78

You know what time it is. You've heard

the other

podcasts. Now make way. I'm going to one

day I'm going to make a real stupid ass

intro like these other bum [ __ ] have.

I think you just uh You've heard we left

the rest for the rest of the

week. Now prepare. Now that [ __ ] is real

corny. I'll name this podcast later.

Episode number 78. I'm your host, Real

[ __ ] That's what I'm going to be

addressed as today. You know what I

mean? formally. Uh, now we'll talk about

me later. Uh, across from me I have Rory

Lanes. To my right I have Ammani in town

for five days and five days only. He's

been eating all types of vegan punk [ __ ]

all day. Gluten e uh gluten-free eat

eggs. The [ __ ] said he wanted to have

some eggs. When a [ __ ] look at you and

say, "Yo, I really been just craving

some eggs." That [ __ ] hasn't

seen a deli in 2 years. God damn it. The

[ __ ] can't have a egg. I really have no

comment. So, we got Armani in the

building for one time, one time only.

Uh, Maul is here. What up, Maul? What

up? Mac is here, but Mac ain't just

gonna say nothing. He just dared like

he's mall security. I don't know what's

going on, man. [ __ ] better not say

nothing wrong to mall. [ __ ] Mac arms is

huge. Uh, and Beatatric is here.

Hey. So, listen. We got a lot of [ __ ] to

talk about. So, I don't even want I

don't Well, wait. Break Oh, breaking

news. Breaking news. Wait, breaking

news. Beatress just broke news. As soon

as I'm ready to kill the [ __ ] white

devil who tried to bring the black man

down, my man Chris Brown. Beatatric says

Chris Brown was arrested. He was Why? I

don't know. It doesn't say why he was

arrested. It just says we know why. Cuz

he pulled a gun. I don't know why he was

arrested. Why was he arrested?

Why you think? Well, he was arrested cuz

they want to arrest him. Let's be clear.

Well, a young lady accused him of

pulling a gun on her in his home.

In his home, but then they came and they

left. No, they the SWAT The SWAT came

the They brought they pulled 50 cars up

to his house. Uh, and then they left

apparently and he didn't get arrested.

Are you trying to have us make sense of

cop behavior? Cuz I don't think we're

going to get very far. I just want to

know what the charge is. A chick came on

TMZ and said uh he pulled a gun to me in

his house. So police showed up because

he's Chris Brown. Okay. So All right. So

let's talk about this story for for a

second before we All right. So today's

Wednesday, even though it's Tuesday, but

it's Wednesday. So that means that if

it's t Monday night, Chris Brown, who

I'm sure can have a million hoes and IG

thoughts and escorts at his house at the

drop of a dime, had a wild party, was

minding his business doing whatever he

was doing. And my story, I'm going to

put drugs in the scene because who has a

fun party without drugs and hoes and

friends. And if you have all those

things around and you're a high-profile

celebrity, I would hope that a weapon is

somewhere near just in case. Chris Brown

has had incidents with stalkers coming

to his house. He's had a few incidents

with stalkers coming to his house. He

should probably stop having these

parties, but outside of that, so he's

trying to have a blast, goes to bed,

wakes up, the SWAT is there, helicopters

are there, mad police are there, and and

apparently an uninvited guest. I'm

really bad at detailing these things. An

uninvited guest, no, an invited guest

brought two chicks with him that were

not invited. I don't know what happened

from there. Well, her story was I

listened to the sound clip. Her story

was they were at Chris Brown's house. Uh

someone was selling jewelry. I'm not

sure if Chris Brown's house also has a

barber shop and someone walked in and

said, "Here's some jewelry." But she

said, "Ooh, that one's pretty." And

touched it and then they wowed out on

her for possibly trying to steal this

necklace. And then Chris Brown put out a

gun and said, "Get the [ __ ] out of my

house." I can see it. I can

you see that? Because I just have a wild

imagination. That's Joe behavior.

Hey, I have never stolen. But you know

what's funny about this mall? This story

did remind me of when I had to kick home

girl out the crib. I was telling Earl,

remember when we had that it was the

pool party and then the next morning and

we're not going to say her name, but

Shorty was whing cuz [ __ ] April was

there. Oh, remember? Yes. That was It

brought me right back there. So, I do

have some He definitely almost got a gun

pulled out.

1,000%. Uh, not by me. Not by me. Not by

me. I don't own any weapons. A a

registered person. A registered

weapon. But, uh, so yeah. Apparently, so

this girl allegedly called TMZ. No.

Before she called the police. I don't

think that's alleged. I think that No,

that's a fact. That's a fact. That's a

fact. Her first call wasn't placed to

the police. It was placed at TMZ.

I'm reading here. Jesus, that's crazy.

I'm I'm reading here. It says that um

Chris Brown threw a duffel bag out the

window with two guns and drugs to the

cops. All right. I read that earlier,

too. But he threw it to the police. No.

No. He threw it out his out his window.

Got you. Okay. Um that's some idiot [ __ ]

to do. Especially when you got

helicopters. I don't hear nothing you

saying. E. Yeah. I got to get Well,

yeah, that's some idiot [ __ ] to do.

Especially when you have helicopters

hovering over your crib the whole time.

Has that been confirmed though? It just

doesn't make any sense. I don't know if

that's how true could that be. If that

happened then, I think that would have

been enough to arrest him at that

moment. Why did it take this long to

arrest him then? Now, is Chris Brown on

probation, parole, something? I know he

had to do 9 million years of community

service that I think he's in the clear

with all that. Yeah, he's not. So, he

should be he should be good, but even

when you good, you're not good. When you

have that history, and unfortunately,

I'm all too familiar with having

domestic things on your jacket, even if

you're cleared, they don't give a [ __ ]

because it's it's such a high-profile

sensitive. So, but why they I'm still on

them sending and spending those type of

resources out there on that if the girl

was somewhere safe and sound. Now, they

say the backstory here is that this girl

is cool with the baby mom's. We know the

baby moms don't like Chris Brown or I

don't know what they said. The daughter

was there royalty then royalty magically

got home somehow. I don't know what the

[ __ ] happened. How did the baby get home

while the [ __ ] is pointing a gun at the

jewelry? What happened? Apparently

they're saying that this girl it wasn't

her first time hanging out with Chris

Brown. She's hung out with them Justin

Bieber. Like this isn't this isn't her

first Oh, she's a [ __ ] Isn't that not

her first rodeo? Oh, come on. The way

she made it sound on TMZ, she was like,

"No, I know Chris so well. I hung out

with him once two years ago with Justin

Bieber. I was not around who done them

felt the same way. He might not even

recognized you. I mean, if TMZ is your

first call after you just had a p a gun

pulled out to you, you're definitely

She's doing interviews in Australia. Do

we think the baby mother plotted this?

What are your motives? Do I think she

plotted the the baby mom? I have two of

those. Is she Is she smart? Them things

get spifful when you I was about to say

I can't answer this without all my

baggage coming right to the forefront

here. So, I'm going to steer clear of

that one. I don't

know. I do. Them kids are spiteful boy.

Listen, let me tell you something. Chris

got it bad, man. That's a spiteful

woman. She going to do something crazy

and she probably did. Now, listen. a few

months ago and I hate I hate that this

podcast always acts as like a

premonition of sorts where I get that

but a few months ago we spoke about

Chris Brown. I didn't think I was saying

anything groundbreaking when I said I

worry about Chris Brown. I pray for

Chris Brown. He doesn't look well to me.

You know, we said all of that. That's

been the consensus for over a year.

Okay. to people that have a brain and

can see someone that clearly needs does

substance abuse and need some mental

help as well. All right, time out cuz

this is I I also have this question.

Quick sidebar. If everyone in hip-hop is

abusing

substances, right? Because most people

in hip-hop are abusing substances. Can

we agree there? I would say so. So, how

most people in hip-hop are abusing

substances? The younger this generation

I think is Yeah. Yeah. [ __ ] This is the

new hippie era. The the old generation

is abusing substances. Most people in

hip-hop are abusing substances. Most

people in the world I wouldn't even say

hip world. Okay. But I'm going to keep

it on hip-hop. You're right. With the

drugs now, you can maintain a bit better

being addicted to these drugs than you

could say dust. But it's more it's more

we're in an era where drugs are

definitely like but my question wait I

want to get my question out. My question

is though if most people are abusing

substances how come we get to pick and

choose who is abusing substances. You

know what I mean? Well that's not what I

was doing by any means. I'm not talking

about you because some people can handle

the substances that they're abusing

better than others. Chris is always on

the front line. It's always something

back to back to back. Like I know a lot

of people who who have abused

substances, but they still can maintain

a regular life. They still go about

their day. They still pay their bills.

They don't get in no trouble. And then

you have those people who abuse them and

it [ __ ] their whole life up. So I think

he might be one of those type of people

where he can't handle the substances

that he's indulging in. So then I was

talking to Ammani earlier when this

story was breaking, right? And I said,

"You know what? As much as I would love

to say because you know the first thing

we want to say for people after a string

of incidents uh is it's over for Chris

Brown. I said as much as I would like to

say that he's too talented for me to

ever say that it's over for Chris I

don't give a [ __ ] what happened. And

then E

said which made my brain get to get to

working out here. E said well what was

Chris Brown's last hit?

What was his last song? I I don't know.

I couldn't answer his last hit. He just

put out a song a couple of days ago. I

mean, that's No, listen. Chris Brown to

me is the to me uh the most talented guy

that we have in music overall just as

far as what he does in all levels of

entertainment. I have him tied with

Jamie Fox. I've said that one A and one

B. He's a good actor. He's two most

talented people. Great performer. Uh

he's just an overall talented dude. But

he put out the royalty project which

that was asked. Can we all agree? I

won't say ass. I just it wasn't as good

as the others. I'm not a huge Chris

Brown fan of music. So, and then Oh, you

brother. Oh, I'm a huge fan.

The project before that cuz he put out a

mixtape right before he put that royalty

album out and it was like maybe 20

something. It was a lot of songs um that

didn't really go over too well. And then

the X project I think was before that.

But I like good records on that. No, no,

no. Listen, which ones? No, he has good

records on there. discovered uh he has

good records on there. Back to Sleep was

really good. Back to Sleep was a good

record. Back to Sleep was great. Back to

Sleep was great all three times they did

it. Sans Anthony Hamilton. So can So we

could probably say

that talking about talking about Anthony

Hamilton. Don't ever do that again.

Don't [ __ ] do that again. Anthony

Hamilton. Wait, Anthony Hamilton did

that with R. Kelly and Tank on the same

song. Don't [ __ ] do that again,

Anthony. And then we love you. But no.

All right. So you what you were saying?

All right. So, do we consider Back to

Sleep a hit? Yeah, it is. Okay. So,

that's his last that's his that's his

last his last album. Yeah. So, he's

currently still producing hit records.

Was was um was liquor on that album,

too? Yep.

Yeah. I don't think that Well, hit that

a hit. Sing liquor to me. Something in

his liquor. Oh, come on. Oh, come on.

Come on. Come on. It was a good

definitely not

something Chris don't knock it off. A

dope record though, guys. That was a

dope record.

Look at look

at Zero was another record that was on

Zero was a good record, but it wasn't

really like people didn't go crazy over

Zero. Like you didn't see people

dancing. I when when when we talked

about this earlier, I was just pointing

out that there is a decline in

um the demand even though he's still in

dem like he's still Chris Brown, but as

far as the the he's put out music

consistently at this point. What was his

peak? What was his peak then? His peak

was um it's declining now. I'm just

curious where it started.

I think his peak was right. I think I

think he hit this girl. I feel like that

that that's when he was at his highest.

That's forever came out. That's when he

was like the Winter Fresh commercial. I

never forget that. Like Yeah, that was

really big. And the sponsor must have

hurt to lose. Anyways, you know what? I

won't say that because he still had a

great he still had a great run after

Deuces. It took him a while. Yeah, but

it wasn't it wasn't like that. He was a

pop pop star. Like he's still a pop

star. Don't get it don't get it [ __ ]

up. Chris pop star. He's a different

type of pop star, but he's still a pop

star. I think the general public is

Chris Brown a pop star. Yes, I think he

undeniably he's a pop star. I'm only

asking. I don't I wouldn't know pop

star. I'm underground urban artist. He

wouldn't we he wouldn't be getting this

type of I think but I do think the

people that are buying his albums now

and keeping him afloat is the urban

market. I don't think it's the pop

market. I don't think Justin Bieber's

fans are buying his album. I I think

Drake fans are buying I think it's the

other way around. How so? Because we

don't buy albums point blank anyways.

But we support singles.

But

cool. Why is this a conversation? Chris

Brown's album sales and Justin's Bieber

Justin Bieber's album sales should never

be in the same sentence ever. I'm going

by the demographic that typically buys a

Justin Bieber album is pop is a pop

demographic. The point I was trying to

make number wise, I'm saying a

demographic. What I was trying to say to

you earlier was that uh before I got

interrupted, Justin

Bieber, I feel like he kind of took a

little of that Chris Brown swag a little

bit. Like his music even has that sound

to me now. Let just keep letting Justin

Bieber live. He's going to It's going to

come a time where he's going to run it

headbutt some things and some problems

with the law enforcement. He's on that

[ __ ] already. Exactly. He's just not as

Yeah, but I'm just saying he's not as

Chris Brown was Chris Brown was Justin

Bieber's age. Chris Brown was on top.

Justin Bieber and you got to come closer

to the mic more. Justin Bieber is white

and Canadian. Justin Bieber could go out

with a fully automatic weapon, kill a

mass amount of people, and I think it

would not get the same uh treatment that

Chris Brown is. Well, he's just a kid.

You got to understand that. Yeah.

Exactly. Exactly. I mean, but he's he's

still he's not Is Justin Bieber 25 yet?

No. No. No. No. No. All right. Then when

Chris Brown was How old is Chris Brown?

20 27. 27. Chris Brown was like 22 when

he had the altercation with Rihanna,

though. Exactly. And he wasn't forgiven.

So he was like 25 younger. So okay, so

take everything that Chris Brown did

before that. He was what Justin Bieber

is. He was selling records like that.

There's a difference though. There's a

difference because with Justin, cuz

Justin has been in issues. The

difference with Justin is that when he

goes through these issues, he actually

takes a moment where he chills out.

That's true. Apologetic. That's true.

He'll have his moments where he'll

actually seem like he's remorseful for

the things that he's done. Chris Brown

has outside of that one, you know, uh,

video clip, the YouTube clip, apologize,

he never takes that moment to actually

look like he's taking a second to

reflect and actually change things. Like

with the royalty joint, I thought he was

trying to do that with the with the

album, having his daughter on the album,

and really being a father. That was like

the step forward. Like, I I'm really

going to try to change my my outlook.

But then you still on stage while you

still throwing up the the gang [ __ ]

Well, just to just to add some

perspective here, though. Um, has

everyone in this room uh and I I don't

know. Have you all ever uh did drugs or

or been drunk hangover? I feel like

every I feel like everyone has that

moment when you're inebriated or under

the influence or something where you

think you tweeting or Instagraming some

fire. Yo, you think some fire's coming

out like, "Oh, yo, I even thought of

this shit." And then that next morning

you'll be like, "Holy shit." I feel like

Chris has been there a few times, more

than a few times. What do you think's

the worst job? Being a coal miner or

Chris Brown's publicist? No, his

publicist has to stress. Like, I'm

pretty sure he goes through PR iss

[Laughter]

I don't want to stay on Chris Brown. I

want us to pray for Chris Brown. Uh,

that's all I ever say. Where did Ray

come into this, by the way? Cuz I saw

Ray. Ray J was at the crib. at the crib.

Did he invite the [ __ ] I don't know,

but I saw somebody tweet. Listen, Ray J

just got married. He don't even want to

know he was at that house. Yeah, true.

Why y'all say my name? I told Shorty I

was somewhere else. Nah, Ray J wanted to

be Mixie. He made a video explaining and

doing all that. If you made a video,

what video he made? Yeah, he put it on

Instagram saying what a explaining like,

you know, like I was there. That's

wrong. Y'all shouldn't do that to him.

Celebrities are always so vulnerable.

You know the same. Speaking of Speaking

of pop stars. Good God. That was real.

Ray J has launched a lot of pop moments.

He's underrated and pop moments. Well, I

want to I want to address that. I give a

lot of success to Breakfast Club, too,

because of Ray J. Oh, because uh Ray J

and Fab, right? Yeah. That kind of

popped off. Didn't Ray pop on Fab? Like,

didn't he swing on Fab? Some [ __ ] I was

just thinking about that. No, no, no,

no, no.

I was really thinking about that the

other day. Like he swung on Fab or

something like that, right? Crazy. Did

he miss?

For those that don't know, Ray J went on

Power 105 and gave one of the greatest

radio codoked up rants in history. Just

Google Power 105 and Ray J. And if you

don't do it to the uh [ __ ] what's the

first part of the Dynasty album?

Swinging on Fab is funny only because

Fab is just so cool, man. Like it's like

how you swing on Fab? Like the [ __ ]

Like I'm pretty sure like you could have

just fat and I think Fab said something

like are you serious? Like no you got to

hear Fab talk to Clue about it on the

radio. Fab's [ __ ] story of the whole

thing is the funniest [ __ ] in the world.

He's so cool. So lame. That's why I

don't I I still can't believe that. I I

literally thought about that about two

days ago. If you never met Fab, let me

tell you that Fab is indeed one of the

coolest and comst just people. I don't

think I've ever when I've seen when have

we seen a man ever. Yo, listen. swinging

on Fab is almost the same as when I saw

Salon's swinging on Jay in the elevator.

Like how even in that moment Jay was

still cool like yo chill

like yo chill you bugging you winging

like Jay wasn't yelling like you just

like yo chill like swinging on Fab was

like what are you doing? Yeah it's like

what are you doing? You could easily

just say yo fab. I had a problem with

that. What was Ray Jay's problem with

Fab that day? He tweeted out to to Floyd

Mayweather that Yeah. Remember when that

Ray Jay was on a piano in Floyd

Mayweather's house singing when Floyd

had the 247 and Fab said something about

like no more concerts at Mayweather's

house or some [ __ ]

and then they were at dinner and uh Ray

J was cool with the whole [ __ ] and Diddy

gassed him up and put the battery in his

back. No, 50 gassed him up. Oh, I

thought it was 50 gassed him up. A good

old fifth. Yeah, 50 gassed him and and

he went off. It was funny though. It was

funny. Wait, somebody tweeted that was

some of the best coke blabber I've ever

heard in my life on that radio. Somebody

tweeted earlier. They said who who

thought that Ray J and and uh Chris

Brown would hang out and nothing bad

would

happen for Hey, Ray J. We might have to

Ray J might need an appreciation day.

Yo, he does. I I had tweeted Ray J is

the hero Gotham deserves, but not the

one that's needed right now. Ray's a big

part of pop culture. That's who is like

indirectly he is. Not indirectly. Yo,

it's direct. He's the hero. The hero

Gotham deserves. He's responsible for

the

biggest female. He's tied to Brandy.

That's pretty big. That's big. But at

one point we were just calling him Bry's

little brother, right? So, and now we

[ __ ] he graduated and he's a cool [ __ ]

at this very point. He's Well, no. Let

me No, no, no. Don't do that. Don't do

that. do that. But no, no, no. In

today's culture, in today's climate, he

is bigger than his sister. Yeah.

Right now music though, it's because of

other things.

Well, not put out music. I don't know if

I would say he's bigger than Brandy, but

he's more relevant to me. Okay, that's

what I mean to say. More relevant for

sure. Ray J. Now, also young people, you

young [ __ ] [ __ ] who don't know [ __ ]

about [ __ ] I have Ray J as having the

all-time most disrespectful song ever

made. Uh, Boyfriend. That's my [ __ ]

Boyfriend. I thought you talking about I

Hit It First. No, I was terrible. The

other one is The other one is directly I

think he's directing Bobby Brown.

Boyfriend. He's directly speaking to

Bobby Brown. And if you don't know, Ray

J was allegedly Whitney Houston's

boyfriend while she was married to Bobby

Brown. And the record Boyfriend, if you

go listen to it, and I'm not gonna play

it, but just go listen to it. Got your

sleeper pick this week.

That record is We should do a full RA.

First of all, that record is hard. That

record is hard. Like super hard. And I

don't know a record more disrespectful

than than that. Y'all really love Ray J.

I'm just giving credit where it's due.

Yeah, I'm a fan of radio. Listen, that's

the new You know what the problem? The

new generation because the new

generation don't care about [ __ ] that

happened before it. Like they missed a

lot of dope [ __ ] from [ __ ] So when

they and because the new generation, a

lot of them is sheep. They'll just hear,

"Oh, Ray Corny." Oh, they see Ray on

Love Hip Hop. Ray's corny. Ray J wasn't

corny. He wasn't. You know what? A lot

of people got to stop just calling

anybody they want to call corny and be

the corniest [ __ ] call [ __ ] corny.

It's cool to call call [ __ ] corny

though. That's like the new cool [ __ ]

But can't don't you have to not be corny

to call somebody corny? No. Right. Not

on the internet. Not on the internet.

No. We got to get back to punching

[ __ ] in their face. That just always

that always is my go-to. We have to get

back to that somehow. It brings

structure. All right. So, off of Ray J

and Chris Brown. Well, no. Final point.

Just be wary of who you let in your home

and who you stick your dick in. Cuz

that's that's the problem. That's a

shame that we have to say that today.

Yeah, I thought that was common

knowledge. Look what we're teaching.

Like stars stars. You're now at a point

where you don't have to have these

private parties at your actual house.

Those do be the best parties. Like I get

it. Well, in LA that's what they do,

right? You you can you afford the luxury

to be able to have your like party crib

where you can do all your [ __ ] and

then have your home where you actually

keep that [ __ ] away from. So I think

at this point it's like like you got to

pick and choose where you actually

allowing people to or just hire real

[ __ ] security for your party at your

crib that too. So someone doesn't have

to pull out a gun drag the chick out.

None of this is realistic what we're

saying in LA the the clubs and [ __ ] they

close at 2:00 a.m. and house parties are

the thing. And if you are a man,

especially in in this uh business, you

want [ __ ] there and you ain't going

to know all the [ __ ] You're not

going to know all their backgrounds.

That situation almost no way they could

have avoided that. Yes, it was. He was

home. He was in the privacy of his home.

It was some women there. Something

happened. Would you pull out all that

jewelry in front of random [ __ ] you

don't know? It was somebody selling it.

It doesn't matter. Why are they selling

jewelry in Chris Brown? Sound like a

barber shop. Yeah. It doesn't make any

sense. Well, no. The jewelry, the

jeweler could have just came to the

crib. It could have been an appointment

and he just happened to have people

still there. Well, actually, I'm I'm I'm

I'm just making jokes, but if it's high

class jewelry, premium jewelry, that is

how they sell it. The jeweler's coming

to your house with it in a case. You're

not going somewhere. So, I I can see

that, but that [ __ ] shouldn't have been

nowhere near it. My point exactly.

Nohere near it. So, they could use they

could use practice better judgment and

just discretion. Let's just pray for

Chris Brown. I want to get on to the MTV

Tiana Awards. I mean I mean the TMAs.

Yeah, the Tiana Taylor show. That's what

it is to me.

No, no, I agree. I want to hear your

take on the awards.

Yeah. Now yall talk about cuz Say what

you're going to say. Me I I'm not I'm

past the whole fact that she just looked

good in this [ __ ] cuz we talked about

that already enough. That video was

really dope. Like she was really dope

just as far as the choreography and

everything. Just the imagery of it was

really dope. All right, now let's let's

save it. Let's save her for last. Let's

talk about all the other stuff. Who is

Key and Peele? They are the Don Lemon of

comedy. Don't do that. No. Do y'all know

who they are? That was my first time

seeing them. They had a couple of movies

and stuff. They started from started on

Mad TV. Yeah. Okay. They just put out a

movie. I'm not familiar. Now, let me

start this with Safe. They're safe

comments. Let me start with I'm not

familiar with them, but I did see people

say that they are normally funny, just

not there. So they they're sketch

comedians. I don't think they're host

comedians.

Yeah. I just didn't think they made

sense with what the VMAs are. It just it

it felt like when it first started, I

thought I was on the wrong channel. Like

I promise you, I was like and it just a

weird vibe. So it wasn't just me. No.

After that [ __ ] Kevin Hart hosting

everything doesn't seem so bad. Right.

Okay. So now let's get the homeboy with

the Kevin Hart impersonation. What was

his name? Jay Farrell. Jay Farrell. He's

from Saturday Night Live SNL.

He's funny though. He did the Stephen A.

Smith bit on SNL that went viral. I I He

has a comedy special that's really

funny. My problem with Jay Farrell is we

have we had Ary Spears already. We see

how that went. Ary Spears was really

funny dude from Mad TV 2, but he would

do that impersonation [ __ ] so much that

where it was just like, "All right,

you're not going to tell a joke at no

point." Like, I haven't heard Jay

Farrell tell a joke yet, right?

Like much better than Jay Farrell.

Um, as a comedian, they're about the

same, not just Well, I think Eric Spears

had more of a comic bit around his

impressions, not just doing a straight

impression.

Listen, the problem about being a a

comedian that just does impressions is

after a while, people want to know who

you are. Like, are you funny? We get it

that you can mimic other celebrities and

things like that, but are like, who is

Jay Farrell? And you keep doing the same

for He wasn't that. He wasn't great to

me. I was I was annoyed by him, too.

Now, let's get to who else did they

have? Uh, Khaled. Khaled was Khaled. No,

actually they should have let Khaled

just host the whole thing. Yeah. Let me

tell you how I feel about Khaled.

You say Khaled was Khaled.

Not to people that know Khaled from No,

I get that. I'm saying that was he going

to go act like terror squad Khaled at

the VMAs when he's all No, he going to

act like Snapchat. What what MTV did is

they tried to implement as much social

media fear and influence as they could

because they even had the dude that's

Joanne the scammer like he was in like

the little scene in the Nick Jones

video. Yeah. And it's like you know what

I mean? It's like I get what they were

trying to do like anybody that was on

social media that was kind of like a big

name on social they tried to implement

them into the show somehow. So I get it

but it it didn't work. It bombed. Yeah.

It didn't work. I mean, it it it bombed

to I didn't think I don't think it

bombed, but it seemed like it bombed

just because of the social media aspect

of it cuz I feel like we're already

oversaturated with it on Twitter and

Instagram and then it like now we have

to see it on the VMAs too. But it makes

sense on why they did it. To that to

that point, what I always say when

people are like, why don't they get

someone from Twitter to host a morning

show on high or something like that? A

lot of these people are good on Twitter

because they're introverted and can't

speak to people and because so they're

on camera. They don't move that way.

They move off the internet. So, you put

them in front of a camera and they're

not going to operate the right way

because they're not used to it, nor

their brain does not move that fast.

They have two days to write a tweet. I

take it a step further. It's way

different to host some [ __ ] I think MTV

News is going to be bad and they want

they wanted they wanted the reactions

that they got from social media. I was

reading that um last year's VMAs were

like the ratings were like the worst in

like the last couple of years. So, I see

why they did the social media thing.

They did the social media to get the

people on social media. Whether it's

good or bad, as long as you're

interacting, that's what they and we're

going to watch it together so they

already know. I wasn't familiar with

Kian Peele and I hope I'm saying the

names right cuz I'm not trying to be

funny. Um Jay Pharaoh, even though I've

seen him somewhere before, it just

wasn't good. It didn't come off right.

So, okay. Bong Rihanna opens. Well, I

enjoyed Charlammagne before that, but I

Oh, wait. Charlemagne. Charlemagne.

Charlemagne is hosting uh Yom TV Raps

I'm assuming cuz he had the hat on. That

would be and he's there. That's great. I

think it is too. I thought he was great

um too because that speaks to my point

about Charlemagne. I think that

Charlemagne know is way more hiphop than

his outlets allow him to be. So I think

that's great. And then when I was

talking to whoever I was talking to, we

were trying to figure out who else would

be able to do it. Who else could do your

own TV raps? way. No. Why not? Too old.

Yeah. And I love love love They're

bringing They're bringing back the show,

right?

And it's it's a lot could do what host

It's a lot of young It's a lot of young

It's too many young rappers and it's

just it's definitely off the Yeah. So

y'all think that it should be a young

host? No, I like Charlemagne. I think

it's I think that's good. He It's the

the right amount of knowledge and the

right amount of money and he's going to

check people. Well, let's It should be

someone who this generation identifies,

right? Or identifies with

couldn't do it. He's old to this

generation. He's old guard, old

regime. Sway is old guard, old regime.

You need this guard, this regime to do

it, right? And and under those circum uh

under those pretenses, who could do it?

I wait. that isn't old. I mean, no, no,

they could be I don't care about their

age really. I know I keep using that

word, but you know what? Only only

because uh he has experience being like

a lead mic and stuff. I can see Envy

doing it.

He's also Envy not good on his mic that

he on. What are you talking about?

Envyy's bad on the air as an A mic.

Yeah, that's crazy. Envy is not a good A

mic. He's not for that show. He is. I

don't agree with that. But I mean I mean

I feel like Envy if he were a good A mic

they wouldn't have two other A mics with

him. I mean it's a morning show. You

have to keep people's attention. So if

you have Envy Envy is amazing for the

live radio. Charlemagne is great for

those YouTube interview videos. People

click it to watch what Charlammagne's

going to say. But to stay tuned on that

radio. I don't think Charlemagne could

do what Envy does as a a mic to a person

in their car driving to work. Oh, you

got Charlemagne [ __ ] up.

No, I don't think Charlemagne would be

bad at it. I just think Envy's better

because he's been doing it forever. I

mean, he's done it in Philly.

Charlemagne's done it before. I didn't

My focus wasn't to talk about this for

this long. Like, I just wanted to say

that when I saw Charlemagne there, I was

trying to figure out why Charlemagne was

there. And then he had the hat on and I

said, "Oh [ __ ] that's a great I mean,

he's in the Viacom family, so they

typically try to use the people that

have TV shows with them." Yeah. But they

was giving him a lot of a lot of uh a

lot of camera time. So I couldn't figure

out why. I was trying to think of his

shows. He hosted the pre-show. Ariana

Grande was funny as [ __ ] too. But I'm

assuming that he was hosting the

pre-show because of your MTV raps he's

hosting. Makes sense. They're promoting.

They're plugging. I figured. Yeah,

they're crossromoting 100%. You know who

would be a good host for your MTV Raps?

Somebody like Whiz Khalifa.

I like it. I think Whiz would be dope.

See, I like that. But he behind as a

kite. That's all right. And that would

be dope. And that would be dope. And

that would be dope. Yeah. All right.

What else happened at the woods? I don't

care enough about young on TV raps to

talk about Taylor happened. Beyonce

happened. Beyonce happened. Beyonce

always happens. Beyonce happened. Bro,

listen.

Beyonce definitely happened. Me and me

me and Maul had we had a little

discussion on it was a real small

discussion on um Twitter about Beyonce

and Michael. So I'm I'm of the belief

there's Michael and then there's Beyonce

just as performers just when it comes to

that stage [ __ ] I'm not. No, listen

listen listen. And I'm a huge Mike fan.

Listen. After really sitting down and

breaking it down and not being so biased

because I'm always going to be biased

with Mike. Beyonce might be the best

performer we've got on the [ __ ] out of

here. [ __ ] [ __ ] y'all are talking about.

Beyonce walked around for 15 minutes

whispering. That's not No, no. Don't do

you. I'm trolling. I'm trolling. I'm

trolling. I'm trolling. I'm trolling.

I'm trolling. I'm trolling. I'm

trolling. I'm trolling. That's a troll.

It's a troll. Hey, everyone. The views

of Joe But his and his but let me say

this cuz I was talking about this with

Earlier. Of course, Beyonce was amazing.

Beyonce is amazing. Every time we see

her, she looked amazing. The performance

was amazing. Everything was mechanical.

Bang bang bang. Shame. Miss a [ __ ]

beat, right? Or a note. My thing with

with the performance, and this is why I

maybe felt uh

away when I saw the lemonade movie,

right? I don't think that this was so

much different from what I got from that

one. Right. Two, would we would we call

this album a concept album from Beyonce?

Yes. Right. Yeah. I think my problem

lies there with concept albums. Once I

hear it, I'm not just rushing back to

Tell me the songs that you rush back to

on that Beyonce concept album, which is

a great album. Well, let's be clear. I'm

I'm not a Beyonce music fan. Yeah. I

don't think she makes music for me and

or me. She don't really [ __ ] with

[ __ ] Yeah, that's But but I do.

She's not really on our shits on us all

the time, right? But I I'm I'm not a fan

of her music, but I respect her to the

highest regard musically, you know, if

that sounds I don't if it sounds weird,

I'm I'm trying to explain it. Like I

don't buy I don't have any of her music

in my phone and my laptop, but I listen

to it. Like when it came out, I listened

to it. I'm like, she did it again. So I

can't ask you that question. But I'm

just talking about as an entertainer, as

a performer. Oh, bar none. She has

surpassed Michael

Jackson as far as I'm concerned. How

about I don't know if I I'm only I'm

only saying that because Okay, it's like

this. When when Mike came along, right,

there were there were people who grew up

watching James Brown who felt like James

Brown was the greatest entertainer ever,

right? But then when Mike came along, at

some point those same people had to say

this this he's the one. That's true.

Yeah. And before James Brown, it was

Jackie Wilson. Mhm. So when James came

along, those who thought Jackie Wilson

was the greatest was like, "No, this boy

here is it." So it people people think

that it's it's a problem when you chase

great entertainers and you surpass them.

Like I said on Twitter that Beyonce is

now the greatest performer that probably

has ever lived. And people went crazy

like I was trying to discredit Michael

Jackson in some I'm not discrediting

anything that Michael Jackson did. I'm a

huge Michael Jackson fan. But what do

you base this on? looking at her the

past however many years since she's been

in the industry and how much she's grown

and and what she's accomplished and

every time you see her, she's damn near

flawless. She's been flawless for quite

some time. So, we have to so we have to

start She's been flawless the whole

career. Yeah. So, we have to start just

giving putting her at that point where

it's like what does she have to do for

her to surpass Mike at this point? I've

seen she's never going to sell probably

as many records because in a different

era. We going to get that. But in this

era, if she would otherwise, every time

she steps on the stage, like visually,

her costumes, the choreography, she got

[ __ ] blowing up all over the place.

Like, she's [ __ ] the female mic. I don't

even want to She's the greatest

entertainer that I have ever seen.

Period. I'm not I'm not just rolling

with she's the greatest female. No, she

is the greatest entertainer that has

ever lived. Period. The the only the

only reason why I I put her before Mike

is because vocally

Mike had a period where he was really

great and then he slipped. Like you

couldn't really get a great vocal

performance from Mike towards the end.

Beyonce has simply been she's perfect

vocally as well. She's actually gotten

stronger. She's gotten stronger. Like

she's not just someone who's up there

dancing, busting the ass. She's doing

all that and still sounding great. Well,

now that was the part that was amazing.

She was doing all that she Well, every

time you see her, she always is doing

everything she's doing and singing.

That's why I specifically said didn't

miss a note. Remarkable. All the

movement she was doing. Didn't miss a

note. On key, not off pitch. And then

people were saying Chris Brown, I mean,

Mike doesn't dance. I said Chris Brown's

a greater dancer than Mike. And that's

[ __ ] What? And we talking about

strictly a dancer. Chris Brown is a

better hip-hop dancer than Michael

Jackson. A better dancer than Michael

Jackson ever was. He's a better athlete.

He can do back flips. Listen, listen.

Listen. I challenge anybody to go back

right now and look at all Michael

Jackson footage. It's always the same.

It's the same.

I love Michael Jackson. Let me tell you

something. Hold on. Speak over each

other. Chill. Chill. Chill. Let me tell

you something. Let me tell you

something.

Michael Jackson did that because that

was his niche. The moves were so strong

at a certain point where you had to do

it. You could not remove that from the

show. That's what made his show great.

But if you go and do your research,

Michael did every form of dance from

from him being a kid to now. He did tap,

he did ballet, he he did he can do

anything and mimic it. Chris Brown has

not solidified any type of dance moves.

He's just good at the mic solidified.

You can't do a spin. You can't do a spin

without thinking about Michael. You

can't do a moonwalk without thinking

about You got that from Jack and J.

Wait, what? What are you talking about?

Michael Jackson didn't invent turning

around. We didn't say that. We didn't

say that. I'm saying you can't think of

you cannot think about Michael without

that h like when that happened. I can

definitely think about turning around

without thinking of Michael Jackson. So

So when someone spins, we don't equate

that to a Michael Jackson move. No, I

don't. [ __ ] Okay, now listen.

Listen. I understand what you're saying,

but that's only helping my argument

because Mike did the same goddamn move

so many times that you have to say,

"Okay, that's now the Michael Jackson."

That's a part of his show. Michael would

do that. He would wear the same [ __ ]

That's a part of his show. Sidebar real

quick, cuz I'm not letting Maul and E

have the same argument that they've been

having. You I don't think that Ammani

can objectively talk about Michael

Jackson. Number one, he's in here better

ready to swing on Maul. Like, I just

said that Beyonce's a a greater per uh

performer than him. I want to get back

to that Beyonce thing. My bad. My bad.

Cuz that was that was that was that was

uh food for thought there. Well, Jay

came out and said Beyonce is the

greatest performer ever, but he's

biased.

But just a bit. I mean, I'm I'm in

agreeance now. When he said it, I

wasn't. I was kind of fighting. I've

been to a couple Beyonce shows, maybe

all of them, and she really is

phenomenal. I've never saw Michael, you

know, obviously I didn't see Michael

Jackson, but she's like a different type

of animal. It's it's literally two hours

of non-stop singing and moving. I know

Beyonce has that stigma, but like in

tangible things here, Michael just had

the king stigma like in the whole world.

Every male, female, every age. I don't

know if Beyonce has that for every

walking human being. The way Michael had

that. That's to my point about men are

running after Michael the same way women

are, but men aren't doing that for

Beyonce. The gays are running after

Beyonce. That's all you need. Wait, but

Michael has the gays, too. Why is that a

point? The gay bad business. Men men,

straight men are not running after

Beyonce. No. At her shows, no, they're

not doing it. We've seen Mike be Mike in

Korea. We've seen people faint. I mean,

I don't know if that has anything to do

with performing or entertaining, but

which is the point. It does. There was

two million people in the soccer stadium

to see, Mike. I mean, they was passing

out cuz they couldn't breathe. Let me

tell you what I thought about Let me

tell you. No AC.

Let's just be real here. Like, we got to

start dissecting these moments of time.

Like, I get it. Like, oh my god, Michael

Jackson. But a lot of that had to do

with there's 45,000 people pushing me in

my back right now. I'm nervous. I have

I'm claustrophobic and Mike is on stage.

Wait, but

wait. But listen, I to to your Beyonce

point though and and and I don't I don't

know if this is just my weird brain or

Beyonce, but so I was on Instagram and I

saw pictures of them on the carpet,

right? You know, everybody was on the

carpet. And I bumped into the this one

picture of Beyonce and it was Beyonce.

It was uh two little girls. I don't

think either of them were blue, right?

And she had her her friends with her.

She definitely had a daughter with her

though. Blue was there. Oh, Blue was

there. Yeah. But I'm just talking about

this one picture. I don't think Blue was

in it. Okay. And the girl to her right,

she they were all standing in their

salange black power superhero woman

stance, right? The cast of lemonade, yo.

Huh? That's the cast of Lemonade. Well,

I don't know. I'm not well verssed in

[ __ ] Hey, you know what? That's the

cast of Lemonade. You sound crazy. I'm

trying to help you. Listen, the girl

next to her though with the uh bleach

skin, dude. Do you What's her name?

Winnie. [ __ ] you ain't trying to know

her name. She's gorgeous. She's a model.

She's And it's not bleached skin. She

was born that way. It's a It's an actual

She's beautiful with it. Gorgeous. But I

stopped and st Whitney is her name.

Winnie. I stopped and stared at Winnie

for the next 20 minutes, right? And I

said, "Yo, is beyond how does how is

Beyonce finding these people that look

like they should be standing next to her

and they look like just amazing

Instagram?" I thought I I really stopped

and said, you know, Beyonce, cuz I know

M is real meticulous that way. M don't

miss a beat nowhere. M. Paul, Shady,

they do a great job. I wonder if Beyonce

I wondered how much thought they put

into even the people that stand next to

her. It just all looks perfect every

single time. Another thing to note on

Beyonce's behalf here, after she left

her father for management, she didn't

skip a beat. She might have got better

when she was making herself. So it's

it's not like you can say she's total

machine and has no brain. Beyonce has a

great team and a lot of people from that

team part of the Matthew knows team.

Yeah. You can't be that great without a

team. No, you need a significant team to

be that great. She t she really stays in

tune with everything that's current or

if she's not in tune with it, she has a

great team who is and who brings it

forward because that Winnie girl was

popular before. Yeah. Yeah. She's uh uh

the whole Beyonce thing. I think she did

American Apparel ads, too, that were all

over the world. She was on America's

Next Top Model. I was just about to say

that. Yeah, she was like one of the

runnerups. Y'all know mad pop culture

[ __ ] What a bunch of [ __ ] Also, the

two all the the two the two dancers, the

two male the two male dancers, the twins

who are always performing and Beyonce

joint. They have a big following. They

have a huge following. Are they better

dancers than Michael Jackson?

I would have to I would have Listen, I

want y'all to understand something. I

get what y'all saying. Look at him

deflecting. But there are different

forms of dancing. Like that's like

that's like that's like that's like in

the NBA. There's someone who's better

shooter than someone who's a better

dribbler. It's okay. It's all right. E

man. Rest in peace, Mike. And happy

birthday. The the twins are

better hip hop dancers. All right, man.

Eclude that. What was your lemonade

point that we got off the concept album?

I think that this is how this started,

so I'd rather just the music. The the

the the music. like she was so perfect.

Everything is always so perfect. I just

think I wasn't so invested because the

music with concept album I've heard it

the music didn't to whereas Rihanna was

the opposite where her whole performance

is swag but it's the we love every every

every song every song we just keep

wanting to keep hearing it. So the songs

kind of coasted. Beyonce kind of carried

the music to me. So to Maul's point I

was never a person that just repeatedly

listened to Beyonce. Of course, every

time she's put out a project, I listen

four was probably my favorite Beyonce

album that I listen to the most. This

project I listen to a lot. There's not

specific songs I run to. I run through

the whole album. Duh. You're a cheating

boyfriend. Of course, you listen to it a

lot.

So, it's a No, it's a joke. What just

happened?

They don't know joke like that. Anyways,

go ahead. With that said, actually to

that point, Rory is now plum red. That's

my natural complexion.

He has just turned flush. That's my

natural. He's looking very flushed. Um,

no, but to that point, it's funny you

say that. There's a lot of grown content

on here that I think is relatable to

anyone that's been in a relationship

outside of the typical

Beyonce women empowerment crying. I'm

going to get killed for that. But I

think I think there's relatable things

that people have gone through in a

mature level. Cuz I've noticed a lot of

younger women don't love lemonade cuz I

don't think they can relate to it. Yeah.

But they could relate to a Beyonce

record where she's just saying, "Fuck

men, [ __ ] men, [ __ ] men." She's not

saying, "Fuck men on lemonade." There's

a lot of substance to it. Yeah. It's a

lot of layers. So that's why I can

listen to Lemonade because even as a

man, I can understand a woman feeling

that way cuz I probably put one in that

position. I can't do that with a lot of

Beyonce. Way to bounce back out of that.

Rory, Rory's good, man. I'm telling you,

y'all sleep on that whiteboard, man.

That's [ __ ] great way to get out of

that hole. That guy's good. Yeah. Yo, so

Kanye's rant.

Do we care? It wasn't even a rant

compared to his rants. It was whack. It

looked like he Yeah, he he was

unprepared for that. Let me say this.

I'm a fan of Kanye, but he's

approaching. Okay, shut the [ __ ] up.

Level now. I told approaching. Yeah, I

told [ __ ] straight up I want to see

his medicine cabinet, man. You know what

it is? And I was talking to my cousin

about it. Like Kanye, I get it. He's

trying to speak a lot of things into

existence. The, you know, the whole

speak it, believe it. You speak it,

people start to believe it. I get that.

I get what he's trying to do. He's the

most He's a visionary. He's trying to

push the coach. I get all of that. But

sometimes you just have to do it and let

your work speak for itself. Like Like

Walt Disney didn't get up on the mic and

profess his great vision and imagery.

Steve Jobs didn't do that. Like these

guys didn't do that. Did it. No. Oh,

well, Steve Jobs had to he had to break

down what he what he was trying to sell.

Well, those guys Kanye just gets up

there and, you know, he just goes off

and it's like, dog, like didn't have

they didn't have the the tools then that

that Kanye has now. So, we don't know.

They might have done that. No, Steve

Jobs definitely had the tools to get up

and invented the tools if he wanted.

Maybe not Won't I get what you're

saying, but Steve Jobs definitely had

platform to drag as much if he wanted

to, but he did. Yeah. I don't think we

really want Walt Disney to speak as

much. Steve Jobs had the tool. I don't

know about nothing else. He He had the

tool, but invented it. He just let his

work speak. I mean, not I mean, yes, but

Steve Jobs was very vocal about a lot of

things. It's just It's different

platforms. Kanye has the pop culture

pop. Kanye has the kids. Like, does

Kanye need to shut the [ __ ] up, D? I do.

I think so. I like here and there, but

like the VM. Let me ask you something

when they first started. Let me ask

y'all something. What has Kanye done

that any other big male hip-hop artist

didn't do?

Whoa, wait, hold on. Repeat that

question. What has Kanye Oh, wait, wait,

wait. Hey, Mo, let me just give you some

background here. What? Kanye Hive. I'm

not Kanye. You are too.

Oh, I don't defend everything that

[ __ ] does. I just said he need

to shut the [ __ ] up. What has What has

Kanye done? Okay, let me just say it

like this. What has Kanye done that

Jay-Z hasn't done?

I think it's a good point. Kanye sneaker

is way better than Jay Hoves was. Of

course. Hove had so much so much to do

with fashion. And when he put it out, it

was the number one selling sneaker. No,

he put out more than one. Of course, you

you could say, "How many sneakers did

Jay put out?" He put out one S. Maybe in

different colors, but it was one design.

Oh, okay. One design. It was different

colors, but it was one shoe. And it was

terrible. It's hard. I'm not rolling

with that. That's all he did was jack

the L like the white. The white when the

S do cartis dropped. It was hard. It was

the number. Everybody had a pair.

Everybody What year was this? This was

2000 later. O2. I'm out of this one.

Yeah. Everybody had a pair of S. Do

Carter. We were the same age. The same

colors, the the green with the red. Like

Bill had SE was wearing them last week,

too. It was hard. That's what I'm

saying. What has Kanye done Jay-Z didn't

do? I get it. Okay, the sneaker thing. I

get it. Let's take the sneaker thing off

the table because other rappers have put

out sneakers and had success with

sneakers. Maybe not because they didn't

put out as many as Kanye has. But what

else has he done that Jay-Z I'm going

back to Jay-Z? I think of course there's

been rapper producers before, but I

don't think any have matched up to

Kanye's disography as an artist. Okay,

let's just say this. Jay-Z has done way

more than Kanye has done. And JD's Jay-Z

does not No, you asked me what they did

different. And I I think No, I said what

what has Kanye done that Jay-Z hasn't

done? Oh, that's a producer. He's a

That's All right. So, back to my point.

Kanye gets up there and talks. Like, I

get it. He's trying to do the fashion,

but my thing is just do it and let the

work speak. Well, I think they're two

they're two different people in the

stance that Jay definitely pushed in the

business realm and we all idolized him

for his business sense, but I think

Kanye did that with the art [ __ ] too.

And I know Forel really kind of started

that, but Kanye surpassed that [ __ ] all

the way with I think the urban hip-hop

fan as far as fashion goes and as far as

art goes. I don't think people's album

covers like a two chains album cover is

amazing now because Kanye has set a

standard. People are still making albums

made his album cover. Yeah. I don't

They're still using baby pictures.

They're still Of course, there's still

people doing that. So, this is But I'm

saying artwise, music videos, I think

Kanye, whether he was the one that came

up with it or not, kind of pushed that

art thing the way Jay pushed the

business thing. Everyone wanted to be

CEOs with Jay. I think these kids are

really in tune with creating great art

because of Kanye West. What kids?

The K. The kids. Definitely not the

inner city kids. Well, kids are are are

creating great art. And I do agree with

uh you and B's point that that art seems

to be his focus. But why are we giving

him so much credit cuz he pays attention

to detail? Cuz that's what it is. And

all that's something to give credit to.

Absolutely. A lot of people are not as

meticulous as Kanye West is. Especially

when you have the platform. It's it's

Listen, I'm going just go ahead and say

it,

man. And I'm happy that he's doing all

of this. A lot of this [ __ ] that Kanye's

putting out is not dope. We caught up in

the hype. It's the hype beast. Like a

lot of this [ __ ] he's doing is not dope.

He's selling Gilden TE's with old

English font on it for $100.

Like it says Pablo all over it. Like I'm

I'm just not I'm I'm not I'm not I'm not

cheap. You understand what I'm saying?

Yeah. Hype beast got to stop. I'm not I

get it. But it's like dope. When he puts

out dope [ __ ] I I give credit. Like yo,

that was hot. I agree. But all this [ __ ]

that people rushing to buy just because

it's Pablo Pablo and all that's not dope

to me. I'm sorry. I think that's corny.

I agree with you in that sense. That

Pablo [ __ ] is I hate that Pablo [ __ ]

All right. And I hate his [ __ ]

homeless uh $1,500 sweaters that he be

selling, too. Hype beast probably are

carrying Kanye right now. Absolutely.

Yeah. 100 100,000%. But the new

generation consists of mostly hype

beast, but there is people like me that

don't. I'm not invested in Kanye. There

are people like me. Oh, yikes. There is

people Yikes. That's horrible. Oh,

really? You're going to talk to me about

uh grammar anyways. um that there are

people like me that just like his music

and who we're not invested in who he is.

He could go do a million rants. I'm not

going to give a [ __ ] I'm just not going

to click it. I love his music. That's

where I will argue. I'm carrying him in

that sense because I bought that [ __ ]

album. That's where I'll argue. Let me

let me let me speak to that point. That

is what I give Kanye credit for. Every

single album is different. That's

something Jay didn't do as well.

Reinvented reinvented himself like that.

Nobody's done that. So I I give him

credit there. And that's the only reason

I ask that Lynn Credence tell me now

you're looking at me crazy money. So

tell me somebody else who's who's done

it who has reinvented himself every

album. Maybe Nas, but

not reinvented himself worse. Oh, we're

talking hip hop. That was no shot of

Nas.

I mean, I was going to, but I was going

to say I was going to say I was going to

say Madonna. I was going to say a couple

other I was going to say some other

people, but I'm saying in the hip-hop

world. If we're talking about hip-hop,

then he's definitely one of those guys

who Madonna didn't reinvent herself

every album. Madonna did not reinvent

herself every album. No, she did not.

No, she did not. Hold on. Hold on. In

the in the Okay, if we take for the peak

in the peak of Madonna's career, that

was her thing. Each album was a new

Madonna. She went from being the little

little like a virgin. Well, what are we

calling her peak? She's been doing it

since I was born. 30 years ago. Yeah. I

can't count this. I'm speaking to when

she was active. Like truly active. All

right. All right. The young The hype

beast don't care about the McDonald's

[ __ ] All right. Whatever. But I give

Kanye credit in hip-hop. I don't I don't

Kendrick has done it twice. You only

asked two albums. album. So, I mean,

can't really Oh, in touring, I think

Kanye set a president that a lot of

artists in hip-hop have not done. I

mean, which is the live show. No, no, I

will. That glow-in-the-dark [ __ ] was

some of the greatest [ __ ] I've ever

seen. There's a lot of things. Yeah,

that goes back to the art thing, paying

attention to what things look like.

Definitely. Granted, a million artists

have done it before, but in the hip-hop

world, I think Kanye was kind of the

leader in that. So, you're saying

visually he has visually he's far past

Jay and his ideas are always just over

the top. Like like he does reinvent

himself every album. Y'all are right.

But he always puts out like the Gilden

Te's me loving fashion. I think that's

[ __ ] up. It's super [ __ ] up to sell

a $4 teeth for $90.

But if you got people that are going to

buy it, why not? Yeah, but I'll tell you

why not. Because you are the same man.

You're the same man who has spent uh uh

I don't even know how many years you

have spent with all of this new slaves.

We got to stop. We got to stop. We got

to stop. And then turn around and do the

exact same thing. That's the problem. I

agree with that, too. That's why I I

don't think anyone in the world would

say that Kanye is not a hypocrite,

including Kanye. He is a All right. Can

we get Let's get off of Kanye. Kanye

need to shut the [ __ ] up. Can we get on

Tiana?

word. All right. So, Kanye West comes

out, says a whole bunch of nothing, and

then I'm like, really, my [ __ ] That's

what MTV We're giving Kanye four minutes

to do whatever he wants. I'm like,

really? That's all you got up there say?

And I was sitting there thinking that he

had to do the Joe Button stop my time if

he was going to get four minutes off

with a Kanye rant. I thought he was

going to have something to talk about. I

think he thought he was going to have

something to talk about once he saw the

mic. And guess who he brought up? Ray.

And then it was Man, let's get to Tiana.

He did bring up Ray J, by the way. He

did bring up Ray J. Ray J was there. But

okay, so then he says, "I'm here to

promote my video." I'm like, "Video

everybody." He loves Everybody. Yeah.

Yeah, that too. Joe loves Everybody,

too, by the way. Right. Uh, no, we

didn't do um, Faded. That version of the

song wasn't on the album, right? Was it?

Uh, I didn't hear it. I don't think so.

There's a version of Post Malone. I

liked I liked that version. It was just

the tie version, more or less. I like

just the tie version with just the beat.

I wanted to I would like a copy of that

version. That version is hard. That

version is a hit. That version I can

hear playing in EDM and all these other

places. I want that version. It's a

great record. And Faded look like a '

80s. It gave me uh what's turbo in them?

Uh Breaking. Breaking. So it looked like

he was going for Breaking Flash Dance.

Yeah. All of that. Yeah. And Tiana

Taylor, what do you say? I don't know

what to say. She But you know what? I'm

I'm happy for Tiana. I'm going to say

this because people don't really realize

how talented uh Tiana is. Like she's a

great dancer. I think she I think she

doesn't get the credit she deserves for

the music she puts out. Her album was

hard, by the way. She choreographed that

whole video, too. Yeah. Like she she

doesn't get a lot of credit for a lot of

[ __ ] she does. She put out Beyonce, too.

She's put out some dope sneakers that

she designed. like she's she's she's

very talented. On top of all of that,

she just she looks very good in that

video. Like she looks extremely good in

that video. And to the the choreography,

it didn't seem like it was too scripted.

Like it felt freestyle. Like Yeah.

That's what No, that's what made it so

dope to me. Like it didn't seem like it

was staged. It kind of felt like she was

just whing. I could I could have done

without Shump.

That's what I was like. I I I get what

the the shower scene was dope and I

don't she wasn't going to do that with

any other of course guy. You know what I

mean? I'm talking about just the random

when he first popped in with the hot tie

sh here. I'm like I'm like whoa whoa

what happened. I was just watching the

fight. I mean when you Yeah. But when

you in the ring I mean [ __ ] all the ring

now. So things open up after that. Oh

no. See what happens when you leave the

Knicks. Sorry. She should have Rory. I

really feel like I feel like that should

have been her moment. Like me and my me

and my girl was watching it and we were

like the [ __ ] like why did he just pop

up? She should she should have had her

moment. That should have been her

moment. She did for 4 minutes before

Shump came in. I'm going to tell you

like this though in the video. That's

her husband. Who cares? But b I'm going

to keep it real. You're the first person

I even heard bring up Shump. Like they

don't even care. Like people don't even

care that he was in the video. They

still like Okay, back to Tion anyway. We

get it. He was black. So I was kind of

tight at that. I mean but you know I

mean it Listen, man. It was a great I I

loved it. I thought it was a great

video. I thought the concept is really

cool until Shump popped up. I think this

is going to catapult Tiana into another

stratosphere. I don't. And that is the

sad part here. I think it will. I don't.

I think it will. And I saw her tweet

today. Uh I tweeted I tweeted this

yesterday, but I saw her tweet today.

Hey, all you new people, check out my

album. It was pretty good. Yeah. And it

was and it was I bought the album. I'm

supposed to put out a workout tape that

that could help in I I think that these

young people don't care. I you know what

it is. I feel like we do have a short

attention span. Yeah. It's microwave

brains. That's exactly what it is. Like

if Tiana would have been singing on the

record or something like I think it

would be on a different level. It's on

it's so popping right now because she

looks so good in the video. She's doing

a lot in the video in a good way. It's

dope. She looks great. But I just feel

like I think people are going to find

her music as a result. I hope so. That

one was really good. I think I think if

if she's with good music, right? I think

if good I think if good music and Dev

Jam is smart, this is the moment to

actually De Jam ain't been smart in a

long time, by the way. Boy, here we go.

Listen. No, that No, no, wait. Time out.

I know that. I can't say that cuz I got

bitter baggage, but this is from people

that are there now. I ain't been there.

Who's there now? Well, hopefully someone

puts a record out on her like tomorrow

cuz this is the opportunity for people

to actually hear something new instead

of having to go back to the old logic to

get new. No, no, no, no. I didn't mean

artist. I mean staff.

Oh, I can't talk about that. But yeah,

uh I hope that people uh go and and and

listen to Tiana's album. Uh I applaud

Kanye for for carrying that out that

way. I think so, too. I like that about

I like that about Kanye. See, that's to

y'all point. That's to y'all's artsy

point. Like, part of him being so great

is letting the greatness of others just

go. Mhm. Like, for that whole video to

be her, not him at all. I do think

there's some weird uh some uh typical

weird normal Kanye uh symbolic [ __ ] at

the end with the sheep. Uh right. She

was supposed to be the lioness of the

the sheep and the I'm still on that

because Kanye's mind is textured

differently. So I know that that is I

got to go watch the video again because

I just know Kanye and I know he's weird

and for him to have that whole five

minute beautiful Tiana all of that and

then that [ __ ] at the end I got to go

back and see what's going on. I want to

know how many views that video is at.

I'm pretty sure it's at a lot. Pretty

sure it's a lot. It's on title now. No,

just title. Is it only on title? Yeah.

Hey, that [ __ ] home going to make Apple

pay, man. I'm telling you. Yeah, they

going to come up off. They going to pay.

It's too many exclusives. Like, I can't

even lie. Like, I remember like a couple

of months ago Jeezy was doing um the

concert and Tidle got my money for that.

Rick Ross just did his I was like And

there a couple like the Beyonce thing

was streaming. They got my money again.

So, I'm pretty sure Apple's going to do

something. Rick Ross just did the

10-year Port of Miami joint, right?

Yeah. Yep. It was actually good. See,

y'all got to go back and listen to that

Jay verse, man, when he said, "I'm the

only one they fear in the room right

now." That's what he was talking about.

This whole Apple and [ __ ] like they know

what Jay is capable of.

It's a difference. That's why when other

rappers try to come for Jay, it's like,

"Don't Well, who's coming for Jay?

Listen, we ain't going to do that. We

name,

you know what I mean? There was no room

when I was coming for Jay. It's a

totally different game. Jay was still a

rapper then. Yeah, it's some that he's

not rapper. Yeah. No, he's he's an alien

now. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He's an

alien. But I mean, Tiana did look great.

I'm happy for her. And I do hope that

people find her music and find her

talent aside from just looking great,

right? I just don't want people to just

look at her. It has to go deeper than

that. This was the women empowerment we

needed on this podcast. And she from the

hood. She from the hood. This is why I

want people more to talk about the the

actual video and the choreography than

her looking a certain way. When that

becomes more dialogued, then it'll push

people to actually want to go ahead and

see what she's done before. I hate all

of the [ __ ] the I hate all of the

women that, you know, lot of videos. Oh

my god, I have to I'm about to change my

whole diet. Oh my I'm have to work out,

right? GMO, you GMO butt [ __ ] got to

sit down, man. Like, you know what I'm

saying? It's all about these athletic

tone girls now, man. The saltiest

[ __ ] in the world watching that [ __ ]

I Hey, get Dr. Miami on the I want it. I

want I know his stock is dropping

drastically in the last 3 days. Yeah.

Chick just been Yeah, I know. The phone

ain't ringing. Dr. Miami, I know it

ain't ringing now. Just just land from

DR. Open her [ __ ] phone. See Tiana

Taylor probably get you and your girl

could probably get a two for one now

with Dr. Miami. Appointment's opening

up. Let's not get it [ __ ] up. This is

just the moment. They Nah, man. It's

just a moment. I'm I'm telling you, man.

I think I think I think I think she

going to she she kind of trying to turn

the tide a little bit, man. And these

athletic girls are trying to I'm telling

you cuz it's it's a lot of it's a lot of

them out there. It's a lot of it's it's

a lot of natural athletic girls out

there and I think they're getting ready

to have a moment. Nah. Okay. All right.

All right. I know you caught up.

Joe can't talk though. Joe can't talk.

We got to get Joe out the room for this

one, man. Cuz you can't you can't talk

about it, man. You got to stay out of

there. You biased. Cuz you're biased.

Kayn was athletic and natural. Yes, she

was. So why I can't talk? Oh, that's

that's one. That's one. Uh, listen. Now,

don't stutter with me, bro. That's one

in the past how many years? First of

all, okay, first of all, there are more.

Okay, but I like to keep my private life

private. Since when the [ __ ] did Joe

Button keep his private life private?

Are you kidding me? I just can't go.

Just got to protect people's anonymity,

man. Wait, wait, time out. Moving song

is OS3. Let's protect some anonymity

tonight. Hey, Mo. Wait, wait, time out.

Let me get you four. Mom been around me

enough. Wait, you ain't seen no all

natural [ __ ] around me. Join. I'm

going to keep it real. I can't remember

none besides Caitlyn. You have got to be

kidding me. Name one. We could just name

a girl. Tahiri.

Oh, that but that doesn't count. That's

like name one. Name one and that's two.

Okay. to hear and I can we were talking

about athletics.

I can keep I can keep talking about all

natural women. Okay. I can name some all

natural women that have been I thought

we talking about athletic. Well, we went

from athletic to all natural. Uh oh. No,

I didn't think more. I think more meant

fit versus I mean we'll talk later after

that three. Wait, what' you say? It's no

more after that three. Yes, there is.

No, no, Joe. days, but we'll talk about

that at a different time. Also, anyway,

man, the Yankee season. What about

overall from opening day the other night

that was at your crib? Was at my crib

the other night? You tried to snitch on

me before, so I was returning the favor.

S was there the other night. Rory Rory

comes off the ropes.

It was um It was the night that you told

Sim was out, but we wasn't.

Exactly. Exactly. That night. That

night. [ __ ] is crazy, right? Wild. All

right. So, wait. What else happened that

we need to hit? Uh, that's a good

transition uh from the title [ __ ] to

Frank Ocean's loophole. That was

amazing. I meant to talk about that.

We're putting that streaming that album

so he could talk. So, get out of that.

It's nice to see that even if he he's

going to get sued OD. But it's nice to

see the label get [ __ ] in the ass and

outsmarted for a change. I mean, can

they can he sue the label? I mean, can

the label sue him if Yeah, they they

cleared they paid for a bunch of [ __ ]

samples that ended up on the album that

wasn't They're going to sue him and

they're going to win. Yeah, that's it. I

mean, if he put the if they cleared the

samples and he put them on blind, that's

what I'm saying. They clear all those.

Let me take it a step further than that.

Unfortunately, I have some experience

here, too. When you're trying to get

away from your label, they have every

label has a non-compete clause where if

they let you go, they damn sure you're

not allowed to put music out for a

certain amount of time. I figured that

had to be. So, so even if he fulfilled

his obligation with that [ __ ] um,

and I'm not calling it [ __ ] cuz I

enjoyed it, but with uh, Endless, it

damn sure ain't allowed uh, to turn

around a day later and put out an album

and sell 250,000 copies independently.

[ __ ] are you crazy? So now this is

conspiracy theorist Joe here. Apple is

pushing that. And you think Apple's

going to eat that price that he owes Def

Jam? 100%. That's not a bad deal,

though. Think about it. Cuz then what?

Death Jam gets their cut and then

everything else after is still Oh, it

was a great move by Frank. Still, boys.

Well, let's be let's be very clear.

Frank Ocean and and this, you know,

people aren't talking enough about this.

Frank Ocean has been unhappy with Death

Jam for quite some time. [ __ ] He was

before Nostalgia Ultra. He didn't like

them [ __ ] Yeah. [ __ ] We got

Nostalgia Ultra because Frank Ocean had

a problem with Dev Jam. That's why we

got that mixtape cuz he was begging for

a release date. They wouldn't give it to

him. and they weren't [ __ ] with him.

They were ignoring him. He gave us

Nostalgia Ultra. Then when Channel

Orange came out, he did some more [ __ ]

[ __ ] Uh what happened? All right. He

didn't give it to retail stores. This is

why they still had a few retail stores.

He didn't give it to them. It was

digital only. Uh that was unheard of. Uh

and uh [ __ ] the retailers got really

mad. They got pissed off and some of

them started selling his album for under

$3 to whereas it doesn't scan when they

did get it. So Frank has had some [ __ ]

going on with him for a while. So this

ain't shocking that he tried to get far

away from Death Jam and that he did it

in this fashion. I mean, they gonna kill

that [ __ ] Just cuz we don't know where

does this leave his tour cuz I'm sure in

his contract it was a 360 and is he

going to tour? Is it an endless tour or

is it a blonde tour? You think he

renegotiated that? Are we sure? Are we

sure it was a 360? I don't know that. I

don't I don't know. Def Jam now has any

other deals but that in the past five

years but Frank what Frank came in with

leverage he was signed with some

leverage so I don't know I was in the

building at that time and they still

wasn't sold on his ass after Nostalgia

Ultra

probably speaks to a lot of this [ __ ]

probably speaks to uh why this is

happening this way I mean but label and

then when he gave Pyramids as a single

don't think they was [ __ ] thrilled it

was 7 minutes long I was thrilled oh it

was amazing labels are thrilled like

that with artists like Frank Ocean. Tell

me when Def Jam has been cool. Like they

not like

recently. Since Jay left. Give me since

when Jay left. When has Def Jam been

cool? Uh I think around Teflon Dawn.

Ross had that moment. You had Ross'

moment and you had My Beautiful Dark

Twisted Fantasy and you had Watch the

Throne. After Watch the Throne, Def Jam

became a bit uncool.

I don't affiliate Watch the Throne with

Def Jam. Well, I'm saying from was two

chains. Uh Def Jam. Yeah, two chains had

a a moment in y'all name. The thing that

the thing with Def Jam is But that's not

recent. That's not That's not But even

still, he asked when when it was But

even still, Teflon Dawn when he was

having that whole run, I don't think

nobody looked at Def Jam like Def Jam is

cool. I think Ross was having his run.

Two Chains, he had his Nobody was

looking at the label like I got to go

there. You know what I mean? Well, I

don't think people do that anymore.

Well, here's here's the thing. Well,

that's cuz there aren't any more labels.

That's Here's the thing. I mean, they're

Def Jam, though. I mean, any any new

artist that had a manager that had a

brain knew not to go near Def Jam

because Def Jam was really really good

at marketing stars. They do that better

than anybody else. They cannot do artist

development from Logic. They didn't even

do Logic did that [ __ ] on his own.

Can I ask y'all a question that's