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What's your real name again? Duke Trevor. Trevor Robinson the second uh

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Mr. Parks Richardson and I mean what y'all think that's golden that's Golden Globe

worthy speech somebody in the back just got to hit us with a the horns and [ __ ] Do you think that

if we go up there they're going to put the music on for the speech? Yes. Yeah, absolutely. Cuz all eight of us got to

get our [ __ ] off. Well, now I meant to tell you all about that.

Oh, it's like the uh Did y'all see the award Billboard [ __ ] again? Did y'all Did y'all Yes. Did y'all see that award

ceremony when the Jackson 5 won and Mike was being cool, letting everybody get their [ __ ] off, but then he had to kick

Tito or Reggie, whoever that was, to decide like, "All right, I enough now.

Somebody will have to sacrifice a speech. I'll be quick for some time. I'm gonna be real fast with mom. Pause.

Not the answer we were looking for, but that's two down. They got out the way first. All right, Mel Flip.

I feel like Flip don't have to do a speech. You just got to run around and yell. Yeah, take your shirt off. Oh, come on. Come on with no shirt on. See,

that's racist on. That's the problem with you guys. You guys don't respect growth. If you think I'm going up there

yelling or taking my shirt off, [ __ ] a rebrand. I'm standing in front making a speech and [ __ ] is gonna be happy to

hear the speech from me. I'm moving people out the way. I'm do it. I'm for Del. I think you got to do the ODB [ __ ]

and run up there and No, I don't do that no more. I don't do that no more. Well, and Nyla's music in front of that stage.

Yo, come on. Shout out to Nyla, man. Stop playing. Shout to Nyla Blackman. Watch your mouth. Nyla Blackman [ __ ] at the Golden Globe stage. Big flip. Y'all

thought this sleeper bag was coming in. What y'all think that Golden Globe bag

is in for? Uh, y'all think it should take a long time. Mark, it's Mark. It's

Mark. Mark this one, too. No, I'm going to I'm going to keep it uh short and sweet.

What would you say? I think I should just go there and be like, um, my man. I just got my man.

No. God has a great sense of humor. So that will be the moment that Ish projects his voice as loud as

I mean shout out to Ish. Yeah. Shout shout to our brother Ish is here with us in spirit man. Mhm. It's May. So I Y'all

know what time it is. If you're a long time listener, don't start that [ __ ] If you're a long time listener, it's May. You already know what time it is. I

don't have to say nothing. We're not doing that. It had nothing to do with May. People have emergencies and situations that comes up. Well, and

you're not here after the main. Why you highlighting me? Mel's not here today after the main. She's not supposed to be

here on the main issue. She not supposed to be here on the main,

boy. Talking her way through. I like it. I like it. I'm showing up. I thought you were turning over a new leaf. You think

I swear I was just thinking I'm like, you think she'll call me and text me like, "Yo, Flip, good looking." She know. Yeah. But you know, I said it in

person. I know. I want a text. Okay. All right. I want to document it. You got to text. You want to screenshot it to put on the internet? No. No. No. No. No. I

don't do that. Not with her. Well, listen. Flip and Mel and ish have prior

engagements that supersede the importance of this broadcast. Why you got to say it like that? And because I'm

so happy for them and proud of them, please fly, Robin, fly. In the great

words of troop, spread your wings. Fly away.

Okay, thank you. I accept that. Thanks. You know what I mean? Til and all that. Anyway, shout out to We got Ray Daniels

in the building. Make some noise for Ray Daniels. Yo, I just want to shout out Joe for

being always solid. Some Virgo [ __ ] I just got to say that. It's important to say. My Virgo brother here, man. Ain't

nothing going on. Flip. Everything is cool. No, you just No, you show me your sleeve and say I always keep one in the

t. You whispered that to me. Don't do that. Why did you do that? You keep

antagonizing me and then when I react, you act like you don't know what's going on. You and Po when you record behind the scenes. I saw that last behind the

scenes [ __ ] I'll talk to you about that later. No, I'll talk to him about it cuz some of that [ __ ] shouldn't have went out. Like, god damn. I can't tell you.

Can I have a team meeting in peace? Then they kicked my back in. Yeah, they

kicked my back. They reversed. I know. I know. They Anyway, but you were like this to me. But why? I always keep

wondering. But tell tell the audience why. I asked you. You said what's Ray doing here? Yeah. What's Ray doing here?

Who's coming? No, first I ask you who's coming? Like, is it just us? You said now Ray Daniel coming. I said, "Oh, you

pulling a move for the main joint or you pulling the move." Then you let that sit. It was silent. Then I'm just

looking around. I turn I happen to turn to the left. You said I always keep

What you think is the move? You just try to show I know what you're trying to do. But what do you think is the move?

I don't want to I don't want to divulge. I just think you pulling the move and I respect it. But you know cuz Ray is big

dog. We got big dog. We got big dog. I swear I genuinely hit Joe was like, "Yo, I'm in town. I would love to shoot." He

was like, "Come through Friday." I stand in my flight. It was just simple as that. Ray, there's this thing out there going on where anything hold up. Any

There's this thing going on where anything when it comes to Joe has to be seen through the most evil perception

that you could possibly take. Why do you think that is? But why did you do this? What is this? I don't know why that is. Okay. What does this mean right here

when you do that to your man? This right here? Yeah. Come up with something. This lets you

know this means Huh? My sister turning on me. I just I can't wait. I can't wait

to I cannot wait to see how quick the wheels turn. Come on. Go. Go. This means time. This mean No, no, I didn't need

time. This is This means that I've been gotten in three car money before in 42nd Street. This is how they do it.

One in the tough. Yeah. I just want to say something. It's weird because as Joe was talking, he was encouraging y'all to

get something. And I swear I was just thinking to myself, "Y'all lucky y'all don't work for a hater. Y'all lucky y'all work for somebody that don't want

you you can work for somebody that don't want to highlight what you doing on the side, but he's starting to show what you doing." And so you lucky you don't work

for a hater. So it's just how you see it. That's how I see it. Oh [ __ ] Yo, he

got

reinfor Ice, you know, my family. But I'm like at when I hear I'm like I got to be honest. Like like I'm here and I'm

like, "Yo, that's fire." Like I'm in at y'all house and I see the boss basically telling his people like, "Yo, that's good. Go. What you need from me?" I'm

like, "You don't work for I completely agree, but we're still going to make jokes." Okay, cool. Let's go. Let's make jokes. I just don't want Queen Flip

thinking anything. That's my brother right here. I'm I'm a I've been a fan of his for so long, he don't even understand. So I just want to know.

That's why I'm here. There you go. Do it. That's how Mark got these [ __ ] too. Encourage them first.

Get the guard down, right? Get disarm them, right? Hey, Mark the blueprint. How you get these

[ __ ] in a good mood? The lookout is great. Welcome to our Golden Globe

audience out there just now tuning in. Huh? The voting members. The voting members only.

[Applause]

Keep the applause going for the best crew in the world. [ __ ] they talking about.

I mean, this is a family show. This is a family show. Whoa, whoa, whoa. Family trying to

hit you. Look at that. Look at that.

I'm at work. I'm at work. Are you at work? I love you, but I'm at work. I got to I got to change the world with the

power of my voice. I got to hit you at another time. I love you, bro. My man. My man. Inshah. Let's go.

Big mail in the building. Got you [ __ ] wiped

down. Get these drops out the way real quick, man. We're going to have a real good time

today. A really, really, really good time. I promise.

Excuse excuse me, sir. I'm sorry I have to wait. Are you a doctor? Who is that? Mark Hill. [ __ ] [ __ ]

Flip and Mel and Ray. Ray. Ray. Ray.

Ray. All right. Microphone check. 1212. What episode is this? 826. Welcome to

Parks. Parks want us to be Pat McAfee so bad. Hey man, trying to get the Golden Globe, bro. You're right. You're right.

Them [ __ ] on Pat McAfee be bugging. They start. We're going to lock down time like in unison. They little unison

should be fire. Yeah. Wow. What episode? 826. Welcome to episode 826 of the Joe

Button podcast. Brought to you by Fueled by powered by Prize Ps gang. Salute. Salute. Salute.

I'm your humble, grateful, gracious, so happy to be here. Host God is so good. My God. Oh my Lord. My Lord. Oh my. All

praise. All praise due. First and foremost, we will discuss a lot of dark

news today. I want to start with a quick sage of the room. A prayer for those inside and outside of these podcast

communities. Indeed, everybody out there in the real world struggling with things. I wish great mental health,

physical health, physical strength uh amongst all of you. Please, please spread that. Spread that. Text somebody.

Text someone you love. I don't wish success for you all. I think I'm on the record with that. Uh

but for most of y'all, for most of y'all, keep rocking. The good the good

folks watching. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Uh here with some amazing people to my right. Hey, stop playing with her.

Melissa Ford in the building. Hey, the Melissa Ford. V. Uh, talk to

him. Capital T, capital H, capital E. All right, man. Every time you try to All

right. All right, girl. Uh, we got the Pat McAfee vibe a little

bit. Yeah. I don't know what the [ __ ] that. Uh, next to her, like I said, very special guest. My Virgo brother Ray

Daniels is in the building. Thanks for having me, Joe. What's up, Flip? Thanks for having me, Joe.

Queens flip. Queens get the money. Queens is in the building. Big freeze. Mr. T himself is here. Park is here. Po

is here. Cory is here. Ray Daniel's whole squad is over there. Like he get like he get a plus seven. But what up to

all y'all? It's three. Erikson is here. Uh Ian and Kee I think is here. And

whoever else is here, I don't know. And they're an intruder. Uh how's everybody feeling? How you

doing? How's your spirit? Talk to me. Talk to me. What's popping though? Everything's great. Feeling good. Good.

Feeling good. It's amazing. It's a blessing. It's been a horrible week to be a black man in entertainment. Talk

about it. Yes, sir. And I'm not opening with that because I'm on positive vibes. Yeah, it's a lot going on. I'm on

positive vibes. I'm on peace. All that good [ __ ] And it's rap

beef. Yeah, my favorite [ __ ] And it's rap beef. I'm excited. Me, too. Let's get to it.

Let's see. Because last time we were recording, they did Jo uh Joey Badass,

Ab Soul, and Big Sean did the Red Bull freestyle, which I clicked on it real

quick and heard Big Sean getting his normal Big Sean [ __ ] off. He killed that [ __ ] Yeah. Bad for Big Sean cuz I feel

like every time one of these things happen, it's over. He gets over Yeah. overshadowed by every time. Yeah. He

doesn't ask for it. That's I think the problem. He's really dope, but he just doesn't ask for it. He's just dope and it goes away. Yeah. True. Part of it is

being dope and saying you ain't see how dope I was. Like he don't have that. Yeah, you're right. You're right. But he's incredible as a rapper. But between

this and Control, I feel like like his verse on Control was fire and no one ever is going to talk about that. He

always has his moment stolen from him. Like right as he's about to just uh roll

out some [ __ ] or introduce something or just remind us of why we love Big Sean so much. Here come the biggest moment in

rap of the year to follow it. Right. Yeah. But everyone bodied. I like Abso's

version. Me too. So now when I got to hearing the rest of this, I'm I'm gonna

play it. Should I play the whole thing? Uh maybe not the whole thing, but we can. But who should I skip? Don't make them call me. No, we can just ride the

fader. Pause. All right. We ain't got It's like 6 minutes long, I think, or something like that. It is kind of long. Yo, but we on music [ __ ] today. Even if

that isolates Mel and Flip. It's okay. We'll we'll do our best to contribute. Catch up with us. Don't speak Don't

speak for me. Okay. I'll do my best to contribute. I don't know what the [ __ ] you hip hop.

Yo, I tried to include you, [ __ ] But you know, and you are a lot more hip-hop than him. Oh [ __ ]

You are just by default. Just literally you never been in no video. I did see a video of you rapping the other day

though. No, that was a T-Mobile commercial. Mobile. No, no, he was on he was on the um he was on the show rapping. Yeah. You were in your bag.

Yeah. You're doing a lot of this. Oh, y'all clicked on that [ __ ] Yeah, I clicked on that. I did. Yeah. No, they're not, man. Yeah, you the one when I rap against Shorty. I don't remember

who you Yeah, you Yeah, I just saw you. They're not They're not mad. You did good, man. Yeah, you did. Real good. Who wrote that for you? Myself. What you got

to say? Positivity highlighter. Nothing at all, man. None at all. That's super fire. Thank you very much. You actually

find it. So, we got No, no, we good. We good. We going to talk about this Joey Badass. Hey, Big M. She said you want

more. We going to get into this Joey Bad. We'll do that bonus episode. Yeah, we'll do a bonus to be determined. Me

and you in math. Was it? What was it? Potter House. Shout the map, man. Right about that [ __ ] Hey, we gonna do that

on a new Potter House episode. Of course you shoot at the at your [ __ ] instead of the [ __ ] that's shooting at you.

Yeah, of course, [ __ ] Put your gun away. I'm here unarmed. I'm here unarmed, homie. Get him. Get him. Big

flip. Look good. You gave me the right hand now. You gave me the right hand now. Oh, my man. I do want to shout out

the uh production team on this. Who is it, folks? Uh, I don't I don't know who did the beat. The beat's dope, too, but

I'm talking about like the the content was fire. I think Lyric did it. Oh, our girl Lyric. I'm not positive about that.

So, who if she lived in New York would definitely be the producer of this show.

Oh my god. I love it. He bodied that [ __ ] I love it. Sean went off. He did. And that's how you set a cipher off. And

I loved uh it's very difficult when you're creating this type of content to like have real like kind of organic

chemistry and camaraderie between the MC's. It's true. And they did it really, really well where they're talking [ __ ]

back and forth. They're doing like passing the hat back and forth, playing around. It didn't feel corny or like

they did it 600 times and you know what I mean? Like had to stitch it together. It felt real. It felt real.

Well, that's where my problem lies. Open it up. Pause. That's right there. Is

that was amazing. What almost seemed to be coro if you didn't know better, right? Yeah.

Mhm. Like it almost seemed like he left this space in the verse for him to pop up and they carried that out throughout

the whole time. I want to know if they knew who they was rapping with ahead of time. I'm sure they did. It's it's

certain flips in in the verses that I wouldn't be surprised if they actually did this in the studio and then did it

together. Mhm. Well, I don't want to talk about hot sausages. Why would do that? Why would AB do that? Cuz he's MC. This [ __ ] was

some fun [ __ ] Why would he do it? Oh, hell no. This is some fun [ __ ] Yo, what? No way. He even doing that

[ __ ] again. He explains in his verse though. He say in his verse, "Yo, I'm I'm I rock with you. I got the 47 over

here and but I'm still TDE showing." I think that he freestyled some of that verse. He probably freestyled a lot of

that verse. That's how [ __ ] gets. I think he found out on the spot, man. [ __ ] what y'all talking about. I think he found out on the spot that he was

getting dissed. M I don't think he knew beforehand that the [ __ ] that been

lining us up for the last however many months. But Joey wrapped after him. Huh?

Joey wrapped after him. So I don't know. I'm getting dissed. I don't know his verse. And what I saw AB came after him.

No was the middle was the second verse. So when does he start saying uh Joey,

you put me in quite a predicament. He's talking about he's responding to Joey dissing the West Coast back in January

when he did the Rulers Back. I know, but when was that in his verse? In his second verse. It's only It's It's that

[ __ ] diss him at the end. Hell no, man. Some playful dissing. It's playful and

it's like I'm cool with you [ __ ] and ain't no smoke here. Hell no. Are you crazy? This is smoke. It's not smoke.

We're rapping. That's what they all that's the point of this is, yo, you could just do this without all that

extra [ __ ] that we just saw last year. You can just do this and and we can just pin and go back and forth with each

other and it's cool and dap each other up at the g at the end and everybody go home. Yes, but I don't think that's as

friendly as y'all make it out to be. Yes, I agree with y'all. I don't think that it's on get the guns time. I think

the rappers are rapping, which I'm applauding. Yeah, right. We want to encourage that. Absolutely. I also think

it can get tense in a room or amongst clicks when the rappers are rapping and

I'm the perfect person to probably say that. I was just about to say that like I don't rap so it's hard for me to see in the inside. He thinks like a rapper

also. So I'm like I don't even think about that. There is that thing where if you know somebody has been dissing you

for the better part of six to eight months and now we're at what would the

event be today? Rolling Loud or [ __ ] back in the day was paid dues or [ __ ]

bells. Rock the bells. You ain't got so much number in your phone. Yeah. Well, unless you change it. I know these

[ __ ] be changing numbers. Yeah. Oh, you want to call? Get to the bottom of it. We ain't got to guess. Good point,

[ __ ] Their whole point was, "Yo, we we just rapping." That's how it felt to me. That was the entire It's almost like

they reiterating that throughout the whole [ __ ] Yo, we just rapping. But you got to understand it's it's okay. So

it's the same concept. You can say we just potting, but there can be a result from that potting. But if I know So if

So what I'm saying to you is that if they just feel like they rapping and I'm looking at it like you. So then when Joe goes from the rap perspective, I'm like,

"Oh, but from the inside, you probably looking like I still ain't going to let this [ __ ] eat me alive today." So I'm rap I'mma rap to eat him alive on the

verse. That's what he said. So that So there is a sense of we going to eat each other. It might not be. We going to kill each other. We don't want to. Okay. I'm

not from I'm not from New York, so I don't do pog. I'm sorry. Thanks for catching me though, bro. Thanks for catching me. How long does the Oh, you

did. How long does the pause start? No, you're good. Keep keep it going. I'm from Atlanta. I'm just running the

rules. You feel me? But yeah, but that's what I was saying. So when I heard you, I'm like, damn, that is true. Like if you you want to eat a [ __ ] live, I

don't want to hurt you, [ __ ] But [ __ ] I want to make sure they know I'm the best when this [ __ ] is over with. I want y'all when they get on Joe Button Pot and they start talking about who had

the best verse, I want to be talking about me. Yeah, for sure. That's that's MC. [ __ ] still competition

though on a regular cut whether if there was names said or lines drawn or whatever at all. But I think what Joe

was saying like if you hear that you in the room and now you like hold on it's like it's like how we started here. Flip is like what you what you up to? I'm

like [ __ ] I just saw Joe like I'm in town but you could be thinking cuz this is how you this is what you do. So like

I to get set up on a pod. So I feel like it was more of that like I'm just going to bring my best in case one of you [ __ ] bring their best and then you

probably heard something you're like oh [ __ ] that's what we doing. And I understand y'all the [ __ ] that's rapping and dissing be around each other

like at the Dreamville fest and all that. I get I think they talked about this. Yo. All right. You know I'm I'm

go. Yeah. When we go too. What's up, [ __ ] Let's get it. It's like sports. I want to see you do good and get your money. But [ __ ] I want When the chip

come though, I want the chip though. Period. All right. Back to Big Sean. Yeah. Yeah.

That quick overshadow Big Sean again. Yeah, it happened again. Shout out to Big Sean always. Right. Hey

Sean, with all due respect, yo, I know it's going to hurt day hearts. Sorry.

Sorry. Hey. Hey. We We here for something. All right. So that that So

that makes it worse for me. That makes it worse. Now that makes it worse for me. Why? Cuz if I'm coming with that as a written already, then I need to go

last. True. I have to go last. Ah, okay. I can feel that. I can't do this before

the [ __ ] and I ain't heard his verse. So, I can't give him the window to now come behind me and do exactly what Joey

Badass did. I I actually agree with you cuz what he said there sounds like he heard the verse or knew what was coming

in the verse and that should have kind of been the cleanup at the end. But, but I get why they did Joey because like

last verse, it's old school hip-hop [ __ ] Last verse, show stealer. I was going to ask how they picked the order.

Show stealer goes last paper rock. No. Show stealer goes last. The moment.

Yeah. Okay. And the first verse has to be impressive. It has to say which was it was it was killed it. All three

verses were highly impressive. The funny [ __ ] is Sean should have went last.

Nah. Sean should have went last. Can't with the the conversation that is clearly arising. Sean goes first. They

did this right. Sean doesn't have enough emotion in his voice to go last. In my opinion, he's just a really good MC. But

like I think that's why control one cuz Kendrick could do that. It's like Sean doesn't do that. He just

kind of raps. So I think that I think because he doesn't give you that extra emotion in his voice in times and

verses, it feels like a great first verse. Like he feel like he's throwing alley, but it don't feel like he dumped that [ __ ] He's the perfect rap style.

He's the perfect leadoff hitter for this. He's going to get a girl eating cherries under the cherry moon till I

see a very order of the verses don't necessarily matter cuz Kendrick went second on control. Kendrick is of

[ __ ] J Electronica went third and we don't remember none of them verses but Kendrick. Yeah. So some if you do your

job right, it don't matter where you go. Styles matter in fights. On paper, Jay elect maybe should have went last on

there on paper, but then there's real life, which nobody talks about but me

because he's fly with hole. But anyway, see, nah, that that can't go second.

Nah, he he smoked that. That just shouldn't be second. He smoked shouldn't be second. you throwing an alleyoop to a

[ __ ] to [ __ ] just But but can we just talk really quick because you said something third verse but in the streaming era it almost feels like the

inverse now like I don't want to go last they might not get to my verse. Oh yeah it's that part too is like it was on the

stream cuz back in the day you wanted the last verse that meant you in the stream. So even what you just said I

used when you was like nobody heard that verse it's like cuz like we tune out after a while to I understand that with

all due respect if there's one place I never want to hear the words streaming error it's in a cipher this ain't even

streaming this ain't for that I I like your argument but it doesn't apply to this no it was argument it was just a

thought process in it like I'm like because when you said the third verse I'm like damn I've been really wanting to tell rappers bring back the third

verse I'm telling you bring back the third verse I'm telling yo And in a cipher, I'm not going to hold you. You

be happy when the [ __ ] before don't really cook. But they both cooked to me, so they cook

though. Yeah. Yeah. I'm just saying cipher rules in effect. Oh yeah. Now you know. I'm not thinking, hey, put the

whack [ __ ] behind me because I need to be heard. I'm thinking let these [ __ ] go first. That's going to make my verse

sound like Jesus. Thanks. Um, all right, Joey. Yeah, let's go.

Yo, when Brooklyn [ __ ] start any verse saying BK is a bad time, you know what?

This almost sounds. Yeah. Yeah. That's He just

talking right to Absol. It almost like Sean, you weren't even here now. Yeah. BK to Carson. Yeah. It's like a twoman.

Oh, wow. I think Absol, he knew he was coming to compete with Right. Yeah. I think Ab is a better

wordmith than Joey Badass. I agree. I think Joey Badass has more presence than

Ab Soul. Agree. I think that's fair. Yeah, I think that's fair. And this verse, he he could this might be one of his best verse I ever heard from him.

Well, [ __ ] And the disc I about to say and the he kind of I can't wait. We're working chronologically. We're working

chronologically. Nah, you can't let nobody do that with your word flips. You

can't let nobody do that with him. Absolutely. I'm the [ __ ] that absolutely. Yeah,

[ __ ] right in front of him too. [ __ ] salute me. I've got to snuff somebody now. You crazy.

Crazy boy. Come on, man. There's a lot of presence in this verse. Our good brother Dark Lamont Hill just joined us.

Dark man. Dark man. Dark man. Yeah. Yeah. My [ __ ] [ __ ] I was coming over. Play

so you can hear it clearly. Yes, sir. Yes, sir. Who was that? It's Mark Hill.

[ __ ] [ __ ] [ __ ] Our brother Mark has just joined us. Yeah. Clap. Yeah.

Look. You happy? Look. Yeah. Yeah. Clap. Clap. Clap. Clap. Again.

His fade just walked. Yeah. Look how you happy. Oh, here go. Here go. Here go me. Now down with I'm happy to see my man

too. Anyway, how you doing, Mark? And Mel, when did you start turning on Mark like that? What do you mean? I'm not

turning on Mark. You've been been a lot of little teachers, pets. There been a lot of letting letting the hand since he

started turning on her. I did find that hurtful since he started turning on her physically landed. Once the drops

happened, it happened the other way around. Yeah. No, you've been shooting that male guy. The male shot at me first. She did? Yeah, I might have. It

was the drops. Why you conceding the [ __ ] that he say? What you mean? Because I'm honest. Instead of seeing a woman

being accountable. That's amazing. I was about to give you props. I'm like, that was accountable. I don't see women do that. Sorry.

You know, women usually like it wasn't me. She said I was I I was going to look at my girl like did you hear that? I'm

just saying like accountable. That was amazing. You see that on top? This is like the broke clock being right twice. Okay. Okay. My bad, man. I I'll call you

when you do it again. I promise you if you don't do it again. If it's one thing Savannah, I ain't going to be is accountable. She's allergic to

accountable. The only She's allergic to accountable. She don't keep money in accountable. She keep it under her mattress. Are you going to keep talking

so I can [ __ ] shoot at him? I know the [ __ ] you are not talking, mister. I don't trigger anybody in here on

purpose. Oh, she's showing off again. I'm not. Let's go. I like when you get in this bad boy when company here. You

shoot at that cuz he not going to say to that. I was shooting last episode. And and and you're you're right. I just want

to ask Joe a question. That is a line that you can get off once you've built your empire.

Joe, I want just so we're clear here. How long do I have to be here before I'm not company? I don't feel I feel like I

feel like Okay. Okay. So, it's just him. That's the cousin that don't want me. Okay, cool. I got it. I know who we in the house. Well, and just so you know,

I'm going to make you like me. I'm going to make you like me cuz he's also done that with everyone that's gotten hired

since he's been here. Factual. He's done that. But that's in my bag. Okay, cool. I get it. It's like a hazing thing.

Don't take it personally. Yeah. Okay, I got you. If you can survive the cast hating you for the first seven months of

you getting the gig, then you made it. Then you made it. Come on. Look, I promise you, you can never get under my

skin, bro. I love you, bro. I love you, too. That's the type of person I You can't bother me. responding with love, man. I accept that. I accept that. Let's

get back to Wait, back to our hate. Let's go back to hate. Yo, do I have to play the rest of this? No. I don't think so. I want to get to the shits. I don't

want to I don't Yeah, I don't want to do that. Here we go. Uh-oh. Boy.

Oh my god. Jesus. Wait. No. No. You're out of order. You're out of order. Ray first. You got to go Ray. Oh, Ray went

first. Yes. Ray responded to that. What? Oh, there are grave mistakes made

all over this thing. All right. Oh, wait. Playing the wrong [ __ ] again.

Sorry. Sorry. Sorry. Sorry. Sorry. Hold up. I got you guys. He jumped out with that. Yeah. Here we go. Cuz Joey

was on his ass during the verse. Here we go. Sorry about that. Throw tomatoes at the DJ booth.

He took me out the hook. No, no. That's just the hook. He gets it. But he shouldn't have did that right there. I agree. I agree. Cuz my first listen I'm

like this ain't going to do it. Yeah. See, but he made up for his bars a dope. I am going to press play, but I've never

heard this. So, this is a I'm listening in and got and critiquing it in real time. It does sound like he's trying to

catch one. Yeah, absolutely. And I don't know how long you It sound like he's mimicking not like us trying to catch

that sound like Hey now, say now. Hey, say now. I'm just saying that that West

Coast bop diss over that. Hey, West Coast [ __ ] how long do y'all want this to run?

That's me asking a valid question. Um, y'all can't I like the West Coast

run right now, but I love it too. They don't need to start doing this though. I want Yeah, that's what I'm saying. This is too derivative. This is diluting of 6

months ago. Not even six months ago. But now and I'm sure Rayvon about to get his ass up. I'm sure he is. It's a tough

style to beat though. I talked all that [ __ ] but this is a tough style to beat. Like when you have your region behind you this way like and you got to deal

with that, you go there there's a way to beat it. You you do exactly what he did. you go get your region and you rap the

way that you supposed to rap from over here. And that's what I was thinking when you said how long this is going to last. I've been encouraging I've been

every time I go out like if you from the west coast take this Kendrick moment and create the sound because that's what TI

did for southern music. I was going to say [ __ ] [ __ ] just the west coast. I think regionalism and hip-hop is amazing

and I like to bring it back and hear it all the time. I agree with that. Exactly. That was hard. That was hard.

Yeah. And you got to admit when West Coast [ __ ] get on that beat, they shine, man. There's something about that beat and when they just really Exactly.

When they do that, use it. Exactly. He's going off. That was hard. He ain't done. He ain't done. Yeah, he going after D. I

think he packed, man. That [ __ ] is hard though. It's hard. I

see why he put a hook on it. He should have put He should have repeated it. And when he did it the first time, I was following, but he should have went

somewhere else, but he repeated it twice. That felt lazy to me like, "Oh, you could have Cuz you put the Trick Daddy in. You should have just went

somewhere else, but you stayed there. I think you should have stayed on the Trick Daddy longer. Really? The [ __ ] in that studio wouldn't allow him to not

put that again. Fly that. Yeah. Fly that. Are you see the energy in this

studio right now? He rapping like that to be his day. Yo, fly that. And this

cannot go out with just bars. Yeah. Yeah. God damn. That's the hard part. The The hoy part. I don't really like I

don't like that he trick daddy [ __ ] was hard though. All right. All right. All right. All

right. All right. All right. Rayon. All right. Rayon on your album because it's fire.

Standing next to soul ain't going to save yours. My favorite line in that [ __ ] you didn't even get to. He said you washed. You ain't carrying no torch. You

let ice turn into the king of New York, man. Like he's playing. Yo, Rayon just

trying to be funny. Ice is not the king of New York. But in the But he's trying to be funny. Yeah, exactly. I say I say

the most famous New York is I'm just I'm and for that two months that it looked like she was about to be Lotto went and

rented 50 suburbans and drove right over there. We never heard another word.

Yeah. Sorry. And shout ice bikes. But sorry. [Music]

Okay. I'm not going to lie to you. He went the [ __ ] off. There we go. I

cannot tell a story. There we go. He absolutely went the [ __ ] off. And and

this beat is beating and it's doing some Arab [ __ ] bro. The part the part 24 hours later. Yeah. Real quick. Real

quick. Like I think it got to be emphasis on that. Yo. Yeah, it do. Nah, dog. To do that ain't easy. It ain't

like I had this in the tuck just sitting here. I I heard you. He had it in the tuck. But I heard you. No, I didn't hear

you. I heard you. My man called me. My man called me. I didn't hear nothing. My man called me as soon as that shoot was

over. My whole camp knew as soon as that Red Bull camera stopped that you was on

[ __ ] It gave these [ __ ] time and he's fast. He did this last time. He popped out. Yeah, he did. I app I'm just

saying I appreciate I'm with you. I'm with you for this is ridiculous. Yeah. Off. By the way, when a [ __ ] from the

West Coast rap on that beat, it becomes like, yo, it's I'm telling you, they should use that style. I would say I

would stay there. I'm with you. If you're nice, you should do it. Yeah. He He He took off. He took off.

That's hard, bro. Okay. Yeah, he got beat by Salute to Red, man. He went crazy both. He He absolutely took off.

Okay. And then And then 24 hours later, 24 hours later, the finals. The finals.

I like this beef. I ain't going to lie. It's a fun beef. This is This is a cool, fun, friendly, competitive

uh beef to show a skill set with rapping [ __ ] too. Yes, because of the because of the beef, everybody's

listening now. So now your skills are really being shined. It's like, yo, it's crazy. It's good for hip-hop. Before I

play Joey's response, where does everybody here stand on

uh Lil Broen, your opponent, who might be a greater MC? Where do you stand on,

hey, this [ __ ] never had a song. We don't know him. He's not visible. He got no traction. He got no [ __ ] His

label don't care about him. I made more money for his label than he did. That's what I told Saigon. I ended Saigon.

Saigon, what up? I absolutely finished Saigon. Saigon is my man. But he got finished. He's on my

my hit list. Um, but what up though? No, but no, I pieced

it up with all my beats. Yo, it's rap [ __ ] It's just rap [ __ ] It's just rap. You got me. That's all it is. Right. I mean, it may not have been just rap [ __ ]

at the time, but at 45 years old, I pieced up all my rap music. Yeah. Uh, and I asked y'all this because I heard a

lot of that from what Joey had to say. I'll play it for you guys. But where do y'all stand on that angle? I ain't mad

at it. I love that angle. I'm mad at you. You're not mad at it at all. He's got 10 years on on Ray. So, I think he should lean into that.

[Music] Sound like New York. That Yeah, that's

Let's play the region game. We playing. You got to play with your home court advantage. New York.

Yeah. Come on. That he's playing he playing with them [ __ ] now. Yo, you going to be the next drop?

I love that [ __ ] man. He's playing now. Yeah, let's rap. Go ahead. Let's rap.

See, I don't care how great of a rapper you are. If I get to little bro you for the next three minutes, it's effective.

Yeah, it's effective. It is. Especially if some of the [ __ ] I'm saying could be

looked at as a little factual, right? For sure. Like, I ain't just making this [ __ ] up. No, it's fair to say that it's

factual. Like Ray is just he just came out. He just came out. You can say Joey's been here 10 years. You can say that 10 plus. No, when he's saying sign

for 5 years and I'm your biggest like but look at that. But look at it from a sport place. If you started here, right,

and we all started as rappers and now you go off and be a supermodel, famous girlfriend, you in Gucci commercials,

the MC, the hungry [ __ ] on the floor is like, "Oh, this [ __ ] is slipping." So it's almost like I'mma attack the [ __ ] who I don't think is in no more. Yeah.

So, and by the way, because he know he ain't in game shape, he has to respond, right? And that's kind of like that's

how it works. Yeah, it's a play. It's a play for both sides. Both win. But by the way, this is good for Joey because now he can show [ __ ] Don't think

there's some of these commercials that I don't do this. So, it's really great for both sides. Why is Joey doing it? We just seen him beat a [ __ ] up at the P

store, right? We just seen Joey badass uh at the [ __ ] Averrex store

tightening some screws up. You on TV. Uhhuh. You in love.

Get into it, man. [ __ ] it. That [ __ ] skin is still beautiful. Paul is sometimes you just got to remind [ __ ]

Yeah. It's a lot of [ __ ] that I don't think are familiar with how well Joey Badass, but it's hard to remind

someone when you're not provoked cuz then it like you're being a bully. So, it's almost like you needed somebody to shoot and you shoot. Okay. Okay. Okay.

Let's get down and fight. I think Joey also, everyone always thought that he could rap well and stuff like that, but he was never known as like, "Oh, he's a

killer. He's super nice." Uhhuh. This is his chance to show that. And be clear, Joey popped this off. So, he did. Now,

I'm It's not like I'm just I popped it off and I went and hid over here. I'm answering the call. Anybody got something? Oh, you got something to say?

Cool. I got one for you. Daylight, I heard you. I got something for you, too. You got to remember Johnny T. He was like a bad um he was like a child star.

Damn near he was young as hell when he came out. He was a teenager. So this is his chance to show y'all I'm a [ __ ]

grown killer. Cuz I thought he was way older than what he is. When I saw him in the magazine, I'm like, how is he this young? He's been out since he's a kid.

Yeah, he was he was a teenager when the 1999 drop. And you know what I will say that I like about 2025 and forward.

I like that there's a new crop trying to establish themselves as the killers. The

new bulls. Like, yeah. Like the like the [ __ ] that we know are grandfathered

and great grandfathered and they shouldn't even be spoken about. This new crop of [ __ ] who kill and who don't?

Who's here for this? Just the cosmetics of this and who really is about that action. I like Joey saying, "Yeah, I'm

here. I'm with it. I like it. I like it." Although I did like hearing Styles Pete popping [ __ ] the other day. That was amazing. That was I love that. I

like I like hearing it from the OG. He set Jim straight. He did. Hey, Jim. Jim is my man. Set him straight. You heard

it. Points my man. No gentleman. Like just like a gentleman though. That's what I love. No, we're not the same. You don't think that dude was like, "Yo, he

did it in such a nice way." It was like you couldn't even be offended by it. It was like, "Oh, oh, that's true." It was said like it had to be true. That's

going to be the old age that that beef is never going to leave. The I have more

commercial success than you versus I am C and you don't. Yeah.

I like that's that's gonna outlive all of us. I like it. Style said that [ __ ] straight, bro. He was like, "Yo, dog, I

forgot more." He started talking about you can't [ __ ] with them [ __ ] that just been juicing.

Juicing versus gym pull-ups. We got a healthy battle.

Yeah. Loaded Lux to mediate that [ __ ] Uh, all right. Back to your badass.

[ __ ] going crazy, son. And he got 2 minutes and 19 seconds left. Yeah, we don't got to play the whole game. He's

not going to stop. Yeah, he's not going to stop. This is fun. He going crazy. This is fun. I love it. Reason's got involved now, too. I ain't heard it. So,

we'll maybe cover that next next week. Sh. Reason, man. Yo, this ain't a jump. It is a jump. It's a jump. Well, no,

it's not a jump. He's addressed. He He said my name, too, if I'm reason. Yeah, daylight can hop in this. He can

Daylight. He was in that cipher. He was shooting at Daylight. Daylight. What? I don't like what Daylight did. I didn't

see what Daylight did. He posted a picture of Joey Badass brother on his Instagram. Rest in peace. That That's

Well, this is rap. Like, nobody's disrespected nobody. It was strictly rap and then and you ain't responded with no

bars or nothing. You just put a picture of his brother. Well, he has responded, but not to the cipher. D's done a lot of rapping to Joey Badass in the last. Yo,

y'all having too much fun to do [ __ ] that'll get you punched in the face. Yeah. Don't do the serious [ __ ] Let's

be cool. We want everybody to be able to walk the red carpet at the award show at the same time. And I'mma invite all

y'all when we get our Golden Globe. That's right. When we get our golden when we get our

Golden Globe. Come on y'all. Y'all got to know that. I ain't gonna do I ain't going to do y'all like Melissa Savannah

Ford. Win a Gracie Award. Fly out to Atlanta to accept or LA, I'm sorry, to accept a Gracie award and not invite her

brothers. Yeah, that was crazy. Wait, there was a ceremony. Yes. Mel won't be here for our Patreon. She's leaving.

She's leaving on the first thing smoking because she has to prepare to accept her Gracie award. Do you want to start your

speech now? Wow. And then tell like like we wouldn't support her. I haven't I haven't written it. I haven't written my speech yet. Are we going to be in it?

Wow. Wow. Maybe there's a possibility. I like I said cross her be in it. No, for

sure. Daisy's not going to be in the speech. She's not. We might not make the speech. I'm going to do my best to work

out the speech. Why didn't they just tell us so we could support you though? Yeah, because I just Listen, I was given

one ticket. I've just We get our own tickets. I just didn't think that you guys would

make the trek to LA and spend I love LA in Utah. The several hundred on the

ticket. Man, I've spent several hundred on [ __ ] That's a fact. True. I spent

several hundred on the big titty AI white girl. Uh a couple couple months ago. [ __ ] what

are you talking about? You think I won't give it to you? I mean, I think I'm going to use it to support you. You I

stand corrected. I stand corrected. Shirts made like we could have really hot and bothered hoodies. There's still

some time. There's still some time. I'm over it. Not now. Next. Next year.

Why did he said they only gave you one? Why you ain't telling you I'm not coming if if I ain't coming? Oh, yeah. No, no, no. That was that was not going to

happen. And I want to go. I'm absolutely going. I wanted to go when you was went when you won. Like I don't want to go next year. I'm going to win next year.

Oh. What award is it? It's called the Gracie Awards. She don't. Okay. Yeah. Awards. Women in media. It's their 50th

anniversary this year. Oh, this you should. Yeah. Some personal stuff. I would have been like, "Yeah, well, I'm definitely

going to win. I'm defin This is This is the first of many." So, you know. So, you think you're going to be a backtoback Gracie Award winner? You

think there's going to be season? I absolutely do. Okay. Yeah. I've I've also like put into the universe that I'm

going to have an NAACP. Wait, what did you say? some some shady. What did you just say, Mark? What? I thought I was

just trying to follow the Florida conversation. I just woke up. I'm sorry. It was an honest. It was a sincere question. You said you get an

NAACP award, too. I that I'm going to see sweetheart. I'm manifesting that.

Wait, hold on. Oh, I thought you meant you. No, I'm manifesting. Have you ever met Farrakhorn? I have not. Yo, wait,

hold on. Y'all going crazy. Okay. Okay, enough. Shout out to Mr. Farrak. Enough.

What I will say is this. I want that same grace extended if I

shoot at you because the grace that you extended cuz he's a doctor cuz he got a PhD is getting ridiculous and I'm going

to stop it. You shooting at me for years.

Stop enough. If you're new out there, we always act up in front of company. We That's when that's when we really in

front of family. That's what we graduated. We can fight family.

A family that could walk to the fridge but don't exactly know where everything is in

like your first time. Um predictions on on how this uh Joey Batt [ __ ] is going

to go for it seems like it's going to keep going. Yeah. More rapping. Yeah. Who do y'all have up right now? Um Joey.

Joey. Although that that race [ __ ] was hard. I can't lie. That RA Only I'm going say Joey. I mean Ray is because I

think he benefits way more from this moment than Joey does. He's got a great like literally he's like he really

killed that [ __ ] Like that was crazy. He did. He did. But just in terms of the bars like right now I got Joey home

advantage. We in New York we supposed it's just and that Ray Vaughn album is incredible. It really is. Yeah it is. I

went back to take a listen. I ain't going to hold you. He might he might I like where he stands just off the

strength of that. Like if you got a great product that you could direct people to in the middle of a war, it's a

great time to go get in the middle of a beef word, especially with somebody that's going to keep it going with you, right? He ain't going to ignore you or

none of that. And then young [ __ ] could join like you said. So like if it could be a little [ __ ] it's opportunity. That's how it was back in

the 2000 when everybody was beefing. You would see a [ __ ] might go at Ho. You see a [ __ ] that want to show Hobie with him. He's shooting back. It's like

that's the way it works. They didn't play like that with me back in the day. Just to make myself clear cuz yo, you had a They didn't make No, that ain't

why. That ain't why I jumped on these boys asses out there. Pause. I jumped on I didn't leave no room for uh indirect

direct you, your camp, your mans. Everybody got it. Joe responded to [ __ ]

that he thought was about hit me though. They weren't talking about you, dog.

Hit me out though. But when you a little [ __ ] you see one of your It's different. Joe, I'm telling you, he hit he got a hit. So now is he dissing us,

you up there, [ __ ] God damn. So like it becomes more valuable. The disc becomes more worth it because now it's

like this [ __ ] has already got a hit. Every, by the way, everybody's trying to get a hit. So he had it. So he didn't

have to and you still did it. That's what made it more diabolical. I think I ain't play with you [ __ ] back anyway. You had you had to hit, [ __ ] You like

you got the dad. Why you [ __ ] with us? Um but I like the synergy. I like the synergy in hip hop. Love it. Me too. I do. Shout shout out to the old team.

Keep it cool. Keep it cool. And it sound like they all want to keep it cool. That's the best part. I agree. They know we talking about it. That's what they

get. This is number one hip-hop podcast talking about them. They won. That's the whole point of it. Not just hip-hop. Shout out to the Golden Globes.

They're number one. I'm sorry for disrespecting my family. There we go. All good. Or 49 depending on what chart you look at. Uh

yo, um I want to shout out the producers though. Both of them beats. Yeah. Yeah.

Yo, you have no idea how frustrating it is when you in the middle of a war with somebody and you go to producers for the

beat packs and nothing is matching your vibe. Yep. So, for them to have beats in

the tuck. Mhm. Love it. Absolutely love it. Okay. Joe, can I ask you a question?

Sure you can. When you when you I got here late. Um I know that you have been

home. You don't trick me no more, buddy. I know you trying to line me up with

whatever you're saying right now. I am absolutely not. This is an honest question. No, but it's not. The lineup's

coming later. Okay. Yeah. Um, this was a basketball question. Did Did you start I came here late. Did you start the show?

No. With a whole bit? Nope. No. Nothing. Nothing. Y'all let that go. Y'all let that roll.

Yeah, we did. So, can we at least address the elephant in the room? cuz we

had to sit through like 30 minutes of shut the [ __ ] up, everybody mute up the all that [ __ ] Like, can you please

speak to your punk ass New York Knicks right now? Ray is also Nick. Oh my god, I didn't know he's going in.

Philadelphia, everybody who [ __ ] the bed should shut the [ __ ] up right now. Everybody whose team had a chance to go

to the Eastern Finals and didn't do [ __ ] should shut the [ __ ] up right now. You're right. Everybody who watched

Jason Tatum injured and the Boston Celtics completely hobbled and all they had to do was beat a terrible ass broke

ass team and go to the Eastern Finals but didn't do [ __ ] to shut the [ __ ] up right now. That's what should happen

right now. Is that right, Joe Button? Is that right, Joe Button? Joe Button.

Exactly. What's that [ __ ] name? That ran point for the Celtics. He don't even start. Bob Koozie. Might as well have

been Bob Koozie running around your [ __ ] asses. Y'all gave 34 to a [ __ ] that had four last game. How the [ __ ]

that happened, Joe Button? How the [ __ ] that happened, Joe Button? Well, Mike check. What happened to Nixon five? What

happened to Nick and five? You said Nixon five. You said Nick and five me up. This

[ __ ] we want to end it in six, [ __ ] Who the [ __ ] is we? We want to end it at home, [ __ ] Watch your mouth. How you

going? How you going to end that home, [ __ ] How you going to end that home when this nigga's going to the game?

He's not though. He's not. He's not. Oh, we're not let go.

The fat Joe said word. M check. Watch your [ __ ] mama. Turn it

up. You can't even You can't even sit in the button seats. Oh [ __ ] Let's get it.

I'm working on Friday. Let's talk. Let's talk. We want egg at home. That's

all I know. Oh, you it's going to capital [ __ ] New York. We want to end

it on the field. 25 years [ __ ] been tonight.

Period. Don't let that [ __ ] talk to you cuz he a doctor, [ __ ] He from Philly, [ __ ] He from Philly. The house is in a

kiss, [ __ ] We got We got They still got the train in

the street, [ __ ] My [ __ ] King Le Mo. I love you, [ __ ] But they still got the train tracks in the street, [ __ ]

And the horses we pass that do got the horses out. Queens [ __ ] New York, Madden, Brooklyn, Staten Island. Talk

this [ __ ] Joe. He can't say [ __ ] Tonight the game play [ __ ]

Tonight the game being m check. Mic check. 1212. It's about to get Pardon me. Pardon me. Pardon me. Don't

Philadelphia 76 is shutting the [ __ ] up. Don't be distracted by the voices of of

fans of lottery teams. M you you guys should be out scouting high schools and

colleges right now. You have the third pick and you ruined all your other picks. Shout out to Ace Bailey. Yo, real

quick. I'm a Nick fan for a long time, so I'm not going to manipulate the airwaves and jinx my squad, but we

haven't closed out a series in the

Garden in 25 years. And with this golden opportunity up 3-2

against the defending champions. Oh, now they the defending champions. They are, aren't they? When he was kicking kicking

the ass last week, they was they was the worst team ever. Pardon me. Pardon me. Pardon me. Forgive

me, sir. I'll mute up. Now that we have a chance to close out the defending

champions right there on 7th Avenue in front of all of the great Knicks, in

front of the Dolan's, the Kardashians, the Joe's, both Joe, Fat Joe and Joe, Buddy, the

Joe's, you know what I mean? We won't be able to see the game

by the time this comes out, but I anticipate that we close out. Uh right

now Chris Dash Porzingis should be getting uh some steroid shots or something to help him with his

breathing. I know he's had trouble. We want him to be well. Tatum is our brother. He had the surgery. We want him

to be well. Uh if you Celtic fans are hanging your hat on the Lou Cornet game

where he had eight blocks and eight points and eight assists or the Derek White game. 34, right? 34. Then we'll

see. I like our chances. cuz I think the Knicks are the better team and I do anticipate we close out the defending

champions tonight. What happened to all that Nixon five [ __ ] that Oh, Nixon six. No, no, no. But

the question is what happened with all that you talking all that [ __ ] Y'all supposed to go on Boston be how'd y'all

[ __ ] the bed this bad? Sleepy, sleepy, sleepy. So much traveling with the playoff schedule being every other day,

man. Sleepy. Tired. Some [ __ ] was fighting with their girls. Some [ __ ] girls went through their iPad and [ __ ]

you know what I mean? Before you go to the iPad, [ __ ] had to have a little fight. You mean you never know. Some

people just sleepy. But uh I think we'll be fine. I think we'll be fine. Hey Mark, we six fans. You know that though,

right? I know. But we got sometimes we got to shut the [ __ ] up. I I I took it last game. No, we still got to shut up.

So if they lose again, you still ain't going to talk [ __ ] I can't We We can't talk [ __ ] If they get eliminated, you going to talk [ __ ] to who? We ain't get

there. See, that don't mean nothing to me. I'm good. He going to talk his [ __ ] Yeah. Only cuz he is. I chocked it. I

lost the bet to him this year. I I took the L. But now you can't talk this crazy about the Knicks and then they they [ __ ]

the bed. You don't say nothing. And the uh Subway series starts in New York this week. And New York should be absolutely

on fire this week. Yes. To be honest with you. Oh my god. And the Jersey Transit. Transit. Oh my god. It whoop my

ass on the way in here today. Really? Wow. Traffic was horrible. Yeah. Horrible. That's why traffic was so

crazy. I was in Brooklyn. I was coming. That explains it. I drive and [ __ ] Now there's a rumor that you're not going to

the game. No. Didn't I thought you bought game six tickets? I did. What

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can't say. Jump his ass. If he went to that game and they they lose. He not going to make it out. Yeah. You might be the least popular Nick fan ever if they

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I mean? Shout out to you. Good man. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Smart. Yeah. Yeah. Good man. Somebody here got to keep in touch with their dad and someone who's

rooting for the Knicks. Thank you. Somebody on this broadcast got to keep a

healthy relationship with their father. Well, hold on. So, um All right. Get him

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Gracie awardw winning ma'am. Okay. Uh so today marks the fifth day of Shawn Diddy

Combmes trial. Uh Cassie is still on the witness stand. This I believe is her

third day testifying. Y um and uh she's been handed over to from the prosecution

to the defense. So they've been really just kind of like hammering home certain points. You know, yes, we admit he's an

abusive piece of [ __ ] However, the charges are um sorry, what are the charges? The charges are sorry,

racketeering, transportation to engage in prostitution and sex trafficking. So, they're trying to say that one doesn't

equal the other. The one thing that I want to, you know, kind of highlight is how

consistent she has been with her testimony. It's been very she's been delivering her testimony with very with

a very just the facts ma'am kind of tonality which I think is really

important because obviously the questions that she's being asked she's being asked to relive trauma um and

she's being asked to read text messages that seemingly contradict her claims and

she's still doing it in a very succinct very matter-of-fact manner and first and

foremost doing it while eight eight and a half I was about to I was about to say that. So the prosecution has now brought

up a point to the judge and they said this last night they think they said that the uh the defense is purposefully

asking redundant questions over and over and over again to try to see if she

won't go into labor which will then you know um a mistrial will have to be

called. I I call 100% cap on that. If there's one team that does not want her

to go into labor, it's the defense team. I think the defense feels that she is pivotal, like vital to whatever it is

they need to prove. The most probably I think they've said she's the most important person in the case that we're trying to present. I don't think they

want her to go into labor and and I think we saw that in the cross- examination yesterday because what she

read in the cross- examination because like you said, they force her to read the text out loud. I think at the very least they want to rattle her because if

you're rattled, you're not going to do as well in the chair. That's the idea, right? But some of the stuff she had to read aloud, particularly the one from

August 2009, uh when when uh Puff asked her when she

wanted the next sex encounter to be, and she replied, "I'm always ready to freak

off." Okay. Um and then two days later, she sent um him an explicit message. She

wrote back, he repli, he he liked it. And then she responded, "Me, too. I just want it to be uncontrollable." And so

the defense is going to try to say that that's evidence, that there was no coercion, that there was no control,

that she just is a freak like him and they doing freaky [ __ ] and whatever else is going on, there's no charge there

with that. And the prosecution is going to have to prove that despite those texts, there was coercion or because of

those texts, there was coercion. Like she had to write that kind of stuff. So that that's a battle. So I agree. I think the prosecution I mean the defense

wants Cassie in that chair. That's the easiest. It's going to be hard because we know Dawn Richard is going to hit the

stand next day. They going to come for blood. Yeah.

They know but and they kind of know what they're getting there, but Cassiey's the most vulnerable for this because she's the one who's been there the longest,

right? And it's harder to and she sets the stage for everything. Absolutely. You know, she's the one that was triggered everything. She triggered the

whole thing. She did. She did. She did. And so, you know, there's a term that keeps coming up right now um and it's

Stockholm syndrome. And I think that it's applicable in this kind of situation. It just it's dependent on

what you believe. And apparently there is a lot of protesting going on at the at the courthouse right now. It is a mad

house. Media protesters on both sides of the aisle. Um it's complete and total chaos down there. There's people

chanting in support of of Diddy. There's people who are chanting in support of you know um you know their their pursuit

of justice. Um whatever that looks like. Um, but it's it's just literally like what

you believe. Do you believe that she's a victim and that she figured out a long

time ago based on his enforcers um his enforcement of the of of the of the

imprisoned life that she was forced to lead that she just said some things to

get along because, you know, you you want to make your captor happy. You don't want to piss them off kind of

thing. you know, they they they named a lot of times where she wasn't captive, though. I think I think that I think

that what people need to understand of what captive captivity actually looks like because captivity is not just

physical, especially if you've been abused for a really long amount of time. There is an erosion of your sense of um

um free will. I agree. I mean, you can kidnap kids. Sometimes they get sent to the store, they come back to the kidnap,

they don't run, they go back back home again. Okay. I want to let the audience know from this point forward you might

hear an opinion that contrasts from you guys'. Absolutely. There should be. I

want I just want to let people know. Yeah. So, it's difficult to say that what y'all are saying when she

eventually ended up not only escaping but escaping with one of the handlers and paid with Puff's credit card. Okay.

It's tough to paint you as someone that was trapped when we're going to uh throw

all these instances where you seemingly were away and you left for good. So, if

you were able to leave for good at one point, then what happened at all these other points entry uh points of exit. I

can't speak on what. And again, neither am I. I'm not inserting my opinion of this. Like Mel said, this is going to

come down to well, so far cuz I do think I do think that the feds are going to prove their case. Mhm. Like let me let

me start with I not only do I think the feds are going to prove their case, but I think that the requirement the

standard is so low for what they have to prove. They may have already proven it.

I want to stay say that. But I don't think Cassie looked the greatest during cross. So this comes down to do you

believe that she was being sex trafficked or do you believe that she was in an abusive druginfested toxic

relationship? I I think um Go ahead. I think it it it is the sex traffic part.

Part of it being because she was his employee, not just his girl. So that I'm controlling your finance. There's the

coercion part. I'm paying you. Um we went over the definitions, the three things that have to be hit for it to be

sex trafficking. Um one of them being a a commercial sex act. There is the

hiring of the escorts and transporting them in or to wherever they were. So

that is that part. Um the coercion is if I am in control of

basically your money. I got you under contract. You can't do this. You can't do that as far as your music goes and

I'm paying you. There is some level of control there which could lead to the

the coercion point. So I I think they got him already on the sexuality part

personally. I can't hear you. No. First and foremost, I want to say that

um what didn't work in Cassy's favor is Puff Lawyer Eststeo, I think that's

her name. She was extremely gentle with Cassie, right? Extremely. And they

shared laughs and understanding. I think that may work in the favor of Puff, you know, cuz

the law cuz a lot of lawyers, they come in, they try to hammer you down and force you to answer questions. So, she was gentle with her and they got on the

same accord. But what also what I think is that when I listen to this or read on it, like Joe said, Cassie has gotten

away a couple of times to even get into a couple of different relationships. Uh even when she was with Kid Cuddy, um she

still reached out to Puff and was talking about she wants to participate in Freak Off. So these things right now

are I don't want to say smoking gun, but contradicts what the feds are saying or the AC, you know, some of the

accusations. Ma'am, do you agree? Well, I just want to make a point to say that there have been times where actual

kidnapped victims like Elizabeth Smart where her captor allows her to like go

to the store or be out in public. You know what I'm saying? Like this is somebody who But she wasn't kidnapped.

No, no, I'm I'm just I'm I'm using an extreme example to demonstrate because everybody keeps saying, "Well, she got

away at times." Do you know how the stat what the statistics say about domestic violence victims? How long it takes for

them to actually leave for good? It's usually about six to seven times, six to

seven different attempts and they end up going back. And there's a whole psychology um that you know discusses

why do victims keep on going back to their abusers or their captors? And I don't think that the vast majority of us

are in a position to even discuss this because we just don't have that amount of See, but that's where the divide is.

And I and I I I understand. I'm with you. Slow down cuz I see you getting your I see it. I'm just I see it

happening. I see it. Come on. Slow it down. We talk. We talked before. Oh, I'm

fine. I promise. She's all right. She got it. What I'm saying is that's where the line is, right? Like

everything you just said is 100% valid. Uh, do you believe

that anything that has to do with Cassy's participation falls under the,

like you said, Stockholm's uh, [ __ ] she was Stockholm. She was young. Uh,

yeah, she was, uh, trauma versus the people that believe that she

played more of a part and is not just a victim in this. I fall on the side of

the former. I fall on the side of the former that she was young because the I think it was the the defense asked her,

"Do you feel like at the age of 22 that you were, you know, that you were a fully, you know, formed and consenting

adult and whatever the case is?" And she apparently kind of looked up and said, "No." And I think that it's just the

side that I'm on. I just I believe See, I call cap on that. Okay. And and for the listen, I'm not a legal

attorney, so the [ __ ] that I'm saying is not uh I'm not speaking to what ramifications tell me about things will

have in court. What's cap about that?

There's the the flip side of that that says some of these 22 year olds know exactly what they're what they're doing

and getting themselves into and they they sought that out. [ __ ] Uh, I'll go

as far as to say that some of these 22 year olds are led there by their parents even like we saw that in R. Kelly case.

So, so there's duality here is all I'm saying. I'm not in certain where I stand on nothing cuz it's all sensitive. Well,

in R. Kelly, I mean like they were children. They were under the age of consent. So, and their parents served them up on that's the biggest difference

between R. Kelly. That is the hugest difference. But also, we sat up here a few weeks ago and talked about Drea and

Jaylen Green, who is what, I don't know, 22 years old or something like that, and basically said he is a child. She's the

adult in this situation, and she should know better. So, we're we we can't have

the goalpost. Puff it both ways. Wait, Puff is all of the things they say he is. Yes. My conversation about Cassie is

not to negate what he is. He is a manipulator, an abuser, and Yeah. Yeah, that all of those things that we said

about Drea are in play here still. If you're dating Yeah. and much more. You're dating a younger girl, you know

what you're doing. You know what time it is over here. Yeah. So, and when you are when you are a man of puff stature,

fame, power, influence, wealth, and you got a 19year-old girl who now at this

point, you know, she's she's talking they they've graduated to the point of her being 22. I think that during those

ages there was a lot of manipulation and just kind of like

and grooming and I know you know I that happened during those years to where

like I said you know some prisons don't look like prisons to other people but there's a reason why they're called

gilded cages and hold on just that there's the other part of he's doing things and getting away with it. So like

cool I get away she [ __ ] with K Cuyu. Okay, boom. You blow the car up and there's no repercussion at all. That could scare the [ __ ] out of somebody

like, you know what? If he could do this and get away with it, what the [ __ ] could he do to me and and no and and

just walk away scotfree? There's a reason why it took 30 years to take down [ __ ] Harvey Weinstein. 30 years.

Because you you start to see that there is absolutely no consequences to the act

to to the actions that this person has perpetrated. And they are illegal and they are they well they can kill people.

Okay. Well well I want to read to y'all because I just want to present all sides

and y'all could of course I'm going to read y'all what Willie D had to say because I mean I enjoy Willie D.

Southern man. I absolutely love Will my brother. Shout out to Willie D.

Uh, Willie D says, "I know some of you are about to

be tight over what I'm about to say, but I'll take my chances." See, Willie D is brave in the [ __ ] already. He jumping

out there, but that's why I [ __ ] with him. Yeah. I don't have a dog in the fight, but

using Cassie's youth as a blanket excuse for the choices she made during her decadel long relationship with Diddy is

problematic because it removes the necessary element of accountability without which no one learns or

grows. Diddy and Cassie is a cautionary tale from men who use their money and power to abuse others. On the flip side,

it tells young women who will come after Cassie, "No matter what you get yourself into and who gets hurt, as long as you

are young, you won't be held accountable." By her own admission, she stayed not out of fear, but because she

didn't want another woman to take her place. Cassie is not some helpless victim. She is a savvy home wrecking

opportunist who left Ryan Leslie for Diddy knowing he was with Kim Porter

simply to upgrade her lifestyle. Turning both Kim and Ryan into collateral

damage. And let's not forget the kids. In court, she testified that she enjoyed the freakoffs, just not as often as

Diddy did. She ultimately left him for the trainer he paid for, tried to blackmail him for 30 million, and when

that failed, sued him and walked away with 20 million. Now that she's the prosecution star witness trying to bury

him, yes, Diddy was abusive and should have been punished for it. But let's not

pretend Cassie didn't cash in after every black No, I'm not I don't feel comfortable saying that. I don't feel

comfortable reading the last slide of that. Some of that I kind of get the gist of, but I think the main thing

that's important is that Cassie is not on trial. Yeah, that's the other thing. And I I think he's wrong about

all of that. I think we have to start from there, right? Cassie is not on trial. And also the term home wrecker. I'm just like, why is the onus always

put on on the woman? There's so many things and I love Willie D, but I just I

have to disagree with him on a few of those things. I don't think holding people accountable for the harm they cause me means that

the victims don't have accountability too is just not the point. If I were to

you got that very expensive chain on and if you were to walk through a really terrible neighborhood at 3:00 a.m.

unarmed by yourself with that chain on, you might get robbed. I know not to do it. You know, right? And but when you

get robbed, yeah, I I would say to you, you made some bad choices, but that doesn't negate the fact that the person

who who you should be able to do that about Mark, you you actually helping I have been quiet this, but you actually

helping the other side. You don't even see it. You're really helping the other side. Cuz what what I know I shouldn't

be out in the hood at 3:00 in the morning with my chains on. But why? Because there's predators there. But here's the problem. No, but here's the

problem. Here's the real issue. The real issue is how No, don't don't lose that point though. Okay. No, I'm about to tell you I'm about to answer that. the way men see the world and the way women

see the world, right? So, the way men see the world, if you're my woman, I'm going to be like, "Yo, babe, don't wear that because I know how men are." Now,

you'll say, "That's not how men's supposed to be. They shouldn't be that way." But men are smart enough to know that. That's not the way the world

works. Just because you wear you Yeah, I should be able to wear my chain everywhere, but I'm smart enough to know where the wolves are, right? So, my

thing is when you lay with wolves, you got you almost got to know you laying with a wolf. So, so my hold on, hold on.

But to your point, what if you didn't know that, right? And that's part of where the 19 didn't know what to not wear your chain there. There's mother

What if you didn't grow up anywhere near the hood, don't know nothing about being robbed, robbery, nothing like that. But you watch TV and saw a chain and got a

chain. Yep. And now you wearing it somewhere where somebody with some with some street nut sense would know not to

wear that there. But you don't know cuz you're not from there, never been there. And when we see them cuz you're young and inexperienced in that life. And

guess what happens? Usually somebody says, "Yo, you know where you at. Put that chain away." You know, you know what else they say? Let me get that

chain. That's my point. Exactly. You're right. That's right, too. There's a chance. But at the end of the day, the point is you should live in we we the

ideal world isn't one where you hide from the predators. It's one where there aren't predators. And in this case, I

just feel like again, I might if if Cassie was my sister, my mom might be like, "Yo, that's a bad situation to get into." All true, but at the end of the

day, the question is, did did he do harm? But and and the second thing, and I want you to jump in. I just want to just finish this thought real quick. The

second thing though to me is that doesn't necessarily mean that the crime that the legal standard for the crime in

this case was met. Right. That's that's my only concern. Yeah. Which which I agree. I agree. So, so that's where it

comes down to visit to to trust in Cassy's word or did. But what I don't want us to do is to believe that because

someone came back home, because someone didn't run at the first sight, because someone enjoyed a freakoff, that that

means necessarily that they weren't being captive. That's what I'm saying. It doesn't mean they were. But how? But

how though? The example I gave that Mel gave is that lots of people who are victims of things end up developing a

psychological condition where they stay. Again, children get kidnapped. They get brought to a whole new city. They they

know they have other parents and if the kidnapper saves them long enough, they can send them to the store and the kid will come back. True. Slaves will

enslaved people will literally leave a plantation and then go back. They won't be afraid to leave. Doesn't mean slavery wasn't bad. True. So, all I'm saying is

like the I'm not saying that we know everything that happened in Cass and Dy's house. I'm just saying that I wouldn't assume

that because she stayed a long time that that's proof that Diddy didn't do it. Mark, real quick, you just stated that

um Cassie is not on trial here, right? That's what you said. But on the flip hand is that the stuff that Diddy is

being accused of, he's the the the stuff that he's on trial for does not fit the circumstances right now and what's being

said. That's my only problem. That's why them is not on trial. He's

not on trial for being an abuser, a manipulator, for taking advantage. He's on trial for sex trafficking, and

whatever the other two are. Here's the problem. Y'all, if I'm looking from Puff's POV, y'all are saying I sex

trafficked my girl who I'm supposed to take care of. This is my girlfriend. Yo, y'all, and I know that it's easy to

paint Puff as the monster. He's done a great job of it himself. True. But nobody is that 100% of the time. part of

his manipulation and [ __ ] is the charm and all of that all of that that

goes along with So what do you do when Puff's attorney is saying there were

times where he was fully functional on the drugs and you kept going to to be clear what let me finish what what do

you do when the the Puff's attorney is saying hey there were times when Puff

was urging you that we can't freak off you have a role that you have to get

ready for we can't do this and you were the person that continued and urged this to go on. Like it's not just the picture

that y'all are painting. And again, this falls on which side you believe. Do you believe that he was sex trafficking

Cassie? And again, I think that they going to get him with the next few. I just don't think I just don't think they

did a great job with Cassie. For clarity, for for my sake and for the listener's sake, isn't so most of the

sex trafficking not regarding her being sex trafficked, but the prostitutes and other people that were being brought in.

She basically sets the stage because she was there and present for and also instructed them and having sex with and

instructed to quote unquote purchase them, you know, purchase their time, right? You know, all we talking about is that sexual

uh moments and this is a RICO trial. If this was a domestic violent trial or a state trial, I wouldn't care. All Here's

here's why it matters. Here's why it's relevant. And I agree the the the domestic abuse as such is not on trial.

Yes. But the problem is when you're trying sex trafficking because of those elements of coercion or fraud or force,

yes, you need to establish I have to establish how you're using force and how you're coerc coercing somebody. And

that's where saying, well, he's beating the [ __ ] out of me and if I don't do it, he's going to beat the [ __ ] out of me again. When when people get trafficked

in other countries, that's often it's the fear that they take your green card or your your documentation, but it's also the the fear that they'll cut you

or or shoot you or beat you. So, the fear of violence is a for is a form of enforcement of sex trafficking. And so,

I think y'all are right in the implicit point y'all are making, and I agree with you, which is the pro the the prosecution is is not just using it for

that purpose. They're trying to make the jury just they they want the jury to prosecute Puff for being a monster, not

for the particular crime. But they do have a legitimate and they're doing a great job at that. They're doing a great job at just this guy's a piece of [ __ ]

Convict him off off that. That's what it is. Like we shouldn't need anything more. That's true. But it just so happens that his piece of [ __ ] habits do

are relevant for but what he's doing he was supposed to do. Like that's my woman. I'm going to put my girl is right

there. I'm going to give her money and we going to be It's like am I sex trafficking now? Like if she's mad at me

that's the way it reads. They talking in court like they talking in court language which is why I'm letting it

rock. I'm talking on [ __ ] [ __ ] Yeah. Yeah. It it is relevant in [ __ ] [ __ ]

and parks. Exactly. It is relevant that she was with Ryan Leslie prior to ever meeting

do and y'all saying she's not on trial but she kind of is because her behavior in the past is relevant to what happens

with this man's future. So say more. I'm not following. Say how

they painting her as a fast little hussy. Got it. I see what you're saying. Opportunist. They painting her as

somebody that maybe didn't have [ __ ] didn't have no way of ever having [ __ ] I see what you're saying. And saw a

powerful man, was attracted to that, left the [ __ ] she was with, ded him,

and went and signed up for all of this [ __ ] Maybe not knowing what she was getting into. I don't want to sound like I don't think she knew, but but I think

that might be the actual knew. I don't think so either, but I think what she just might be the She might have been like, "That's a lick." She might have

got in there and said, "Fuck [ __ ] Kim." Right. He did. He did. He did. He

did a lot. Yeah. To give her to take her away from him. So, it don't necessarily mean that she slid again with Cuy.

She was with Cuddy and slid again. She slid every time he asked her to slide. Stop with this Cassie innocence. I'm not

I can't I can't I don't think she's all the way innocent in it. I also think she's a victim and he's going away and

horrible things were done. But I don't I I think they both So let me ask you the

question. If if he's the one on trial and you believe that she's the victim and he's going away, why are we worried

about how we painting her? Because I know because the [ __ ] that was outside for a while, don't look at that as

artist to CEO. That's why because Cassie put her song out and nobody in no that

had two cents in the music business thought Cassie's coming out with more music. She's the fire. Nobody thought

that. And we've seen mad times. Karisha just [ __ ] did it. Yep. What are we talking about? I know we in court. So

cool. But don't act like we don't know the [ __ ] that see the CEO think I can

get with him and I'm never doing music again. They make that trade all the time. I'm not talking all the time. Joe.

No, no, no. I understand. It's a question cuz from what I remember it was from what I remember if I mean we can

actually look it up. I feel like her it's not like her debut album was a dud. You know what I'm saying? So in the way

that you're saying that nobody had any expectations that she was going to have another album. I don't think that that's

necessarily true from the inside. Okay. If you're in the music business I

think other people may have. If you're in the music business you got to understand her coming in. We all knew she was a Ryan Lesie creation. They Ryan

Leslie's girlfriend that he created, he produced everything and then she left Ryan Leslie being his creation. It becomes Puff creation because whatever

it is, it might have been bigger. But the part that bothers me is that we don't see we don't acknowledge what really happens. What happens is is that

Puff brings like because we hate Puff so much, right? We hate him, right? I get that. But this was an employee of his, a

trainer that he hired to train him and her that takes her away. She writes a book basically saying, "Give me 20

million for this, 30 million for this and this." Nobody and the and the personal trainer white guy just walking around like he's harmless. Like it's cra

like dog Puff's not a great person. I can get that. But that don't mean he deserves everything worse and he's the only bad. This is not a Tyler Perry

movie where he's only one bad guy. It's bad people in every scenario. He's the one that feds went and got and is on

trial and he's who they want. But my point is she's the author that got immunity. See, we don't never pay no

mind to the person that got immunity. Why does she need immunity? Like we was both doing it. I just I I can see a

legitimate. Sorry. I before you finish I can't no when you when you when you finish I was going to I was going to say

everybody se is you're talking about everybody having this perception that that album was a one and done and he was

never going to do anything else that's No you was there too hold on you seen that girl be paraded everywhere and

introduced and introduced as puff girl and if you play with her he'll hurt you

understood that was out there from 02 or whenever the [ __ ] they meant to whenever

And I was in the studio and I was there. He said the same. That's it. That was separated that girl. That was his girl.

He did the thing that he does. I was going to say that just because it was other people's perception that that was

a oneand done. I don't necessarily think that that was her perception. I think that she was sitting there with hope

again hoping against music again. She thought she and and also she talks about

No, but also No, no, no, no. Wait. I want to No, hold on. Let me I was working on her project. It wasn't Wait,

let's get this roll with Mark. Either that's the naive or that's the cunning

savviness of somebody saying, "Hey, you know what would be a really good way to get my [ __ ] rocking? To suck his dick."

No, no, I hear you. I'm saying what All I'm saying is you don't I don't think she was too young to have that thought.

I'm not That's not what I was saying. I was saying that going in that might have been her motiv. I said I I accept that might have been her total motivation for

getting into that relationship. I was just we we were responding Mel and I were responding to the idea of everybody

knew no more music was coming once they got together and we were saying no she probably thought something else was coming and that's part of why she stayed

but that's for good reason or bad reason. Well I think that's what that well that's where I ride with y'all. Same thing make you laugh make you cry.

That's what's going to get hold. There's just there's just so there's just one thing that I want to

say in regards to this is the fact that during her testimony she uses a term called work busy. And when what she

means when she uses that term is that he kept the facade going by having her work

with producers and go and write music and whatever else. He knew he was never going to [ __ ] put out any more music

and everybody else got the memo. She literally did not get the memo because she was that's why she called it work

busy and in hindsight she realized oh he was just keeping helping helping to keep

the lie going in order to like you know persuade me into believing that I had I

was one of the producers by the way I was in the studio working on her project with Puff in the room our guys and I can

tell you from being in the music business you can tell when it ain't coming out they had no direction no nothing was just like yo just give us a

pl it was like no direction Puff will come and It was, you knew it. If you're on the inside of the music business, you

know when your [ __ ] ain't coming out. If you bring writers in town for a week and we don't come away with not one complete song, eventually you start knowing. And

that's what I'm saying. But just somebody said, why would she keep why why would if she knew her music wasn't

coming out? Why would she continue to play? Because she got the lifestyle without talking

about Mark, he put her up in a penthouse. She was living like a superstar. And then guess what? He probably would have been still taking

care of when they broke up, but she left with the music question. I understand I understand an argument you're making about the other thing. I was just saying

why, you know, if she knows that her music's not coming out, why bother? Why waste your time? Because still because

everything that comes from this platinum music I got already. So [ __ ] I'm just I'm fake working. I don't want to make

music. So I was just curious to know why she would even put play. If you asking me, if you asking me, I think that there

was a lot of stoppages between this timeline that they trying to reconfigure as her being this artist that was

chasing a career. She was not. Okay. A question for me. If, and this is what

I asked last time, if how was she able to leave with the trainer if he was so

controlling and Stockholm syndrome and and all that, right? like if if he was

controlling like like I said or like they saying and he she was being watched and she couldn't move, how was she able

to leave with the trainer that he hired for her? That's Listen, me and my girlfriends were talking about this in the car last night. That is that I that

is the [ __ ] I would [ __ ] love to know. And that's where I can't [ __ ] with them. So that's where I can't No, no,

just wait. Hold on one second here. I just said less like about 5 minutes ago how many times it takes victims of

domestic violence to leave their partners and how many times they they keep going back. But for a lot of women,

sometimes there is the final time. Also, I want to make mention that that within

the first few weeks of a of a woman trying to leave a domestic violence incident, that is when she has the

highest statistical rate of being unalived by her by her mate. So, there's

real there is real fear that nobody Okay. Hey, can I can I just say something to you and Mel? And I'm on

y'alls's side. Of course I am on their side. I hired them so I could be on

their side. She not on No, for real. That's right. All right. How she with a trainer Joe? Huh? The [ __ ] was Well, if

the [ __ ] was all that Come on. Listen, cuz what? Wait, let me say this. She left plenty times. That's what I'm saying. Mark, let me say this. Wait, let

me say this in response to Mel. Mel, on the flip side of what you're saying, this is going to sound horrible. But I

am going to say it because women are not a monolith. We're not. There are some women that

really like the controlling guy. I'm telling you, there are some women that

are attracted to the toxic ain't [ __ ] I'm in the house controlling, demanding,

jealous. I'll [ __ ] your ex up. Oh, for sure. I will not deny that for a single

second. Yes, absolutely. Okay, got it. Absolutely. I don't know Cassie enough. That's why they put that in her jacket.

But I know there's a flip side to that. That's unf and that's usually born out of some kind of trauma or some kind of

experience where somebody did that. No one just wakes up like I want to be control. Mark, it's my only issue with this. Well, just let me answer this

question first and so I think there's a couple things. I think one to Mel's point at some point

you do get enough and there's that. But your question is, if Puff's so dangerous and violent, why did it happen? Some of

it is timing. Some of it is when somebody's really in a bad space drug-wise, relationship wise, or he's

out [ __ ] somebody else for the next three weeks. That's the time to exit. Sometimes you stop caring about the fear

because after the sixth or the eighth time, you like, you know, [ __ ] it. If I look at Tina Turner, Ike didn't stop being violent to her when she left. She

just said, "Fuck it. I don't care anymore." You know what I mean? I' If I have to die to leave this situation, then I'll die to leave this situation.

And then some of it is sometimes you need um some courage. And sometimes it's when you meet the next guy that you get

the courage to leave. Now, that doesn't mean that the next guy is a good guy. That's okay. Thank you. I have no I

don't know. That's whack though. That is whack. I don't want to praise him. I don't want to I don't know anything about know if he walked in this room,

right? Um but what I know is sometimes you need somebody in your ear saying you can do this even if it's for their own

purpose. Even if it's for but you need somebody to do it. So that's a lot of the reasons why. But the last thing I would do is is advance the idea that

well Puff wasn't that bad. if he only because we've seen how bad he can be. Yeah, but he was that bad. He was bad

and that was his girl. And also and I also think that um Alex Fine was so

removed from he was an outsider. Yes, he was hired by Puff. I get that. But he

was basically an outsider to that massive circle. So anybody saying, "Well, I tried to pull her away, etc.,

etc." She she could literally have been living with the belief you are too close to the situation. He will send the

enforcers. He'll come [ __ ] get me. I'll get another [ __ ] beating. [ __ ] that. Can't go. But he But the

controlling monster guy just so happened to not do any of those things when you left with the help that he paid for. I

don't beat nobody up. He didn't shoot nobody. He didn't go. Not this time. I don't know how hot it was at that time.

Well, we talking about I'm I'm talking about this time. But I'm saying she's left with other people that other and [ __ ] happened. But let's be clear. We

Oh, when you said what's his name? Harvey Weinstein. You said Harvey Weinstein. We trying to compare Puff to the powerful rich men. It's one of the

powerful rich man. I wasn't finished. I'm sorry. He is a powerful rich man, but it's one of the fact that he's also

famous and when you're famous, women flock to you. Puff a Harvey wants everywhere he going I women. So, what

I'm saying is that when they try to paint him like he it's like he was also a celebrity that women wanted. So, she didn't want to give up that spot either.

Men wanted clearly. And by the way, she even marked she even said it. I didn't want to lose my spot.

And that's probably true too. Then then she played a role slightly in it. Well, if you acknowledge that, then you

acknowledge that this is more than just That's what I'm saying. Stockholm trauma

and she was young. But that is kind of part of Stockholm trauma is tell me. Yeah. Because because part of it you

start to associate with your your captor. You start to associate with your oppressor. And so I don't want to I want

him to like me. I don't want to lose this part is exactly consistent with Stockholm in a black

van picked up in a black van and threw in the car. He's not a captive. You do lose me there. I'm using I'm using

captive in the context of Stockholm. That's that's what it comes from. So in this case, it's not a literal captive,

but most domestic violence situations aren't literally those people are literally locked in. It's other factors. And again, that doesn't mean that cap

that there wasn't a personal issue. So you're weaponizing all the things that you was attracted to. That's what's really happening. That's what that's

what's happening. I'm just going to read for anybody who has a question and he's a piece of [ __ ] So everything is right

when it comes to P cuz he is a piece of [ __ ] Don't confuse what we saying with he's not a piece of [ __ ] But she ain't

just little miss Red Riding Hood that oh my god. I think we have to get out of the

cuz that's the same [ __ ] police say. Well, he was no he was no angel. I don't have to be an angel to not get shot. Right. We we we tend to you are if

you're going to if you lying on our whole history that's the only reason we keep talking about her because she keeps saying yo this was that and he's saying

no the [ __ ] it was not that's the only reason we can talk about it got to talk about it but I'm just saying on this

massive platform as you like to say that we we're not suggesting that person has to be a perfect or an angel or have

great charact I I'm not saying yeah I'm saying I just want to reinforce that because I don't she could she could be a

let's let's assume Cassie is the worst person everm Mhm. She still does deserve the things that Puff is accused of doing

to her and and that we've witnessed. What we're up here debating is whether or not Puff actually they say that she did stuff to

him. He just an accuser of it. So she so she went out first. It's like basically like who call who first? Like we but Joe

says the police first, now I'm the bad person. That's really what it is. Cuz when you look at it, she's like, I can't wait for the freak up. I want to be

uncontrollable from a as a man as a man, it triggers me because women tell you that type of [ __ ] all day. [ __ ] me out,

do this, do this. And then all of a sudden I do it and then all of a sudden she like you use me hold the like as a

man you become confused. I think we're getting confused again in what the trial is. It's the state and the feds versus

Puff. It is not Cassie versus Puff. It is not the state versus Cassie but it's versus Puff triggered off what he

supposedly did to Cassie. Here's my issue. I feel like because we because we watch the person that the person that

has immunity and like freakoffs just as much or more than me. I should be

allowed to say, "Hey, she was in there asking for the uh asking to get pissed on. She was in there asking if we could

fly jewels in. This was not just a master manipulation by puff. I should be able to say that shit." Yo, how I'm

supposed to know? But if you ask me for Wait, Ray, it's funny you say that cuz in court, that's what it's coming down

to. Now, I do think that more people are coming, but right this second, Puff's defense is saying, "How am I supposed to

know that you ever had a problem with any of the free calls when this has been your verbage to me?" That's what they discussing right now. So, I'm gonna I'm

let me just read this about people experiencing Stockholm syndrome, a psychological phenomenon where hostages

develop positive feelings toward their captors, often exhibiting behaviors like refusing to cooperate with authorities,

defending the abuser, and minimizing the abuse. They als they may also feel attached to or even sympathetic towards

the captor and struggle to detach and heal from the trauma. Can I Can I ask Can I ask Can I ask Can I ask you

something for Can I make one analogy thing when I was young? Can I make a

quick analogy? Go ahead. You're dating someone that loves cocaine. Yes. You buy them cocaine. Thought that

was great so far. Buying cocaine is illegal. Yes. There we go. Here we are. No, that's not

true. Why? Let's stay right here. Let's do it. You like cocaine. I like cocaine together. We in the trenches getting

cocaine. We're the coke couple. We are the cocaine couple. Let's go. Once we get caught, you flip. Correct. Then no,

no, no, no. Joe, Joe, Joe, you miss it, Joe. No, no, no. You missed it, Joe. Once you got tired of it cuz you want to

go to another place, you find love. Good for you. Find a husband. But you realize that that [ __ ] cost. So if you can't be

the victim, that's what is Michelle. I mean, um, I'm sorry. You just can't be a victim of it. If you wrote a book, hey

man, give me some money for this so I'm put it out. At that point, you're not a victim. You basically saying, "Nigga, you know I need some money." And he he

like, "You know, you picked who you picked." No, she's a victim and she's And she saying she became the victim after he said, "I'm not beating you 30

million for the book." Okay, now I'm going sue you. So, is that not true? I think that the My response to Parks is

you can't repaint history as if you wasn't down and then make it seem like I was forcing you to do Coke. And that's

my issue with the Coke. You Well, but in your example is really I like Coke and I introduced you to Coke. Yes. That's

where it's a little different. He introduced her to this [ __ ] She says that he taught her this. He like she was doing that prior to him, right? But you

was doing it after him and he at some points tried to get you off and put you in a drug rehab. Y'all can't keep

playing both sides of the fence with her. That becomes a question of the facts cuz she her I get what you're

saying. He's saying you was down for the free because you won some time but I didn't. I hear that. She's saying that's not what happened. And so we also at

some point have to decide whose version we believe or look at the evidence to see. I think this is the Tory trial all over again. I don't think any of that

matters to the charges that are being presented. Yeah. He is charged with bringing prostitutes over, sex

trafficking, using uh multiple businesses and such to do so, which is racketeering. I think they got him.

Yeah. I keep I keep saying I think they got him. Not the same exact similar scenario. We're all

arguing trial, which we will get to at some point. Yes. I just feel like when somebody has get gotten away with so

many things over the years, people try to find something to take him down

like like I don't want to use the words pin on him, but that's what that's what they do, right? Oh, he got look what

we're saying. He got away with it so many years and all that [ __ ] So, does that mean what he's on trial on flip? I

think you know what I mean? And I that's the only problem with the OJ situation. OJ situation. He got away with that [ __ ] and they just pinned that he tried to

for his it's just [ __ ] But OJ probably did it too. See that's I get I get what you're saying and that's the tough part.

Yeah, but he was not kill the [ __ ] he was actually convicted of. But the feds

aren't usually convicting people for that. He went in and stole his memorabilia back. He did he he that's what he went to jail for. Yeah. He

probably did it, but they they don't usually lock you up for that. Similarly, half the music industry does what Puff does. They're just not. So So today, not

half mark 95%. No doubt. So, today on the stand during the cross, they got

they got Cassie saying they have they're playing audio of Cassie threatening someone who threatened to leak uh she

said, "I'mma kill you." Uh yeah, somebody who threatened to leak footage from the the freakoffs. Uh she said I'm

that she threatened to kill them. Oh wow. But Mark, not she threatened to kill him, Joe, she said no, I will have

you killed. No one will know that I like it was like she went into it. Yeah. There'll be no blood on my hands. I've

never done this before. But it's almost like she's connected to someone who's capable of doing those kind of things. That's what I'm hearing. I don't think

she makes I think that makes Puff look bad now. Okay. So, let me So, let me Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. Time out, Mark. I think it makes them both look

bad. I'm sorry that I'm not saying it doesn't make her look bad, but I'm saying because she's not on trial. I'm

saying I don't think that helps puffs. And I want to make a I want to make a point to how Joe

just told you guys this. the way the wording that he used. I'm going to

reframe that with how it's written here just to show it's all about what you

believe. It's all about your perception based on the words that you hear and how you hear the words. Give me your back,

Bill. Jurors heard a recording of a distressed Cassie screaming at a friend

who said that he had been that he had seen a video of her performing sex acts. So, it's not even including this friend

in the video. He just says he has it. In the recording made by Cassie, who recorded herself in 2013, the man

claimed to have the video on his phone, Cassie is heard pleading to see the video and then threatening to kill him

if it became public. I've never killed anyone in my life, but I will kill you is what she said. She didn't say anything about, "I'll have somebody else

do it." At least it doesn't say that here. Cassie told the man, punctuating her threats with profanity. Well, in another transcript, it does say that. We

need to fact that cuz you're not reading from a transcript. No, it's it's a a report from ABC. Exactly. Um she

acknowledged in her testimony that that Combmes subsequently made efforts to keep the videos private or the video

this particular video private. But it I mean words matter in terms of how we tell the story, you know. So ver Joe's

version versus how I just read that. You'll hear it two different ways. You you'll hear a woman who is terrified of

the world seeing her in that position knowing that she had no real control as

to whether or not it was even filmed and then we'll take her fate in her own hands and kill the person that put her in that position. I mean, but how many

but how but how many times have I have you been angry with somebody and you just say, "Oh, I'm going to [ __ ] kill

you." Or something like that. That's different than I'm going to have you killed. I'm going to do it. Yeah, that's very different. if it gets meticulous. But for me, but for me as a juror, what

I would hear in that is Cassie's [ __ ] up, but she was going to leverage the power that she had by being with Puff,

which tells me that Puff has the power to control outcomes. It just reinforces the Cuy blowing up the car. It just it

just reinforces that he is somebody who you need to be afraid of. And it also reinforces that she was very attracted

to that and she used it when she needed it. No doubt. But again, and if she were on trial, I think you might be able to get her on a Rico trial. Maybe. I don't

know. But she wouldn't be on trial cuz she ain't going to be on one, right? But in a RICO trial, she didn't have immunity. What Willie D is saying that

she should be codefendants. I think it's a racketeering trial, too, by the way. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Which is sometimes part

of a Rico, I think. And they're not the same thing. I have no idea. Yeah. I'm going to I just I think it's No, Rico.

Rico is raketeering. No, I think Rico is part of racketeering. Isn't that the R

in Rico? Yes. But I get what you're saying. But Rico is raketering can be part of Rico, but Rico is not

necessarily a racketeering charge, I think, is the difference. Yeah, you're right. Okay. All right. Again, this is kind of

the the discourse that's happened similar to the trial over on the West Coast is it's discourse that's going to

things. But the real issue is is that you have people that are emotional and when you're emotional and you the mob

hates you, like right now, the mob hates Puff, right? And anytime someone says something that helps him, it's like the

mob is mad at them for speaking up for him. But that's not what this is. This is a trial, right? That's what the point of this is. So just because the mob

hates you doesn't mean that everyone should say it's like that's my only thing. It's like they was together. They

did it together. It's times when she wanted it, it's times when he wanted it. But because he's the person everybody like kill that person. And the defense

introduced where he left. He left you. He was with Ken Porter. He was with

Gina. He ran off and you were jealous that somebody else was taking your spot.

How y'all hear that? And and I want to be clear, I don't think that

she's uh an angel or anything, but again, she's not on trial, so it's also irrelevant to me. It's the toxicity

associated with a super. It's not irrelevant if you're saying I held you captive and kidnapped and you couldn't

leave and I forced you to do all that's why. Exactly. And that's why don't

Stockholm so she is while while her admitting now on trial on the stand is Stockholm still in effect and did

Stockholm leave when she left with the handler and paid with credit card. This is what I was saying I'm saying

something slightly I understand your question. I'm saying something slightly different. Okay. I'm not saying that Stockholm explains all of her actions.

What sounds like and that's why I want to be clear. What I'm saying is that Stockholm is an answer to the question

of why she does it. In other words, her actions don't prove Puff's innocence and and Stockholm syndrome is

an example of why they don't. But it also doesn't prove his guilt, right? So, in other words, her not leaving doesn't

prove that he's guilty. I'm innocent, right? I'm 100% with you. And that's

where Stockholm comes in as an explanation, a a potential explanation. Every time we use the word Stockholm, we

never go right to proving that it was Stockholm versus a cunning, savvy little

fast heer. And I think the reason is because when people when because we don't never do that because when people look figured out what's real. Here's

why. Because when people look at her behavior, they act like that's the big joke. You don't get this, but in in spades there's this big joker, right?

Very funny. So what what what happens is what happens is people say, "Well, it couldn't have happened because she did

this." And all I'm saying is that I know, but I'm just saying just because she did this doesn't prove that Puff

wasn't guilty of this crime. That's all I'm saying. I'm not talking about his guilt or not. I'm just saying they was in it together. To me, it feels like

like you was mad at me. We argued, but we forgot we were famous and now the [ __ ] now we at trial looking at each other like [ __ ] look how big this [ __ ]

got. It really was nothing to us. So, I really don't think she wants him to be like going with her own words. She's

admitting to a certain thing and taking accountability herself. So, Stockholm doesn't I just want Okay, wait. Let me

just ask you guys a question. How much of a role do you think physical violence

plays in somebody feeling like, "Yes, I have no chains on me, but I can't go

far." How a hu Okay, now hold on one second here. If we're going to sit here

and think and act like that videotape that happened in the [ __ ] hotel was an isolated incident, we're

we're okay. So, if if we're going to look at that as an example of how free

he felt to do this in a public setting with cameras and knowing he was going to

be able to buy off this [ __ ] hotel and this footage was never going to see the [ __ ] light of day, then he is

walking around with this idea that he is a teflon [ __ ] dawn. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Now,

that's not that's not the only truth. I'm not saying it's true. I'm saying

that that is true. I don't want to present this because it feel like I'm speaking for him and I don't want I

don't want to do that. However, the guy that's brazen enough to do that on the

hotel cameras in public like Mel just said a lot of

times thinks about the person he's doing it to and has that relationship to where

he feel like he don't feel like he could beat that just because he's so big and bad. He also feels like he could beat it

because of who he's doing it to. And she's held him down before. And they've together have worked together to

suppress all of the he ain't just moving on his own accord. He moving like that because this is my girlfriend. He's

moving like that because he's done it with Joe. He's moving like that. That's

how we move. Yes. That's what I'm saying. That's how we move. That's what I'm saying. You might not want to say it that way. Exactly. So getting That's how

they move. That's how they they would beat each other up. Everyone said it would history. We just don't like him.

And I get it, but I'm saying that they were too bad to the ear maybe doesn't sound the greatest. There was two people, but it wasn't the greatest.

Like, and I think that's the hard time people have. And none of this [ __ ] is going to sound pretty. That's why the lawyers are saying, "Yo, here's a piece

of [ __ ] We not here to argue that." None of it sounds pretty. But she likes what they're basically saying. She likes

some of it. And how would he know that she didn't keep a hostage? She does not She doesn't enjoy. I want to say one

thing, ma'am. I want to say one thing. Do you know women find it attractive when a man comes and gets her? Like like

me me and my man was arguing. I went out and he showed up to the club. They It's like my [ __ ] my [ __ ] don't play about.

It's like it's attractive when she finds it attractive. Yeah. They're writing off the women that like that [ __ ] I'm not I'm not doing it. And it's easy to paint

Cassie as the victim that was abused who was trying to put her album out to the big bad powerful man. Yes, horrible [ __ ]

happened. But it couldn't she was down for something. not denying for a single solitary

second that level of toxicity did not permeate her and and literally become

become like a template of her own actions. I just want to ask you a question cuz it's really important cuz you are a beautiful girl and you have a

lot of options, right? You do. No, you do. But my point is this. Remember you so crazy when Martin said you break up

with a girl, you're broke. She can't wait to leave, right? [ __ ] you want to leave this indoor? Like you could I was

I went to one of their houses. It was just a Hollywood house. 10,000 square foot that was just the house where Cassie was at. You want to leave all

this and you know sometimes you got to think. So what I'm asking you is a beautiful woman. Does the man's financial status and the lifestyle he

provides to you make a difference in how long a woman would endure other pains? It c it can 1,000%. And is that

Stockholm? It can 1,000% play a role. It absolutely can. But is that Stockholm?

No, it's not. No, we're not talking about Stockholm right now. I'm asking the question. It's not Stockholm, right? We're not what we're discussing right

now, okay? We're talking about the uh like accepting like a like, you know, understanding love to be in a really

toxic form. Um to be toxics. So, there are some women, yes, that if the

situation is, like I said, a gilded cage. They're not [ __ ] going anywhere. They're going to, you know, they consider that the the lesser of of

two evils. But there are some women that will that will say, "Fuck you. [ __ ] your [ __ ] bowling alley. [ __ ] the [ __ ]

helellipad. I'm [ __ ] out." There is women that are none of this and I think Cassie did that 10 years into it and

finally was over it and that was it. That's what I really believe happened. And then you get with a man then you realize there's no more heated toilets.

There's no more heated pools. What do we have? Then you realize the [ __ ] that I could get it from, he ain't going to like me cuz I left with you. So now you

like what we going to do? I'm Well, you you like couples don't pillow talk and sit in the bed and plan and plot. We're

going to write a book. Get He don't want to get out. Hit him for some money cuz we need money. Yeah. You know what they highlight? That's a

different That's how it happens though. You ain't got to tell me. Unfortunately, then he should have paid it, right? But

he did. You know what they highlighted? No. No, he didn't. Not at first. He should have said that. They

said they said 20 million. Why you up here on the stand if you got the 20 million from Puff? Cuz that's the other

problem. What else you got? [ __ ] go and pay the settlement and y'all still leaked the story. Now, is that what

happened? I'm asking cuz I don't That's what they said on the He said that's what happened. No, she filed a lawsuit

and then and then once that went up the next day he paid. No, no, no. That part I know. What what what my understanding

of situation was was the feds were already working on a [ __ ] case. They they were kind of on his ass and because

all these lawsuits came back to back to back the feds, some thirsty feds jumped on it. It wasn't that Cassie tipped it.

She popped the first lawsuit. Yeah. But what I'm saying is she didn't I don't think she got she said it off publicly.

Republican opinion. The feds the feds could have been working for us. That's my point. I'm saying Cassie I think was

fine with the check. She was the one that was supposed to shut the [ __ ] up if I just gave you 20 million. Yeah, but if the feds call you take the stand, what

you going to do? Then you take the stand and today is the first time or the other day is the first time we're hearing any

of this and we're all shocked and appalled at the same time. That's not what happened. What happened is he lost

his [ __ ] as soon as Cassie said yo. And then the video came out. He was done. See, and I feel like that's the steam

roll of all the other people. Ry or all the people who came out with cases. I mean, he at least eight other cases came out against Puff. None of them more

damaging and damning than this one and that video. And that video even before the video, this one was more damaging.

We saw her with him for 10 years. He shouldn't have did none of this [ __ ] Yo, don't take any of this speech as

riding for him. He shouldn't have did [ __ ] He's dead to rights.

But important to examine how you got there. Ego.

Mhm. Ego. And the perception of being untouchable. Ego. Ego makes you think you're untouchable. Ego. Yeah. All ego.

Mhm. Joe, I think I think we need a moose boug and moose boug. Yeah. Can you

give us the [ __ ] [ __ ] is that? It's like a This is crazy. It's the appetizer before the appetizer.

You can't tell you can't you cannot say what's on the table without being looked away. You can't speak from the other

side with hardcore facts without it looking away. You against it. And it's everybody. I think you can. We always

say like when I hear Cassie up there admitting the things and saying I love them and taking accountability. I still hear people, no disrespect, making

excuses for her. Stockholm and all this [ __ ] like she she's acknowledging Stockholm [ __ ] I She's acknowledging

like, yo, I was in love with him. Yes, I wanted to do it. And Mark, you know, you know when women are in love, they do the

dumbest [ __ ] for men. Men know that. We all know that as men. She was in love. She did dumb [ __ ] and it's over now. But

because Puff is because how people look at Puff and view, he been getting away with this for so many years now. Was oh,

she has to be going through something on some mental angle. So, you saw Django, right? I did. All right. So, imagine if

the slave master from Jang, was it Leonardo? Leonardo. Imagine Leonardo was on trial. Got it. And then somebody

said, "Well, it couldn't have been that bad. Look at Stephen. Look at Samuel Jackson. Look at him." Yeah. Mhm. If if if he was really getting abused, why is

he hugging him? Why is he risking his life for him? Why is he killing other people? Why does he have the ability to even [ __ ] speak? Why is he doing this

[ __ ] He left and came back. That was good, Mark. You see what I'm saying? Like we could if we did that, that was a

good argument. We'd be [ __ ] We We would sound crazy, right? But at one point, Samuel had a chance to leave and join

them [ __ ] Wait and just laugh. But wait, wait, wait. Hey, that's my point.

Samuel chose not to though. Let me reply to that though. If you watch a Django, he made a choice. I'm off of Django. Let

me reply to that. Yes. That doesn't account for the millions of people that would sign up for that abuse in a

heartbeat if there were 20 and 30 million at the end of the road. For sure. You can't say for sure cuz we

don't account. You don't account for those people. That that theory is never floated in this. All I'm saying because

abuse is bad. And now I sound like I'm defending and I am not defending. I don't doubt that there would be people

who would sign up for it. But that doesn't nullify the fact that the abuse is [ __ ] up. And I think it we're not debating that part. I'm not debating. I

know you're not. So that's what I'm saying. So the fact that she's [ __ ] up and and honestly I think she deserves the 30 million. If everything we say is

true, she deserves it anyway. Me too. So I don't feel I think she deserved the 30 million. I also believe that he deserved

for a certain treatment when you paid it. Yep. And and that's what I think. But she deserved the 30 million. And if

you pay 30 million that comes with certain rights that he didn't get. He didn't pay the 30. I would argue we paid

20. But that was my point. It wasn't like hey we want this take that. It was a hostile. He made a house. Should have

paid 30. That's what I'm saying. 30. None of this is happening. I hope not. We might not get but but Mark, I love

that you said that. Everybody said that. But imagine if your exgirl who dating your old trainer that you hired comes to

you with a book and say [ __ ] really in your craw. It is. Wait, wait, wait, wait. No, but wait, but don't put that

on Ray. Know why I'm with Ray? Because when I read the [ __ ] uh the the court transcript where Puff was focused on

getting the money back from the trainer that was paid, I thought that was a grave mistake. That was a grave mistake,

dog. Let it go. Yeah. Yeah. It's It sound like it's important to Ray because

reading that it's was important. It was too important to pop. It was way too important. But Mark, but Mark, what I'm

saying from a from a from a man standpoint and somebody take your chick, okay, she better man one. But if this somebody you hire, he's in your house,

you're telling him to handle it, and they run off together and now you come back to me with a book and then you say, "Oh, it could be a lawsuit." I might not

have responded like that either. I'm just being honest with you. I might have been like, "Man, [ __ ] y'all." But even if

you even how you get them is how you lose it. But anyway, that's another

convers if she filed this lawsuit. What do I got to lose? No, no, no, no, no. But you're right. But what I'm telling you is remember this.

I She still is telling me to give her 30 million before she put out this book. And I know she taking it back to that

[ __ ] that took her from me. Cool. So now sometime I agree. I'm not arguing with her ego. You're right. It was all

ego. It was all ego. It was all ego. But that's why I'm telling Mark that's why he I don't think cuz I feel the same way. Why would you just pay the 30

million but it was the book? I we didn't know that. I thought if it's all ego then how much of it is spite on her part? Ooh, probably all of it. Yeah. How

much of which part? The civil or the criminal? I was asking if you mean the civil or the criminal. It could be all.

I think the civil is both. I think the criminal is I think she just got swept and had no choice on that. That's she didn't have no choice because once you a

superp I don't think that's fake but the the civil part I think some of it is I know you don't give a [ __ ] about much

and I need you to feel something the c the courts because that's what a lot of domest that a lot of sexual assault and

DV cases end up with civil not just because for lots of reasons but part of it is the courts ain't going to do [ __ ] the cops ain't going to do [ __ ] but also

the only thing you'll feel is this money hit you in the pocket yeah some of it's the only thing you'll feel is this money I deserve some of it but also this is

going to [ __ ] you up and I need you to feel the video of little ex-girlfriend being broken up. Did you?

Okay. The reason why I'm going so hard for this trial is because of that video. She says something on that video. She my

man my man is breaking up with me. He took me and my daughter out. Instead of going on with her life saying this man

don't want me. She says who knows a lawyer. What are we talking now? You now women are suing [ __ ] for breaking up.

Now we don't even have a choice. Joe, we don't account for that. Yeah. Yeah. Like so that's why I'm saying like listen if

you if somebody came in with facts and here's wires and puff prime, I'm with all that. But all we talking about is their sexual endeavors. And to me,

that's like embarrassing them is really [ __ ] on them. But for me, it gets us nowhere. It's, you know, Rico like, dog,

Rico was created for John Gotti and Paul Castano and all those gangsters. This is not the right thing for this. This is

again, this is not a charge. This is different. Huh. This is not a Ricocharge. That's

true. That's true. That's fair. That's fair. Um, yes. So, let's let's do the the Muse Bj now. That's what the [ __ ] is

a palette. Apparently, you all eat at the wrong restaurants, right? It's a palette cleanser. It's like they give you No, no, no. Clearly, we didn't get

we didn't go as far in college as you. This some [ __ ] you just taught us. Like fancy restaurant [ __ ] Fanci is college. They all associated the same. Point is

we need a palette. We need a palette cleanser. And so I I just thought we could talk about

something else. And I was looking at social media yesterday, minding my own business. Um and I stumbled upon a great

new Have you seen this new podcast? Which one? It's uh Jedakus and Fat Joe.

Anybody caught it? Yes, I did. I I've seen two of the episodes. Yeah. Oh, the whole Okay. Dope, dope, dope, dope,

dope. It was really I didn't watch the most recent one, though. Oh, you Oh, you should. How do you feel about artists stepping into the pot space? Um I as a

longtime native potter, I feel like every I'm very protective of my space and I don't want anybody in. That's what I'm asking. Yeah, [ __ ] those guys. No.

Um I think anybody should do what they can. I mean, look, I was a TV guy, a TV news guy that people said shouldn't step

in the podcasting world. So, like, I think people should do their thing. I hate how they announced it. I how hard

they went. It's almost like cuz you have an advantage cuz you're celebrity, right? And but I think that they thought it was going to be hard. I thought I

thought No, I think they thought it was going to be easy. They thought it was going to be easy. And then they get on there, then they realize that we don't care. Like, everybody's talking so we

care, right? And then they start, you know, figured out what's You got to make a splash. Hey, how you got to make a splash? Got to make some noise in the

podcast. You got to make a splash. By the way, it's been on the third episode. We didn't start seeing clips from the third episode until they made a splash.

Yeah. Can we talk about that splash a little bit? I saw clips from the second I saw the second episode, but but I

chose not. I chose not. And even those clips were what appear to be attempt to be. A little bait. Yeah, a little bit.

Ch the water a little bit. Absolutely. I didn't think it was about me cuz I got a hit. You say that again. Oh, right. The

second episode got was like, "Yo, [ __ ] ain't got hits. [ __ ] ain't qualified." I didn't take that personally. Uh I felt

like that before I got in the pod game. Like, yo, there's too many people that are doing interviews with rappers that never did it, never heard the music.

That's a common thing for people to say. So, I didn't want to just take that personally, so I let it ride. But then

episode three, you know what I mean? And I don't think that was about you. I didn't take it that way.

Then then I heard um this one. I just want to let it be known under normal

circumstances I would charge the volume and boost mobile for this air time on

this broadcast. But Mark is that's my man. He want to let it go for free. I'm

going to oblige. Look, I'm here with the home team. We ain't got just this one time. No, please. Play it. Play play.

I'm being dramatic. I'm being dramatic. Okay. You know, I don't want I don't want to be triggering though.

I'm trying to be mindful of that on five row. I got to be front row. So you want

all the cuz somebody you don't like your enemy going to come sit right. You know that we call that the Joe button seats.

You know them second row. I don't even got you ain't got a hoodie. I don't even got a hoodie. Yo listen them second

third row that ain't I can't do it. I got to sit front row. I give you my experience. What do you call them seats?

You know, perfect example. Him and 50 got some [ __ ] and I'm sitting courtside

and 50 come right behind y'all. Okay, but he's behind

those still considered floor C. Listen, I didn't know that is AA and

BP. I'm not trying to be disrespectful, but the man had a little something going on with 50. Why God put 50 cent front

row and he's in like third row bother me if I was Joe Buttons and he put the S back on your

happened to me before when I just when we just quad if he didn't bump in the fifth would he had a nice experience you

got a good seat but the problem is you got to always expect the enemy might come from bro I'll stop it there so

there's absolutely no logic to his logic whatsoever who was

There was my hill [ __ ] [ __ ]

That [ __ ] is hilarious. So look, I didn't quite follow his logic either. Yeah, it made no sense. But just calling

the second row to Joe button seats. That's [ __ ] up. The second row. It's not horrible. So Mark, I looked at and I

tried to tell Joe this before myself. But I would say this because he said a podcaster, it it came off like but if it

was a rap bar, it would have just been a rap bar. Like it would sit in a second row like Joe Button. It would have been

rap bar but it would still be a pretty hard shot to say though. Yeah. No, it wouldn't. Second se second

row is pretty good. Yeah. There's nothing wrong with everybody. There's nothing wrong with sitting be especially when the internet went and found pictures of fat Joe in row 10 and row

13. Okay. So, so my only thing that [ __ ] my only response to to Joe would

have been but you're but I I feel like you're the goat of this podcast [ __ ] you my [ __ ] But I always tell you that. And you really on the you goat

floor shooting at him like [ __ ] that's the that's the aa of podcasters. He's the [ __ ] he's the

podcast and you you in podcasting now talking about it. Yeah. All y'all doing is playing in his hand. Yeah. Right.

That's the whole point. You play in his hands. He say something. You keep it keep going up. But I think he knew what he was doing. How'd you feel when you

heard that? He did it last episode when he went up there and was like, "Yo, these podcast these podcasters say give us our flowers. We up here um on the

whatever number they debuted on um iTunes chart and nobody gave us our

flowers. I a see none of these podcasters. You know what he's talking about, right? Like you wanted to get bro do your thing. Get your get to your spot

without mentioning I want to say something now. I'm going to challenge you cuz I got to call you out now. I'm What's up? Call me out. Ain't this is

just a this is equivalent to the rap beef. This is just [ __ ] I got my pod. Who the number one pod [ __ ] I'mma

shoot at him. It's the same concept. So it's just that it's interesting. Cool. So when that I disagree with that a

little bit. I mean no the same concept. If I'm the top [ __ ] in the game and a

[ __ ] who's on his first freestyle is shooting at me, I'm not responding to you. You got to earn a response at least. Well, I lean in, not back.

I lean in, not back. You lean into it. I lean in, not back, not back. He asked you a question

though. Give it the dramatic intro. Come on. You see what your boy

Already [Music] know my boy.

The greatest in the world. We here. We heard you. We heard you.

M check. Coming to the table. Mike check. Mike check. Aa [ __ ] in his party. 1212. 10 toes down. Yo, let me

get that water real quick. Turn me up. That [ __ ] shouting him out. Give the lights. Yo, give the lights a little bit. Yeah. Yo, let me get that over

there down. You sweating a little bit. I'm ready. Yo, automatic floater. Yo, call out the masseuse real quick. The

masseuse girl. Call them out. Come out. Come on. M. Yeah, I need a massage. Ling on you. Come. Stop. Wait. Stop. Stop.

Yo, that's why. I didn't say

that. My girl m up in this piece. How do you feel, man? like Mo ask you when you heard

um I want to break character for a minute. Okay.

I want to break character for a minute cuz you could have some fun with this or

you could use it as a really really really teachable moment in front of a really large audience. So let me be

mature and show some discipline and restraint and lead with I absolutely

love Fat Joe. I have all the respect in the world for Fat Joe. Bought Flojo when it dropped.

Jedicus, I knew you was going to Flojo. I bought you know Flojo when it dropped.

No doubt. Flojo was one of the first instrumentals I spit on in like 93 somewhere around there. So I got a fire

water all that. So I have a different level of respect for uh not only Fat

Joe, but I'm going to always support anything that Jedakus does. Anything that Kiss does, he has my support. Shout

out to Jaywan. Shout out to Yonkers. Uh, for me in my 40s, it's been really

important to unlearn stupid hip-hop ideology. Like, let me start with there's nothing to even fight about

here. Let's start with we talking about a game where the tickets were the most

expensive Nick playoff tickets in in franchise history. Yeah. Argue about tickets. The cheapest ticket in that

building was 600, 700, 8004. It was Yeah, the Nick Nick fan. Thank you. 874.

That particular game was a lot. So, this is all just like elitist jargon. I want

to start there. Yes. Um, 4.0 versus 4.6. Secondly,

secondly, well, yeah.

Um, secondly, the internet is not like a real place.

Um, I would have expected Fat Joe to know that. Uh, I need more than internet

fodder to ever assume that there's really beef with somebody. Uh, me and 50

have over 20 years in. I never thought that that would escalate. Uh, and if I

feel like that, I just need more than some internet chat for me to feel like that. Number one. Number two, if you

fight in the garden, you're banned for life. you're not doing it again. And if you're

tough enough to fight there during a game, then my [ __ ] I don't assume any

of us millionaire, multi-millionaire, ninef figureure people to to do that at

the garden. I just I just don't. The lights is too bright and we there to watch a game, which is the other

brilliant concept I have, which may be hard for people to grasp, but if I'm at

the Knicks game, it's just cuz I'm a Knicks fan.

I'm not there for the vanity play. I'm not there for the celeb role. I'm not

there to be seen. I'm not in the record label seats. I'm not in the kit seats.

I'm not in the comped seats. I'm in the seat that I wanted to purchase, so I

bought it. It's really just that simple. I'm not with all the extra hoopla out there.

I'm not out here running around moving with the leverage of my management company or trying to be buddy buddy or

friendly with rappers that I'm not really buddy buddy or friendly with. I'm the walking embodiment of standing on my

own too. And you know that which is why you're using my name on your newly established platform trying to get

traction cuz I'm the best in the business. I recognize that too. Uh lastly, I just don't know what Joe

button seats mean and because I have so much relationship equity with Fat Joe, I wait for him to tell me. I don't want to

assume. On one hand, where I come from, you would want to be seated behind your enemy if anything. That's where the

logic come. You wouldn't want to be seated in front of him.

So if he was talking about that, I don't really get it, but that's on him. And

lastly, maybe Joe Button seats just means sitting behind somebody you make a

lot more than until we get clarity on it.

We won't really know. But be clear, reimagine how y'all mention my name in

some of these conversations. I make a lot more than you

[ __ ] So, if I'm seated behind you, it's by choice enjoying some popcorn

with my baby. Uh, I say that with all the respect in the world. So, much love to Fat Joe and Jadaus. I'll continue to

support their broadcast and hopefully everyone out there will continue to do the same. But this is a non-issue, you guys. Everybody back to work. Hey, hey,

hey. If this is ever, this is a non-starter. If this ever comes to be something, then then we'll we'll address it later. But Joe and I talk this is

non-starter. Salute to all. And go Knicks always.

Okay. What was that thing called it? A bouch. Reset the pallet. Did it do what

it needed to do? Right. didn't work the way I thought it would. But you know what you say? My moose doesn't feel

bouged, you know. Yeah. Like we got to be we got to be

it's it's important to not let things that you see on the internet r you up while while things are going great, man.

That that was a non-starter. Shout out to those boys. And then it's it's kind of like the guy in the front talking about the guy in the back of him, the

second guy. Yeah. Not knowing that there's 300 other rows behind. It's like you almost like disrespect those people.

But wait, dog. If I was sitting in the nose, bleeds, I make more than you. Like, my seat shouldn't never come up in

your conversation. If I was outside in a lawn chair watching on a [ __ ] mobile

device, my my seat shouldn't come up in none of y'all conversation. That was confusing a little bit, but teachers

don't. Anyhoos, how about boost? There we go.

Now my boo is amused. Yeah, we good now. All right. Good. What what else is going on in the world? Uh they got Bruce

Brown. They got Ice. Take it away. Chris Brown. Ice War.

That was his freaking No, they got him um over in United

Kingdom. Picked him up from an old charge from incident that occurred in a nightclub back in 2023, I believe. Ah,

way back then. And as soon as And as soon as he landed, they were waiting and picked him up.

I I don't I don't understand how they didn't have that situation taken care of or something. Well, at least have your

people to make sure we good. Nah, sometime I ain't going to hold you. Uh I

understand it. Sometimes things could a slip through the cracks or b you'll put

your team on it, they'll go check and there'll be a whole another building that you had to go to. This happened

with me in where was I? Toronto or some [ __ ] where you had to go to a specific building on 6th Avenue to get the

clearance. You could have called every other building in the world and they said you're good. But if you didn't go over there, they flagging you over there

and we're locking you up. So sometimes your team don't know that building to get in touch with. Yeah. Uh sometimes

the cops are pulling the fast one and they just did it the night before. They just, hey, grab and snab them. Like you

don't know. And he was denied bail. That's the crazy part when July 13th. Wait, what? Hold

up. They're holding on to when? July. Let me check. You sure? Somebody check that. I thought I saw June. No, his

first and his first show out there is July 10th. So, he going to be in the You got to be kidding. They know what they

doing. They're being dramatic. That is some wild [ __ ] right there. This sounds like they'll get that result. It sounds like posturing.

Well, this the the uh the the judge said is too severe of bodily harm. Oh, it

said too serious grief uh grievous bodily harm case. I don't know.

Allegedly smashing somebody's head with a champagne bottle or tequila bott with a liquor bottle. Well, he's No, he's he's ordered to remain in custody till

June 13th. June, it's June. It's New York time. I'm sorry. Still a minute.

Very different from July though. Coming for a concert now. You sitting in jail for a month like what? That is crazy,

bro. You don't even know if you get out on June 13th. You just going to see a judge. Yeah, but you know what? He got

to do it. He has to do it. He has to go out there if there's charges and he got

to get locked whatever has to be done in these other places while he's eligible for these Grammys and while he's getting

his uh global star [ __ ] back. Part of that is I have to go show my face and

clear up all of my grievances from from the past. That is true. That's true. He his uh first tour um date was scheduled

for June 8th in Amsterdam. It's June 8th, right? Okay. I got the monthly mixed up. I'm sorry. All right. So, we'll make you miss one of them. Damn.

We'll make you miss that one. Maybe. I bet they get it resolved before the Oh, you cut the right check.

Have the right people in your pocket that can call the people. He's doing stadium tours. No, man. But a lot of

times the uh the I think they're going to get that result. Overseas, they try to set examples. You got a good manager.

I ain't know what he doing. And somebody said to me that overseas might be mad at us for tariffs. Oh [ __ ] No, you can't

take a terrifying breezy terrif. They took

Britney Grer for less. Straight up. It's true. They took They took Britney

Grinder for much less. Yeah, we could take Chris Brown with the terror battle, [ __ ] No, that was for the Archangel of

Doom or whatever that what was his name? Yeah, the merch. The merchant of death. Merchant of death. Swap him out. [ __ ]

cut a deal, boy. Oh my lord. Yo, uh, Perez are with Chris Brown. Yeah, for sure. Hopefully they

get that worked out. Especially before it's New York day cuz me and my whole family is going to that. Yeah, that's

why I had to check. Wait, wait. We going to that. Chris Brown. You crazy. Mel, you going to Chris Brown? When is it? August. Yep. 12th. Hot and bother Bay.

Uh, little young boy. You went I thought I thought it was like ap dressed her today. Shut the [ __ ] up. Yeah. Who

dressed you today, man. I dressed myself cuz you dressed like TLC, right? Eye.

You dressed like you ain't too proud to be. Yeah. I like this look on you. Thank

you. I was I was going to take that all as a compliment. Yes. I always been a sucker though for the [ __ ] jeans that sag when girls are doing. Oh, that's

cute. That's cute. Get the [ __ ] off. Thank you. Thank you. Um, what else is there? So, we praying for Chris Brown.

Let's get the toy. Let's get all the newsy depressed. Let's get all the [ __ ] ain't [ __ ] news

out of the way. Uh, what's the name of that group? Unite. Unite. Unite. Something. Some

group. Sounds like a Mark question. Mark don't know because he's team me. So, he ain't he ain't checking for nothing. So,

nothing. No group trying to help Tori get out. But anyway, uh, some attorneys

came forward and said that Kelsey's bodyguard during the trial, uh, overheard some things. And Unite the

People, Unite, There you go. Unite the People. Thank you, Freeze. Uh, Unite the People came forward to say that Kelsey's

bodyguard during the trial came forward to say that he couldn't sleep any longer

knowing that an innocent man was in jail and that he overheard conversations of Kelsey claiming that she was the person

to fire that weapon and shoot yada yada yada yada yada yada.

I That's what we got. Doesn't that qualify as hearsay? And why is he just talking

about it now? Like I'm I'm just so confused. You didn't want to protect her anymore. He said

I'm over it. I'm sorry. It's ridiculous. And And All right. So again, he was not charged with

shooting her, but he was charged with assault with a semi-automatic firearm. His charging firearm negligence. So what

I'm saying is that freeze if his fingerprints was not on the firearm then that means that these trial these

charges should be dropped or shouldn't be char filed in the first place. If his fingerprint was not on the firearm that

means he didn't assault with a semi-automatic firearm and he didn't discharge a firearm with g gross

negligence. Yeah. everything that Flip said. Uh also on the last day of the trial, uh his

bodyguard was supposed to take the stand, but uh due to somebody saying they uh prosecution saying they would

need more time with him, which would delay things, Tori chose for the bodyguard to not hit the stand. I think

that was a grave mistake. One also all of this coincides with the reporting

from the neighbor that was not allowed which said we saw I saw two girls tustling she fired off and a man came

and yada yada yada. So I don't think that this helps Tori but

it's funny how when when it's the man that's the victim in trying to protect a black woman nobody gives a [ __ ] if he

goes to jail for 10 years and is railroaded. But I learned that three four years ago post pandemic about

y'all. So, I don't even talk about it no more. But a lot of people with a brain

thought that it was more likely that two chicks found out they was [ __ ] the

same [ __ ] and one of them shot the other one. Mhm. Versus uh two chicks found out they were

[ __ ] with the same dude and the dude shot one of them in the foot. Do with that what you will. He's away. I don't

think he's coming home. Yeah, he's that's what I got for you there. This is what I'll say to the first point. I

agree. He he wasn't charged with assault with a deadly weapon, but he was charged and convicted of possession of a weapon,

discharging a weapon and assault with the weapon. But that wasn't his weapon. And some people know that. Yeah. And and

it and it don't have to be his weapon charges. You know that. Say it again. It didn't have to be his weapon to catch those charges. Yeah. I'm messing it with

his weapon. What weapon? Okay. But I'm real roed if whoever's weapon it was has immunity. That's a different That's a different

point. I'm railroaded. If that happens, we just always ignore the railroad. Not

not and not saying that that uh means not guilty. I'm just talking about a railroad. A railroad means I should get

a retry. On what basis? I'm just I'm just trying to follow. Well, he was Well, Tori was arguing uh his that his

representation was incompetent. Oh, that's a different issue. Yeah. Absolutely. I agree with that. I support due process. I want to get as many is

going to find uh well, it's his job now, right, to find as many reasons to try to get a new trial as possible. Yeah. I I

find here's what I I have found that the people who defend Tory Lanes

have passionately misrepresented what happened in that courtroom and what the evidence was. Um

and for me, when I hear more information, I always have to double and triple check it. Not because I have an

an investment in who goes to jail or not, but because I've just not found it to be credible. In the case of this

person who overheard somebody saying that they did something, I I can't say he's lying or not. It's hard for me to

believe though that this person is just coming forward now. And it's hard for me to believe that Tory Lane never

explicitly said on trial, Kelsey shot the weapon. He [ __ ] himself. And it's hard for me to actually he said the

opposite. It's hard for me. She did not. Right. It's so now and he So for this

new person to be telling the truth, it means Kel it means that Tori had to have lied about who the real shooter was,

which he which he could say I was under the instructions from my counsel, which was poor counsel, right? Or sometimes

things are what they look like. And so it's hard for me to believe that he sat there on trial knowing he was looking at

10 years, knowing who the shooter was, seeing the shooter, being there with the shooter, and not only didn't identify

the shooter, but said the opposite. Said that wasn't the shooter. That seems implausible to me. The outside person

notwithstanding. I'm not one of those people that only wants to listen to I've been fighting for Mumi Abu Jamal's liberation since 1980, and people have

come forward and said, "I was the shooter. I saw the shooter." And I've heard people reject our claims because

they say, "Why would somebody come later?" I'm not that person that says, "Just cuz I just cuz it ain't my person, I won't listen to them." That's not my

point. I've been fighting for 35 years for justice for Rody Rody Piper. [ __ ] not going to happen. Trying to As long

as he wears that skirt. Rest in peace. No, no. I'm talking [ __ ] right now. Of course. But um what Mark is saying?

Yeah. I'm not like, "Fuck that guy cuz he's not cuz I'm team me." It's not that. It's It just doesn't It doesn't

fit to me. Logically, it doesn't it doesn't fit with what I think would happen. I disagree with that. But I do

agree he didn't do himself favors. Why he didn't do himself favors even prior to the trial he didn't do himself

favors. He just made a lot of Can I tell you why the first phone call I get that

first gun? Everybody pull down. Pull down. Pull down. I'm going to say I have not seen one person never go to jail for

10 years for shooting a ground and they grazing someone. I felt the I felt the the sentence was longer than the crime.

Who was the woman that shot? Uh up in the Marissa Alexander, she actually end up hitting somebody though. But

what's that? Are you talking about Shine? I didn't hear you. No, no. The woman Alexander the woman who shot the warning shot in the in the ceiling and

there's a whole a whole thing about No, I would just say I don't think the crime So I think my point is this. I don't

think Tori thought they going to give me 10 years for a cut on the foot. I really don't think he thought that. I thought I thought it was the same thing like, "Yo,

we had some friends. [ __ ] went bad. We celebrities so we know better now cuz [ __ ] blew up and now it's like, [ __ ] I'm doing 10 years." And I like both

these girls. I like both the girls. Not me. I'm saying him saying I have relationships

with both of these. I don't want to see if there's a way for all of us to to get out of this. Scott Freeden, I'd rather

that option. I just think that they turned on him faster than he realized and he never caught up.

But do I believe that Tory Lane shot make said this a million times already, so y'all don't need me to say it again.

I'm confident that he did. Um I'm not a big prison person as y'all knows. I I don't know if 10 years is the right

sentence. I would say I would say it isn't like three years feels like fair, but I think there's a lot of ways to

resolve this. I don't know if put him in a cage for 10 years. Why do you think it's more plausible that Tory did it versus Kelsey? Um based on the

witnesses, based on the fact that he said the witnesses that they allowed. I'm talking about him. He said Kelsey didn't do it. Yeah. Okay. But are you

talking about the witnesses that they allowed, including himself? Yes. I'm talking about everybody. Are you talking about what everybody's initial plan was,

which was, hey, let's find the neighbor. Let's let that person testify and let's let the other only other person that was

there, the bodyguard, testify. You're not looking at that. I'm looking because they didn't hit the stand. I'm looking at all the evidence we've had access to.

And I'm saying cuz what does your Philadelphia brain tell you? My Phil I don't do well when we start talking in

court TV. But take the take all the legal [ __ ] off the table. My gut just on some hood [ __ ] is I think he shot the

gun. I think he was drunk. He did I think he did some wild [ __ ] I suspect Megan Kelsey had some other [ __ ] going on. They got into I know they got into

some kind of physical argument. There could be more messiness there. Put like this. I think there's more messiness to

this case than the court proceedings would suggest. But at the end of the day, I'm I feel very confident that he shot that gun. Yeah, but that didn't

answer my question. You from you from outside and you know and you know a lot of things aren't on

his hands. He could have been fighting to get the gun from her and got the gunpowder on his hands. I don't know to She could

have got out, shot that gun. Oh [ __ ] Give me Give me What are you doing? Give me No one

got him say he would he would let that happen and then say she ain't doing it on the stand. If I'm trying to protect

everybody, I don't see See, and that's and that's where I find the [ __ ] fall under that kind of pressure. They don't

actually because they know they like if you got bad representation and they're telling you, "Yo, we can beat this."

this boom boom boom boom boom. All right, cool. She's going to make it out. She's going to make it out and then I'll be fine. I'll be right back. If your

lawyer is Ernest J. F. I don't care who you got the worst lawyer ever. You are not going to tell your

client we have exculpatory. We have the shooter. You saw the shooter. We know the shooter. Say, not only don't snitch,

but also say that wasn't the shooter. Even the worst lawyer in the world ain't doing that. That's what I'm saying. But

that Yeah, but that's false. That's that's not true. His attorney could have very well been saying to him, like many

people were saying publicly at the time, I think we got this covered. I don't think we even need the testimony of your

bodyguard. I think with some of the findings of the gun uh

gun, you remember that would explain why he doesn't snitch on her. That doesn't explain why he would deny the that he

would actually effectively perjure himself to put himself in the crime, not out of the crime. Well, because the

story that he was he put that [ __ ] on an Instagram comment. He purged himself. He just literally was replying to somebody.

Again, I'm trying to keep this [ __ ] clean and keep it off everybody. Yo, that was not true. No, she did not. She didn't do that. Can I tell you Mark? I

think not realizing the patience of that was going to be interesting. I think I think a gun I think regardless of what

happened, regardless what happened, I think a gun went off. No one really got hurt. Everybody's going to be fine. And

then the other emotional things occurred and that's what really drove him to go to jail. I think that if they was all

still friends and it was a mistake, it would have been like, "No, we don't know what happened." And and to me that was my only problem. Like you was you wanted

to go at the ground. You wanted to put him in even though mind you maybe an inch over somebody would have been dead but it wasn't. So at that moment it

should have been like well it was a bad mistake. Let it go sent this probation. But 10 years I think 10 years is way too

much. I think on on his side they thought they were coming up with a story where everybody would be okay. Yeah. And

reasonable doubt. It didn't Yeah. All we got to do is prove reasonable doubt. Now we don't know what happened. So we even her getting the immunity would be part

of the reasonable doubt. And what I think happened was why she needed immunity. That should tell y'all something right there. That's when I

would have folded on her. It's true. The second she got immunity, I would have folded on her. Yep. Unless she didn't do

it. Then you can't fool. If she didn't do it, I would still fold on her. Oh, you the [ __ ] are you talking about? I'm

trying to save my ass here. The only other person that could have did it did it. Are you crazy? Some [ __ ] got to

keep it real, as they say. Yes. I'm saying I think that's what it comes down to. Keeping it real goes hard. What what

would have happened to his reputation if he would have basically snitched at a girl? Like he might not have a care. It's like it's it's a it's a trick bag

no matter what for him. I know. And that's where the and that's where Let me queue up the ledge. Uhoh.

Let me queue up the ledge cuz Ray said it, but I'm going to say it again. I don't want to trigger nobody.

[ __ ] There's more risk than reward when it comes to protecting women from men.

Say more words. Not wrong. Nope. I will not. You will not shaft me. But there's

more risk than reward when it comes to that. Presuming that his story is true.

Hey, I popped two of them. One of them tried to kill the other one. I stopped

her, grabbed it, knocked her hand down. Meg was turned around. We all was pissy drunk leaving the pool party. For them

to get jammed up like that. [ __ ] And why? And and I don't there might be more

risk and reward. I think doing the right thing always comes with more risk and reward. That's why more people don't do it. Right. So yeah, I might not disagree

with you on that point, but why would if if that story is true, right? She's mad

at the girlfriend for [ __ ] homeboy. They scrapping. They doing whoopde-doop. Why would it be

important to her to frame him and and she shot her in this hypothetical? Why

would why would she be trying so hard to let her off the hook? Well, I don't want to say I don't want to say she, right?

Because the story say that it's greater than me and none of this is her plan. The the story puts this in other hands

that I won't say. Uh okay. So, it's not about Meg. Meg is a helpless victim here. Me has absolutely no control over

story, her words, none of that. Like, Stockholm. No, no, no,

no. Power dynamics. Mhm. Power dynamics.

Okay. That's a stretch to me, but I I I get the argument. I just don't buy it. I'm not making it. I think I'm not I'm

not qualified to make it. I tell what happened. I think I think I think everybody knew what happened. He got railroaded. [ __ ] was like, "That's

[ __ ] up." But he seemed like he hold his head up. He seemed good. And then he got stabbed. And it was like, "Hold up. This [ __ ] might have got killed." And

then it's like, see, now that's where I jump off the conspiracy theory bandwagon. I do not believe that his

stabbing is at all related to the new evidence that they were about to release. But it came the other way

around. It go the other way around. You think so? Let me ask you a question first before we ask further. Okay. What shape is that is that object on the

table? It's round. Okay. Just making sure. Um cuz I we learn how a conspiracy theory train. I just got to know how far. Ah bro, I'm not a conspiracy at

all. Tell me why you think that's the most plausible reason. It it was just a timing thing. It's like Cassie been

trying to get money from Puffy Won't pay to drop the lawsuit pay in 24 hours. So to me it was just like a timing. Like

Tory Lane gets stabbed up in jail. Oh my god. He got stabbed 14 times. Seven punches lung critical condition. That

[ __ ] tends to like get consciousness in people like damn. Or you know what I mean? Right. Or he got stabbed and the

team said, "Let's try and get out. Let's try to get early release. Let's say that. Let's do all the [ __ ] you do when

you got public sympathy for the first time." True. By the way, that could be it either, but I do believe that the news and the stabbing were connected.

Oh, I don't doubt that they're saying it. I'm just saying I don't think there's a mission to the evidence. I think he's like, "Oh [ __ ] this might be

an opportunity to make something. I'm with you." But some people were saying it in reverse as the conspiracy as they

knew this was coming and this is why the stabbing occurred. They knew what you were saying. That's what That's what the

conspiracy was. Whoever Oh, okay. Whoever knew that this was about to come

out, they want to take him out. Take him out before this comes out. That's what I thought you were saying. That's why it sounded like you said conspiracy. That's

a great theory. I was just my head the other way. Crazy theory though. That is

crazy to me. The powers that be are not invested. No, it could be. No, they are. No, I they are. Who's they? To me, I

think the system is I think that listen, I think there's a clear-cut attack on hip-hop and black men in hip-hop.

Anytime you're a cool [ __ ] is attack on you. I just it's like it's obvious like Tory Lay is in jail for 10 years for

somebody got shot the floor and a woman. Don't get me wrong, all wrong, but 10 years, my [ __ ] And let me let me add

on to what Ray is saying even though I just jumped in and crucified online for whatever. I'm going take part of that. Uh I I agree with Mark. I don't think

the powers to be are so invested in Tori. I just think at the time of this whole kurfuffle, there was a lot more

money to be made on the Meg side and anybody that can stop that money. Well,

yeah, now a lot is at stake. I don't think Tori was that important. I think Tori being the cog that could maybe stop

that other money train is why why it was important. And that's why I think why he's important is people like we need that [ __ ] staying right where he at. I

mean, I just think they did it though. They got him. They got him. I don't think they need to send prison stabies to keep him in prison. He's

staying. Well, the story that's floating around now is that um first of all, I we

in the we in the the information age, so I know more than I want to know. I didn't want to know the charges of the

dude that stabbed Tori. I never asked for that, right? I never asked for that.

So, thank y'all for telling me that he took a shotgun and I won't even say and

he was a pedophile. Awesome. But apparently the word word that side is

that Tori got disrespectful on the visit with his wife. Yeah. On a visit with his wife and that's how it came about. I'm

not in there. I don't know what to believe. It's a lot of rumors. I don't know. I just pray that Tori is okay. Yeah. Uh and it's unfortunate. It's

unfortunate. I think him being in there is unfortunate. I think him leaving the radio station freestyle to go to Kylie

house because it sounded sound sounded like a good time. Again, discipline, discipline. They're going to get most of

you [ __ ] through your [ __ ] penis. And the devil is going to call with something that sounds like a blast. He

going to call with a pool party with your favorite vixens, your favorite models, some drugs and ecstasy, all that

[ __ ] that they'll later take you to court for. So, you have to be careful. You have to be careful. Yeah, that's

that's what I got for black men out there. Like, be careful now, cry later.

Cry later. What y'all got for DDG? [Music] That's the one where my age kind of

caught up for me. I I don't know all of the details with DDG. So, so the the the latest is that uh his partner, Hi

Bailey, uh or former partner, um filed for solo custody, uh temporary physical

and legal c custody of their son, Halo. Um, she says that DDG uh abused her both

emotionally and physically and because of those allegations, she has been

granted that custody. Of course, the internet always has their opinions on what that means or the why of it. Um,

and I think there's a temporary Yep. There's also order temporary restraining order where he has to remain over 100

yards away from both her and the baby. Uh, and that expires on the court

hearing date, which is June 4th. See, this is my thing. If he did those things, then get DDG the [ __ ] out of

here. Mhm. But if he didn't do those things, there's a clear blueprint and pamphlet that's being handed out to

women as how to railroad a [ __ ] that they trying to railroad. It's the easiest way. If I want full custody, I

don't want this [ __ ] to see the kid. I want him to lose all rights and privileges. Then when I file for uh when

I file this [ __ ] that I'm about to file, I'm about to say a whole bunch of nasty things. And when you get your lawyer,

he'll tell you that those things are for public finding. So true or not, it's going to read, "Hey, he did X, Y, and

Z." And that's going to make you look away. There's no way for an innocent man to win in this. I'm not speaking on

whether he's innocent or not. I do not know. I I'm glad you said that. I was going to say my only thing is is that it

doesn't matter. The world's going to hate. The world's going to hate DDG. He's a monster. [ __ ] him. He needs to die. He needs to go away and they going

to go and he has to go through all of this process. So for me, I just wish that we can get back to the place where we give. And it feels like it's a man

thing like men the due process of like finding all of the things rather than just automatically painting them as a

bad picture. Cuz to me it's like it's like we we all we be with the [ __ ] sometimes too. We do it together. So but

for some reason it's like with Bobby and Whitney. It was everybody was like Bobby got on drugs and after Whitney goes and everybody's like Bobby was like I was

the lightweight and but it's like but look how much Bobby Korea suffered because they thought that he was that.

So to me it's like [ __ ] ain't [ __ ] ain't weighing the risk when they dating Angel face.

She just Angelface beautiful young world loves her. Nobody would ever think that

Angel Face could be on [ __ ] if that's the case. If that's if and this

is where for me the believe women conversation has to begin and this is

what I mean cuz people often hear when I say believe women that means believe all women at all times under all

circumstances and that is not the case for me. It is though let's begin from a

presumption of of of honesty and innocence from the person

making the claim. That same benefit should be given to men. It's just we

that's not usually a struggle though. That's not what we do. We So, so you know, if a if if a dude calls and says

certain things happen, we may be more inclined to buy it. You know, not the courts. I'm talking about us in in our society. Courts don't listen to men,

black men very often at all. We don't either. Right. And so when in this case,

I would say let's investigate. Let's find out what really happened. But if she says that she's been physically and

emotionally abused and emotional abuse can be more complicated too because that can be, you know, that there's relationship and every relationship is

somebody who's probably saying they've been emotionally abused, right? Not to dismiss it, just say it's complicated. But if she says, "This [ __ ] is

hitting me and I feel unsafe." I don't want to begin from a presumption that

she's not telling the truth. And I think what I'm seeing online is a lot of

people beginning from that place that this is fight, this is this, this is this. And again, I don't doubt that they're

reli Mark. There's too many situations of of women crying wolf. Mark, there's

too many situations of women crying wolf and hold on and these things keep coming out. So, it's hard for you to just look

at somebody and say, "Oh, she's completely innocent." You know what I mean? I think statistically, sorry,

there's probably more cases of domestic violence than there are. Yes. That's back in the day.

flag right now. No, wait. Stop. Cuz I do this a lot and then it cuts. Give me a second off.

I'm not talking about the domestic violence issue. I'm talking about right now on the internet in on the internet

currently. There are a lot of false reports that's happening against men and men that are in that are in position.

They're finding it. It's happening currently. Domestic violence, of course, is still going on. Of course, from back

in the days, women hide it. They're scared to leave. they end up going back home and a lot of things the worst things happen to them. I'm not negating

that. I'm just saying right now with social media being involved, there are a lot of cases that's coming out where

people are lying, women are lying on men. That's I just want to make that clear. I would like to add to to to

Flip's point, but I want to take the focus off of the women and put it on the attorneys of women. Like it's big

business right now. That's where a lot of the [ __ ] that we the attorneys come in and say, "What are

you trying to get done? This is the way to get that done." The attorneys come in and encourage certain things to be said

on these reports, especially if it's a man with some type of clout or power. Hey, we we just talked about you just

brought it up. Wayne kicking old girl out the house. What if she went to a lawyer first before the internet? I do.

You better than that. Mark just said the other day, yo, some of the things that come along with Tony Busby, I look at with a a different eye. Well, why do we

look at it with a different eye? Because we know that there's attorneys out there that's playing certain games and using

people, most times women, as pawns to get their [ __ ] off. That should not negate the women that this actually

happens to. Exactly. Yeah. My my only thing is is that we just got to get to a place where men are losing things and

collapsing before we even go through the process. And to me, it's like and let me tell you something, bro. really happened

to me. These I know these guys ain't smart. I really think I'm smart. Like you can't I'm going I'm ready ahead. So

one of my a girl I'm in a relationship with very known girl comes to my hotel room cuz she think I got a girl there. I

don't want to let her in. And then I let her I'm like it's no girl in here. So she push the door open and she attacks me. She attacks me the whole time. We in

my hotel room. As much as I'm getting attacked, Joe, the Virgo in me is saying, "Ray, say something loud." So

I'm saying, "Stop hitting me. Stop throwing stuff at me. Stop hitting me. What are you doing?" So when the police

come cuz they came to the room and she's like he he he they said all they heard

was a man yelling to for a woman to stop hitting him. That's why I got off. Now imagine I wasn't smart to do that and

she I that was my first day at Epic Records. My first ANR meeting. I just didn't want to be around her and I went

to focus on my [ __ ] and she thought I had a girl came and attacked me and all that happened and guess what I'm and I'm

I'm I'm like yo this can go bad. She's hit me. I'm just like somebody hearing these dudes ain't young enough to understand. You got to remember

something. And it's not saying who's right, who's wrong, but let's be clear. DDG is connected to whoever he's

connected to, but it's not as strong as the people that Haley is connected to. Same with Megan Estallion and Tory Lane.

So, let's stop acting like there are people that are like, I know how to get around this, but we got to hit first and

this how we hit. And it's it's unfair. But I'm telling you, and that same chick tried to ruin my career. Told everybody

he hit me, he did this. It was a lie. It was a lie. And guess what I had to do? I went and got her back in front of all of

them just to show them she was lying. So now I'm at the table with her again like we together and they looking like what is he doing here if he was that person?

[ __ ] I wasn't. She was lying. She just wanted y'all to hate me cuz she know I got the glow and she don't. That really

be happening sometimes. Sorry dog. I could talk for hours on on my experiences. But I But women be out here

trying to get you. You meet a chick, they want money. It's it's natural. And by the way, men trying to get women. We all trying to get each other. We trying to get to the what we want and they

trying to get what they want. But what I'm saying is that everybody's not all one side is not all guilty and one side

is not all innocent. And I'm like a fan of yours when you came out. But the funny the thing I like the most about you I went to talk to you because I'm

like this [ __ ] always takes the women's side. Like damn. Like can a man like Mark I love Mark. But I'm like he always

takes the woman's side hoodies. And listen if he's a man and he says he's a trans man, she's going to take his side

even more cuz it's a woman. You take that. And I'm just like Mark we are black men are being attacked and you are one of the biggest voices out here. And

what I'm saying is that if you don't give a voice a reason, one of the smart ones, I'm going to look at as an ignorant [ __ ] But you're a smart one.

So if you don't give reason, [ __ ] you just allowing them the railroad. As many of our black men, what have I ever say?

No, Mark. Mark, when the one Mark, you always say, "I'm with a woman. I'm with her." That's why I knew you was. That's why we brought up like I can't wait to

hear Mark. Yeah, I don't think that's the case. But have you ever seen me take an unreasonable position on an issue between men and women? Well, I love I'm

a fan of yours. You take I don't think But but it feels like it's always if if a man did it, he's the piece of [ __ ]

You feel like that's what happened in this conversation today? No, no, no, not right now. But I wanted to get your thoughts. That's why I brought it up.

Because right now, you're not watching the clip, you're watching the whole conversation. A lot of times it's new. Yeah, for sure. No, that's true. That's true. You hear the whole conversation.

But that's why I wanted to get your opinion on it. But at the same time, I'm telling you, as brilliant as you are, at some point in time, as black men, cuz

you got to look at, listen, I worked in the music business and for for 15 years of my career, I was clear, Joe. I didn't

know I was black. I was the black guy that did business with everybody. So, when you get in those rooms, you start hearing how they try you, how they drop

notes. So they it's a really slick like uh what they call passive aggressive way of putting things in the air saying how

Joe going to fail for this. So they'll be in the staff meeting and be like Jay-Z is really not going to let anybody make money with him so why we do

business with him. A white man says that. What is he what do you think he's saying that for? He's trying to read the

room. Let me see how these [ __ ] going to react so I can know how far I could take it. So when you just like yeah he did it. They like what the

educated man is saying he did it. We can all say when you should say let's go through the due process. I love Haley. I

love DDG. I always look at who's connected to who because they were young and in love. Somebody was in the house

like this how we gonna handle this. DDG is a little [ __ ] that just wants to [ __ ] stream. That's all he wants to do is stream and rap. I don't know what

she is. And by the way, if you follow DDG, he talks about music, streaming, and his child. That's all he cares about

that lady. So, so at the so as some and another thing, remember I didn't say that he couldn't have done those things. No, that's my point. By the way, I'm not

saying that at all. I don't want to say and I didn't say he didn't. I mean, he did, right? Well, I began by saying this is why I begin from presumption that

anybody male or female, man or woman, I begin from if if you say that you were abused, I begin from a premise of

believing you, but also investigating so we can find out. I don't think we should ever not investigate. I don't think we

should ever say just because you said it is true. But historically, when it comes to sexual assault in particular, if a

woman said it, we we begin from presumption of prove you're not lying. Exactly. as opposed to what was your

what was your initial reaction to Justice Smlette? Um, same as it is now. You know, I I

trying to avenge that ugly attack that happened to him and I've gone looking for the MAGA people myself to help

liberate. Yo, Joe Face was half the room was like this

[ __ ] I ain't gonna hold you. I'm like, it can't be us. It can't be us. I love it.

Jesse and I are are very very cool. Um, yo, your

network, boy. Hold up. Did you DM him when it first happened? Yes. No, I called him. Oh my god. Yo, get Miz the

[ __ ] out of here, man. The more it was. What? It was almost

like the Chappelle B. I mean, I'll be honest with you. I mean, I had two thoughts. One, my first thought, I spent

a lot of time in Chicago. I've been in Chicago June 1st, by the way. Check me out there. Also, being St. Sabo tonight. Oh god, that was a But I go to Sabina. I

go to to Chicago in June for a reason. Cuz it's cold as [ __ ] in Chicago. You

never lied. Between September and like the day before I get there in June, right? And then it's hot as balls from,

you know, facts. So when he said at 3:00 a.m. he went to Subway and he walked for

hours to get especially at Subway. You're not You're not walking to Subway. Who the [ __ ] Not even Uber. You're not

walking to the car in Chicago. So, it had nothing to do with race, nothing to do with sexuality. Where did you stand

on that Kevin Hart uh car accident? Kevin and I grew up like two blocks from

each other. What? Mark, I don't Philadelphia. That's my answer. That's your bias. I understand the

question there. That's your bias. I'm telling you, I'm man, miss. Shout out to Kev. That's my [ __ ] man. Shout out to

I I I didn't investigate that story. I don't even know. I don't know the details. Got it. Got it. I because we were so close. I was worried about his

health. Good save. That's all I cared about. Thank god he was okay. But when it came to just Yeah. I mean, when I thought about that that for more than 35

seconds, I was like something honestly it just didn't make sense to me. I said, first of all, I said there's only one

thing I'm leaving a hotel in Chicago for pre-marriage at 3:00 a.m. and it's coming to you, right? But I mean, but I

could at least imagine a circumstance where I would go walking for some [ __ ] at 3:00 a.m. when I was single for a

subway. you when you was 21, too. Yeah, I'm talking about my 20s, not my third. I'm saying like, but he's younger than

me, too. So, I was like, you know, maybe. No, I just want to say that cuz you're a smart man. I don't want these other But he did it. I'm like, no, he

didn't. And it was a bad choice. It was it was it's always a bad choice to do that. But I was like, he's too smart.

Too much money, and it's too [ __ ] cold in Chicago. So, I then said I went from a thing of I believe Subway. Why?

And and Subway, right? That was the other thing. Nobody's doing that for Subway. Sandwiches ain't that damn good, right? in the daytime they ain't that

good at all. So I was like then I'm going to focus more on supporting him.

And I I I did a I did I did the first interview with I did the first interview with him. I heard enough, brother. No, I

didn't. I didn't. I didn't. Go ahead. I I did I did the first interview with him on and uh during the pandemic about

this. So what was the And I focused the support was the due pro again as [ __ ] I I don't believe him. I didn't believe

him, but I also didn't think he should go to jail for it. It just wasn't that big of a It just wasn't that big of a crown to be for the

state to be investing this much money. I don't believe in anybody going to jail. I'm an abolitionist. But I'm saying even if I believed in jail, it just it just

seemed like a lot of resources to spend for a [ __ ] who made a false police report. That's all I'm saying. It just seemed like a lot. Oh my god. I love

you. I just got to ask you, do you think that is a lot for what Tori is in jail for what happened for the crime? Do you

think it's a lot? Remember, I started with Okay, perfect. I just make sure I think 10 years is way too much. Okay, cuz to me that's my my only problem is

is that hate you so much. And it's like, dog, he don't I'm not saying [ __ ] don't deserve to be punished, but y'all be want to hang him from a tree. You

don't think Tory played into some of that? Of course he did. And I think that's part of And I think that's part of why he went to jail. But what I'm

saying is that 10 years, he didn't show no type of like he went in there arrogant. I'm being honest with you

antagonizing I don't I think he really smoke your dumb ass for that. And I love to ice. I really thought to himself,

man, nobody got hurt. What the [ __ ] they going to really do? They just trying to scare me. I really believe that he thought that. And then when he got that

10 years, it's like, "Hold the [ __ ] up. Y'all was serious. Nobody even got hurt for real." Like, I really think that

that's why he got hurt enough. I mean, you know, I get it. Now y'all stuck with me music. Good for y'all.

He's still He's still We still We still getting Now y'all stuck with them slaps. Have at it. More coming. Some cobras or

some [ __ ] like that. Rattles still holding us down. Hey, you

all right? Social justice. Hey, don't listen to that rattlesnake [ __ ] You

don't need [ __ ] man. [ __ ] your money. That's the bottom line.

They going to kick my ass. I don't give a [ __ ] [ __ ] I won.

I don't give a [ __ ] Holy [ __ ] Oh, man. Yo, I'm so glad Mark came here early.

Yo, it's my pleasure. Yo, we would not have been able to do none of this without that [ __ ] ass nigga's dance

that you take on everything. Yeah, make some noise for Mark.

Hey, make some noise for Mark, man. He killed that [ __ ]

Mark is always for whoever he think is the weakest. Mark is always Mark don't play, boy. Now hold up. They playing

with my man. Who is that? It's Mark.

[Laughter] That clip is so funny to me.

N you was in your bed. My boy Mark, they're not used to Mark talking like that. They used to hear him speaking

about Al Jazzer and go,

you know what I mean? All this [ __ ] right and [ __ ] Hey yo, what's up? Uh, Queen Flip Boy. There's a lot of [ __ ]

out here turning up. You know what I'm saying? A lot of [ __ ] out here turning up making air waves. We had a great

episode. We don't need this, but go. I I mean they turn to making air waves and I just feel like

show love. I feel like we should show love. Yeah, show love. So do it. You don't need to uh to qualify. Just do it.

Show love. I'm not It's not about qualification, but it's about show love. But the person that need to show love is you. But I do think they would just show

love, man. Them [ __ ] them [ __ ] turn up out there. [ __ ] on fire. [ __ ] flames. [ __ ] walking flames. You know

what I'm saying? And I think that off air we was talking

about uh Cardi responding to Rory and boy who Rory and O

and I said listen that what you said I like I like what Rory is doing out there. I ain't going to lie to you. I

like what I like I like I like what No, not just Rory. Don't be stupid. Rand Demaris. I like what Rory and Dear I

like what Rory and Demaris is doing out there. I like it. They eating they heating up. They heating up. You know what I mean? Anything from the Joe tree.

I want the floor that the branches should be long extended. Did you Did you ever Did you let them know that? You

speak to Rory or anyone? No. Okay. No, I haven't. I mean, you know, it won't be the that won't be the first time you

deal with something. You dealing with the same [ __ ] that Queen Flip [ __ ] huh? I've never spoken to anybody. You're dealing with the same [ __ ] with

Queen Flip [ __ ] What you talking about? I got a song everybody. My name is Huh. My name is tall,

[ __ ] Huh? My name is I don't want to say Paul. Yo, Ray Daniels almost made Ray Daniels. Let me let the audience

know. Ray Daniels and Amani almost made me mad.

They showed you a picture. I think we had a great episode. We did. Mark Lamont came in here early. Let me let the

audience know cuz y'all be hyped when Mark is here on a Friday main. This is a solid when he does that. when he comes

in on a Friday in Maine, I'm gonna pay you. Okay. I know we never spoke about it, but I ain't gonna pay you. Say less.

I ain't gonna fight. All right. I spoke to Mark yesterday was like, "If you can make it, I'm not the most distinguished

when it comes to charges against black men. I ain't I'm about to say something foul to trigger male and we about to

argue and fight." Mark is like, "Thank you. Pers, bro. Thank you,

man. M Mark, that's a that's that's going to be a stick up with a flashlight

in the daytime. Boy, you deserve it. That's going to be a stick up. You deserve it. Yeah, both deserve it. Mark

does deserve it. He deserves to get stuck up and he deserve to get paid. Thank you, Flip. It was a good energy today. Yeah. No, no. Go check the

subject real quick though. Oh, he almost got you mad cuz he showed you something, right? And you were able to to maneuver

through it. But I'm just letting you know you got a big problem on your hands with this Queen's Flip Boy. I'm telling you. I'll let you know right now. You

think you got problem head with them other [ __ ] This this boy right here. I have Queens flip locked into a 2027 at

a locker room. Are you [ __ ] I like Watch your [ __ ] mouth. I like to

red I like Isaac. I like Isaac Hazm that show we watch when they [ __ ]

dirty with Isaac Hayes and [ __ ] back in stacks. Yeah. Like stacks [ __ ] Watch your [ __ ] mouth. Yo, I'm

letting you I'm letting y'all Yo yo uh Danny Elevation. Who else? Yo yo, I want

to see clips. I have Queens flip at a fixed rate till

2027. Hey, actually that's what we should call him. Queens fixed. Oh [ __ ]

Not Queens flip. You want your bag? Is locked rate till 2027. Now we do got to

deal with when he has a heart out like today when he say yo I'm leaving. We got to deal with that. But we got to deal

with it till 2027. Make some noise. Make some noise. Are you Mark? I'm going to

lock in this summer. I'm going to do like the Philadelphia Eagles and pay him ahead of time. I'm paying him sooner

than when we supposed to pay him. But he's been such a tremendous [ __ ] [ __ ] It be right off at the end. It

won't be a write off. Are you sure? Yeah. No. I'm watching a lot of your moves, [ __ ] Now, cut me off. for us to

be able to avoid Mark because Mark is taking this from the Joe Button Everyday Struggle Stickup Complex so we could do

a Friday show move. Mark is doing the Joe Button move. I'm letting y'all know that in 2026, some of your favorite

personalities will be here via

Zoom. Now, we got to make room. We have to pay Mark. One thing that can't happen

is we can't tell Mark we don't have it and the new couches and and the new couches and it's nine of y'all everybody

don't need a voice. So, some voices will be made available via Zoom. You know,

for 2026, we have You know what it is, people? Hold on. I got something. Y'all been sleeping. Hush up, [ __ ] You know

what it is. The [ __ ] realized he could do it with with with less in his mind. You know, when [ __ ] start to kick in, he

start to look around and [ __ ] Yeah. [ __ ] might have, even though it was moving how it was moving, he got to figure some [ __ ] out. And I'm just sitting here watching. I'm on the ride,

[ __ ] This [ __ ] like Joe Flags, [ __ ] Huh? What's the [ __ ] that just took down? The Cobra car. King the car,

[ __ ] Cobra. Yeah, all that [ __ ] We here, [ __ ] I just realized what it could look like when you bring in professionals to do the job. People that

really care. People that really care, right? When it's a large audience, they [ __ ] worked all week about what they

would say. You know what I mean? No matter where you at, whether you from Atlanta, Ray Daniels, when she worried,

she be tapping her foot. Big mail. I ain't talking about mail. Exactly. Acknowledge her, [ __ ] Male is already

[ __ ] Male is already herself to be invaluable. Acknowledge my sis, [ __ ]

Acknowledge her. Mel is already gang gang. All right, good. I got you. I need

my 10%. Also, in order for us to successfully merge with Rory and Demaris, I can't

come with so large of a crew. Hey, right. Right. E. No, I'm

lying. I can't come with nine. Rory only come with the marriage. I ain't come with nine people. That's not right.

Anyway, we got to figure it out. Don't take this out either, [ __ ] Cory, don't go back.

Hey, I did start Godfather all this season. Yeah, this this this season.

Actually, somehow I missed the finale of last season. I had to go back. I had to

go back. The last episode I saw the last season was them throwing the daughter out on the street doped up. I didn't see

Malcolm and Oh, you ain't see You missed the whole damn season then. No, it was only one episode.

You missed a little You missed a bit. Well, oh well. I'm on a new season now. You missed a bit. You missed a bit, bro.

I'm on the new season now. That's all. That's all I know. Bumpy Johnson there now. Flip you up. You awake? Yeah. Hell

yeah, my man. Mark, you awake? Y'all fresh up. My boys.

Uh, all right. Good show today, y'all. Good show. Yes, sir. Appreciate. Thank you for joining us. Round of applause. I

went from visitor to family. He gave me that, right?

Right. You did great. Great. You did amazing. I love when Ray up here, man. Um, that's your third time up here,

ain't it? Didn't you do two last time? Yeah, I did kill Killer Mike and then

Yeah, man. Shout shout out to our good brother Ray. Shout out to everybody in the A. Uh, again, shout out to Mark for

joining us early. Uh, shout out to Ish, our brother Ish here with us in Spir. Hopefully everything is cool with him.

Our sister Big Mel didn't have to be on a Friday. Came in, blessed us. Uh, got

an early exit because we gota I mean get right for that [ __ ] She ain't invited brothers to. But I hope I hope you kill

that [ __ ] I don't think Is there a stream link that we can watch? Who? I'll find out. Find out. Put in the group chat like you did that Jason Tatum [ __ ]

I think we might win a uh Golden Glove today, guys. I mean, I think I think we got it. We

got it. I think we I think we did it. An inaugural one. We got it. Me, too. Yes, sir. Podcast. Yeah, we got Especially

since people on the volume are going through legal troubles. Like now would be the time, right? Hello.

No. What? [ __ ] What's wrong with you? It

is. It is wrong with it. It is. Okay. Okay. Fine. All right. It's over. It's over. It's over. It's over. We done.

Really good broadcast today, man. Shout out to the Golden Globes. The board of

the Golden Globes. The seauite over there. We see. We see. You heard? Yo,

keep us in your prayers. Lord knows we need to be there. Till the next time we bid you a do farewell

adio vista arvo. So long goodbye or simple head now to suffice. Remember life is a series of

moments and moments pass. So let's make this one last as if it's all we have

ego. Lastly, remember the baddies are insecure. The stagnant women want to travel and the close-minded women want

you to teach them things. Grab you a Tylenol. You might need it. Until the next time, stay safe. Stay dangerous. It

go. Anybody doing anything interesting this weekend?

Anything we could exploit for entertainment purposes? What we doing? Going to a show. That's about it. What kind of show?

Army. Rebina. I'm not sure if you're familiar with I like her. Yeah, she's okay. I'm celebrating the kids'

birthday, man. Nice. You said what? Celebrating the kids' birthday. Hey, that's right. Little man turn six. I'll

be down in Philly in Malcolm X Park. Everybody, if you're in Philly today, Saturday, uh, come down to Malcolm X Park for Malcolm X's 100th birthday

celebration. Okay, that's fire. Joe, what you doing

uh this weekend? Not too much. Um, hoping that

the Knicks did they they thug fizzle last night, right? Oh, actually Sunday, I am running to Boston. Uh, my stepson

is doing some football [ __ ] out there that he asked me to go to. I'm going to head out there, man. No matter what's going on with me and my

baby, I'm going head out there. Um, that's my baby. I love you, baby. Um,

next weekend, uh, my youngest son, Lex, it's his best friend's birthday. Happy

birthday, Vincent. Uh, and I told Cynthia's ass that if Lex mix misses

this party, it's going to be hell to pay. Guess what she did? You guessed it. Double booked. Sent me a text yesterday.

Hey, I got He's got another party to go to your dog. I don't give a [ __ ] about that party. Nah. Nah, no. He's got to go

to Vincent. Talk about Vincent. Yeah. Yeah. Mhm. See, we No. Go ahead. Let Lex

not be a Vincent party on time. I know. I know that. It's going to be hell to pay. Happy birthday to

Vincent. Uh, and that's it, man. Y'all enjoy your weekend. Enjoy your family.

Enjoy your friends, your loved ones, the people that hey, get around some people that really love you, appreciate you,

build you up. You know what I mean? Let's do that this weekend. And go Nick. Go Nick. Go Nick.

Hey Lamar, I'm like this, right? I ain't going to say that. No, we nervous. We nervous a little bit. [ __ ] Got

to say it. I can't. One time won't let me. Yo, listen. In in in traditional

Nicks fashion, y'all going to [ __ ] it up. It is normal for a Nick fan to be nervous right now. Absolutely. It is

totally normal for Nick for old Nick fans to say, "Yo, we're used to how the Knicks normally do things and we're a

little afraid." The difference today, two words. Say them with me.

Jaylen Brunson Brunson already know. I was hoping he was We've never had a Jaylen Brunson. Charles Oakley is

somewhere in Westchester saying the same thing. You know, he can't go by the garden. Shout out to Oak. Uh Pat Yuing

is saying it. We've The Knicks have never had somebody that especially after

a loss at the guard is averaging 34 35 36 I think. 36 36. So I'm trusting in

Jaylen Brunson. Right attitude. That's our team captain. He took a pay cut.

Let's hope he leads us to the promised land and that's that, man. And I'm hoping that uh Ace Bailey works out in Philadelphia. It's not a hate thing for

me. Yeah. Look, I hope so, too. I'm hoping that uh Ace Bailey works out. Shout out to Ron Harper, his son. The

Spurs said they definitely keeping him. Listen, we'll talk sports later. That show on Tik Tok that is doing the

imitations of First Take. I think it's Last Take and they they now doing uh Cam and

Mace too. If they are unsigned, where is he in? What the [ __ ] is going on? I got to talk

to these guys. Dead serious. I met one of them [ __ ] They are all the way fire. Yeah, I met one of them. that show

y'all put me on about the Mormon wives or whatever. Season Season two just started. This [ __ ] is ridiculous, bro.

Yeah. Thank you, by the way. Mel, what's up? What it look like in LA this weekend? Hitting that katana. What we

doing about with some new work? What we doing? What we doing this weekend, Big M? We doing We making a We in the hookah

spot with some new work. Hey, I ain't got time for [ __ ] hookah. I got bigger fish to You got no time for hook,

but you got time for the new work. I [Music]

got She's so awkward. Yo, till the next time. Peace, love, health, wealth, and prosperity. Don't forget your Joe button

seats. We gone later. JBP JBP.

Cast your votes. Who is that? Who is that? It's Mark.

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