I apologized and Nikki and I was real hurt cuz we got got

some some people in common her and I we'll leave that off of here the meek [ __ ] I don't really care about him he's

young he's immature whatever but because I'm always on that side I'm going to always have a problem when people who

are up up up up up up up as far as status CU I know these people they all

whack but when you up there in status and now you want to use that status to trample over people on the bottom like

y'all wasn't there I'm going to always feel way but stop thinking st stop so Meek a whole three days three

days you could do whatever time hop you need to do if you listening go back and get it three days maybe even four he

went nuts after you dissing him though we we why you keep saying that because I get on that radio every day I say things

about people I started and now I'm still here with the [ __ ] so let's address that you're right you can't be upset who the

[ __ ] is upset you why do they keep saying I'm you're upset you slaming the

table yo yo you swing on a dude right what is he

upset about here here what's about you swing on a dude right you drop him right

he gets up and you start to feel bad you go yo my bad I shouldn't have dropped you and then when a dude swings back at you you're like what the [ __ ] you

swinging back at me how dare you I said I'm sorry he's like dog you punch me in the face pun that's what both of y'all

are hearing then we just are that's what everybody who's listening to this is hearing that's single that's not true

that's not true he starts it they reply Joe is then saying hey you sure you want

to do this with me no at first said I'm sorry I didn't know y'all took it like that it's not my job to decide you get

no the first thing I said was I apologize but you you said me looks like a [ __ ] he did look like a [ __ ] so how

can you be mad we from the hood you know [ __ ] don't want to hear that [ __ ] you can't say that he's not he's not saying

he didn't understand why he repli why they do I'm riding the car I'm listening to Joe I'm riding the car last we I'm

listening to Joe I like Joe's commentary soon as Joe goes he sucks Drake's dick I'm like what the [ __ ] man Jo have to

fight cuz you from the hood you know you don't invite [ __ ] to your dick I didn't invite you to my dick but you invit you s like I'm suck as dick like

godamn Joe that was harsh see he said he's not from the 90s but that's a '90s thing that is that's a '90s thing very

is so if that's in you Charlemagne it should always be in you it's never not been should always be in you tell me

when it's left I need to know tell me this is I I just I don't understand tell me when it's left yeah you need evidence for a premise

man y keep saying I'm mad y' ain't got evid said you're mad you said you

emotionally reacted and you were mad you said you said when am I not mad that was your exact word when am I not mad don't

go in his brain no no no no I'm just I'm just reminding him what he said don't do it listen what bothers me most about

this is your insecurity here because you said you will always stand up for the

people on the bottom the people who are looked over the people who are trampled which which to me seems like that's who

you think you are well you got to start realizing you're [ __ ] Joe Buton bro you got bars that don't mean no no no no

no no it bothers me because you're looking at like you're looking at that like it's a permission slip to respond

to dudes because they're bigger than you but if you know you got bars like these dudes which nobody's denying that you do

why you looking at like you're the bully your button is a bully acting like a victim but so there it is so maybe it's victimology you bully the big

celebrities y' are bullying me now no you you bully these people and then they respond you act like a victim it's like

I'm little I'm weak you're not at no point am I acting like a victim and I'm not angry y'all keep making that the

narrative and it's not we just using the words you said did you act like a victim of Birman absolutely not cuz I knew

exactly what he was there for I didn't play clueless or dumb I knew he was be there for but my thing when do I play

clueless or dumb you're doing it right now now you're acting like you don't know why Meek went at you for three four

days this is what I inter like you don't know why I know why Meek did that I know why Drake did that I know why they act

like you act like you don't know why Nikki's mad at you I know why she did that Nikki don't like me either by the

way and Nikki was cool he was cool until I said I thought e he should have won the best female artist at the BET awards

that year I think this is very contradictory with you and I could be I maybe perceived the uh Birdman thing

wrong because I only saw the clip that everyone else saw I don't know the background story or what you said afterwards okay but when Birdman came in

and you sat there and said well I'm just the radio guy why didn't you talk to these other people that sounds exactly what you're accusing Joe of what do you

mean no how he threw a shot cuz that's why Birdman was there from my understanding because you had said something about him on the radio right

so so so if I if I said [ __ ] about Birman on the radio and you come to the radio what does that let me think that lets me think that you're about to sit

down and conduct an interview and and dispute everything that I've said oh he said it law before before you guys got

on the radio what you mean he was standing up he Wasing before six dudes

trying to intimidate somebody that's not radio [ __ ] that part I'm saying I'm not going to get into particulars with that

I'm just saying with this victim thing you throw a shot and someone comes and you say I'm the radio guy why don't you talk to these people it's kind of what

what you're saying I threw a shot at Drake andek I can't believe they're coming down clarify this clarify this could ask question say the whole line

what I said was why you coming here acting tough with the radio guy take that [ __ ] to the people Who's acting

tough with you cuz I'm not acting tough with Birdman when I'm giving my opinion when I'm saying things like yo why would

you sign the Birdman when he has a history of not paying AR and Joe gave an opinion but you understand the difference between

you understand the difference between aggressive tactics right which might happen in a rap beef between two rers

there was a thousand cameras in there and somebody doing this and somebody and somebody saying I've been punched on

camera I don't try I don't give a [ __ ] about cameras on camera exactly cameras around don't mean somebody won't do nothing saying B's been in this industry

for 40 years they not hitting you at the radio station with cameras on he this industry forever he not doing

that dumb [ __ ] he would have done it 20 years ago on nobody I don't sleep on nobody guys I

don't sleep on nobody we have to be prepared I don't SLE at all times I don't sleep on nobody why come here with

six [ __ ] like you seen I didn't want to get too deep into the bman thing I I

just from my perspective you're doing the same thing to what Joe just did but I don't act clueless the same neither

do on the podcast I know not once in anything Joe has said would has Joe

acknowledged his podcast he don't acknowledge you called me a [ __ ] I said that no brought recording we brought

that up yeah yeah yeah people will listen and they'll listen it's a podcast what did you say that was what did you say that was aggressive towards baby

nothing did you threaten to attack him did you threaten to do anything to him so he came through didn't call him a [ __ ] didn't call him a [ __ ] didn't say

he was going to beat up views he just said he didn't like it did did you call him deck Drake he Hat [ __ ] one Dan

I'm not saying Drake thing the Drake thing is rap me them GNA see try to see you when they when they they run into

you Joe I I don't know I don't know I don't cosign that good by the way Rory wants no

parts good well let's talk about other I'm just a podcast guy why am I a puppet I want to know about

that because I believe I'mma just refer back to the Dame conversation I fall on that side you

fall on the other side which side I can see it more I think you would be I think your hip-hop Roots would shine and

flourish a little more if if your show allowed it or if the radio

allowed it or or if it was allowed you have the number one show I think there are restraints I think there are I think

there's a ceiling over you and I could tell when you envy and Angela start

[ __ ] um leveraging your relationships or just thinking about your relationships as

you're doing your job that's called a puppet for example you're respond to nothing you're

responding to nothing you're responding to he didn't say a single bit of evidence here give me an example

you just gave opinion you need evidence to back of opinion so in any logical discourse you need evidence to back of

opin why would you respond you're responding to listen I don't need an example I can tell you exactly why

that's totally untrue I'm listening what is untrue nothing has been relax I've been doing radio since 1998 he's on adal

I've been doing radio since 1998 this is the seventh radio station I've worked at I've been fired four times because of my

opinion the reason the Breakfast Club hired me after being fired four times CU they know exactly what they expect from charlam since I've been here from 2010

I've [ __ ] on guys like Drake Birdman Wayne all of these Core artists for

iHeart you know how many times they've come to me and been like Drake won't do our concert because of you did I stop

absolutely not Little Wayne won't do this because of you none of these guys have even ever come to The Breakfast Club and hold on me tell when you talk

about ceilings who would bring Minister Faron on The Breakfast Club twice Dr Umar Johnson who wouldn't Dick Gregory

when when when did you see Faron on any major media before me on The Breakfast Club

I'm not really media guy this these are guys that come in here and talk about white supremacy talk about how the white man is the devil all this kind of stuff

and I'm bringing them on the show but you're talking about we got sealant come on do none you do have seant out and we

talk about relationships why am I getting attacked in front of the radio station twice already why do none of

these artists [ __ ] with me that you're talking about what are the relationships I don't have relationship DJ did what are you talking about why you getting

attacked in so they sent they they sent them twice maybe okay well the second one got

really [ __ ] up maybe did but my point is I don't have no relationship I'm not in the music industry I think you do a

lot of good yes you are in the music IND yes you are though you never see me no industry parties yes I have seen you industry part what party name them when

I don't go to none of that [ __ ] exactly no album release parties no [ __ ] listening parties I don't do none of

that [ __ ] I don't mix with them [ __ ] have you ever seen me ever before today Char man in person probably in

passing you you like it or not you are in the music industry I be number one

number two defition of mus all that [ __ ] that you just said I I know that you [ __ ] hate all them [ __ ] I'm not I'm

not arguing there I'm talking about the people that you don't necessarily hate so much that you maybe don't but listen

I'm not here I don't have you you saying things with no evidence so I'm I'm giving my opin what

you mean so that's the whole point of discourse I'm giving him my opinion he asked me for it I'm giving

it on Revolt every day and I still say Diddy's music is whack we're on Revolt

every day and I asked did he did he have something to do with killing Tupac you still keep talking about all that you do

I'm telling you I can hear I need oh here I need to know examples and and I said it last time I was here last time I

was here you know how much it you know how much it took for you to give Meek the Donkey of the Day it took a lot cuz

I was I had faith in him as a rapper I was giving him the benefit of the doubt on some rap did he get it some people

don't get the benefit of I gave him two donkey that week I gave him a warning on Wednesday they was all late they was all

of that was late I gave him warning on Wednesday of the day back to back drop and by Friday after he dropped that wack

guy dis I was on him that was mad late a lot of people get the benefit of the doubt with you ye I could just hear it I

hear it I can hear it give me example then I just [ __ ] did you said the word ye example I by the way he was two

days late with Meek no I didn't say that you're putting words in my mouth you said late you said the word you said two days I I I assume two days don't assume

with me fine how many days a lot okay lot of days late whatever that is how many days late how many days late

getting angry it's okay I don't care about anger be angry be angry it's good uh look how many days late were you with

your Drake this how long were you feeling these feelings about Drake before you actually put out there in the world and criticize him because that was

probably going on a little while maybe not two days but maybe a lot no my feelings changed often regarding Drake

but you never did anything about it that's funny why how long did it take you to actually do something about it I did something about it that's not

true but it was a while cuz you've been sitting here telling us I didn't like what was going on and was this that the

other and you took your time because you actually like this person you believed in this person right much like belied in

me and then all a sudden Andrew publicly well we're talking publicly right this is what you

do publicly that's what we are you're criticizing for his public displ and by the way Joe you've only gotten donkey today once I could have gave you donkey

today many times for many the picture that you paint and I just be thinking

it's cuz you want to [ __ ] to he at some point in life I don't know but the picture that you be painting about me you know my character better than the

picture that you paint I out out that's not true you don't so one minute you

don't fact check and the next minute you just discuss the fact this a personal thing you would first bird on so this is

a personal thing against you it's not about charlan being hip-hop or not you think that he's disparaging your character and then you're looking for

other reasons to be upset at him this a personal you charag thing not a hipop your interpretation is poor or you're

purposely trying to twist my words either way I'm not resp I don't have to twist anything not what I just said to me all I see is you being upset at the

way that he is uh I guess placing your character or placing character judgments on you right that's a personal thing so

when we are personally offended myself included I start to look at somebody go you know what [ __ ] that guy who personally offended me I'm going to look

for other reasons why he's an [ __ ] well that may be you I don't work like that you don't work like that but it seems like right now you're looking like

that because you're attacking his hip-hop credit only after he's attacked your personality no no Andrew no no

that's what it seems I mean you still haven't said I'm not you can't you can't say a reason why he's not hipop I don't care how it seems you can't give a

single shred of evidence I don't need to I saw Charlamagne In Sum and

Columbia Columbia yeah I drove from something Columbia the Charlamagne I

keep saying something too the Charlamagne that I saw in columia and the Charlamagne that I hear and see now

of course they won't be the same because people change every day you want to grow you want to mature that was 10 12 years ago so and nothing's changed you know

the first time I interview the same amount of Hip Hop I was then

yeah I am now you the first time I interviewed you I asked you were you and Jahim [ __ ] cuz that was the [ __ ]

rumor that was on the internet at the time really yes no that was 12

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years wait time out now now he's starting some new [ __ ] wait the the rumor at time was Jahim was gay that was

it that was when Jahim flipped out over there not Joe Joe Buton and Jahim was [ __ ] yeah Jahim flipped out over

there you remember I don't remember I thought it I thought it was you and Jim he went to the raadio station they called him gay flipped out and [ __ ]

ran was in there with you right whether that was a rumor or not hilarious well I don't know how this [ __ ] came about but I remember I asked him that

and you do that a lot you do that let's be very clear Joe but [ __ ] F man butthole

right now not rumor y that's what you do you I did ask you that but the only

reason I bought it up cuz you said I suck dick last week be honest with you all all right all right we even we even see but

Andrew see that's the you don't know me and you've never met me listen you never met me Andre [ __ ] do we get ourselves

into over way too much dick sucking over if you look at me and Rory connect eyes on that [ __ ] both of us were just trying

to feel out what the hell went on I'm looking for clarity from Rory Rory looking Clarity from me what the [ __ ]

texting me like what what's going on no I thought joke is [ __ ] what's happening Andrew you don't you don't

know me and yes all rappers are sensitive I agree creatives are sensitive yeah and I'm sensitive but not

really toward me I'm sensitive toward how other people feel I've been through so much [ __ ] up [ __ ] thank you that I

don't I'm really not so Roy is with me almost every day I love charag even

through his [ __ ] [ __ ] like you say um all of this [ __ ] he does in radio station my character so you were upset

at him no shaag is super [ __ ] and

he's not sensitive about it or at least he doesn't behave that way not at all I like that about him I am not sensitive

toward me [ __ ] could say whatever the [ __ ] they want I'm I'm GNA go tear Peter

ass up because he's sensitive Peter Rosenberg I'm g go tear him up oh he's

sensitive I'm meeting a lot of sensitive men who I'm just seeing it's pouring out it's I'm not like that you can say

whatever the [ __ ] you want I don't believe that well y'all don't believe a lot I said I'm sensitive well then why you saying this guy is crazy listen keep

the original Bird Man Joe is finished and done Joe came on The Breakfast Club

Joe came on The Breakfast Club and I said Joe did you sit on her stomach he said no I sat under her breast what the

[ __ ] are you talking well first of all y'all shouldn't have rappers up there [ __ ] 700 in the morning that's number one it's not 700 in the morning now no

not now I'm talking about then this is what Jo and you should and you should have never wanted to Def you know that

woman and see that's that's what I mean that right there is exactly what I mean you don't know that Esther Banker is a

[ __ ] nutcase Charlamagne I don't know her I don't know her I don't know her

does that a lot I really don't know her I don't think I've ever met Esther I don't know I don't I don't do the industry thing like y'all do Joe why

you keep saying y'all cuz you are still an industry person very much so how you play The Regular Joe role because your

name is Joe and that's a good character to play but you are industry like a [ __ ] how easily how every

everything now we need evidence Joe no I'm just asking I don't have any evidence I just want to hear why he

think that to prove evidence is nice you work at Power 105 and are employed by

MTV Joe is not even signed to a record label that's his problem that's actually great problem in 201 problem that's a

great thing how are you not industry and he is I want to hear it I never said I

wasn't I work in the industry yes you did this is my thing you said I'm not part indust last you SE I'm not in the

those guys I bet you've been I bet you've been The More album release parties than me I bet you've been the more listening parties I bet you hang

around more rappers I bet you hang around more producers oh that can cosign that every last part of that it couldn't

be further can I hate all them [ __ ] like you I talking about I think you guys are equally actually both not very

industry I I just just for my understanding of both first of all me personally with charl no no no but me

personally with just knowing char I I just don't see him as somebody who's affected by it and from you I don't

really see you as part of the I don't know fabric of the rap industry I've never really felt that way from you but

we're both arguing who's less when you're already both less I think we can agree on that I think I mean that's the true to the matter I was offended when I

heard Joe say I was a puppet last week I'm like my opinion my opin my opin

puppet was not Joe's I I would disagree if anything puppet wise and I don't know all the facts also at you too Rory when

you said that I steal content from Twitter well you had been accused that a while ago I was saying you're doing now [ __ ] on Twitter but Rory didn't say

that he said you've been accused of that and you had been accused accused of it but that's stupid like it it bugs me out because they act like the things that

we're discussing on Twitter people aren't discussing in real life I agree like it's the dumbest [ __ ] in the world like if Rich Homie Quan [ __ ] up at the

BET Awards and everybody's tweeting me like sh you gota give him donkey today why wouldn't I give him donk today I'm

watching the VH1 Awards just just like y that's not what I meant that's not what I meant by did you me been accused of

stealing actual lines like like word for word 140 characters and saying them on the radio and that's [ __ ] I'm not I

didn't accuse you of it that's just what was around but so you brought up an accusation yeah have you me beating

[ __ ] up as [ __ ] same sh accusation same [ __ ] and you repayed it when he gave him donkey the day when it

had nothing to do with it someone You' You' nevered that's true I gave him donkey the day because he said that Meek

looks soft and me look like a [ __ ] cuz he's all into [ __ ] Nikki so I said well Joe you wouldn't know anything

about being in a good relationship cuz you're never in one and every girl you date accuses you of beating them up so

that's why that was the context just just like you brought I was just playing random [ __ ] I was proving my point well

you played a whole [ __ ] clip I played three different girls saying that they beat him up and then I played I didn't

sit on her stomach I sat under her breast do you beat girls up you don't beat girls up no I don't hit them I

don't touch him I only even ever have to deal with it only when he's in front of me's the only

only that's not my [ __ ] that's not true so let's just you are the only person that keeps

that narrative alive it's such a bold it's so it's such a bold accusatory

thing to say you know my character and you know the person I am so every time my name is

brought up for you to do that I would have to think that there's something else in play Joe I've done the donkey the day and I did a breakfast club callt

while you were sitting in front of me right Mak sense Andrew Andrew I think that I but do I talk behind your back

same thing I say I say to your face real quick that's that's understand passive aggressive who I've never been passive

aggressive I understand I understand where you're coming from Joe the sensitivity to that you go is there a

personal feeling that we have here is there something personally [ __ ] up because you keep bringing up this accusation which hasn't been proven BR

it up do but at the same time look look look at the same time people bring up accusations all the time with everybody

you can't mention charlamagne's name without saying he's [ __ ] bleaching his skin this that the other there's tons of let me respond to that many

times I bring up Charlemagne's name without talking about bleaching skin well you brought up can you say other things like your sucking dick puppet

you're bad for New York radio what he's trying to say is just tell him that he beats women Fu he'd rather that than

suck dick and bleach his skin okay hit a no because he no because he never has to

no because he never has to stand in court all the way down there by [ __ ] Wall Street and have a judge in front of

him with the daily news reporters there saying all right you suck dick like that's not happening that happens to me

sucking dick is not a crime your shade one mon here's your shade the other jury what do you have to say I think charlot

suck a dick not hey you suck a dick you suck a dick I mad crime and you bash Mr C for get

for sucking some dick homophobic so now you homophobic now homophobic no no he was a Serial purchaser of penis okay

first of all what's wrong with that nothing but as a radio personality you think I'm going to let that content just go this guy on the Rival stage who's a

legend is out here buying [ __ ] dick three times yeah but come on how can I

let that go Jo denying buying dick how can I let that go Joe you do radio you do podcast would you go a week without

talking about that if you was doing your podcast when that [ __ ] happened maybe no you wouldn't may maybe I don't know see

I guess and this is what it and and I'm glad we did this because I I figured it out I figured it out my when I think of

you I just think you above certain things I just think I just think that certain [ __ ] is beneath you because [ __ ]

what what I hear on the radio donkey today and all of that [ __ ] I just would like to think I know where your heart

line and when I hear some of that stuff like the mistic like it's just it's dirty it's dirty stop it Joe to me so

you told you said I suck dick last week so don't don't be mad at me for clowning

somebody for going out there purchasing penises getting his dick suck okay that's hold up it's not even about him

that's a rival it has nothing to do with being gay that's crazy you're Mr [ __ ] SE and you're

out here constantly not just once not just twice three times that's why I

disagreed with Joe opinion on the puppet part but my theory on the puppet part

here is just that right there I think you started out very genuine in dissing all these people and everything and it

became very very popular obviously so now you kind of have to live into this character my op I could be wrong you

think he's Trump no I think it's the dark Dark Knight Theory I think you just living into this [ __ ] thing and you can't go above your morals to not

[ __ ] say I'm glad you said that because if you a whole clip Mr getting

beat real quick with Mr C I think the issue with Mr C is is not that he's sucking dick is that it was denying that

he's sucking dick if Mr C was like look I love trans women I suck trans dick all time my puppet that he fell too far in

his character now it's expected he has to do it I disagree with Joe but I still would say if we're going to go with the puppet route it is that you have created

this character off something genuine and now you have to do it and Rory I'm going to tell you why you're wrong cuz I'm not a character and I never want to become a

character said create he said created and I never want to become a character CH of myself because that becomes whack I agree I'm not I'm not stuck into

nothing if I was stuck in something I [ __ ] I'd have ped all Drake's [ __ ] champagne out when he sent it to me and

been like [ __ ] that which I still think you should R when when when charge up a back to back came out I'd have been like

a these records are whack that's a lot charg up was just okay to me but I gave him props for responding with RS and

back to back was hard well my name was into the knot that [ __ ] was a hard [ __ ] record hating would be to say yo

joe buts Can't Rap look that would be a line that's a that's [ __ ] I can't say that but I can get I will say I will

say Joe bu rap but he'll beat your [ __ ] up don't put no bring no [ __ ] around he [ __ ] up I a say nothing listen I

could have I could have made a great joke yesterday about you constantly abusing women because you keep going at

Drake All right but [ __ ] but but but I have but that's that's a funny joke but I

haven't made those every time but that's funny every time you bring up that nasty other [ __ ] is always in such poor

tast you could say picking and Cho one was way more malicious and that was yeah that [ __ ] know when he malicious man I

don't want to hear this [ __ ] [ __ ] I can see through that [ __ ] know when he malicious he he know what he doing he know he play that victim [ __ ] too oh

what I doing I'm always the same person I order [ __ ] but I haven't made jokes about Drake in years at least before

back to back at least a half a year cuz it was at that at point it just sounded like hating I got on the radio every day

and it sounded like I was just [ __ ] hating dudes winning let a [ __ ] win like even if I don't like views I got on the radio and said I

didn't like views that [ __ ] was number one for 10 weeks so what would it what would it matter for me to come on the radio every day and say how much I don't

like views it's pointless matters none that that album is number one for 10 weeks if the [ __ ] that made it ain't

enjoying that success I think that nigga's miserable sounds I think you kind of miserable Jo

I'm documented as being miserable listen to it you don't know

that if you don't know that Joe is miserable listen to a joe song I know you probably have not heard one and by

way and I've never met Drake in my life never met him never had a conversation with him nothing to this day I don't

[ __ ] with these industry dudes oh you drunk them bottle shut up [ __ ] I did actually I gave him away I gave

Angela one I gave Crystal one we drank one on the set of Uncommon Sense I gave zory one I gave him [ __ ] away I regifted all them [ __ ] but oh and the last uh

insult that you did with Joe with uh your TV show I was really offended when you said Joe was hip-hop's favorite

crackhead because DMX is Hip Hop's favorite crackhead and that should be he's always been Hip Hop's favorite dare

don't you dare do that that is true what was your choice by the way Joe's been on that show that show he said that wouldn't last okay which is going on

with the second season but I but I didn't want to come friends are on that TV show I want to come but you said it wouldn't last it's in the second season

congrats you know what I'm saying it does great in ratings every week but time out let me be clear let me be clear

I was only saying that not to uh attack you I was looking at the slot that MTV

uh put it at right one and then I was only judging that was the first episode

that was the and I didn't enjoy it the first episode was real whack as the show went on it got better

absolutely that's how shows work thanks thanks Andrew you're welcome thank you that re

obvious I needed that context because that sounds like what you were saying Charlamagne has been saying horrible

things about you for a long time so every chance you get you're going to attack him and that's not true okay so

but I'm going to talk about uncom since the first episode on my podcast everything Happ just on on my podcast as you should be able to and and and with

the uh I'm not good for New York radio no you're great for New York radio you said last week no no I did say I said

charlamagne's good for New York radio and what I meant to say right after was I don't know how good New York radio has been for Charlamagne why you say that as

we've discussed I just think your hip-hop card is is in the washing machine why because I didn't I said your disre point you got nice body yes I did

you if you stop smoking cigarettes and drinking coffee every 2 minutes you can have nice skin and a nice body too Joe

okay you did dust for years that dust head I like dust head is better dust angel dust I don't think I called you a

crackhead but I don't know I remember being offended because D you say hip hop favorite crack at your button I think I

tweeted it really and I wasn't mad as his friend I was huge DMX fan so I was

offended I was like hip hop likes DMX way more than Joe I love DMX by the way all I'm saying is DMX is it's good to

have this prod I do dust it's good to have did did I don't know why dust don't get enough does do crack he does dust

did dust don't get enough credit in the drug world when was the last time you did dust I had to be 17 16 do you do

drugs now Joe no so it's just mood swings what about pill psych what about

prescription no I can't have you been clinically diagnosed with any like mental illness you really think like

there's a screw missing absolutely I think you're a creative genius but I think when it comes to like social

skills and dealing with people you're a [ __ ] up person I don't like dealing with people I don't want to deal with people why do you think that is it's I'm

a recluse I hate people I'm an introvert but why do you I'm a thinker I rather live in my mind I don't hate people I'm just I'm I don't really hate people I

just rather be around my people which myself I'm just not real industry so you have to know that's that's not industry

that's that's a normal you know people socialize some people don't like to socialize that's nothing to do with the

industry but I've been in the industry since I was 20 so yes it does when I was at 20 years old now your whole life you

know it's kind of like I think I think now 35 I'll be 36 I'm single it's hard

to find a woman in this industry as a rapper the places I'm going it's always

work work work work work this job is a 247 job so yeah I hate people I don't

want to I don't want to go to the CL I don't want to take a picture I don't want to smell get I want I want to stay home I I've become a slave almost to

That Celebrity no matter matter how small it is so when I talk to em and when I talk to the other [ __ ] and the

people that like you've reached the top of the top of the like and that's really

where the the the gym is for me if anybody that wanted to ever be a rapper

could see the end of the road I think it would him is probably close to that as far as his success so to get all the way

up there and to not be able to maneuver around in the peak of My Success I hated it when me and Jay-Z took that [ __ ]

picture he had that orange [ __ ] on all I was the man kids running I hatte it it

that's not who I am as a person did it hurt your feelings when Drake said you're a one hit wonder no I'm a one- hit

wonder did did did it hurt your feelings when he said I turned into what you

almost was no no not at all and I and I don't I don't remember I don't remember

you ever being almost as big as Drake though never I don't remember that I understand

that context of music maybe no because he he took Joe's blueprint and

made it much much easier palette that I agree I've said that I'm on record in saying that that I agree with so maybe

he could have meant that I didn't understand that I I don't get it either but and then you said in your disc

record uh you was there you know how it feels like Joe you was never youve never

been that number one guy in the world but I've been there when it's happening

too fast and you are at the height of of course I've never I've never seen that

success and the at the next uh in the next verse I said uh whatever um just from your views you probably couldn't

see it I can't and on my podcast I say he's looking and assessing from a different place than I've ever been but

I can identify with a lot of things happening fast that's it do you think you're the new

jazzo I don't know you don't think this looks like a jazo j situation with you and Drake No cuz it almost looks like

the big homie who's a little upset and jealous that the Young guy blew past

him the younger guy has been past me he been past me but that's how it look it look like now it looks just in a lot of

ways in a lot of ways it looks like you're disf frontal like it don't look like it's coming from a good place also no one was championing Drake more than

Joe around the so far gone time and Joe was making music that was saying hey I don't want to be popular I want to make

it for my core audience so I could see your point if I didn't know that he was championing him while making music he

wanted jazo was championing Jay when he was doing the Sophie and he yeah but but jazzo wanted to be where Jay-Z was Joe

does not want to be where Drake is I don't believe that I don't believe nobody is in this game and doesn't want to be the number one guy I'd be lying to

you if I said I don't want to be the number one Mulia guy out when I when I sign that could be you when I sign yeah

everybody's different when I signed my record contract I I wanted it to be the best

rapper in the world and I wanted it to be respected by all the people that I think the best are the best were the best rappers doesn't that ultimately

make you number one no no no no no I think a lot of no no I understand what you're saying you want uh you always

wanted appreciation from from your peers but not fame right but recognition from

certain people you don't need some guy who you don't respect their opinion on hip-hop when great the fame comes anyway

say again even if you're not focusing like I don't want to be famous I go in there every day to try to do great radio there we go but when you focus on being

great and you do great radio all that other stuff comes regardless but there's some people that are great at some people that are great at what they do

and we don't and we don't know who they y all like the [ __ ] who made this [ __ ] or whatever when I walked in the club I

walked in the club the other night right saw all the OG's in the back Buster Rhymes is dead Lord Jamar is De the kids

may know Lord Jamar from uh DJ [ __ ] TV but um you don't [ __ ] with Vlad [ __ ]

Vlad um um how do you hate everybody nobody likes Vlad though I like Vlad you would

I like Vlad like vad he's a nice fell have issues with certain things Vlad

does and we talk about it and we talk about see that is the part that I don't

understand I just I just I got to go I I don't get it I don't get it how is vad still allowed in Hip Hop and I'm not

even about to talk about here thing he's not in I'm not talking about I don't want to talk about him I'm not I'm not I will never talk about him I had um oh so

I go to the club the other day bust Ron's back there Lord Jamar from brand new like like that type when I see Scarface when I see black thought when I

see and all of the [ __ ] that I see yeah they know what my pen does

that's that's that's what does it for me that's what does it for me I can't I I I couldn't be what I could not do what

Drake is doing I would die first I would die first before I could do even if you did it on your own Merit like say you

was putting out all of this music and M I mean multi-millions of people [ __ ] with it you doing you not switching up

not changing nothing you're putting out the m music the way you want to you're putting out [ __ ] like making up a murderer and they [ __ ] with it and it

just makes you the biggest in the world because everybody's [ __ ] with you you wouldn't want that but that's Utopia to anybody what you want that that's a good

question anyone in the world would let answer though would you want that man I'm having a problem right this second

trying to manage things like I'm I'm I'm not you Fe success I'm

not no no no no I don't fear success but it's just it's just going to happen on

my terms what if it does that's the it has it has you missing it has is what

you missing I don't I look at them [ __ ] all the people that people are saying is so successful I I don't I just don't look

at him like that I got signed in 2001 right and all the things that I fought

for in Def Jam I'm looking at the industry now and that's the industry that exists today that's the win for me

so now I'm looking and I'm inspired now and I'm say oh you damn sure ain't gonna beat Joe Button with the internet [ __ ]

I'm the internet before y'all was here I remember Jo button.com was early before

all of y'all were here and this was hot and trendy and wavy I was here I was the [ __ ] saying Hey Kevin Leo there's a

whole field of people that we should Market to out there I was the [ __ ] saying and them hey why do we have to do

a 12we roll out why do we have to care about that why can't I just drop an album and the people that enjoy it like they just go get it that's the hip hop

in the industry that exists today I love Drake so much because a lot of MC's last decade fought

for this so for him to be able to do what I could not do last decade is the

win for me I think Kanye broke the ceiling for that I think Kanye broke the ceiling for guys

like Drake for guys like Cole for guys like Kendrick the Vic mes chance the rappers I feel like all of those guys

are fuit off Kanye's tree true but I mean even then when Kanye was doing it when when uh Kanye came out old four

yeah came it was it was after me so yeah he was doing that too but I'm saying I

was doing it 0 one to then and was told stop it don't do it stop it we we don't

want to hear we want to hear it so I'm glad that Kanye is able to come and do that I'm glad that all of the people

that make that introspective type of vulnerable type I would never hate on I

love that that's that's who I am at my core and I think this is a perfect ending here because that's what we originally said when we were criti

critiquing views Joe said just that I Love You Drake because you're doing what I could not do with my platform I just

don't want you to go off the wrong path and then the third the third disc that everyone keeps calling disc afraid he said that in the dis afraid are you sure

this has nothing to do with Drake [ __ ] no me and him had [ __ ] a million of the same women you said that on the record we discussed [ __ ] the

same girl like a real [ __ ] or some [ __ ] like that because because that's how that's the hip-hop we're in today see

some of us [ __ ] some some of us some of us we're from a different hip hop so

today I only put that in the record because it was so baffling to me that you are offended that I critiqued your

album you've seen to be very hurt you're the biggest rapper in the world you're addressing me now it's Pump It Up

clearly you feel away you're saying he's running he's telling people behind the scenes damn Joe was my man damn he hurt

he respects your opinion Andrew stop for one second did you respect my opinion when you [ __ ] shorty so you are up no no

no let me finish were we friends then no har he wasn't your girl then all right

no of course not okay then let me talk let me talk let me talk I you're my girl you're always my my point

is the rules don't change depending on the side so if you could [ __ ] her and I

can say to you I know what's happening I'm cool I don't feel no type of way at all I'm cool have a

blast it's not for you to turn around and feel like Mr sens oh my God oh my God how could you say something about my

the line that line is skewed to meal difference I'll tell you the fundamental difference tell me you [ __ ] the hear in private and y'all talked about it in

private you went public in bash views oh s so that's that industry friend [ __ ] no

for real that's why I don't have industry friends you know why cuz I hate getting those phone like like Nikki my Nicki's my girl but I when I said Iggy

should get best female artist at the BET Awards Iggy Fancy was number one for six weeks Iggy was the [ __ ] early on in the

year before they [ __ ] decided to make her to face of white people and kill her but she should have won that award and

let's be very clear I mean to here would never say it she probably mad to we even bringing her up if you talk to TI in

private cuz you know her she going to tell you I was the [ __ ] giving advice

to who I won't say anymore okay to Tahiri on I won't say I don't want to talk about Tahiri here can I ask one

question if you speak to anybody like that's who I am one question what I said on that record hey go flourish have a

blast y'all Dolphins run [ __ ] Gallop whatever y [ __ ] why did you Queen out

just now Dolphins I'm saying go do all I'm saying see that's what you do that's what you do that's what you do that

right there that right there and that's going to be the only clip they post that's the only they post I know how this works Ed that's why I'm saying this

so do you y'all hey that good SK that good skin [ __ ] got your ass so now you

got I'm suck at J you pay me out to be a [ __ ] every time but listen but listen charl on a more serious note I think you

get what I'm saying yeah all right we had Tahiri on here I've wondered this on the podcast I wondered this the whole

time she said she likes getting jerked off on is that a is that a truth I'm not I'm not going to talk about to what the

[ __ ] it's one thing I've been wondering about for [ __ ] a year you can't just say the answer that one no I'm not

talking about t so this is once again once again this is my thing it was Private with with Drake you made it

public I think I think your issue Joe is the issue I don't deal with because I don't have industry friends when you have industry friends they don't expect

you to just be talking about them regularly and Wendy Williams told me years ago when I first came to New York

she said you're either gonna be of the people or of the industry she said there's no in between and that is the absolute [ __ ] truth same way

you get upset with me I've been KNN Joe since at least 2000 too Jo was in my apartment in Columbia me him wax we all

playing [ __ ] Spades together the [ __ ] I'm saying H get this guy so so I understand I can understand why he's

like what the [ __ ] charotte you know what I mean but that's the problem when you have quote unquote friends or Close

Associates in the industry period And I think that's what you deal with all the time Nikki Was Your Girl Nikki well she

was cool with your some of your Peoples no we were raised by some of the same people exactly but you know and I have

never never anything but we have people in common so and then Meek I'm sure you've met Meek before oh yeah I've met

Meek before so when you say Meek's a [ __ ] Meek's soft he's like damn what the [ __ ] probably da that [ __ ] up we kicked it together yeah well he tweeted

last year the fourth of ju said yo and I invited you to open up invite a slaugh house to open up for me one time so all

that fake [ __ ] that I don't give a [ __ ] about I don't care about that [ __ ] fake though I don't care if he extended his hand that means nothing to me I didn't

ask you to go open up somewhere you don't know what I want to do musically our objectives ain't the same [ __ ] like

people keep talking about wins and losses for for somebody to be able to determine that you would have to tell me

what I'm trying to achieve so I don't care about I just don't care about what these industry [ __ ] [ __ ] got to say

and now I'm finally in a position where you I you can't black ball me now you

can't y'all did it last decade here I am still with ability still with resources

on my own accord I'm going say what the [ __ ] I think every single time now so how are you this what I think how are

you just getting in this position now I've been doing radio since 98 I've been fired four times naturally syndicated

show and I ain't never felt like I was in the position where I couldn't say what I wanted to say

period okay so let's go through that then um wait do you don't understand how

artists feel that way or I understand how you just get to that position now I feel like you could have been in this position for at least the past 10 years

D [ __ ] the industry wasn't set up for that charlem man I got signed to Death Jam in ' 01 right um Kevin and all them

left la re came R&B man I don't [ __ ] with him he ain't he don't [ __ ] with me so that's fine I left there and was

trying to be uh trying to be Forward Thinking knowing that uh digital was the

way to go and I went and [ __ ] with some upstar and they was [ __ ] [ __ ] and then they sold my contract to E1

that's how I got on E1 I a [ __ ] with them neither so now 70 albums later here I am I could I

couldn't be in that position my lawyers I've trust me I've tried I fought with labels my whole career a lot of people

don't know the Joe Button story but the those that do everything I'm saying and doing makes all the sense in the world technically you technically you was the

puppet I was a puppet okay I was a [ __ ] puppet you better [ __ ] believe I was a puppet like I said on my

show my last time coming to breakfast club I didn't want to [ __ ] come to no [ __ ] Breakfast Club it's not CU I have I feel the way about y'all but our

agendas aren't I don't want to come there and heal this woman be the [ __ ] [ __ ] I just don't want to do it [ __ ]

that but you got to have your album and that H what are you talking about my album no you don't I tell artist that

[ __ ] all the time I get on radio right now I get on ihart every day and I tell artists y'all don't need [ __ ] radio

radio does not reflect what is accurately going on in the culture right now I agree I get on iHeart Med as a

radio personality and say that but I'm a puppet that makes no sense none

whatsoever I can't be a puppet when I don't uh go with your agenda Joe when I don't agree with something that you do

that's not and then be a real guy in radio when I'm [ __ ] on somebody that you agree with me [ __ ] on I never

care whether I agree or disagree with somebody and maybe what was said on the podcast well I'm going to always um

maybe that was the puppet part maybe that was a little out of pocket or maybe when I leave here and I can really sit

deep in my thought maybe I can think of something where I can argue that and I just can't do it right now I don't know I'm not that invested I don't care about

it but my main point to you we got to a while ago just who I think you are and

just thinking that you above certain things especially with just some of the [ __ ] but that that's all I mean yeah and

I was a puppet think I think I think we've all grown and we've all evolved and I can I can say the same about you

the reason I say that is like when I hear you on the podcast and you say me is a [ __ ] uh the views I want to stop

saying me is a [ __ ] huh do I say me is a [ __ ] yes you said he was a [ __ ] you might have I wouldn't doubt it but but I

feel like I have a bad memory too but I wouldn't but I feel like you're above that ever call somebody you're above that as a OG veteran MC a [ __ ] yes you

said you look like a [ __ ] I look like and being is two different things I'm joke stop are you finish you done stop it Jo you look like a [ __ ] you a [ __ ]

so so so my thing is like you I feel like you're above certain things I be like why are you putting yourself in that situation okay let's talk about

that real quick because I couldn't understand what was wrong the award show I would think everybody with a podcast

would be talking about the awards but you're a little different we always go to that you are you're an

artist so this is this is weird to me we always go you're an artist oh Jesus when

that happened everyone people on Twitter said Joe should stick to podcasting but

then when he's on a podcast you can't podcast you're a rapper can someone explain that to me

yeah the [ __ ] changes stop listening to commenters man I'm not saying y saying that but that was a popular opinion it

keeps going back and forth saying yo rap no no you can't you're a podcaster you're a podcaster you can't speak cuz

you're a rapper like y got to make find a thing to hate about right that's what they do that's what do for but your

supporters are saying that Andrew we're talking about [ __ ] industry people [ __ ] them you

got out the industry for that reason [ __ ] um industry people who else are we saying [ __ ] I'm saying if you're in a

position tool I didn't say that I didn't say that because of the quote unquote haters charlot man had just brought just

said you can't do that you're not just somebody yeah but he he's in a you guys are in a position where you are

autonomous right you you create you really control your destiny and youve you've worked to create that now that

position so how you going to care about what the industry says now when they don't affect your L if if you've been

watching recently I don't but we were commenting on it right now that's what was applying

to char talking to him how do we know this is real though how do we know that this isn't just some I'm going to pretend to be the big bad Rebel of Hip

Hop for attention oh you don't the people that have followed me know I've

never done anything for attention if anything I've always tried my best to shy away from it and that goes back to

our point my words and my actions always match I have never done anything for attention ever but you can see why of

the first the biggest guy in the world we thought it was a reach for ATT if he was trying to get attention making a murder would not have been six minutes

long it would have catered to Drake's fans it would have been an easy pallet for them to digest you're not going to win that with the fans I know and that's

that's not a draw for attention that's why you got to Ser did those records to personally [ __ ] with Drake yeah I could

see that you weren't you that's why cuz the strategy was all bad if you was actually trying to create a perception

of I'm Wasing this dude cuz I would have just waited I would have waited till French records Dro then put that would have been the smart thing to do if it

was all business ask my manager my manager is a white Jewish guy who keep

trying to make all the money right yeah great I love him for it know what I keep doing no Ian stop it stop it's not about

that right now Ian stop it stop it stop it stop it this is creative rap person it's not about move it and I don't want

you hey don't call Pitchfork don't send everything over here no I don't want so that's who I've always been I can't

prove that to people who don't know me and have not been following me I can't and I also like to point out that every

time you drop a disc record senseless killings happened you dropped the first making a murderer [ __ ] up out Alon

Sterling phando Castile died then you dropped another one Dallas shooting happened you dropped Sunday and freaking

the Baton r shooting unfortunately the world that we live in well which why there was which why there

was a freedom freestyle in between all that yeah did you hear my freedom freestyle that I tweeted it was dope I

tweeted out I said it on breakfast it it was so dope that I can't listen to it no more I get angry I can't watch the video

cuz I get angry I get angry I can't I'm not going to front watch that's what's happening in the world so but people keep on my bad if I was a hater if I

really hated Joe Buttons or I had some type of agenda I don't think you hate me I just think if one point you wanted to [ __ ] toi so I just what [ __ ] has

nothing to do with this I can't prove it yo what would what would me did you want

to [ __ ] to Harry who wouldn't [ __ ] to Harry but did you want to was this part of your agenda were you trying to make

Joe look stupid what would me [ __ ] on Joe have to do with me [ __ ] the I don't know people do that all the time I

can [ __ ] the on my own Merit if if I that's why I be telling the new kids today like y'all can [ __ ] these girls on your own maror you have to use uh other

men why would I like why would I [ __ ] on Joe like yeah but okay so from this like getting jerked off on that's all I want

to know for a year one [ __ ] Year Joe can you just wink if it's a yes I'm not

doing oh you're asking that cuz she said that on um on our podcast yeah yeah she said so why you asking me if she was on

your P I don't ever want to talk about Terry ever I'm don't I want to I want to move past that part of my life for her

that's not where I am in life I support her did you say you get off on her is that what you just said did you disagree

to what I just brought up I don't remember now cuz [ __ ] this

[ __ ] oh I lost it again this guy is crazy listen

um I hope all your questions and everything got answered I hope this conversation was productive in some way shape or form uh Joe Buttons is crazy

that's just all it boils down to Crazy a Jay and um I I think the this records that you put out were

dope whether they were dope or not because music is all relative it lent some pause over there

you're going to have to sit with that Apple marketing team and come up with some [ __ ] but see that's my thing he's so strategic cuz when you did the you

did making of a murderer then you did the next one I felt like you was just trying to you were so impressed by Drake strategy because I saw you Tweeting

about how dope his strategy was with me that you was just same strategy you was even tweeting

scary hours like you did you got your Milana Trump on I don't know if Drake Str Drake Drake I've been lost so I

don't I got to catch up on that um Drake strategy was amazing but Meek made made

it real easy the difference between meek and I he well of that Meek cares a lot I

don't so when you have all these people saying these things Meek that's what killed Meek it wasn't really it wasn't

really that that he took so long with the response it was how he reacted to all that was happening it showed him to

be very emotional and just handled some things poorly it's because of that he don't even tweet no more today he took all his Antics to Instagram cool but the

Twitter fingers time out but Joe Button now I don't care don't you think if you know knowing that Drake plays chess the

way he does don't you think it would have been better like put out that record then you bomb on him the last time I saw that happened was the dip set

when Nas went in and they came out with three heaters back back too long not

really well been two months end of July got the if you wasn't on Aderall you'd

have more patience no could no I'm with the rap I'm always with the rap [ __ ] I think the same result would have

happened it would have been the same Drake fan saying Joe is washed up he just killed you he just said pump pump it up and it would have been it and

again again wait time out time out but wait but wait time out again and if you want me to say it

oh no I don't want to give my plan away so I can't but I'm never letting him I'm not with prevent defense I'm not letting

no [ __ ] strike first I know what you about to say I'm not gonna wait for the biggest rapper in the world to [ __ ]

say some [ __ ] no [ __ ] I'm on your ass but it's different when and I've been like that my whole career any rapper know you say my [ __ ] name I'm on your

ass I don't give a [ __ ] who it is and I don't care if you're a better rapper me and HOV done did it Jay watched you on

your Pump It Up joint and then kept dissing me kept dissing me yeah I don't know what tell me tell me some lines

have you reminder have you ever her reminder yeah reminder reminder on blueprint 3 D yeah and me and him is

definitely over at that [ __ ] just still bombing away wasin game caught all the subliminals on

Blue hell no people are hearing differently man JayZ is a genius and one

of the most Brilliant Minds hip hop has ever seen abely and he's did it his way

you better believe and that [ __ ] be [ __ ] sending them shots out there and I hear him but I love him so much and I I've grown a mature I'm P all that [ __ ]

you but Jay diss me for a long time will you and Drake ever be cool and smoke hookah again and [ __ ] together now I

would have [ __ ] met hookah with a a pineapp we can do that right this second

just know that you will never be able to stand in the same park as me when it come to MCN and I said on The Breakfast Club Yesterday I do want to see I would

if Drake responded to you I think it would be dope because I want to see what level I want to see what level his BS can get to cuz great competition brings

out the best in you that's interesting yeah and it's not like Drake is whack when it comes to the rap but you could take Meek out easy meek doesn't have the

bars you're going to make his pen work first of all somebody's pen work going make

somebody's pen work Rory dream Chas is gonna jump you and Melly gonna smack the [ __ ] out you yo I want no

parts I've been Dream Chasers y'all y'all gonna hit somebody hit a real [ __ ] hit me I've been very

vocal I'm want no parts of the street you're too old to still want to be a real [ __ ] bro that's I always want to be real that's the difference between I

guess I guess that's I guess that's why our be a real man at this point in my

life I don't care about that real [ __ ] sh you too to be a real we too old to be real [ __ ] Jo we the same age we too

old to be real [ __ ] bro no no Street [ __ ] yes same thing Street [ __ ] tough that's not true you just challenge

[ __ ] to come fight you I don't do that kind of [ __ ] I didn't challenge them yes you did you said you want to smack Rory don't Smack Rory come smack defending

he's defending a friend said don't Smack Rory smack me hit why you say the way smack none of us you the one that or

smack none of us you want to smack someone don't Smack no one why you just why you just say me I'm sorry know I was

wrong I started I said he he said that but why not keep saying that but all right no n he's finished and he done

Char if the Dream Chasers do come in here and try to [ __ ] me up I will immediately say I'm just the podcast guy

why didn't you hit party next door and Drake like that immed that's exactly what you should say

that's immediately what I'm going to do I'm just the podcast but you know who can't say that the real [ __ ] the real

[ __ ] can't say you can say that listen yeah uh Dream Chaser oio chug we don't want no no one should

get hit that's real rap lives matter true all of my [ __ ] is rap [ __ ] yes I

would hate for this to escalate I was a part of hip-hop when shootings were occurring every single day and I would

hope that all of us are bright enough to not want to go there especially with the world we live in the first thing somebody thinking is you ain't do no shooting Joe I hope would hope not no

I'm not I've never claimed to be street or tough my entire career there you go ever and I don't and I don't want that

so just know Joe is all rap all rap and podcast okay all right how do y'all end

y podcast what do y'all say real [ __ ] signing as always always if you listen

to this podcast you think we're smart you think we're intelligent you think we're brilliant you're absolutely right if you listen to this podcast and think we're just a couple idiots you're right

too what how you no I just wanted to make sure y'all mention yall was idiots and why Marissa didn't come she don't [ __ ] with us because of her affiliation

with other radio stations no that's not true she actually wanted to come here yeah she wanted to come Marissa used to be my dog at one point but my my my only

thing with Marissa was she seemed to be uncomfortable every time uh Rory and I talked about the Drake stuff so I didn't

want to invite her here because I knew that that would be the conversation she's a drake fan probably well she [ __ ] don't want to lose their

political connection I mean I don't know I haven't spoken to her about it I have never spoken to her about it I just watch her face when Rory and I talk

about it what what political you know that's my she never said she works in the music industry she never said that

to me got you that's me saying that and I respect it own all right brilliant idiot [ __ ] I'll name this podcast later

thank you for listening I gotta PE