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you to try this at home. We are trained professionals who do not have your best interest at heart or our

own. Enjoy the show. How's everybody doing? Feeling great. Awesome. Feeling good. Awesome. Awesome. Mel, you got an

extra glow to you today. Do I? Yes. Yeah, you do. And first of all, you came in smiling, shining. I did. Spoke to

everybody. You really hyped about this mac and cheese. [ __ ] was lit. Right. Came with a pan, right? She walked in

here and said, "Where's my theme music?" Oh [ __ ] On the walking. What would the theme music be? Yeah. She said, "What

you want us to have?" You said, "The champ is here." The champ is here. Uh, let me see if that's in the Sorado for

Big Man. Yeah, the champ is here. Have you heard it before? I Yes, I have.

Youard whether you caught the subliminals. I mean, there's no subliminals. It's it's like it's it's blatant. It's outright. All right.

Up. Up. Whenever you ready. Uh-oh. Ready. Uh-oh. Been ready. Oh [ __ ] Born

ready. Hey. Okay. Okay. Add some more to that.

Come on. That's just a Yeah. There you go. Yeah. All right, Mel has pulled out

ice cream. Mel has pulled out her Gracie Award. And it's kind of heavy. She curled it. Hold up. Make some noise.

Hold up. Make some noise. Who? Too quiet in the room right now.

Hold up. Act like y'all been around a Gracie award winner before. Ain't nobody else ever pulled that box out. It's a

fact. That's right. It's a fact, please. It's a fact, Freeze. Yeah.

How do you feel? I feel Yeah. Do you have a speech? Uh, well, Mark already acknowledged my glow, so that that might

be part of the reason. That's not the speech. That's not the speech. Well, I would like to thank everybody for um,

you know, for for acknowledging this win. Um, I would like to thank my cast here for constantly being supportive.

Give yourself a round of applause. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. All right. Um, I would like to thank the

Alliance for Women in Media. Thank you so much for this prestigious national award. Thank you very much. And um I'd

also like to thank my haters who are very very [ __ ] quiet right now. Haven't heard a peep out of

y'all [ __ ] Not a [ __ ] peep. And y'all are going to be so sick of me. Well, because maybe they don't

know what the You're right. They You're right. They probably don't know what this award is.

They probably have no clue what this [ __ ] award is because they will never get into the [ __ ] room to win

this. Reverse car. Exactly. An award that has been given to Oprah

Winfrey, to Hodis Coffee, to [ __ ] Gail King and everyone else. You everyone and Melissa [ __ ] mother.

Okay. I also noticed something. What did you notice? Noticed you got some new earrings. Who bought them? I was

watching. Hey, how did you notice that? Who bought this [ __ ] It was shining. Her [ __ ] used to be cloudy.

These [ __ ] are shining. I can't see. Show them. Hey,

make some noise, man. Stop playing with me, man. You ain't mad at yourself. I You know what? As a matter of fact, I

did. I bought them as a congratulatory gift to myself. Shout out to you, man.

It looks nice. Love it. It looks nice. Please don't lie. Did somebody give you the money to buy it? Like some old school [ __ ] Go ahead.

It felt like anti- Gracie to ask that question, but I was wondering. No, no. I bought them as a congratulations myself.

You went to Ka I mean K's. Did you go into K's? I did not go into K's. You went to a jeweler? Yes. Okay, good. It

looks nice. I'm proud of you. Now, shout out to all the women in the category that we beat. Uh shout out to all the

women in the category that Too Too much to name. Absolutely. Uh yes. 50 of them. It's too much to name. But too many to

name. Yes. But uh yes. What's the category? The category is Hold on. Oh, you don't know the category? I'm next

year. We a give a [ __ ] I'm reading the official engraving on the Gracie Awards.

You just you just [ __ ] Thank you.

That's hate. That's hate. But it's okay. Give me a category. Okay. Don't dab him up. Don't dab him up. Don't dab him up.

You're right. You're right. I take my dad back. Okay. Keep the jab down. I was draw.

Thank you. So happy you all can make it to see me.

Now you all hot and bothered with Melissa Ford. Original online

programming video podcast. That's what that says. Engraved. Dope.

That's the category. Thank you. That was the category that I won in. And there was a lot of incredible women in that

room. A lot of amazing stories. I felt I felt who else was in the category. I

felt like I was amongst my ilk. It doesn't it doesn't matter.

Everybody that says honor being nominated. Yeah. Until you win.

You win. Samantha do the podcast about

stop the hate campaign. Just congratulate your little sister. Just just congratulate. You're right. Yeah, it's a great it's a big honor. We're

honored to congratulate women. Extremely proud. Extremely proud. What did you say, Mark? For for an award for all it's

all for women, right? Uh yes. It's uh the organization is the Alliance for Women in Media. Yes. Why do they make

the award so phallic? I was just genuinely curious. You think it's Yeah.

This is actually um you know, is it a woman? Yes, it's a woman. It's based off of Grace. It's a Grace. It does. It does

look a little bit like a little blind a little bit. Turn it around from

Okay, now I see the part. Okay, I Now I see it. You guys are You guys need help. From from this angle, I can't see a

woman. It just looks like Now I see like a woman or like a ice cream scoop. Yeah, that part.

Yeah, man. I'll skip my inappropriate joke. Why join in in the fun?

There's only one way to be able to tell. Look at that [ __ ] Yo, original online

pro. This [ __ ] is correct. This [ __ ] lit. I'm proud of you. That's dope. Yo. Yeah. Yo, I'm so proud. Yo, so I went

and bought myself a case for all my future wins. Ah, for the Gracie. Like,

you just straight going for Gracie. Oh, no, no, no. I'm going for all of them. I'm going for all of them. NAACP,

Webbby. I'm going all of them. NAACP is a tricky one for you.

Um, what what's what side are you going to stand on? Mark, the C is for color.

Thank you. Help me. Mark, help me. The C is for color. She she good. Oh, okay. I got you. Yeah, you're good. Thank you.

Hey, she's black. So, she can win an NA. She can totally win the NAAC. I mean, she's eligible, but can she win it

without without Poliola? I don't think she need. There's no such thing as pa in the NAACP. It's all merit. It's all

merit. Okay. Everything Melissa award she's going to get is going to be because she's earned it and I believe it. I thanks, man. I think you can get

all of them. I actually was thinking bigger. Don't just think Webbby, though. Like, go beyond Web got Well, I That's what I'm saying. Yeah. Yeah. He got

Yeah, he got Well, you act. You That's what I'm saying. Like, you could you could get Oh, no. No. I'm just talking strictly about podcasting here. Oh, I

see. I can see you on Broadway. We just letting Mandy know what's good right now. Um, so yeah. Um, I I actually have

been off Broadway, though. Oh, okay. See, you're right in the You're in the running. You're in the game. I Yeah, you

know. Yeah. You put out a little spoken word album or something. No, you got the he got tied up. You right there. One more time. Round of applause for Melissa

for you. Who [ __ ] all you [ __ ] that we don't

know about, we never heard, which is five views. Melissa Ford came and smoked you out the park. We are proud. Thank

you. I appreciate that. I appreciate that. One of the best tracks ever.

Who who who got this in this record, man. It's subliminal. You got to listen carefully. Absolutely. I never thought about that way. Yeah, that technically

works, but I call it body. She body this [ __ ]

I need one of y'all to be a DJ in the club. If if if I get a DJ in the club over this right now, I'll go body

something outside. I'll go outside and slide something. If somebody just starts screaming right that second over the song, I'm going to

go air something out. Say that. You got it,

dog. I'm

I mean, keep this applause going for the best crew in the universe, man. Get these drops out the way real quick.

[Laughter] daddy. [Applause]

Excuse me, sir. I'm sorry I have to wait. Are you a doctor? Who was that?

Flip and mail. Mel. All right. Hey, what episode is this? 8:29. Welcome to

episode 829 of the Joe Button podcast. I'm your humble, grateful, gracious, highly favor host, Joe Button. Here, not

for a long time either. My My boys play tonight. Yeah, it's a fact. My boy, you know what I mean? Got to be in front of

the TV tonight. Dodged a bullet on Friday, [ __ ] Uhhuh.

I was about to show up at your door talking [ __ ] If they Well, y'all was down 20. I was lacing up my sneaks, dog. I know you was feeling sick when you

thought they was about to be down. So, that's when we really start playing. Oh, god. Uh, that's what I was waiting for.

First team in a play by play error to come back from a 20point defson three times in the playoffs. I mean, come on,

man. Come on. It's Nick stuff. I told you worry about uh summer camp, scouting

reporters. Uh, looking at the young players, seeing what you're going to do with that third pick. I mean, lottery

team shouldn't really I mean, you know what? You got me. Just two more two more games. I told you paces in five. Listen,

we comfortable on the road, but we'll talk about this later. Yep, indeed. Uh, this episode is brought to you by,

fueled by, powered by Prize Pitch. Prize Pitch Gang. Uh, to my right. Come on, man. You

know the [ __ ] vibe. Gracie Award winner acting like she was on a highway, but she was really in the crib. Huh? Cuz

I went back and listened to that episode. Get the lies off. Miss I'mma bake the mac and cheese in real time and

you guys are going to taste it in the park. Round of applause for the winner, Miss Melissa Savannah.

Thank you. Thank you very much. To her right. You know who I am. You know what I'm about. You know what I came here to do. The JBP. We are here. Queens

[ __ ] flame to my right. Light-skinned man is back.

Huh? White men can't jump according to him, but if they do, they break their limbs. I hear you. You know who that is,

[ __ ] Rooftop missing, but still look good cuz of the eyes. Library. Round of applause. My man

is right, [ __ ] I wear shorts with a hoodie, [ __ ] cuz I know what's good. Huh? The Mr. Beast at home, you know

what time it is? Huh? Shades, shades, shades, shades while throwing shade. Round of applause for my [ __ ]

freeze. Big freeze. That's right. You know who that is. Escape the cult. Escape the co and got his doctrines,

[ __ ] His masters. He was getting it while he was in there. He had to leave. He survived homelessness, [ __ ] Big

miss. Survive homelessness. He is the [ __ ] that beat the

bear. He fought the bear and won intellectually, [ __ ] Round of applause

for my man who has people on his night school show doing [ __ ] while he runs up

the donations. My man

Damar. We got the best in the world. Best in the world. Why you think we

sound the way we sound? We could yell and the [ __ ] levels be the same. Round of [ __ ] applause for the German

engineer, my man Piggity Park. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Happy being and everybody else. Salute. Salute.

Everyone else. Peace. Peace. Peace. Everybody else. Everybody else. Love y'all. All you [ __ ] Yeah. Gay. Thank

you, Flip. That was that was excellent. Yeah, we in the building. You got to do that all the time. That was kind of

fire. Yeah. I love y'all [ __ ] I love y'all. They looking phony ass [ __ ] Damn. You got to do that on time. I'm just saying he got kind of audience. I'm

a little under the weather, so I ain't going to be here for too long, but I missed everybody. So by damn free, it's

a way to turn cold. No, I ain't turning cold, man. It's all It's all for the team. It's all for the team. We said shade. We did say shade with the shades.

We did say I just leave first then be like this the squad right here. Yeah.

No. That's a [ __ ]

[Music] le right here. What the [ __ ] is wrong with you though, man? I don't like how you sounding. I'm worried about you. Uh

my son just got me sick. Okay, that's all. And then he got better. Okay. And I didn't He thought you got a sinus

infection. That's all. I got a little some homeopathic stuff if you want it. Little garlic. Colloidal silver. Wrong.

Wrong one. I'll strike you as homeopathic. Yes. Actually, yes. First. Yes. Second. I'll send you some stuff,

man. I'd appreciate that. Yeah. What should he take for his sinuses? Uh, he should do some What would you say? I

know you colloidal silver. I would do that. I would do some gar always do some vitamin C. Always do some garlic. Some healthy [ __ ] I thought you natural

stuff. You ain't got to take the or take antibiotics. Yeah. Yeah. to treat the symptoms. I'm trying to get

him get some moxicillin in there, too. That's the [ __ ] we take when we get

burnt. In the nose, how do you know that? I say you don't know enough words to know. I

don't I had a pack of a moilla, boy. Hey, a girl saw that in my cabinet and

didn't give me no box. [ __ ] I know what a moxicylan is. It haunts me. Yes.

Yes. She ain't give you no box cuz a mox girl used to do that. girls. The bottle was still full. They come and look. I

didn't even know that as a I don't know that women went through your stuff like that when I do that. I don't do that. I

didn't know that she went into my I never forgot. She went into my cabinet, took a picture of it, and then sent me a

text later. I would We do that. Men do that. Y'all don't do that. No. Hell no. I'm not going in a girl's house to go

search a cabinet and [ __ ] Oh, I might take a piece. Really? What? No. Y'all

[ __ ] is crazy. I went on a date on a date one time. Yeah, I went I seen it. I go to the bathroom on purpose. Yeah.

First thing I do, I people in the medicine cabinet, hope never fall. I look in there, look for [ __ ] and if I see a bottle that looks suspect, cuz you

know, everybody slip pills in in you jump right on Google. White pill with 314.

What the [ __ ] is this in V? I was like, I got breaking news.

That was my that was my exit out of dates. I got breaking news. I got breaking news. And then I would just I just bounce. I was cool. Look at the journalist one time and found Valtry. I

swear to God ass. I did. So, how did you handle that? I wasn't joking. I said I got I got breaking news and never spoke

to her again. No, I'm not supposed to like your but like date. No, how' you handle it? It's my home girl. How'd you

You went through your home. You went through your home girl. That's [ __ ] is crazy. Nah, I mean

me and Shorty was talking, but she's still my home girl to this day. But we ain't never get no [ __ ] cha.

Well, now she knows. Yeah. Dead ass. That's how she entered the friend zone. Wow.

Well, y'all know it's not always on. I know, but it ain't always

off looking like over there. Yeah. What you talking about? I'm just joking. I'm crazy. V tracks.

Anyway, I'll send you some of my Thank you, man. We happy that you're here, man. I got that [ __ ] from Dr. Sebie

himself. Rest in peace. His [ __ ] ain't just the regular [ __ ] Yeah, he got the [ __ ] Yeah, he got the you know he speak

he pray over there. He speak to the ancestors and [ __ ] and get this [ __ ] Yeah. Sinners. Yeah. Miss Miz writing

the book right now in the 70s [ __ ] So how's everyone's Memorial Day cookouts?

Great. Yeah. Great family [ __ ] which I did. Family [ __ ] I was outside running around, you know, just running around. I

I was barbecue hopping. Okay. And I was just going to different barbecues and, you know, getting plates. I don't really

eat that much, but it was You went to barbecues, huh? You went to barbecues? Yeah. You remember what you supposed to

call me? I hit you right there. That was a [ __ ] huh? Yeah. You supposed to text me where you ended up. Um, I ended up in

Queens and then JR did bring your name up. I see somewhere in Brooklyn. By the time you brought your name up, it was too late. It's too late. You know what I

mean? I want to see you [ __ ] don't [ __ ] with you. I [ __ ] with you. You crazy. Listen, it's not about us. I went

to different barbecue and it was great documented and

you know, felt good about it. That's what you did. [ __ ] I ain't eat the house. Did you have something to eat? I

mean regular [ __ ] I wasn't no barbecue. Hot dogs, hamburgers. I don't eat that. Okay, got you. Stop your [ __ ] man.

Fish, [ __ ] and veggies. But it's cold. That's what I ate, but y'all didn't go to no cookouts. I ain't go to no

barbecue. Let me guess. You eat a cookout. Yeah. Let me guess. Mother-in-law went and got the fresh

fish out the lake. You know, you want to pick up your family. Yo, my my family cooking fresh.

Got it, bro. What do I eat at a cookout? Yeah, cuz you said you don't eat burgers and hot dogs and [ __ ] You don't? You

don't eat red meat? Turkey burgers. Turkey burgers. Oh, okay. Okay. You take them with you? Chicken. You bring you

bring them with you, my [ __ ] You got a little cooler. Yo, big excuse me. You told me three of

these right there for me. Yo, only eat these on this side. But they're cooking it on top of They don't move it over and

clean the [ __ ] They cook it right on top of the beef. It ain't that serious, my [ __ ] Turkey burgers and chicken. Say no more. Good stuff. Freeze. What we

did, Freeze? It's um my girl's daughter birthday. So, we had a little birthday party for her. That's it. That's kid

[ __ ] for me. I ain't no cookouts, no nothing. But it was amazing. Had my phone off damn there. I ain't really

have to deal with no family [ __ ] I don't relax. Yes. I'm starting to [ __ ]

Yeah. Starting to realize that. That's your bag though. You be like taking like regular ordinary [ __ ] and putting like 10 or 20 on it. I started to realize

keep my phone. It only off when you sleep, [ __ ] No, it don't. I'm starting to realize my problem. But that's my problem. I'm starting to realize going

to the kitchen by yourself is such a great I love you right. But I'm like

this is regular [ __ ] we should be doing. I don't that's

my family agree with you. I just start to realize I love what you do read

right. But you have fun with the family and [ __ ] like that. I said putting a 10 or 20 on

You stupid. No, you didn't do nothing. No. Uh, no. We our babysitter bailed on his Friday. I was actually trying to

kick it with Ice and Joe on Saturday and the babysitter bailed that morning. So, we ended up having kids all weekend,

which was fine, our kid. But then, so I had my daughter, my oldest daughter, come with her kids. So, we just made So, I had the grandkids come. So, I just had

all the kids at the house for the weekend. We took him to Turtle Back Zoo yesterday for Memorial Day. Which Which daughter? The oldest. Yeah. The oldest.

Yeah. The one that has two kids. Yeah. The one the one I write more the one that I met more recently. So she she I

drove them up. I had a car bring them up from Philly with the with the kids. Your newest oldest. My newest oldest. How did How did that feel, man? How did it was

great, man. My My son got to spend some time with his nieces, his four and one-year-old nieces. Some real hood [ __ ] you know. And uh they they had a

ball at the zoo. They didn't want to leave. How did they fight each other? Did you have to have a talk like before

she got here with anybody? No. No. Everybody know everybody know everything. So it's no secrets. you know, he he gets a little confused with

understanding like the family member thing. So, I just say they're your cousins for now. They'll figure out

cousins. Yeah. His communication, you know, cuz you know, yo, he came back speaking English like [ __ ] like

last week out of no like I have never heard him speak English before, but I think the Well, he spoke it up here. I told you he told us a couple words to

you cuz you know what I mean? And y'all had a good dialogue and [Laughter]

Right. Right. Not going to lie, I had to pace myself a little bit. You know what I

mean? This [ __ ] started speaking out of nowhere. So I'm freezing,

my man. Does real real quick, did you have

to watch the kids? You know, sometimes when kids meet each other, they start to play rough. How how was that? Well, they they've hung out before, but they are

rough. The older one is is is the roughest, but she's also likes to be a big sister. So, I had to just kind of watch to make sure they didn't get too

rough. And those are your grandchildren. Did you Would you tell them like, "Yo, yeah, I I I checked them." And my and my um And it's it's all love. So, we had a

good time. Everybody Everything was smooth. The hardest part was getting them to go home. Like, everybody wanted to spend the night. I wanted them to stay, but just stay at school tomorrow.

Got it. But it was it was three kids wear you out. Got you. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I ain't See, I I ain't used to that life. Yeah. [ __ ] one kid wear you

out. Facts. You did box. I went up to say all the family cooked out. Had a great time,

man. Friends and family came through. Big dinner. 15, 20 people. Beautiful time. Beautiful. Memorial Day. I do

dinners, huh? Yeah. Well, Memorial Day is my sister, niece, nephew, sister, mom's birthday, all is

in the same week. Holy [ __ ] Okay. Got you. It's a big It's a big deal. Mel,

you won an award. Well, that was earlier in last week. And so, Memorial Day, I

was sleeping because uh I just flown back on a red eye. But the weekend I was at a wedding. It was nice. Did you bring

the Gracie with you? I did not bring the Gracie to the award or to the wedding. Say that was her date. No. Oh, wow. And

was the wedding nice? She The wedding was beautiful. The wedding was beautiful. It was my uh my friend Taylor and uh her now husband Josh.

Congratulations to them. Everybody looked amazing. It was It was lovely. Um so yeah, that was what I did on uh

Sorry, it was Sunday. It was Sunday. Yeah. Good. Okay. It was good. It was good. And Monday? Monday I was sleeping

because I flew I flew in on a red. I landed at like 5 in the morning and those always come from California. Yeah.

Those are kind of like [ __ ] you up. And you were you was just in the crib. You just relaxing. Absolutely nothing for me the entire weekend outside of the Under

Armour camp I went to with uh my stepson and my girl. Oh, how' that go? And how did that go, Joe? I was in the crib. It

was cool. It was freezing out there, but it was good. You got any coach talking? You got any more coach talking? No, not

that day. No, not that day. Not that day. You ain't learn you ain't learned about the back pedal. Keep your hips straight. Oh, they was doing all that

[ __ ] They was doing all that fancy [ __ ] They was doing that. So, shout out. That was cool. I was supposed to go to the play uh the tank play with uh you

guys, but canled that. Yeah. I just been in the house. I ain't been doing [ __ ] And now my

brother my brothers are preparing for a prom. Yes, sir. Oh, yeah. That's right.

And we having a lot of trouble with the generational gaps. And the last time I

went to a prom and my dad went to a prom, we don't really know all the rules. And the kids keep changing [ __ ] now. Oh, they want your They win. Well,

first of all, how they getting dressed is different from how we got dressed. Mhm. Mhm. Go to the regular the regular

spot. We all We didn't go to regular spots, but they doing

custod are approaching wet in prices. Yes. Daily. That's real talk. No, it's expensive. Yeah. They're approaching

They're approaching on TikTok. These little kids are they they're showing uh the pages that are showing how uh

elaborate some of these uh prom shits are. They coming in helicopters. [ __ ] getting the chopped.

So anyway, so that's the thing. My little my little brother calls me yesterday and says, "Yo, dog, you know

the problem is next week. Need that car." Oh [ __ ] He said it like that.

Which which car? Pretty much. You're talking about the Mayback cuz we kind of had some of these talks already. And I

was like, "All right, well, who's supposed to be driving?" And he was like, "Pop. Pop said he would drive."

Okay. I said, "So tell Pop to call me." That's it. Right. Pop calls the

next day, says, "Hey, Ethan wants me to drive him for

the prom." That only means a one way, right?

He was dead serious. He would have made back up Uber. I said, "No, Pop, you have to pick them up, too." Mhm. And take

them to where they're going after the festivities. He said, "No, they going home." No, they're not. I said, "Then

you still need to take them home. They can't Uber from the prom." So, we're dealing with prom stuff right now.

That's how old I am. Can Can you rather not drive? He cannot drive my car. Can't drive that. And Joe, would would you

drive them? Would that be something? That's what my dad said. My dad said if it's a one-way trip, Joey, why you don't

just drive them? Why don't you hop your driver? Yeah, Joe.

Yeah, but they want but they want but hold on. They want the experience. They want Oh, yeah.

Yeah. Wait, hold on. Wait. They want They want the experience. They want Joe to or pop to open the door. It's an

experience when it comes to that. When you open the door, you stand there and take pictures. So, I understand what they want, but I don't understand why

wouldn't why wouldn't they ask their brother? I told Pop I would just get him a chauffeur. One of them luxury chauffeur. Yeah. So, they go open the door. Exactly. For the night. Yeah.

Yeah, they do that. Hell yeah. That's the best. M I forgot about Yeah. Yeah. You can't use

it. So So Anthony not going. He's a whole another story. All right.

He had the wrong date for his girls prom. Oh lord. Oh [ __ ] And then he c

she casually just said, "Yo, you know the prom is tomorrow." So he's running around right this second trying to

prepare for a prom that's tonight. Oh my god. And then his prom is next week with

my brother. So it's prom madness right now is all I'm saying. Shout out to anybody prepping to go to a

prom and good luck to y'all. Some of them is under pressure. No, it's

[ __ ] different. It's different. Like when when when people start telling me about all the prices, dues and this. I'm

like, what [ __ ] Just to get to the prime, you spend four figures.

That [ __ ] is crazy. Just to get No, I'm talking about to get there. Oh, okay. You know what I'm saying? And I ain't telling chop chop top the they got drop

top top Rolls-Royces all types of wow cr The problem is how our friend groups

back in the day all stopped talking to each other cuz we went and got the stretch limo that all of the parents

were supposed to chip in somebody and everybody got crazy and then it all hell

broke loose and now we can't talk to each other no more. Yeah. Yeah. Until Sharon give me my

money on guard. Hey yo, seriously. I drove I drove to my [ __ ] Real quick, uh

Mel brought the macaroni and cheese. I did. And she started to uh make on live

prep on live. I watched a little bit. I was I was intrigued. I sent that right to the group text. You have immediately

when I mail on Insta Insta live cooking mac and cheese, looking like it was her

first time ever touching any of that [ __ ] Looking like she was reading directions as she was going. I sent that

right back. I was not reading directions. You had the script right behind the phone. I'm not mad at you. I

did not. Yes, you did. No, I did not. If you were on recipes.com,

you had a Patty Leel. No, actually, I did not have Patty Leel. No, I I Mr.

Franklin. Was it a black person's recipe? It's hers. That's my only question. It's my It's my recipe. They

said you that has been that was inspired by my aunties. They said you put sour

cream aunties. Not my aunt. My aunties on which side? She's saying she's saying

aunt and auntie saying auntie. Auntie. Aunt now. Yes. What did you ask me? I read in the comments that you they said

you put sour cream in it. Yes. I think some aunts slipped in there.

Huh?

A dollop of It's just a dollop. Exactly. Was that the Russian side? The Bayian side don't do that.

Caribbean, we don't do that. Not Caribbean. Yeah, but y'all can't make mac and cheese at all. So, y'all Caribbean don't talk. Macaroni pot. I'm

not I don't eat macaroni pie or cheese. That is true. But I'd rather that than

putting sour cream and macaroni and cheese. Let's get to the explanation of the sour cream. Yeah. Um it's just a

it's it's just a little a binding. It's a Thank you very much. I was going to say it's like a little bit of a thickening agent. A little bit of a

thickening agent. So, I started with Yo, the white man looking like that. If

the white man looking at the Yo, if that [ __ ] tastes nasty, I got to tell. I start listen I boiled the pasta. I

started making the rue, you know, and and [ __ ] was it it was lit. I was very proud of myself and I did it on live to

prove that I actually made it from scratch. So you guys couldn't talk [ __ ] that I bought it. I'm going to keep it.

I know why you did it. Did you use sour cream and milk? I used heavy whipping cream and heavy cream. I I used heavy

whipping cream and evaporated milk. And evaporated milk. Yes. Yes. I should have taken a picture. Actually, I did. I took

a picture of all the uh ingredients that I used and I like f five different cheeses. You know why I'm proud of you, though? Tell me why. I'm going to tell

you the truth. Okay. Go ahead. So, once you wasn't here and you saw the seat was the seat was a little hot. Oh, Jesus Christ. You had to go make some [ __ ]

alive. I'm still here, guys. That's what it took. I'm still here. My girl went

quick. No, actually, actually, it's because I honor the bets up here. Oh [ __ ] What? Oh [ __ ] Yeah, that's why.

Give me back my $100 right now. Give me back my $100 right now. Actually, no. Because that was the bet. Mark bet me

that I would not make mac and cheese. All of a sudden, you proactive wants to wants the hot seat left. Who? Who? Who

are you referring to? I don't want to get I don't want to throw no names out there, but what I'm saying is that I like that you did that. Okay. I looked

at I'm like, "Yeah, man. We not going out without a fizzy. You not going out without a fight. How

they was hyper memorial. [ __ ] said, "Hold up." [ __ ] was like, "This all [ __ ] told me." She was

great. [ __ ] She said, "I'm still here. Look, I number went up too." I'm like,

"Oh [ __ ] 800. Let's go." Yeah. Don't let these [ __ ] just We ain't Come on. I can't wait to try it. When do we get

to Are we going to be Are we going to be I don't eat macaroni and cheese. Mark and I, but are y'all going to be honest? I'll be honest. For sure. Honest. I

think the most honest one would be honest. I mean, I know I know that you are on a new lifestyle eating planish,

but please just There's no sugar in this. Take a bite. Just just take a bite. Now, you know, I should put sugar. Light

cinnamon. Love cinnamon. It's a thickening agent.

Have you ever made this before? Yes. I like that. That was that was how the whole conversation happened is that

nobody believed that I've ever made mac and cheese before. Actually, people, y'all don't believe I cook, but nobody

believed that I've made mac and cheese before. I was like, I make great mac and cheese. No, we see you cook for days. Your cooking show should be with your

relationship expert show. Yeah, I told you Mark was on to something. Okay,

let's go, Mark. All right, let's see. I Hey, listen. I might turn. Did you say ish astrophysicist?

Oh, [ __ ] She ain't say nothing. No, last episode. I don't say nothing then.

[ __ ] It was kind of lit. So, I might do But when Mel falls in love and does her housewife thing, do y'all think her dude

is going to ever say something about her cooking there? You know what he says? Let's get I'm actually quite surprised

how good this is. That's what I always get. That's all everything.

I'm actually quite surprised. It's not your ass. You just looked at the camera.

You just told somebody at the camera. Oh my god. Okay. Yo. All right. I see what we doing. Yeah. We got a great show

line. We do. We do. We do. All right.

Where we Where you want to go? It's Do we want to start with

controversy? I mean, all these all this court [ __ ] I I feel like we kind of have it. I kind of want to get it out the way. How y'all feel about it? I'm

down. I'm talking specifically about this Kevin Lows thing. Okay. Okay. What's going on with Kevin Laos? Another

lawsuit. Uh, let me pull it up. It's a uh Kevin L has been accused as seems to be the string in in the business for the

last five, six years of people getting accused of sexual misconduct. This one is from from Lady Luck. Uh and this one

surprised me for for a few reasons. Uh but uh Kevin L has responded. Uh if you

go to his Instagram, you can see the full explanation. He's how I learned about it. That's an interesting way to

think about it. He he posted this. I didn't see it posted anywhere when he posted his response. Yeah. But I could

be off. So it it it was places, but it didn't live nowhere big cuz again, it's the platform size thing. I Which is a

lesson. Sometimes we make things stories by responding when if you don't say anything, it might not be. And I'm not

saying he's right or wrong. I'm just saying if Well, if he responding, he been around long enough. Somebody told him, "We're posting this this day. This

might get high." True. That's fair. Well, before you read the um the response, like cliff notes of what she's

accusing him of. Yeah. accusing us when, where, what kind of situation. So, so this is for for context. This is an

artist that he signed in 19 in 1999. Damn. It's Lady Luck. It's Lady Luck. Shout out to Lady Luck. We all know. So,

um, and this this uh lawsuit actually happened months ago. That's the other thing. I believe it was at the end of

February that it came. So, it might be one of those things where we all heard about it and then it passed. I remember it. Yeah. And and we didn't say anything

about it. And honestly, this was my first time hearing. I've never heard it. Mine's too. Yeah. Don't try to put us in the We heard it, but we were quiet. We

didn't hear it. No, not quiet. I mean, like I forgot. I knew he got sued before. I didn't know who sued him. So,

I didn't know the details. That's what I'm saying. And I'm saying I'm making the connection. Oh, that was the [ __ ] from a few months ago. I didn't know who

it was. I just knew that he was that he was sued because when I first saw the lawsuit, it was under her government name. Oh. So, I didn't I didn't make the

connection to even who it was. But the but the argument was cuz it was and it was remember it was a Jane Doe at one

point as well. Anyway, uh that she that he sexually assaulted her during her employment at Def Jam in the early

2000s. This was the um this was the argument that was sexual assault and that happened over a period of

time. So that's what makes this interesting. For the last year or so, I've heard Lady Luck make allegations

about her time in the business and all the things that's happened to her, but she didn't explicitly explicitly say Kevin Laus. Then I also heard Kevin Laus

was accused of of sexual misconduct a few months ago. Didn't connect that it was her. So now the dots are connecting

a little bit. What Kevin L has effectively said in his post which is very long. I mean it's like a three or

four slides on Instagram small print. It's like a full statement. Okay. Is that first of course it's not true. He's

saying he's saying that he was told you know that you can pay $30 million or this lawsuit is going to move forward.

Um he points out all the times where she has said that he was a friend to her, a brother to her. He points out her happy

birthday posts. points to all the support he gave her as an artist that she still communicates with the entire

family. We had uh as recently as March 2025 and not like distant family like

father sister like most she says she called my mother mom my father pops she

called my sister her sister and her lifelong friends. So she's he's making it clear like there's a real

relationship with not just me, my family here too, right? And then the last beat of it is that he also talk he offers a

kind of what is both empathy and a kind of defense. He says, "I understand what she's going through. I know she's been

through a lot in this industry. I know she's had issues with substance abuse, mental health issues, etc." So he lays

it out in a way that sounds like he's being sympathetic, but also laying the groundwork for saying, "Hey, she's crazy

and I don't know why she would make this up." And he's not saying gray area, we got our signals crossed. He's saying this is a complete fabrication. I'm not

saying he's right. I'm simply saying that's the case he's laid out. And it's an interesting argument because all of

in theory all of everything that he wrote wrote could be true and he still could have done what she accused him of doing. And conversely, he could not

have. I don't I don't know the story well. I don't I don't know their lies well enough to know anything person inside. But this is big and this is

messy and this is a sign that this thing isn't going anywhere. A lot of people thought that the era of of people making

lawsuits, the era of people saying 10 years ago, 20 years ago, or 10 weeks ago, something happened to me was going to pass. It was going to be a fade, a

fad. Uh but in the kind of postmeto era, which I'm actually happy about, people

are still being courageous about telling their stories and people are still coming forward when things have happened to them. Again, I'm not saying this is

true. I'm saying this isn't going anywhere. This this is not a phase and and anything that's happened in this

business is probably going to come to light more and more over the next few years. Is this the only case or allegations

against Kevin L? Because you said that we heard this before. Is is she the person that popped it off against him?

To my knowledge, yes. But I can't say with certainty. What I thought was a second case actually was her going from

Jane Doe status to a public. But if it was back in February, then that means she still reached out to the family in

March. So that's what he's trying to That's what he's saying. Yes. And again, I I can't say whether that's true or not. I don't know, but that that's what

he issued in his statement. So, I just want to be very clear. I'm reading here that um the other one that was filed in

by Jane Doe in early earlier this year, that was a separate case. That was a

separate case. SE I think I think we should at least read uh I think it's one of his earlier

paragraphs that says everything that she's alleging. All right. I got it right here. um says here that she threatened to

publish a book and file a public lawsuit if he didn't pay the $30 million. She

threatened to allege that almost 26 years ago when signed as a recording artist to Death Jam, she was groomed.

She also threatened to allege that I exposed myself to her and pushed her head towards my genitalia in attempt to

force her to perform oral sex while she was allegedly sitting in the driver's seat of my car. So, those are the

allegations that he said that are going to be alleged against him.

How do we feel about this distinguished panel? Mel, what what is your thoughts

on these allegations and the fact that Kevin Lau actually got is trying to get

ahead of it? Well, I think he should. Okay. I absolutely think that he should try his, you know, um he should try to

get ahead of it because the court of public opinion, people are going to form their opinions

regardless of what you do. Um, and I think that Jay-Z kind of set an example

about being proactive about um, you know, false allegations, not just false

allegations, but like just being very vocal about your innocence in the situation. Gotcha. Okay.

And like Marcus said in the past, you know, like the my default is to want to

believe victims. Yes. However, $30 million is is it's a big number.

It's a it's a big number. Like, am I using the word punitive like incorrectly here? No, no, no. I get what you're

saying, but I need to understand the correlation because it just it just seems like it's it's a strange number to

choose, but it almost seems like it's it's it's a number that has been influenced by a lot of what we're seeing

right now. It sounds like it's the rate. Yeah. Yeah. It's Yeah, it sounds like it's the [ __ ] going rate right now,

you know, and I listen, I understand pain and suffering. I understand, you

know, emotional damage. I I understand all of that. I have existed in this business for a very long time. I've had

things happen to me as well. So, I and I understand the desire to have kept it

quiet and the shame and embarrassment and whatever else is feelings are associated with this. But

Mel, let me ask you a question. Go ahead. If you just I know where you're going. If you knew that she were telling

the truth, what number would you feel comfortable with?

It's hard to honestly it's it's hard to say. It's hard to put a number on what you consider to be your pain and

suffering and the length of pain and suffering that you have, you know, had to deal with over, you know, set amount

of of years, decades, or whatever the case is. But when I'm reading what she's charging him

with, it's it's excessive. It is. It's It's excessive. It seems And this is

just so The monetary amount. Yes. The monetary amount. It's excessive. And I feel like it sets a really bad

precedent. There's already people who are going to look at situations like this. There's people who look at Cassie like that was a money grab and that's

all it was. You know what I'm saying? So in situations like this, it starts to kind it it starts it really muddies the

waters in terms of um you know impact on

victim versus what it is that they're trying to um get in order to feel some

level of wholeness. You say I think you don't believe her. I'm not that's what I preface this by saying I I heir I my

default is to always believe victims. However, you take into account the

maintenance of of of um ancillary relationships with this person's family.

Somebody can tell you about Cassie, too. But wait, wait, wait, wait. Hold on, wait. I got a question. Are you saying it's Are you familiar with this, you

know? No, you're not familiar with No. No. You're not friends with him or anything? I just want to be clear. Okay.

No, no, no. It just passing. You know what I'm saying? Got it. So, you're just basing this off of what you read and

what you deduce. But yeah, okay. I think that the 30 number is we're shooting at

a high enough number to make you just want to get in. So they can settle for I don't care what we don't have any intention of getting 30 or anything

close to 30. We know we're not going to get that. But if I like it's something about that number 30 today. 30 million.

Mhm. It just you're right. We got to hurry up and get here. If I settle for the number the number's cap. I don't

even think it's settlement cap. If a settlement comes from it, great. But the 30 is headline. We want to move forward.

Right. Right. I I I haven't heard the story where they they demand the the 30

and it's paid in the next week. The reaction 99% of times is going to be,

man, if you don't get the [ __ ] out of here, I might have to flip my entire life upside down and just pay you 30. [ __ ] ain't doing that. I think they be

wanting to move forward, which is why often times we not even getting to the mediator part. We're moving forward if

you stall. Right. Right. Yeah. This is an interesting case because because that's gonna help the settlement. I

think after I move forward now your tone is going to be how do I make this go away? Yeah. Yeah.

and he's jumped out what like he launched the website uh lady lucku's ownwords.com and it's basically every

just just highlighting like in his letter he puts or in his um statement he says numerous years she's she said this

on podcast about me and and just how positive even to this day he put it all

on his website that that could backfire on him he could he specifically I don't think that helps he specifically pointed

out that in 2016 2022 and 2023 she denied inappropriate sexual interactions with

older men. Um, which he's saying is contradicted by what she's saying. Now, I get what he's doing. And if you're

innocent, I understand why you'd have the impulse to find every shred of evidence to prove your innocence.

Guilty people do this, too. Mhm. So, that's the first thing. The other thing is if it becomes overkill and it looks

like you're being too aggressive and you're attacking her too much, um, it could turn people off. It could make people distrustful. I don't know. I I

think there's three pieces. There's people going to believe that he did it and and are upset. People who don't believe it and say throw it away. There

are also going to be people who are going to read what he's alleged to have done and say, "Okay, like like they

don't care or Yeah, that's not that like it's not a big enough deal to warrant a $30 million lawsuit 30." I'm not saying

I don't feel that way, but I'm saying a lot of people do feel and and so just to be clear, you try to get some head in the car 30 years ago and and like that's

how that's how a lot of people are going to react. Just to be clear, that's basically what I was trying to get to is the fact that some people are going to

regard this as a and kind of situation, right? You know, in the grand scheme of

in comparison, say in comparison to some of the other cases we have seen, yes, which are horrific and have been video

documented. But wouldn't that contrition about power

dynamics I said I don't feel that way but I I'm saying that I think it might be a hard time to get a jury to believe

to care enough espec given the culture we live in to feel that it's worth that. I'm not saying but but it contradicts

what we've been saying up here when you've been saying that we should always believe victims go I know you're saying

you saying you don't feel that way but saying going into that so now we're making we're we're giving caveats to the

situation. No there's no contradiction there. I'm I'm saying we should believe victims. I'm saying that a lot of people

don't believe victims. And I'm saying in this case, I think that's gonna play out a lot. And No, you're saying that because the the the act is less

atrocious. Yeah. I'm saying cuz we normalize sexual harassment so much. Is there a victim spectrum to y'all? I was

about to say I don't understand how we how we how we are grading trauma on the curb. Oh [ __ ] But we're not. No, we're

not. Mel just said that the $30 million suit that she is filing is too much money. So, if this young lady felt as

though, and again, I'm just totally objective. You can't necessarily say, "Yo, because such and such might have uh

[ __ ] her in the ass and made her uh do xyz, then that is worth more than what

this particular piece of trauma is worth." Who the [ __ ] is the judge to do that? The jury. The judge and the jury.

No, I'm saying us as though as saying you can ask somebody out the gate. Say if if if you got hit ish if you got ish

if you got hit by a car and lost and and broke your your your your your your leg.

Someone else got hit by a car and lost their leg. I can't speak to how you experienced the the broken leg. But what

I can say is as a juror or as a person watching the jury, you judge that the loss of the leg to be worse than the

broken leg. It's a greater loss. It is. I I but I still think it's apples and oranges when you start coming down to emotional trauma and emotional stress.

You can't put my emotional stress and my emotional trauma or how I respond to something on a a scale as easily as a

broken leg versus a lost leg. I agree. I don't think you can do it as easily. I'm just saying the jury ultimately has to do that though. I'm not disagreeing.

We're not even talking about the jury. We're not talking about it. We're talking Yeah. We're talking about how you could say that this person is

charging too much money for their emotional distress. All All I'm saying is relative to what if Cassie's worth 30

million and says who? Says who? That's what we got. I'm I'm establishing that as an arbitrary standard based on the fact that's what she asked for. Yes. And

she was awarded allegedly something closer to close to that. So I'm saying if they gave Okay, 20. Even better. Settle. Okay. Not an award. Even better.

If Cassie settled for 20 and we say, "All right, that's our baseline. It doesn't have to be, but it is." Then it would be hard for me to say if Cassy's

experiences a baseline of 20, you know, an abuse baseline is nuts. Yeah. That's crazy to me. But that's how courts work.

That's the problem with the system. Hey, no, I agree with you. You can't say that Cassy's settlement number is what this

other person's settlement number should be less because she took this. You can't say that. And I'm not saying should I'm

I'm I'm making a practical assessment of how it actually is going to play out. I want them all to get as much as they deserve, as much as they want. I have no

I don't care. You mean I'm not I have no sympathy for the person spending the money who did the harm. I'm just saying

as a practical matter when you come to somebody and say I want 30 million knowing that Cassie just got 20 or

knowing that so and so got 50 or 10 or whatever. I'm just saying that to me there's a strategy in that and and and

you and you do walk in basing it just like you do all negotiations based on what the market gives. It's I think it

is perverse that we base emotional trauma on the market but in in a capitalist system that's what you do unfortunately. So how do we advance this

this talk and I this point is circular. Yeah. I I I I think I think the only thing moving forward is just is for me

was just to say again, we're going to see a lot more of this. Tons true, untrue, fake, false, 100% accurate.

We're going to see a lot more of it. I don't know. Do you think the industry is going to move differently

because of this culture or are we just going to see a lot more payouts for the next 10, 20 years? I think we're going to see a lot more payouts. And that was

what I was trying to say is that it seems like this 30 million is the baseline that is being created. Whether

or not what whether or not we judge it to be correct or incorrect, too much, too little or whatever the case is that

the fact of the matter is like a baseline seems to be be created and it's just like

there's like what what is the mathemat what's the mathematics here for it? You know what I'm saying? I think there are

none. There are none. I don't think there are none. We going back into the circle though. No. I don't and I don't want to I just wanted to you know make

the point that that was what I was trying to say earlier in the conversation and then also about you

know um the the the maintenance of the relationship with the family and the

comparison to Cassie. I feel like that in itself is like is apples and oranges

it yeah it's total it's totally different because this was we Cassie is

alleging in her testimony that she was groomed and that this was like an Yeah.

And this was an ongoing Cassie was his girl. I know. And this was this was an ongoing, you know, physical, mental,

emotional, psychological captivity situation. That is not this. I hear

that. I hear that. So So let's think about the next part of this though, which was my question about how do we

move forward? What does the culture look like moving forward? How are relationships different? What's going to be different? Now, I think that there's

some inherent generational differences that are going to be just on display just cuz people, younger people think

different than older people. Some of these people that have been accused of these heinous [ __ ] are from a different world where men in power did whatever

the [ __ ] they want. And I think we'll see less of it just based on that alone. And I do think also people are going to

be scared of getting sued for $30 million. The scary part is well if you was wild and if you have

$30 million huh and which is a small sector of men

very small right? But it's it's people that got 300,000. It's people that got

100,000. It's people that got half a million. You get what I'm saying? 30 is a a different type of number, right?

Like Smokey got getting two for Is there a way that we would ever see those stories publicized where the number is

that of a 250 and $300,000 win? They may not be public, but that still don't mean

that that might start to be be a trend. Like the trend trickles down so the girl that can't you know what I'm saying? And

I'm seeing that a lot now when I speak at corporations and I talk about DEI, we talk about corporate behavior. A lot of people are talking about the boss gets

sued personally. The company's getting sued as Def Jam in this case and they're getting sued for those 50 100 $200,000.

It's happening a lot right now. It's actually quite interesting. More so than the Kevin Low situation. Yeah. Because what once we see them get a bag, it's

like oh that [ __ ] tried to do that 50 times four years ago. Like he

was smacking me on my ass when I would come in his office every day. So, I think that it's it's basically starting

to give more women the courage to come forward and really claim some [ __ ] that might they might have been going through

for the last 15 20 years in corporate. I I'm not dis I I'm not, you know, uh

against that. What I do see, what I think is going to start happening though is from the male's perspective, my

[ __ ] you kind of got to be careful. You should be careful period where you put your dick.

But I'm saying like when you 20 something years old or you single or you're a man in power, you're not necessarily that uh h displaying that

level of discernment. You know what I'm saying? When you're a single man like back then, absolutely not. There was absolutely there was no [ __ ]

discernment. There was no HR today. No, I understand. But but we're talking about cases that are being presented

from decades ago and women are coming forward now. And you know, I can just I

can speak from the standpoint of being having been there. There was no HR. These were [ __ ] treacherous,

sharkinfested [ __ ] waters. It was survival of the [ __ ] fittest. And I

think that also what's happened is I feel like consent should have been like the word of like 2022 or 2021 or

whatever the the fact, whatever year that it started to be used so consistently because our our vocabulary

has changed. Our understanding of thing of what consent is has changed. It's

nobody was saying that [ __ ] word back then. You know what I'm saying? The understanding as a woman being in this

business in front of the camera, behind the camera was that you were chum for the sharks and either you either you you

you found a way to survive. So the fact of the matter is is there is going to be

certain circumstances in which chickens are coming home to [ __ ] roost and your behavior was predatory then and you

got to pay for it now. It's consent and it's power and the cult in culture to me all connected. So for example, some

having committing a sexual act where somebody doesn't want to do it. That's the part where we all kind of be like all right yeah we know that's not cool.

But 30 years ago asking your artist for a [ __ ] unfortunately wasn't considered out of bounds. it was out of

balance to force them to give you a [ __ ] but to ask them for one and they had a right to say yes or no in a lot of in the culture of the music

business and really corporate America in general, but especially in the music business was you could do that. So part of what it is is applying today's rules

to 30 years ago. And I'm not justifying the behavior. I'm just saying we have to have an honest conversation about the culture of institutions and

organizations to understand how we got here. Otherwise, it sounds like this random dude is just walking around doing wild [ __ ] with quote unquote power

dynamics didn't exist necessarily back then as a understand as a term pretty your

secretary was pretty you shot she accepted it was like yo this is

consensual we were dating and I was even from the rip [ __ ] hired the secretary because that's part that was part of the

I think that's really really scary murky waters to be treading in and I Yeah,

y'all having a great talk, so I ain't about to come in and say some [ __ ] to tell you first. I want to hear it.

It's a learned behavior. Say more. Um, you think it's a learned

behavior? I know. I know he was. I mean, you were there. It's not a coincidence that every black

mogul for the most part in the music business is dealing with this. Take it off music cuz this happens. I'm in

entertainment. Gotcha. Gotcha. I'm not talking about the rest of the world. Mhm. I'm in the I'm in entertainment.

That's what I'm talking about. This is not only happening with black

mogul in the entertainment business. And each one of them came up under somebody.

Mhm. I'm not pointing fingers. I'm not I'm not even really having to talk. But

it is a learned behavior. All of them. Mhm. All of them. From every one of them. You're just not going

to hear about where they learned it from. Yeah. And I'm not trying to Not necessarily. Please, I don't want to

sound like I'm excusing it either. So, yeah. I I I think that something else that could be at play there too is which

we see even today with a [ __ ] who just wasn't him in high school or when he was

coming up. And now you get to that level. Now it's entitlement kick in. Like now it's like [ __ ] y'all owe me

for what I couldn't get back then. Now now I'm going to make y'all pay damn near. Now it's those two things combined. It's a lot of [ __ ] that

behave like that. Yo. Yeah. It's a lot of different things I think cuz again you just speaking from music perspective. I think in corporate

America I think in Wall Street. I think in politics like I got some friends in politics. It's going on in the political

arena as well. It's just not as uh uh public figures. So we don't know that

it's going on when this senator or this congressman like that [ __ ] is it's it's

everywhere. I think that men of power have a certain level of entitlement and when they see beautiful women, they feel

like they can exercise that power in a manner that they see fit. I don't think that it's foreign or it's just exclusive

to the music business. That's why I think we have to look at the systems. It's just like back in the ' 90s when we were looking for the gay rapper. It was

as if there was just one as opposed to understanding the the culture was built in a way where there's lots of queer

folk there as artists, as set designers, as as every any job there was a gay person there. But we didn't want to

accept that as a culture. If we keep looking for the predator producer or the predator CEO, we lose sight of the fact

that it's a predatory industry. True. VPs and directors and all this is a predatory business and people are always

looking to get a leg up either because they couldn't get it in high school or because they could and they want more or because they saw their their mentor do

it. All all the factors are part of it. But we got to have an honest. If you can recognize it's a predatory business, then why can't you recognize the people

that put in the predatory business practices? I think it goes back to what

I'm saying. Let's get I'm with you. I'm saying go past puffing them. Go past all Let's Let's get to the heart of it.

That's the culture part of it. Yeah. And part of the culture is also everybody else's part of the culture is the hero

worship. The hero worship also creates is a massive symptom to the [ __ ] problem. I just watched the Brett Favre

Untold. I don't know if y'all saw that. That [ __ ] was [ __ ] wild. What was wild about it? Well, so we all know I

saw it. Okay. Um what was wild about it was there was this um sideline reporter

named Jen uh Steager and Brett Favre decided that he liked her and he started

to um solicit her attention um anonymously at first and then he got her

phone number through the head office. They gave it to they gave it to him. This is when he was with the Jets and um

he started to contact her. She made it clear she had absolutely no interest in

him whatsoever. The great Brett Favre. And everybody would be like, "Oh, well, of course she No, she had no interest."

And she was terrified that she now had his attention in a way that she know she

didn't want it because she knew that this was going to end badly for her. And

it did. Her career is [ __ ] over. He sent her a dickpick and whatever else. And then the story comes out a little

bit later um about his you know about his unwanted advances um this uh I

forget what the what the magazine is that um she worked with at the time but she confided in the editor Deadspin

Deadspin she confided in the editor who was her friend she was sharing tea she was sharing tea expected that this was

an off thereord [ __ ] it was an off the record conversation between two um you know where you work it's dead spin

dead Spin is the wild wild west of all of that sports commentary [ __ ] Dead

Spin posts the the superstar athletes sending dickpicks. They don't focus on

the stats. I understand that. But when you are having a you're talking to the editor or the owner or

whatever attention about Listen, I get it. But if you are having an off thereord [ __ ] conver conversation

with your friend, off the record is just it's just a a ploy. She might have thought they was friends. Even if you

did, that that's that's very naive on her part. That's not true, bro. Bro, if if I know what this company does. Let's

just take it. I know what the company do. I know what they're about. She she writes she writes for dead spin. She

write This is her colleague. I would if I'm having a conversation with you, Ice, I am going to have this expectation.

It's sitting over there that you're not going to get on Twitter and start writing, "Oh, Mel said this, Mel said that." I have that expectation of you.

Correct. If our business was to talk about whatever it is that you talking about, right? That's what our business,

that's what our brand is based, that's what we do. And you come in here and say something, then expect, well, damn, how

did that get out? Why? Like you asking the National Inquirer not to post something about you. Okay. So, yes, you

have a right to do that. That is the side that you got. They're still the National Inquir. Not saying I would do it, but I'm just saying, but go ahead.

The expectation is kind of I would I would have expected my friend to have a little bit more integrity. You know what I'm saying? So anyways, he basically

says, "Oh, well, [ __ ] that. I'm printing it." And so that was how the world started or found out about these

inappropriate text messages that Brett Favre was sending to this girl and the fact that she and he paid her. Who? The

Desmond. They paid the girl for the story. No, I didn't see that in Yes. It was in

the dock. Mhm. It was in She sold the story. They paid after After the That's different,

though. That's She was not You're trying to make me whole. She was not She was Yeah. She was not soliciting any attention for this story. She did not

sell the story. She didn't want anybody to know because she knew that this was going to be harmful career suicide. And

it was. Now, how do we regard Brett Favre as still the [ __ ] gunslinging

[ __ ] hero that everybody perceives him to be? Stole that money from But

yeah, we don't regard that. No, but a lot of people still do. The [ __ ] statue in [ __ ] Green Bay hasn't been

taken down. He can walk in the stadium and get a [ __ ] standing ovation. I'm still I'm talking about hero worship

here. Statue got to get taken down cuz he sent a dickpick. No, I'm talking about the scandal in [ __ ] Mississippi

stealing from the [ __ ] poor. That's what that welfare that that [ __ ] that [ __ ] was disgusting. He has plausible

deniability in that what they show. Again, there's text. I still think he's a piece of [ __ ] So again, there's text messages.

How you interpret those text messages is different. He said, "Hey, is there any way I can get in trouble for this?" Which was interpreted as he was well

aware that the crimes were going on. There's another way to interpret, "Hey, is there any way I can get in trouble

for doing this getting this money?" It don't have to go that way is all I'm saying. Depends on how you see it. Okay.

Well, I choose to see it the way that a lot of people see it, that he was that he understood where this money was

coming from and extremely complicit. Got it. I got him as a piece of [ __ ] too. He wasn't doing nothing different than

most of these colleges are and have been doing for a long time. Which is the

point I'm making. Yeah. It's like and we see we see it with every every cong every congressman I know who've been who go to

and I can name at least three congressman I know who I two of whom I work with directly who went to jail for corruption and and taking bribes. Yeah.

They did it. They did the same thing that every other member of Congress does and they just got they either got caught

up or were less slick or they got watched more or they crossed somebody that was like a word. Exactly. Exactly.

You know, so I'm just saying like all these institutions are corrupt and at some point we got to get past it. But but that's a social question. That's why

I keep saying the the desire to be like these unaccountable white men who are

never going to be held accountable the way we are is something we got to work through the tone, right? Cuz we'll sit

there and can I say Clive Davis? I don't know. But if not, beep it out. My point is there's a lot of people who look at

the the behavior in the music industry and say, "Well, he why did he get away with it and I can't get away with this

[ __ ] How's he there? I've been asking Clive questions for years. So, I mean, I

think it's just a good old boy club. I think that society in itself again outside of the music business, outside

of finance, my [ __ ] look at the presidency and what they saying, all of the [ __ ] it tracks. Like, they got him

documented saying, "Yo, if Hillary Clinton did XYZ with Qatar, it's some [ __ ] He just took a $400 million

plane." They they set the rules and they play by the rules that they want. So, money, power, respect is the mantra. Let

me let me ask y'all a few things because we do have to close this and I do have to get to a ad. What do y'all think ends up happening to Kevin Laos? Nothing. I I

don't I think he wins this. He He He painted a picture of of of somebody. He laid that out. Not to mention her drug

history, her criminal history, her felony history, drug distribution of heroin. I mean, it's going to be hard to convince people that this not a money.

Not Not just that, unfortunately. And and I [ __ ] with Luck Jersey. Yeah. She not big enough. She not big enough. They

not They don't They don't care about the victim enough. Yeah. And that's really what happens in a lot of these cases.

People go looking for perfect victims and there very rarely is one. Not even necessarily perfect. Her cash big

enough. Do Do we give a [ __ ] enough? She's not a sympathetic enough figure as well. It's true. And again, I'm not

saying she's lying. I'm just saying I don't think she wins this. I I don't think so. Agreed. I agree with that. God

damn. Listen, you feel we're cynical at this point. What's cynical? No. Cynical.

Cynical. Oh. Uh, am I feeling cynical? No. No. Was that the goddamn Oh, yeah. I

mean, a little bit. I mean, just how it sounds. Yeah. I mean, like, it's hard not to be cynical at this point. You

social media and just like the barrage of information that we get, you know, as it relates to things like this. After a

while, it desensitizes you. So, we going to flip-flop on when? All right. I just

It's not It's not Yeah. Not flip-flopping. We're flip-flopping on when our cynicism kicks in. We are. I'm

too sick to talk about it. But me, too. We are. Me, too. You, too.

I know. I'm confused. I don't see I I think I I think I It feels to me like y'all are equating a prediction that

this isn't going to work out well with a kind of endorsement that it's not going to work out well. Like, no, I didn't

have a problem with where y'all left at. Okay. Okay. When Mel took it further here in that piece. Oh, okay. When you

say, "Y'all, I got conf." Okay. Got you. Got you. With the cynicism.

Yeah. It's like selective cynicism. Sure. Maybe, maybe a little bit. Not for

me. I honestly I rarely believe things are going to work out well. I I support victims and I just don't I still don't believe they think she'll get paid a

settlement. I think she will. I think she'll get something. I think she'll get some I think she'll get a very small amount. But that is where my cynicism

comes from. I don't think so. I don't think so. Now, I don't think he's going I don't think he's looking to even try

to sell follow the Jay-Z trend and be like, "No, I'mma fight it all the way." Number one, you broke. You broke. And

again, no disrespect to Luck. I [ __ ] with her like big jersey, but you broke. You can't you can't remotely get the the

the the power team that I could muster up. I

think it's gonna set we got to stop this. Let's say he's innocent. If he's innocent. If if if if he's innocent, I

think it behooves him to fight it all away. Agreed. You get what I'm saying? Now, if he's not

innocent, that's another story. But if he is in the lawyer fees and [ __ ] though, I at some point, you got to be

practical. Hoveve got Hoveve was like, I will burn money just to make the point. All of us can't afford to do that. Kevin

Laos can afford way higher attorneys than Lady Law. That's fair. Keep in mind

also that death jam is being sued, too, though. So, so they may actually have an investment in saying I don't want to be

smeared. I don't want it to be said that we built this. I'm just saying there's a few angles to be played here that it

wouldn't shock me if they came to right now and said we got 250 for you. She might have to just take that and it wouldn't shock. That's what I mean by a small amount. It wouldn't shock me if

she took it. That and that's my prediction. I think that's happen 250 grand and shut. That's what I think is

going to happen. You will spend $250,000 in lawyer fees easily. So, half a million dollars to shut your ass up and

go away. It's possible. I I that's what it's possible. No, that's possible. Yeah, it's time for some TMP.

Just hit him with some TM thoughts and prayers and prayers. Thoughts and prayers for all parties involved.

We'll keep you updated as as we are updated. Sure.

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in in sports, does anybody have the Wolves winning another game? Uh, I think they could win another one. I don't.

Nah. Yo, this it's belt to ass. I think they defeated it mentally. Yeah. I think they defeated it mentally. And

before game four of the Knicks series, everybody here counts the Knicks out. No, I do. I got the Knicks winning this

game. I got paces in five. It's hard. It's hard to count the Knicks out. They play hard, but I hope they lose, but

they play hard. You're not trying to Wait, do you really believe the Knicks are going to win the series? Oh, yeah. $1,000. I'll take it. Done. I'll take

it. Wait, just to be clear, I'm just I'm betting the Pacers will win the series. cuz you bet the Knicks win series cuz you think I got I learned from the water

bets and [ __ ] If the if the Pacers win this series, you going to send me $1,000. If the Knicks win, I'm going to send you $1,000.

Um, all right. I want to remix that. Exactly. That's why I asked. Only because I'm taking it with us down 2-1.

So, I think I should be incentivized differently. No, but 2-1. If it was 2-3. Oh, yeah. It's 2-1 before game four.

Game four on the road. Yeah. I feel like I should be incentivized different. I'm down to bet. I got 25. I got 25 out with

uh I got bets out on this series. Okay. But I'm down. I'm down. How would you What's the incentive? Uh, let's go to

500 more. 500 more? Yeah, sure. Done. Got it. I'll take it. Oh, what does that mean? Oh, 1,500 to a stack. 1,500 to a

stack. He went I He went the same. Pardon me. You drunk that. What? What

you bringing today? Same what I'm bringing every day. Avon again. You back. You back to Avon. Yeah. You new

money [ __ ] don't know what Avon is. Yo, how long you got to have money before people can stop calling you new money? When you stop acting like new

money. Oh [ __ ] When it when it fits on you, when it when it when you move. Oh no, that's not true. If you had money

for [ __ ] 40 years and act like a new [ __ ] then what? New money. You won't know it's new money. You won't even

know. You'll be accustomed to [ __ ] that got money, they don't know they got money. Yeah, you're right. What's one

indication that you are new money? Arguing about water.

Yeah, douche. That's a good one. Hey, hey, hey yo, real real quick though before we go on, I I do want to take my

time out and shout out to Kin that and um the guys over there at Stream University. I think it was great. It was

amazing. First of all, round of applause for you roll. No, I didn't roll over,

but no, no, no. There was there was uh mixing schedules. It was Remember I kept telling you guys that there was a

surprise that I was working on. Um I'll get into that later cuz it's not about me. But what it is is that to watch a

young man come from New York and to make something out of it, to take ideas and put it on a larger scale and to execute

it, especially to put the young ones on, that's amazing to me. I have nothing but but admiration and respect for Kai, the

whole team over there. Shout out to Talo. Shout out to everybody. I mean, he's changing lives, man. Bringing people that was on there with um uh 100

people watching them, bringing people with a thousand, just bringing them together. And I like the way he handled certain situations in there, right? when

a young lady was was bullied or felt like she was bullied or got made fun of,

he went over there and sat with her and did a stream. Like, he addressed every situation head on. And I respect God,

man. I tipped my hat to Kai in there, man. I'll see you guys soon. But I tip my hat to them, man. But let me just say about a professor. I say, let me just

say, Flip, you deserve to be there. And I know y'all working out the details, but you are an architect of this [ __ ]

And a lot of people, I'm not talking about Kai right I'm just saying in general who do the work they do on YouTube and on live streaming in general

have followed your model and they don't always give you the credit. So I just want you to know that you deserve to be there too. I appreciate that. Thank you.

Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Yeah. I get to flip [ __ ] every day in my DMs. Yo s is the flip. Some [ __ ] singing in

Philly. Yeah. I got it. It was you saying it right. I mean but you know we

we get calls man. There's two people up here to get the calls when it's when it's time. We get the calls. Schedule two people up here to get the calls.

Yeah they do. The schedule was was was a conflict and I I wanted to [ __ ] on y'all. I wanted to [ __ ] on y'all. I had

a whole plan. But cuz I remember I'm going to Indianapolis and I was going to Ohio. It was a whole thing that I was

doing. But the It's just I thought it was It's crazy. But salute the car. Salute everybody up there. Salute the

Stream University, man. That made me feel good seeing that. That's You should do the You should do the uh streamer

portables. The what? You should That's That's a good idea.

You should do your own [ __ ] Wait that streamer community college

streamer [Music] streamer.

You got that. I like that. I think you would smoke that. Yeah, I know. I know. I got you. For the less for the lesser

streamers. For the ones for the ones on the dark side of the way. Right. Breeze.

The chicken nugget streamers. Huh? I didn't say I didn't say I didn't say I

was going to be in. Did you give to the colleges, [ __ ] Did you give to the high school? I did not say nothing about the the chicken nuggets. I can have

pizza. I'm dying to cook some nuggets with cooking with Kaya. Yeah, you be proud though. You proud,

you know. Yo, one thing about you and I, man, you know I ain't too far from something that's moving like that. You know I'm not too far from it, [ __ ] I

know you got a whole not 50°. That [ __ ] like two got a whole deck of cards up his sleeve. I'm about to fall. But but like it's just it feels good when people

acknowledge you. That's part of why I keep you around. Yeah. But but you know what it is. Thank you. I appreciate that. But it feel it feels good when

people acknowledge you, right? A lot of people try to make in closing, they try to make comparisons to make me feel away. But the people that's running

There's no comparison. No, of course. Salute to them. They doing their thing. But when I come around, they acknowledge me. When I come around,

they they invite me in. But they know who I am. You can crack the jokes, too.

been married. I'm about now when you see yo probably for they invite me. They

they invite me in. Yo, flip. Come on, [ __ ] It was a whole thing set up, [ __ ] I did a date. [ __ ] [ __ ] I support I just I support you about it.

I'm supporting you, [ __ ] I said good job. You You said chicken. I'm I'm going go to the pool. I know you talking about

the little [ __ ] in the corner with the two teachers behind the

building. Trailers in the back. How many teachers in one do [ __ ] [ __ ] [ __ ] out of here. Uh, speaking of

some streamer [ __ ] did y'all see Drewuski skit? Uh, the cool white boy. Yes. I thought I thought I thought it

was hilarious. There's a lot of people in the uproar. Yeah, they they are not parks. You want to speak for your people? That's an uproar. I will not

speak for them. What's to be uproar about about that? It was hilarious. To me, it was funny too. Free. What's the

They was uproar because it's white face. Yeah, cuz it's white

face. Cuz the cool white guy in the hood, right? Dwight Boy is good in the hood. Like I did see I not saying that

it was upset over it, but I did see um Theo Vaughn post, "Oh, great. Cool. Let me go get my paint."

That's funny. That's hilarious to me. That's funny. But you get what he's

actually about. The people that are actually mad about it, I just guess don't understand why blackface is bad.

No, they don't. They think it's just because like, oh, we can't do it. Why could you do it? That's That's when I was starting to forget why I didn't like

Theo. I almost was forgetting why I didn't [ __ ] with him. See, I just rely on if I

don't [ __ ] with you, that's my memory of it. I don't need to remember why. That's why. All right. Thank you for that, Freeze. Theo [ __ ] Vaughn. Yeah. See,

I freeze think that's funny. Parks it too. Well, just me a lot. Parks can

think it's funny is the thing. I can't though. I'm not here for it today. Got

it. Hey, I'm sick. Y'all go ahead. So, hey, TMP. I like I liked TNP. You think

it's the same? First, you think it's the same? I just like comedy. No, we asked you a question. I think Do I think him

saying it? Let me get Let me get my paint. Yes. Is the same as I don't even think he even intending to do it. I just think the statement was funny. I'm

making fun of that. Can you answer the question we're asking? Do I think if he were to put on black face, it's the same. It's not black face and white

face. Black face and white face are not the same. Nowhere near the same. Okay. Just checking at all. Thank God. And

that's the thing that pisses me off when white people act like it is. That's all. It's not the same. It's nothing nowhere

near the same. There's no historical implication behind white people. No, people like to ignore context when it's

convenient. And it's like when like black power, white power aren't the same thing. When I say black power, I'm

trying to get us free. When you say white power, you trying to give me lynching trying to keep us. Yeah. And it's the voice. And it's the voice

meter. White power. It's the voice. Yeah. It's the

voice and the fist that go the boys and fist that the look that come with it. It's the flag that's behind it. I

honestly thought that was one of Drew's better skits. It was hilarious. Hilarious. That [ __ ] is funny when he

goes back to the the dinner table. That was that was Preston. Yeah. Stop talking like that.

His name Preston when he went back home. He nailed that skit. He did. I think he even posted somewhere. was like thanking

everybody cuz it was like his fastest skit to reach 100,000 comments or

something. It was like he hit a milestone with that. Oh, good for him man. I'm such a huge fan.

I'm a huge fan of Drewkis. I love what he does. Is why you looking at me? What?

I asked me off camera why I didn't think about the Drewuski skit. Why I didn't think about doing that? Like ish, why

you don't believe in supporting black men and brothers supporting each other, man? Why I got to think of that? That's That's not That's not Flip's uh style.

You said, "Why don't I?" There's way too much nuance for that. No, you But you asked me that off camera. I didn't hear you, Mark. Say it again. Why? Why? I'm

paying. I said, "It's not your bag." Like you you do a different style of comedy. He That's what I said. Well, no. He said He said it was too nuanced for

you. No, that's not what he said. It is. Was that what you said? Not exactly. No. What' you say? I don't remember exactly

what I said. Yes. Okay. All right. Thank you, man, for holding me down. Definitely not exactly what I said. Hey yo, listen. It's Listen, y'all different

styles. Exactly. And and I support Drewski and I can adapt to anything though. I I don't doubt that. Watch me

on to TS point when you see I don't doubt that. I think you could be I think you could be George Carlin if you wanted to be. I don't know who that is and I think that's a disc. No, no,

actually I give up. All right. Thank you. Another big thing. Big marriage.

Big marriage. Big marriage. And love is in the air. Yes. Something's in the air.

Travis Hunter. Travis Hunter married his uh high school sweetheart. his high school sweetheart. Yeah, at least

college sweetheart. I mean, when you're like 20, it just feels the same. I didn't call it that. But Travis Hunter

is the second pick from this recent NFL draft. He went to the Jaguars.

Uh he went to Colorado, you know, explain my parents. Yeah, he's a he's a

star. He's a star player on both offense and defense, which is extraordinarily rare. who came under fire because a

after a lot of his big moments, his girlfriend seemingly made it about her, at least that was the internet's

interpretation of her behavior. Uh so the fact that they're married now is a

conversation. How do you feel about that, Joe? But not not just that they married, that's not the married with no prenup and they posted no pren before

the prenup part though. I'm just saying cuz like you know when we first talked about this four months ago, five months

ago, you said see if she'll be around in a year. He married her, which was my prediction

that they that she was there for the long haul. That doesn't negate my It doesn't I'm not saying you're wrong. We don't know. The hall of what though?

The the long hall of justice truck, right?

You all breaks. No, I'm just saying, you know, I'm not saying you're wrong. I'm saying, does

this change in your your estimate or your prediction at all? No. No, you still think five, six months it's going

to be over. I mean, I'm not Listen, I'm a I love love, so don't make I don't want to put death dates on people's

relationship. Yeah, I don't want to do that. You wish the best. I mean, no, I don't I don't necessarily wish the best. I don't know them. I don't give a [ __ ]

about them. But But god damn, I love love [ __ ] [ __ ] them

[ __ ] I don't know them like that. But how do how do we feel about the no

prenup thing? How do we know about the no prenup thing? They post it. Okay. Is it official? Because I know it was like

a rumor. It was alleged. I don't know if they said like we didn't sign a prenup. That's a weird thing to announce, right? Yeah. It's super not a not in the clout

chasy world. It's not. Yeah. I was about to say and in the world we live in where everybody That's going to be the question. You I wonder if they'll know.

Let me put that out there. They're going to go run crazy with it. That's the world we live in. It's possible that he that they did that in a, you know, to

try to deflect away from all the negative attention she had received earlier last year. She got that [ __ ]

wrapped around her finger. Could they have just posted that as a joke? Yes.

For the same reasons they just said for attention. Oh, attention. I mean, conversation still don't change. It

don't change. I mean, I'm okay with no prenup and I don't I don't I don't think it's an issue. Um, but you're 40some

years old. Do you think that your 20some year old self would have said the same thing? I mean, to be honest, I think I have more of an argument now for signing

the prenup. It goes farther than that. It goes farther than that. Okay, go ahead. Your 20some year old self that

just walked into a potential financial windfall. But that's exactly that's what I mean. You know, you weren't 20ome was

still struggling. I I pupping for this. But your 20 with the

coat, [ __ ] Right. He had a coat now. What we splitting? Your 20-year-old

mentality or 20 something year old mentality with with his sim same circumstances. Imagine being a prenup

person. I mean, I'll say this. I think there's nothing wrong with signing a prenup. And I think paperwork and

contracts, as uncomfortable as they are, prevent problems later. And I say that in business, too, right? Signing

contracts, no matter how uncomfortable they are, prevents fallout later. So, I have no problem with people who sign

Korean. I think it's I don't think it's wrong to do. I personally had no desire to do it. I I had Is it just prenup or

would you do that in like a business deal too with no paperwork? No, in the business deal I I I would absolutely I believe in paperwork in general. I mean

there's just times where I haven't done it. It's always come back to bite me. Every time I haven't signed a paperwork, it's come back to bite me. So I'm curious if you feel cuz marriage is

basically a business Yeah. business arrangement. So why would you be so cool

with no prenup for marriage? It's I can't say that I would be cool with a prenup under any marital

circumstance, but in my particular circumstance, I felt good with it. I felt comfortable with it. But again, I

don't think it's I don't think I'm right and other people are wrong. Again, everybody should It's a case by case basis. Yeah, it's a case by case basis.

I I felt comfortable I felt comfortable with um a couple things to make it real

short. My wife and I Can you push that mic closer to you? What you say? Can you push that mic? Oh, yeah. Yeah. Sorry. My

wife and I have been together on and off for a long stretch of time. Okay. Um,

and I felt like a lot of the moves that I made were based on her wisdom and her advice. I felt like a lot of the success

I had was based on things that she told me. So, I felt like there was a way that I felt like she was entitled to some of

the stuff that I had. So, and I knew that whatever we had after we got together, she deserved. So, so for me,

in my case, a prenup, she was already contributed to the Yeah. I felt like she earned it. So, for my case, it didn't

make sense to me. Got um but again, everybody's situation is different. If I were Elon Musk marrying somebody

tomorrow, I would I'm not going to say I'd feel the same way cuz I wouldn't. Got it. You know what I mean? I don't think that anybody who marries Elon Mus

deserves and not again, you know, I feel about billionaires, but just in in as a matter of ethics and logic, I don't

think anybody deserves half of it just by virtue of getting married. I I want that money to go to poor people, not the

[ __ ] the woman he married to get half of it. Okay, let me ask you let me ask you a question. She was poor.

Mark, let me ask you a question. Talk about God forbid y you and your you and your wife don't work out, you get

divorced. Mhm. And later on you go to get remarried, would you prenup that?

Cuz now you already got all this and that person didn't help you get any of it. That's one of them counterfactual hypotheticals. If if if me and my wife

don't work out, you ain't never seen me get married again. I'm going be you going you going to see me in the worst

of places. Got it. Got it. Put like this. You going to see me and Imani out a lot.

You going to see we going to be taking selfies and [ __ ] We going to be on Instagram. We going to be in the wildest of places, [ __ ] Um, yeah. So, that's a

that that's a non-factor. Got you. That's an interesting choice that he made though. And I'm surprised

that his family, if it's true, cuz they could be trolling. Yeah. I'm surprised

his family allowed that to happen. They grown. I know. I know. They disallow it.

They can't. But I'm sure that they could, you know, levy a lot of pressure like we don't know that they have it.

Everybody's family is different. And not just that, we don't know that they have it. We don't know that they not feeling none of this. You know, there's

instances where they go uh two go off and get married under whatever circumstances and the family don't like

that [ __ ] or people be rebelling on. You know, his mom said something. Yeah. I mean, his mom is heavily involved in his

career. She knows. Is that you know that to be true? I don't know. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, his mother is know everything,

[ __ ] He a doctor. She's involved and she's He offered to marry them, [ __ ] Don't think I wouldn't. It's a very

small fee. From that video, from that video that's circulating of him dancing at what looks like a reception. I don't

know if it's his reception. It looked like he probably ain't ever had no black [ __ ]

Safe. I'm just going to put it out there. Safe to something. Say it. Where you from? You I have no idea. I don't

know nothing about Travis Hunter outside of what Deion Sanders told me.

But I know when it looked like a [ __ ] ain't never had no black [ __ ]

That's the setup to lose everything. And that's what Jaden Daniels moms is sitting there saying will not be

happening to her son. Yeah, some good points. Yeah, she just goes overboard. To who? Us.

Us. The streets. She she looking at it as if I don't go overboard, we get that. Hey, Mike sunk. Yeah. Yeah.

So, I'm just cur Oh, first let me ask you, Mel, because you're in an interesting situation. You're in an

interesting position as the only No, the only woman on the set, right? How do you feel about the How do you feel about the

prenup? Yo, how do you feel about the prenup? Like, would you have entered any any

potential marriage that you considered? Would you have done it without with a prenup without a prenup?

I would want a prenup. Yes. But that's just at this stage of my life. This You

would want one? Yes. On whose behalf? On both of our behalfs. Why? You don't take

your greasy word, [ __ ] I got I

got your [ __ ] money. Exactly. Keep [ __ ] with me. I got assets, [ __ ] Okay. Watch your mouth, [ __ ]

Watch your Dis.

Hey yo, I ain't going to let you do that, dog. I ain't going to let you do that. I got you, man. What the [ __ ] Hey, hold on. What's wrong with y'all

[ __ ] picking on me like that? We got [ __ ]

She got the bookshelf, [ __ ] Watch your [ __ ] mouth. She got the catcher in the ride. Who gets

this TV? She got asses, [ __ ] 27 in.

I got you. He grew up in West Palm. West Palm Beach. West Palm Beach. West

Palm Beach. Oh, yeah. All right, Mark. All right. All right. Easy. Yeah, that was one of Mark's better.

Yeah. Uh that Joey's assessment is probably very correct. So all white girls. Yeah. Walk like who gets the king

man. Hey, they're collector's [ __ ] items. Okay. They are collector's items right

now. Smooth smooth magazine. Collector's item. Collector's item. Anyhow, yes, I would

want to sign a play with your play with me. Sure. No. Talk to me like you talked

to [ __ ] uh Theo, [ __ ] Watch your [ __ ] toe. Don't come over here. Talk to me like you talked to Malcolm Jamal.

We saw that. Yeah, I seen it. We all saw it. And we can get to this later. You guys can tell me your assessment of of

how of how we interacted with one another. However, at this stage of my life, I would want a prenup. Uhhuh. I

assets. No, no, no. Listen. for him. I love the fact if this is in fact true

that he is that in love with his girl. I love that. I love that for him. I don't think

[ __ ] I'm thinking like I I'm trying to think like a very very young person and how idealize how much we idealize love.

You know what I'm saying? It's different at this age where we have life experience and [ __ ] like that jaded

cynicism and all that [ __ ] We really idealize love and we look at our partner as forever and oh my god, you know, like

I love that. I love that for him. If it's a hard lesson for him to learn in the future, we don't know. We don't

know. But I love the fact that he idealizes love so much and feels that

level of connection with his partner that he feels like this is forever. I think that's I think that's very sweet.

And I think that I think that's a bad reason. I think it's a terrible [ __ ] reason. I think love is terrible [ __ ]

reason, but it is it is the fact. I think congrats to them on their marriage. I think it's a smart move for

a young man about to move into a bunch of money to get married and stay out of some potential pitfalls that we see

other people fall into. Yeah. I think we should be looking at the positive things about this [ __ ] That's what I'm saying. I'm I'm going with the positive. And you

better make it work, too, because black women will have their I told you so

moment in the event that it doesn't. What's his girl at? They gonna have a moment. Black girls don't care. It be a

story. White white white white guy got killed by his white girlfriend at the house. Black girls be like, "Told you.

Told you. Told you [ __ ] with the white." Hey yo, speaking of Did you Did you Did you hear about that? Black girls

don't give a [ __ ] He died, y'all. The white the white girl that killed the her

black boyfriend, she's not charged. She got off. She got off. Yeah. Yeah. M and

black was like, "See, that's what happened when you keep going vanilla ice cream, man. Park your own back with all

that jungle fever [ __ ] Your wife could take the argument places. You can't.

She will take it further. Take it further." Congratulations to

Congratulations and his wife. I don't see a long road, but shout to prenup mail. I'm down with you, Mel. Yeah.

Thank you. Mel said, "I got assets." Go ahead. I do. You know, Mel Mel old

enough to have some in that savings now. That's true. She got she got nothing. She got the She got the She got 1K.

She got some old [ __ ] Male got something. She got some [ __ ] And somebody might have left her a little

something. [ __ ] come steal male ho. You be one of

them young [ __ ] from the wrong. Hey, get her. You see my Instagram?

Wait, that's on the front page of my Hulu this morning. Uh, I've seen this story a million times already, but the

white guy who just caught women all around the world and thinking that he was their man. He got Oh, was it the

Dear John [ __ ] Yeah. But but it's a different one. Okay. Yeah. They know. Oh, okay. I watched one Netflix. It's

the same white dude. Yeah. It's the same dude. That's cool. That [ __ ] Why you think

you can't get spun? Meaning like a young man can't come into your life and get

you to trick on him. Let him let let you let him drive the car. You know, wait.

Trick tricking is different. Like you will No, no, wait. Giving gifts is

different from putting you in my [ __ ] will and putting you as the beneficiary

of my uh life insurance policy. That is a huge You be dropping you drop hours to

chill, girl. He dropped three hours just to go chill on the couch. Everybody know he does not

know [ __ ] all. He just let me go chill. [ __ ] off. Hey, you chilled

outside the crib. The Canadians get real mad. He didn't even go in the house. He chilled outside of the balcony. Shut up.

Anyhoos. Yeah. And that's still different from signing the diet. Very much so. Mel would definitely sign a

[ __ ] in a I it wouldn't it would it would never happen. The boy know you're a lover. You love Mel. You love you got

to stop doing that. It would never happen. Watch your mouth. The freaking frack.

What are you saying over there? I got another love. All right. Nobody want to say it. No. No. We're not with you at

all. I'm not going I'm with her, [ __ ] Spinning you like a Yeah. Why do you

What's that little What's that little game that I don't see that? I don't see that from

I think I think Mel is a romantic. Thank you. That's what I was trying to Maybe maybe even to a fault. And I think that

the right [ __ ] the right young [ __ ] start saying and doing the [ __ ] that you really been wanting. [ __ ] starts

spitting lyrics from Hey Ma. I never heard that. [ __ ] start

boy. I think Mel Mel's probably not that to a fault. Like that's probably why you're

not married now is cuz you've been too like defensive with [ __ ] on some level.

Yeah. And guess what? Yeah. Get him. Yeah, he's absolutely right. No, he's absolutely right. I had

I've had I've had I didn't think of it that way. What you just I've had an avoidant attachment style my whole [ __ ] life. What was that? What was

that right there? Heisman. Avoid accountability. You know you know them [ __ ] that move your hands. Never heard

that. No. Okay. I don't heard that. No, no, no. But Parks is absolutely right. I don't see Mel getting spun. Yo, for

real. Thank you, Mark. Yeah, you're absolutely right. I'm with y'all. No, I think I've known Mel for 15 years. I've

never seen her spend a dollar on anything. Like, damn. I I don't see there was that one time. That's what I'm

saying. Yeah. Right. With that one person, right? So, that's what I'm saying. Like, I can see Mel doing the emotional labor, but I don't see Mel

actually reaching in her pocket, giving somebody her credit card or signing. That's not what I'm That's not getting spun. That You ain't got to reach in

your pocket spun. I'm saying I don't see a sign of no paperwork neither for the same reason. I'm not talking about that. I'm talking about a young [ __ ] coming

into male life right now and taking her on a [ __ ] ride a ferris wheel, [ __ ]

Yes. It will happen and she will and he'll get some dollars out of her. You don't see giving up no bread. Telling you a wager. She ain't wired that way.

Oh, we can't do that. How we going to do Yeah. I'm sorry. That was crazy. We ain't going to talk about Mel's love

life. But we should be hyper focus like not when we're here. It was way

better when you weren't here. We was able to really hyper focus. Um let's talk about if homegirl ain't get woman's

intuition that night. [ __ ] M was in the [ __ ] blender already. That was a whole different kind of spot. Mel was in

the blender already. If homeg girl didn't get that feeling in her gut feeling late night trip, Mel was

already halfway halfway to the moon. She was twisting and the fans kicked my

ass for saying chicken got it done cuz it didn't. Okay. It did not. Okay. I say

I think nobody's hyper focus on your love. Okay. All right. Fine. Too much. Just know that when we hyperfocus,

we'd be sitting there. It wasn't a chicken. Yo, it was And on top of that, Mel, real quick, did you did you

come up with a decision? Mel was the first Door Dash. Ma'am, did you come up with a decision so we could talk about

what you know what we saw over the weekend or we should just Man, we we'll leave it alone. We We'll leave it We'll leave it cuz remember when Joe called

you? Yeah. No, it's Mhm. Mhm. Yeah. Cory, I think we got to put that mac and cheese I preheated. No, you was trying

to get to Man, look at me. You was trying to get to the bag. Rex racks. Yeah. The bag I ever [ __ ]

share. Can I But this is for everybody. How come How come when y'all do certain [ __ ] outside of here, we can't talk

about it? You can, but it's the way you do. You totally can. It's the way you do and like if you talk about a regular

like you don't hold no punches. Hey, I saw that [ __ ] you did, boy. Look at [ __ ] like you got to hold punches with

your friends because when it it takes when you on such a big broadcast and you're doing your own thing coming from

you who put us who hired us, we want to hear positivity, positive highlighter, not just and we

want to hear some praises. You do Wait, hold on. Let me finish, [ __ ] Before you take it further. We do like we do

like when you give praises, but when you not on that praise [ __ ] it it's a sting. It ain't even about the sting.

It's just a lot of [ __ ] hang on your every word. That's what So like you

called it negativity highlighter at one point even though that was a thing about that a specific instance, but you coming

out trashing something that somebody out here is working on could lead to a lot of [ __ ] It's facts. The same way you

coming out whether you not if you don't say nothing and it just do what it do fine. You coming out praising something that somebody working on could lead to a

lot of [ __ ] on the other side. But guys, your voice is dumb. You guys, you guys bear with me for a second. Work

with me. Yes, sir. I feel like we've had that talk before. We have. I received the message there. You have. That's not

what I'm saying. Okay. I'm saying if somebody outside of here do something that would indeed be classified as

nutty, we should be able to talk about it. I'm not talking about me creating a narrative off of something positive.

We didn't if I go outside what I meant neither. If I go leave here and bug out. Yeah. And if I come back in here, I'm

supposed to act like business as usual with nothing happening. Y'all like yo like my sleepwalk and [ __ ] I did not expect to come back to work and it not

be mentioned. Right. Even though that was beyond my control.

Yeah, that's I mean you live by example with that. Yeah. I mean you I wish but wouldn't that be stupid to come to work

in this workplace with the people in this workplace and say don't talk about

that. Yo don't talk about me sleepwalking y'all. And the sleepwalking didn't go public.

Well I talked about it before and it never went public. Before I talked about sleeping in a bed with somebody. Most

embarrassing thing in the universe. Like no this particular situation and how it unfolded. didn't go public then none of

us would have mentioned that. You get what I'm saying? Well, how would you know that unless you was in Norway?

It well it might have been something that we like we could have found out internally like let's say hypothetically

you were going through that internally and the world didn't know about it and never got How about let's try this a

different way. Gotcha. When Mel had published Yeah. about say that on a plot. Did she expect cuz she put it

public for nobody to say nothing? That's my question. Yes. For the second time. Yes. Well, that [ __ ] has so many views.

What are we talking about? No, it doesn't. Listen. Listen, Linda, don't. It doesn't matter. Moving right along.

That's right. Moving right along. Yo, really? We going to do this? Yes. I really don't know. Did you end the sale?

It's fine. Yes, it's fine. But what made you go back? Look at me. Look at me.

That's your brother. I think it's good to talk about I think it's good to put on so many audience cares

about put it in. Oh, okay. Hold on. I got to take What made you post that, bro? Let's You go to the kitchen. We

going to talk about your back. We We'll discuss it. She put the half off. That [ __ ] was $3.

I She said half off. Girl, you wasn't making 10. It wasn't 20. That [ __ ] was

$3. $2.99. I support creators. Creator prices. I'm

about to say this story. I support creators. We just had a conversation about you. I mean, I didn't shout the

big man. I'm not familiar with the story, but whatever she's doing, I support it fully. Be careful.

Extremely careful. As a content creator, I support it. Be careful. Yeah. So, Mel,

can you can you break it down for us just cuz I I'm not I'm not familiar with this. He doesn't want to We going to move on. Okay. Oh, if you don't want to talk about it. Okay. What is our next

order of business? Mel is the greatest. Let me set a timer. Yo, c can can y'all

Our next order of business is the mac and cheese that she's cooking. put in an oven. I just I put it in the You ain't

preheat. The oven was preheated. She about to put She about to put on How long do you cook it for? Mel put the

cheese on the bottom of the pan. Excuse me. It was No, I I just do I do a light

put the Mel puts cheese on the bottom of the pan. I do I do a light dusting.

Put cheese. How long How long does it cook for? It's cooking for like 35 minutes, but I'm I have to get up in

order to take the foil off in order to crisp the top. That's a convection oven. Hm. All right, never mind. This [ __ ]

about to be The answer is no. It's just a regular oven. That's convection. Do you normally make it in a regular oven? That expensive ass oven better be

convection. Let's see what happens. Ain't no [ __ ] over there. N. I may taste I may taste the mac and cheese

just to see. Just There we go. All right. Flip, will you taste it, too? No, I'm lactose intolerant. Okay. Okay. He's

such a liar. He's Come on, Flip. Let's just One bite. All right. Holy [ __ ]

[ __ ] And this is what happened. going to be wilding on that. You know what you did [ __ ] When you on that Sarra,

look at you, [ __ ] I just You talk popping champagne, you get a little different, [ __ ] You put your whole body in a seat. You good, dog? I'm

great. I just asked a question, man. Can we move on? Yes. Um, speaking of Diddy, there's been a lot of Kid Cuy talk. Yes,

sir. There's some There's a serious part and a not so serious part, but I guess the first part is the actual case. Uh,

Puff's lawyers want the Kid Cuddy testimony taken out. And as somebody who is appalled by Diddy and appalled by

this whole story, I feel bad, but they right. They're wrong. They're wrong. What is it based on? Well, you think

Diddy's lawyers are wrong? Yes. I think I think Why do they want Wait, hold on. Why do they want it removed? Okay. They

want Kid Cuy's testimony removed because they said it's all speculation. True. Okay. They they they he didn't actually

witness anything. How do you know Puff did came in your house and opened your gifts, locked the dog up? How do you

know he was the one behind whatever happened to your car? Some diabolics. Like you didn't see him. You have no proof it's him. This is exactly what his

team said. Okay. Um, Kid Cuy glasses on. He Right. I

know. Kid Cuddy's speculation about Combmes's involvement had minimal probitative value. Whereas the danger of

unfair prejudice, particularly since he was opening um since he was opening about ultimate issue as to which uh he

was the alleged victim, whether Combmes was guilty of arson or um one of the charged racketeering acts was great. I I

point during testimony, object to this [ __ ] Exactly. I've been in the court where it's

hearay, speculation, objection, objection, and they'll beat that whole [ __ ] argument up. Basically, kill him

on the cross. Yo, they allowed pictures to be shown of a car that got burnt up to influence the jewelry, [ __ ]

Who burnt your car? How you prove that I burnt your car? And in the conver in Cuy's testimony, he says he met with

Puff at some someh Soho house. He met with Puff there. They had a conversation and he was like, "Yo, but about my car."

Puff's response was, "What car? Yeah. So, even if I'm the lawyer, yo, my client didn't even know what the [ __ ] he

was talking about. Even though you talked to him, he didn't know. But then a couple of years ago, he uh he stated that him and Puff ran into each other

again and all that [ __ ] Yeah. And Puff was remorseful. Just said, "I'm sorry for all that [ __ ] He was [ __ ] my

hearay." Yeah. Like, dog, it's not hearsay. But, but I get your point. It It has It has limited value. It's not

hearay cuz he told him directly. He told him directly. It's not hearsay. When you saying, "Yo, he came in my my house and

did this to my car." What I mean, he unwrapped my gifts. He

turned my alarm off. He put my dog in the in the in the bathroom. You can't prove Puff did none of that [ __ ] or even

ordered it. Done. Maybe we I mean, behind closed doors, we might think that he did, but you can't prove that. Yeah.

No one proven it is two different. It's two totally different things. And you influenced the jury and you influenced the public by saying, "I did all these

things." But that's why I'm saying these lawyers are right. You No, they're wrong. They should have got should have did that. I think I think that's true

too. I think they [ __ ] up and I think Diddy has a a real argument for ineffective counsel which might be the

the backdoor strategy here. No Diddy intended. But but but but aside from the

back door strategy, you said theoretically it should be exact. I agree with you. Right. But I still think they have an argument that this should

be thrown out because ultimately I want as whatever I think of Diddy and I don't think much of Diddy, I still want

defendants in general to be have a fair trial. Yeah. have a fair trial and somebody bringing in some [ __ ] If if

Cuddy had said, "Look, Diddy told me he blurred it out." Yeah. Yeah, that's different. Then that's fine. But I'm like, he [ __ ] told you he what? I

don't know what you're talking about. I don't know what you're talking about. Which any reasonable person would say cuz you think they wearing a white course. Of course. So,

I understand why Diddy would want this thrown out is all I'm saying. And I I hate that it went down that way. And I

believe Cuy. I believe Cuddy 100%. I'm sure a bunch of people believe that this is the truth. Yeah. But what we believe

to be the truth and what you can prove is the truth are two totally different things. And I think that his his his

lawyers and him dropped the ball. He totally dropped the ball. But I think that but the thing that I keep is that strategy. Again, maybe they're trying to

prepare for ineffective counsel, some [ __ ] where like look, there was some [ __ ] here where clearly, you know, I

mean like like y'all say that. I don't view that that way. What do you think? Like with the whole ineffective counsel

thing because uh they didn't object object object while Kuy was up there. If if if you know someone uh I must say K

Cuddy is another star witness. All the reports I've read, that's how they reacted to it. If you know that all of

his testimony, you might have a chance to take it out. Maybe you let him go. Maybe that maybe that's a strategy.

Yeah, that's what I'm saying. But but for ineffective counsel this was so

obvious. I don't understand. I'm not saying that that happens for him to file for ineffective

counsel. saying if the council is great, maybe their strategy together is to let

all of that go and have all of it stricken. Oh, which I which is why I say I agree. I I see what you're saying now.

Yeah. And that's why I say I think they're right for making making this. I think it's and I agree with you that they're doing the right thing here. No,

let's keep it a buck though. The jury can't unhear what they heard. That's what I was about to say. And that's the hard part. The jury didn't hear what

they heard. I heard the [ __ ] right? And they already But the truth is they already heard that [ __ ] before they got to court. Yeah, but I ain't seen the

pictures of the car. None of us saw the pictures of I didn't know I knew about him blowing. I didn't know about the

Gibson and breaking in the house and all that other [ __ ] That's more diabolical than him blowing up my car. Yeah, that's

some cold blood [ __ ] He broke in my house. He disarmed the alarm and put my dog in the bathroom and unwrapped my

gifts. Not to be toxic. Not to be toxic. Talking about way scarier than a [ __ ] throwing a Molotov cocktail in your car.

Not to be toxic, but if my wife ever were to date somebody else, and I don't

know if she hears this part of the podcast, I'd like to think it's very deep enough. I I'd like Yeah, I hope so.

But I'd like to actually I would I may send this to her. Damn Marino when you I do

this. This is the level of petty and diabolical that I want aspire to be. I don't support anything Diddy has done,

but I understand the idea of tracking down if my particular if she were like cheating. Not so much like if she just

if we break up. If you break up, yeah, you you move on with your life. But if there's just another [ __ ] that's showing up or showing attention. Yeah. I

want to unwrap his gifts. His dog his dog going to go missing. You know what I mean? He may have a drop top that he

didn't buy. You know what I'm saying? Like am I alone in this? Flip. I know you understand. You've been married 19

19 more than 19 years. 17 years. Number one. Number two, you're you're not alone. But I'm not going to

elaborate. I learned how to edit myself. I ain't

going to elaborate. Park, you with me too, right? No.

No. I got to ask Ice. I already know. Ice ride with me. Yo, real quick though, how y'all feel about Thug calling Cuy a

rat? Call him a rat. What the [ __ ] He's a subpoenaed witness. H how how does how

does snitch culture overlap with this when you are subpoenaed by you have a federal [ __ ] subpoena. He's a

civilian that could couldn't remove himself from hip. I I stay with I stay with thug on this one. Yeah. Did he

freeze the kid? Shut up. What? Such a liar. On my on my mama. No, you don't.

He stated that position from the day he walked in. It's a federal subpoena. I

don't recall. And if you you don't got to give the testimony. I don't recall is what you say. Freeze. Did Kid Cuddy

remove himself from hip-hop? Huh? No, I I can't say. So there's rules. The industry rules and there's

rules that you You're asking the wrong [ __ ] over here. No, I'm just asking. Hold on. Hold on. Rule three. No, no. Where's the

hip-hop rule rules? You know, interesting talk here. I wish y'all were happy. I'm trying. Where's the hip-hop rule book that says It's not about You

said there's rules. It's an unspoken rule in hip-hop since before Eric B and Rock Kim. You're wrong. Unspoken rule.

Let me let you finish. Go ahead. Yeah. Where a lot back in the days a lot of people You talking about today or what

you talking about? We not back in the days. All right. What I'm saying is that we're you said where's the rules? The unspoken rules. Back in the days a lot

of the rappers hung out with street [ __ ] and they rapped about the [ __ ] that they were hanging out with and they

they embodied their lifestyle. I'm with you%. So what I'm saying is that that rule unspoken rule trickled down to

today. In hip-hop, you're not supposed to tell take a stand against what what street [ __ ] did hip did Kuyu align

himself with and rap about. He didn't do none of the stuff of the people that you talking about and he didn't come up that

way and back in the day he's not a part of none of that basketball you can only take two steps now. Now these [ __ ] take five and get to the bucket. It's a

whole different ball game. think that that the what you are correct and where you come from and where I may come from

and where Mark may come from that don't apply to other people in hip-hop.

Some of these [ __ ] didn't come from that. Some of these boys grew up in the suburbs and played with a Sano and

learned how to make their own beats and all that other [ __ ] and took a whole different This is why I understand. Listen, this is why if they said Kelsey

did that and Tori ain't snitch this I would attribute it to his father of hip hop. Can I and Mark and Mel have the

fight? Cuz I'm I'm I may be with Mel. I'm confused by your position. You can't be. I'm consistent with this. This is

what I'm saying. Cuddy has every legal right to do what he did. And I don't

know if I would use the word rat cuz I I like to reserve the word rat for people who commit crimes and then sell out the

person who they committed crimes with. Yeah. But I absolutely wouldn't do what Cuy did. You know what I mean? And which

is testify. Which is testify. I mean, the [ __ ] the [ __ ] opens your Christmas presents like like there's a way to

handle [ __ ] like that and that's not built to handle that and I don't respect that and and and thug doesn't respect

that. I'm not saying he doesn't have a right to do it and I think civilians should do civilian [ __ ] I'm just saying

and and I that's why I don't love the word rat. I think I would have used a different word to describe it. But yeah, but I would definitely criticize that

especially especially because Cuy was talking about I want to see that [ __ ] I want to fight that [ __ ] I told I met

up with that [ __ ] They had a talk about him hiding his dog and and and taking his his tonka truck. Like like

I'm super shocked by your position. That that [ __ ] I'm not said that the other day. I I say it all the time. Like you

got to take a you got to take a lane. Again, if you're a civilian, you do civilian [ __ ] fine. I feel like this podcast started with him expressing how

happy he was that some of the covert behavior is coming into the limelight. Right. Yeah. But I don't think all

covert behavior needs to be handled through the criminal legal system. I think there's a way to handle that. So,

would it be okay for for Kid Cuy to try and try and shake down Puff? You be would be fine with that part. I was

thinking of a different response to that. One that I wouldn't necessarily He saw Puff in the Soho House. He could have marry Fist. That's what I'm saying.

You stand You stand in front of him after saying you want to fight the [ __ ] In the event that somebody doesn't want to fight the person that

they may be afraid of, what do you suggest they do? One, don't say I want to fight the [ __ ] And two, I'm not ask

for deportion. And not just that, he let the [ __ ] [ __ ] was 2012. He let the [ __ ] go

for like he let it go. He got subpoenaed. It ain't like he walked up and said, "Hey, let me tell y'all

something about him." Yeah. He subpoenaed the [ __ ] I'm not calling what she said. And I'm shocked because in the in your

very first breath, you uh I don't want to say applaud the behavior from from Puff to Kid Cuddy,

but uh empathize with it and understand where that person is coming from and

could maybe identify if put in a similar situation. Yes. So, you want to be able to do all the things Puff did to Kid

Cuddy without the repercussion of the [ __ ] going to jail. I mean uh the [ __ ] uh putting forth the action to put you

in jail. Start from the premise. You're missing an important premise here which I don't necessarily think jail and prison is the way to resolve our he said

that. So I'm but I don't believe there shouldn't be consequences for behavior. Are you surprised because of you are you

surprised because of Mark L cuz you would you would understand what we're saying? Of course he has done the same [ __ ] Are you surprised cuz it's Mark

Lamont Hill? Is that what I'm saying? I'm surprised that a a man of your stature because I'm hearing I'm just

hearing different conflicting views and I'm saying it's consistent. If you really hear what I'm saying is consistent. I don't believe in jail and

prison. I believe in accountability. [ __ ] got to come from somewhere. Crusher. I'm I'm But it should only come from women. I'm not opposed to your I'm

saying men, women, whoever. I'm saying you're not saying there's no women involved in this. Okay. I'm not doing

this with I think you're missing my point. I'm saying I'm saying if you if Joe, if somebody blew your [ __ ] car,

you would not call the police. You'd go [ __ ] them up. I don't know that to be true. No, you won't. Okay, fair enough. I don't know that to be true. If you

did, let me All right, that's fair. If you did, I would not fault you for that. What if it's someone you can't [ __ ] up?

Then don't say I want to [ __ ] them up. What if you spoke about they can't [ __ ]

up? But but but to me, that's a contradiction. I'm done pointing out if a civilian does civilian [ __ ] I'm okay

with it. I'm a civilian. If I wouldn't call the police, but if I did, I don't think it's wrong to call the police. I'm not I'm not saying, I said, he's not a

rat. He didn't do rat [ __ ] This is civilian [ __ ] What's the remedy if someone does some [ __ ] to you and you can't [ __ ] them up in your system? Eat

that, right? I would I would I would need a specific example. It depend on what it is. Cuddy can't [ __ ] up Puff.

King Cuddy can't [ __ ] up Puff. No matter what he said to him on the phone. He quickly realized that after he said it.

He said, "Yo, I'm on my way. I'm on my way." Oh [ __ ] You know what? This [ __ ] here's here's my take on the situation.

Kid Cuy is a civilian here. Yes. He's not beholden to whatever, you know, rules and he does not think that way.

Also, this is I'm going to go out on a limb and say this is the first time he's ever had to do what this is. Testify um

in front of a in in front of open court, a federal case, having been subpoenaed.

What how the [ __ ] are you supposed to know what you're supposed to do, what you're supposed to say, what you're how how you're supposed to edit yourself,

audit what you're what you're saying. Yeah, he's just blah saying it all. I still want to know the remedy. Yeah. And

I'm not ignoring that question. I just I'm gonna circle back because I now I understand what you were asking about the just women thing, too. Let me be

clear. I never believe that the courts in the criminal system is the best way to handle things. I understand as a

practical matter that until we provide alternatives, people have to do that. So when someone steals your car or assaults

you or kidnaps you or molest, I'm not saying that you shouldn't. I don't say you snitch or you [ __ ] with the system. No, you have to use the best

tools that you have in front of you. I just don't think that that's the ideal system. And that's not for just women. That's for anybody, right? Um and

including Cuy. So again, I I don't say Cuddy is wrong for doing this, and I don't I definitely wouldn't say Cuddy's

a rat for doing it. I think we overuse the word rat and snitch. That's just not fair. That's just not fair. What I am

saying though is I don't play by those rules. And so I can empathize with why Thug would feel a way about somebody

doing that, especially if you put the option of [ __ ] him up on the table. Now, maybe I'm holding too much weight,

and I hear you. Maybe I'm putting too much weight on that. He could have just said and that might be fair because if

you don't if you don't mention [ __ ] him up then I have and you call the police cuz he blew up your car. I'd still be like damn you maybe he googled

like height weight saying you know what Mark said he stands by yo you go to

court and you say yo I don't recall what happened I don't remember but I'm still wondering what the I remember but Mark

also but I would take a civil option over that. Okay, that's what I'm saying because again like again it's not and that's not perfect for me but at least

then it fits my abolitionist principle which is you to you blew up my car. You need to restore me to what I lost.

Putting as I keep saying on the show putting somebody in a cage doesn't restore what you lost. Rap your gifts at Neas.

Yeahot what about the fact that like yo this [ __ ] could come in my house anytime he want. He just proved that to

me. Mhm. How you how you are a better one. I'm about to get a dog, but took

that to get a real dog. Get a real dog.

He a struggle putting that uh K coro. Yeah. No, not at all. At all.

Was there a reason why he said it? Like was there was there a question that provoked that response? Can we just wait

before you have an intelligent conversation? Let's just highlight. It's not the mark off the sat that diddy

juice got him. That's crazy. Crazy. It's just the idea of somebody

coming to your crib and opening your presents. That's where that's the [ __ ] trying to sing you a

message. Yeah. That's so disrespectful. Again, that [ __ ] remind me of what the rap. It remind me of um what happened

with NBA Young Boy out in Texas when Jay Princon was trying to holl at him. He was ignoring them, playing them out, and

then they went took his keys to his Rolls-Royce, took the umbrellas out just to show you, hey, we can get in here,

right? Like, it's just a message we send. We ain't [ __ ] nothing up, huh? Getting in the car versus getting The

car was in the garage. You got in my garage. You You showing me that I could get in here. I want to laugh, too,

because on my [ __ ] side, this is [ __ ] hilarious. It's just a lot going

on with uh celebrities being stalked. Yeah. You want to be mindful of before

you lend your last [ __ ] is getting a [ __ ] whole jewelry box. The whole safe running out. They running out with

the whole safe. Yeah. They killing people. [ __ ] Again, I always go back to Lady Gaga's dog sitter. Like, yeah, I

just seen it's just too much going on. They [ __ ] tracking the athletes away schedule and just they going crazy. So,

this is hilarious, but I understand how it's scary as [ __ ] on. I get that. I get

that. You be And for most people that pay their [ __ ] tax dollars that the

picture I heard about a picture that they took of y'all walking out the stadium. Y'all walking out the stadium.

You and your girl and y'all was they said they was y'all was hailing down so or something. Oh, yeah. That's scary, my [ __ ]

That somebody knows exactly what door you coming out. It's a celebrity door. They all know that door. They stand

there and just video everybody that come out. That's a slightly different situ situation. They catch anybody coming out

or going in anybody. Okay. And if there's one thing I can count on my driver for, being late, you get you

lined up is to not be right where I need him to be. You say that [ __ ] all the

time. My driver don't really understand on that celebrity stuff. No, he don't understand associated with it. Yeah. He

don't understand rush that too. There's a few things, you know. Think he picking up a a corporate dude. Yeah, he used to

driving them [ __ ] around. Yeah, it's different. No matter how many times you see me get my dick sucked back there, right?

He probably sees that too. They get their dick, too. Yeah, they are. They get they dick suck too.

Touche. Yeah, anyhoos. Anyhoos, the other thing

just um to close out the whole rat thing cuz you were saying it's it's it's uh

basically unwritten rules and all of this. One part that a lot of street people in particularly don't understand

is those on the other side don't really give a [ __ ] what y'all think. Yeah. And I'm not that a lot don't a lot

don't a lot don't play in that world. A lot don't really care about that world. It's that's y'all [ __ ] But a lot of

[ __ ] trying to emulate that world. Oh, absolutely. I wouldn't say him. No.

There's people that don't have anything to do with that that y'all try to hold these rules to and it's just it's unfair

to them. Thousand% I agree. Nothing about K Cuy ever said, "I'm trying to be a street [ __ ] I care

about streets. I'm anything street." Not even a little bit. People want to put street moves on bar that sound like

that. I think the whole is he a rat thing is a question that should never be commercialized. Like that question shouldn't be so mainstream. That's their

business. I think that question should never be from Thug given everything that you've been

through and how they just you shouldn't even you shouldn't be why participating in the conversation because he just to

Flip's point Doug sees the world as this. I'm talking about I am on a

ridiculous probation right now. Mhm. They are already looking for any reason

to [ __ ] with me. I don't want to talk about nothing. I hear what you're saying. That game, that that culture, I

don't want to talk about none of that. I hear what you're saying. It's so tempting. I hear what you're saying. I'm not disagreeing,

that's which is why I think he deleted it so fast.

Uh, but tease and peace. Tease and peace. Tease and peace indeed. The trial is ongoing, so we'll if anything else

happens, we'll keep you posted. You saw You saw Boing getting off scotfree. Yeah.

Keeps happening. See see with power. Mhm. Somebody explain it. Uh they're not

going to be able to be held liable for any of the uh accidents that have happened recently. Any anything? Yeah.

And they and they grilling them. Pay some money. They they found them. They found um evidence that they was cutting

corners on certain [ __ ] Mhm. And the the the CEO was in front of a

congressional hearing. He got a 40% raise, 35% raise. from last year. He's

at like 33 million a year, $32 million a year. And they basically saying, "So,

you could cut corners on building your planes, but you got a 40% uh pay increase." I wonder why you did that

because you lowered the the bottom line by taking the shortcuts, but they ain't going to hold them in no liability at

all. Yeah. Speaking of getting off, Donald Trump,

it's crazy. His children, all of you be mature like me, please. Donald Trump has

been pardoning a lot of people. He pardoned uh a sheriff in Virginia, your

home state, for um who had given 75.

That is his home. That's not my home state. He be trying to remix it when he tell his upbringing story. I was in DC.

I was in Bull. You was in the hickey Charlottesville, [ __ ] You was in

Sticksville, Virginia, [ __ ] We know where he I've never lived in Virginia in my life.

We know. We got it, buddy. What are you talking about? Anyway, there was a sheriff in Virginia named Scott Jenkins who got convicted of fraud. He was

literally selling um sheriff's deputy badges and sheriff's deputy status to

people. I think he made he made 75,000 cash. He clear a

whole 7. Oh, we have been in a small town. Yeah, exactly. He's in a small

town. Yo, give us all them what words. What he was selling him for? 250 and some Snickers. I don't know. That's what

I want to know. But he got convicted is the point. And they found a whole pattern of corruption in the department. He was convicted. Trump pardoned him two

days ago. Donald Trump pardoned a tax cheat. Somebody who had literally had a tax fraud conviction uh because he

attended uh or his mother attended a million dollar plate dinner. So Trump is very clearly saying if you if you pay

you're good. And the reason I'm bringing this up is because there's a lot of talk that uh uh George Floyd's killer

Derek Schovin is going to be next on the list. They're fight they're fighting for him to be but that don't that ain't

going to affect the state case though is it? It's not. But I'm wondering about just symbolically what it looks like if

they forget I mean does the country catch on fire again? Do [ __ ] get mad or are we at a point we don't we're over and we just accepted that the world is

over. I think they would do that if he were to in some way be released. But

because he still got them 20, was it 22 years state? He got crazy state time.

Yeah, he got he got crazy state time. So I think when people realize that it's like, okay, you did some [ __ ] [ __ ] but

you ain't let him out, right? You can't let him out. The other fear is that if and the governor out there ain't ain't

um this governor. Oh yeah. Yeah. Yeah. If you doing 22, you'll wait three. Yeah. Yeah. I didn't think about that.

You know what I'm saying? Because a lot of time the Fed thing is the thing you're most worried about. Like I can't get the president to do. You can get a governor to do just about anything. So

I'm just saying this country might be on fire again soon. I wouldn't be surprised if we see a whole lot of protest for

this because of all this pay to play stuff. It's going to let a lot of guilty people out. That [ __ ] said, "Yo, he giving away um you want to come in the

country?" 5 mil. [ __ ] they getting ready to do that show that we've been talking about, the show the immigrants.

Yeah. To you know, you got to be able to see who can who can last in order to get their uh citizenship. You know what I

mean? A few things while we're on uh this Law and Order segment. Uh how do you guys feel about the decision to try

Carmelo Anthony as an adult? I hate it. Carmelo Anthony uh is the young man that

Yeah. killed that white boy over there in Texas. And he's how old again?

He a minor. He's a He's a minor. So why would he be being charged as an adult? You know, a lot of times they say a lot

of times they do that. They do they do that so often when there's a brutal um murder. They say this is so heinous that

we're going to try a person as an adult, which I never agree with for all the reasons. I'm not even convinced you should try somebody 18. He's 18. Yeah.

Yeah. And I'm saying at 18, you have an option. But I'm saying we know how the the frontal cortex works. We know the brain isn't developed for another eight

years. I mean to try somebody at even 18 to me is is sketchy. So I think that's

that's another potential power. I was about to that's that's why I thought of it. I I could see America turning upside

down just with some of this legal [ __ ] coming up. I also wanted that. Go ahead. I wanted to have a conversation with

Mark Joe, but I didn't mean to interrupt. I'm sorry. No, it's just more law [ __ ] Yeah, I want to talk to him about the law and his stance. Mark, do

you think that you sort of giving the wrong message when you say that Yes. you're not for Oh,

okay. You're not for I know we talked about this before, but the more you elaborate on it, the

more it gets confusing. So people like me and other people, we look up to you

for advice and for you to take a look down to you uh for advice. Yeah.

Whatever. Or we, you know, we expect you to take a higher road and

just preach things that can help the society move forward. Yeah. But then

when you say that I don't believe in prison, I don't believe in jail. I believe that there's other ways that you handle things. The other way would be

would to me if you're explaining it to me would be violence. So then you'll still be promoting black-on-black

violence, even if that may not be a thing to you, or violence in a neighborhood that can also keep us

stagnant, if you understand. I feel that I I think that that position presumes

that there's only one solution, and that's violence. And I'm saying that there are other ways to resolve issues.

When I talk about abolition, the first thing I say is it's a long-term strategy. It's a long-term

vision. the it's about decarceration, getting people out of prison, but it's also about excarceration, stopping

things from having people go into prison. For example, most people who go in prison aren't there for violence. They're not there for child molestation.

They're not there for rape. They're not there for stalking, right? Most people are there for for for crimes of poverty,

for crimes, you know? So, for me, the first thing I would do is I say, well, why are we locking people up for gambling? Why are we locking people up

for prostitution? Do we really want prostitution to be illegal? Do we really, you know what I mean? Do we really want simple possession of these

drugs to be illegal? I can name a bunch of things that we probably could all agree shouldn't be illegal in the first place. So, I'm trying to stop people

from going in. I'm also trying to get people out. You know, locking people up for certain crimes to me, as opposed to work release, as opposed to suspended

sentences, as opposed to uh community service. There are things we could do to get people out. I'm not saying resolve

our problems. I'm not saying like somebody steals your TV, punch them in the face. Okay? Although that might be my natural inclination. I don't want to

make law based on my natural inclination. I would say if somebody steals my TV, how can I how can I how can they make me whole again? But the

but you're not you're not making it clear that there should be consequences. You're basically like putting a band-aid

over open wounds when you say, "Okay, just if somebody do something if you there should be consequences for your

actions." And where's the where's the deterrent to somebody else from stealing your TV because that for for a couple

folk, hey, I ain't going to go. We ain't I'm not going to break in that house because if we get caught, I know I might have to go sit up and do XYZ. I I think

that's the right question. I I think both of your questions are the right question. I think first the thing that stops people from I don't just want to

stop people from stealing TVs. I want to eliminate the desire to steal my TV. What makes people steal not steal my TV?

Jobs usually. Okay. I see. Opportunity access. You want to go to you want to go to the core. We got to get at the root. Got it. You know what I mean? And and to

me, those are the types of things. Now again, some [ __ ] just want to steal TVs. Mhm. Some people just want to commit assault. Some people just want to

do harm even when they're not poor or desperate. So I'm not pretending that the world can all be fixed through social programs, but most of it can be.

Usually when you get a lot of it. A lot of it. You know what I mean? When you get rid of I don't know about most. Yeah. I I say a lot. I'll take that.

Well, he just said a story the other day where somebody went through all the resources, went through all the social programming, came outside and did a

crime. We just all this stemmed from a very rich man doing some [ __ ] crazy heinous and/petty [ __ ] Right. So, one

could argue that we should reign in their wealth. Oh, I'm with you on that. Yeah. Which all my stuff is connecting

here. I'm saying, okay, I'm I'm I'm seeing what you're saying. All these even if people don't agree, they connect, right? So, I'm I'm not saying

people should be reckless out here. I I I'm halfway joking with the thug [ __ ] but in general, I even if I would do it

or you or you might do it or whoever might do it, but at the end of the day, I'm saying we got to change we got to change how things operate. So, that the

only our only options are be mad or lock somebody up. Those can't be the only or [ __ ] somebody up. Those can't be the

only choices. We got to come up with better choices and and and that's a whole different vision of the world and we got to do step by step. But in the

meantime, all we got is all we got. So that's why I say I don't get mad when people call the police when somebody stole their TV or their car. Cuz what

who else you going to call? But I hate the fact that if somebody steals my TV

or my car, the only person I can call is somebody with a gun as opposed to somebody who can actually solve this

problem for me. We got to change the way the world is laid out. That's all. That's all for me.

Man, you guys are like a pallet cleanser with these talks. I was I wasn't expecting Yeah, y'all. Come on, man.

Give it up. I just hate this [ __ ]

I just hate and the more I work here, the more I hate this [ __ ] I didn't expect that, but I like him more. My last law and order question for you

guys, the the uh escaped 11, how do we feel about uh the grandparents and some

of the people that are being charged with aiding and abetting a criminal for helping their for helping their kids?

I don't like it, but I I get it. Yeah, it is the it is. You know, I mean, I'm I'm a the law is the law, so I do

understand it. Yeah. If you escape, if you escape, would you put your grandmother in that position? You already goddamn right. Yeah, absolutely.

And grandma going to come through, too. Granny got to go hold her down. She No, but I wouldn't I wouldn't want Granny. I

wouldn't want her to go to jail. That's That's You contradicted the the what I just asked. I'm just saying. Are y'all

calling grandma for help when you get out? They say, "I'm calling grandma even if she go to jail." No, what we're

saying is even that person didn't think that grandma was going to go to jail over it. I'm not sure if he knew grandma

would go to jail for a fact that he would put her in that place. If you knew, would you still call You think the

guy that escaped don't know that the people that help him is probably going

No, a lot of people don't know that. They don't people don't know that. I don't know. I don't I don't know prison jail rules. I don't know. Harboring a

fugitive and abetting. Yeah, that's a basic one. Like those are Yeah, that's not the white collar crimes. I think

that [ __ ] be selfish and they in survival mode. Was there any plausible deniability here that he was like, "Hey,

I got out." And she was like, "Oh, baby, you're home." And she didn't know that he escaped

until people watch Channel 12 News religiously and they see plausible deniability. My TV was stolen.

Put your hands behind your back, man. Yes. Yeah. Plausible. Why you put your hands behind

your back? You know we going to deny you know we going to deny Nana your bell you know

too cuz cuz my grandmother said this quite a few times like some of them old folks think they ain't going to get into

trouble. Yeah they are. They think like yo I'm old. They ain't going you know if if if they come to me or whatever if if

I have a problem because of this it's going to be something like they don't think they going to jail over that. My grandmother said quite a few things and

we like mom they going to lock your ass up. Boy I'm 83. They ain't going. They will take your think about me. Yeah. Put

the gun back. [ __ ] No. Yeah. All right. That's it for my law and order segment. I don't have

any other questions about stories that may depress each and every one of us. I'm done. Okay. They're down to two.

And listen, as far as predictions, I'm about four for four, five for five with

some of the [ __ ] that's been going on this year, but I can't say it yet. Uh I predicted that Studface would be the

last one. A lot of people said a lot of people like Stuntface that he was the um one of the ones that like orchestrated

the whole [ __ ] See, I don't know. I didn't I didn't read that. I read that Stuntface. Yeah,

he had a plan. And I read something that contradicted whatever I reported last week about his murders being revenge

murder for the cop that killed his grandmother. I don't know what's true and what's not true. I just know that the dude that looked like a stud in the

face, that was everybody. That was a lot of people had him picked as the favorite to last. Some of these [ __ ] didn't uh

Some of these [ __ ] didn't make it out of uh New Orleans. Listen, a video just dropped of one of the You can tell who

had no grandma to help. A video just dropped of one of the two of them who wasn't getting no money on the street. A [ __ ] just did a video that he just

dropped a video uh I don't know if antagonizing him, but just like dropped a social media video. One of the [ __ ]

that's currently out right now. Yeah. Oh, in the pool. Yeah. Yeah. when he jumped in the pool. I ain't I ain't went

been swimming in 19 years. Yeah, he had fresh braids. Yeah, he just Don't worry, he next. That's how we know Stuntface

going to win. Cuz the other [ __ ] doing [ __ ] like that. Mhm. Stuntface. You ain't heard a word. Not a Hey, let me

stop calling him that in case he in Jersey. Hey, [ __ ] might have caught a

greyhound. Might have caught a greyhound. Heard that [ __ ] I just don't know his name, but y'all know who I'm talking about. Stud face. Uh, all right.

What else? What else? What else is there from now on? important unimportant unless he in front of me. Uh hey, what

else needs our undivided attention? Like that helps anything ever. Did any of y'all watch the AMAs?

Do we not care about the anime? Is that just an award show we don't give a [ __ ] about? I don't I don't They don't even

announce when it's coming or anything like that. Since Michael Jackson. All right, fine. Michael Jackson. Did

anybody here catch any of them Beyonce shows? She I'm going tomorrow. Oh, okay. My girl went on tear. My girl went Yeah.

Five or six [ __ ] shows over there. How long was the show? Do you remember? No. Okay.

You You should brace yourself. Yes. I'm trying to figure out how much I got to I heard it was lengthy pause. Yeah. I

heard they went um she didn't get back home madly. I don't know. Okay. But she

said it was dope. You know when

is Okay. Well, your confidence is up there, my [ __ ] Did you you got the you

got her location on your on your um Samsung? You just know that she went there directly. I just want to make I know confident [ __ ] you just too

confident for that [ __ ] I'll be worried. You was worried about what? Who did she go with? Dooo. No, one of my

home girls. Oh, okay. Had a watch. Had a watch. Had

a watch. Okay. Smart man. I thought you fell. I thought you fell off for a minute. Smart man. Yeah. I thought you

did the right thing like you did the right thing. You a smart [ __ ] I thought you fell off, [ __ ] What you back with the jump off? You was getting

updates all night. Yeah. What she doing right now? Yeah. She just went to the concession stand. I woke with her. It

was a ransom, but now she was respect. She held it down. She held you down. You know what I mean? She said she had man

her boyfriend. I wish I would. We all We all not all like that. But you have you

have to worry about if your girl is outside, you get it necessary about your girl. No, no, no, no, no, no. But if you

putting your home girl with your girl, I didn't do that. That was their own thing. Just happened to happen. Hey, you

know what? She free tonight. I hit it off. Hey, thank God doing me. You smart [ __ ] I forgot. You could take the

hustle. You could take the [ __ ] out the hustle, but you can't take the hustle out the [ __ ] So stupid. That [ __ ] scram. Last thing on my mind, bro. You

stupid. Crazy. He couldn't knock if he bucked though. The home girl wasn't there. What he was going to do? Nothing

crazy. That's what I'm saying. She came in when the [ __ ] she came in. That [ __ ] should do 90,000%. Yeah. Yeah. You going to be over there

on your side of the bed. Smack ass baby. Sweet wife. Smack himy.

Bow. She going to put the baby to sleep and sit right on the porch like the wife already got in there on the porch. He

going to do his legs like this. It's in there snoring up and snoring. She put the blanket over. Look at my baby cold.

Look at my baby. Forgot to put the blanket over. Man, look at her. But you got to understand she coming at 4:30.

[ __ ] our brothers were not crazy. Our brother, you know, he always got a plan. So he like, "Yo, you came in 4:30. So

now I can be out till 6:30." My baby. Damn. My baby left the TV on again. Look at my baby watching [ __ ] Martin

rerun. Yeah. He's so cute, man. Let me get in bed. Let me shower first, though.

Let me get in the shower first. Tell the tell you in the shower. Yo, yo,

you like Yo, you mad sleepy. But you got in the shower first. [ __ ] girl can't walk in after a long night out and take

a shower. No, that's crazy. You can't do that. No, that you can't do what? Sorry,

buddy. No. Sorry. What's the time, Joe? Like, what's the time for you? Like Oh,

I get shocked when she out. Okay. I get shocked when she leave the house.

Oh, [ __ ] You found something to do, a wait till you get the jersey.

That's when you get That's where you get the app. You get the app. Forgot my password. Got some new

friends. I forgot my password. You're so stupid. But she was showing me that on her car, [ __ ] buy car, well, let me

not speak for [ __ ] I buy cars and just be happy that the car drive. She buy cars and take advantage of all that

come with. So she pull up some [ __ ] that say Journey and you Journey tell Freeze.

Yo, he freezes never be that game. Anyway,

she pulled some [ __ ] up called Journey to show you where you could see everywhere that the car went.

What? And you feel good? No, cuz I'm never going to do that. I don't I'm not going to use none of the capabilities

that come with No, but she show you smart toilet got a speaker. I don't know. I'm just living the virtue. I ain't going to hold you. It took me two

years to figure out how to open the back moon roof. My [ __ ] got two roofs. The second one I still What I'm saying is

she come to you. Ben's giving you a little app. I don't know how to do none of that [ __ ] I love the little freeze.

You know how to use the journey app? I don't have it for my vehicles. That's not what I asked you guys. So, you do

know how to use that Journey app. Your freeze don't say nothing. Well, don't don't

insinuate nothing. Freeze is not the one. Don't insinuate nothing. One to two, [ __ ] Oh, [ __ ]

Hey, girl. Where you was at? You was at like nails done down there, huh?

Who that? Who that? Who that? Who that? Who that? You was in Patter, huh? Who

the [ __ ] you know? Yeah. Patteradison girl.

So anyway, hopefully I answered your question, Mark. When my girl move up here, I'm on my freeze [ __ ] It's a free

[ __ ] man. Time to freeze. What's the free [ __ ] Freeze. It's a

free [ __ ] No, no, no. I'm Listen, I'm I'm down. No, I'm not down. All right.

Well, I'mma be on what we assume to be free [ __ ] There you go. There you go. I'mma be on that. There you go. Yeah.

You can assume it. I got a real funny I got a funny story. I'm saving my pie wise. It's so funny. I got two. How

crazy is that? It's funny. No, no, we got two. I ain't get to have the beef about it uh to my girl's face. We was

too busy beefing about all the beef she had racked up with me. So, oh, we were so in love with then by the time we

finished with all of her beefs, I was too exhausted to get to your to say what

the [ __ ] I had a problem with. So, now my [ __ ] just in the talk chilling. So, and now we great. So, you can't bring it

up. Exact opposite. Wait, tell me. Because you know what we talked about

that that whole situation up there? She was like, "Oh, see I ain't I had some [ __ ] I could have got off, but I forgot

because I was busy defending this." But next time you got to have a

new but next time though. I was like no we ain't got to do all that. We good. We good. Now yeah I got one if if you get

free cuz I about to ask y this if you getting checked on something right and you have to explain explain. Do you end up do you are you a one that tune out?

Do you tune her out and just let her talk and or do you address every single thing she's saying? Like say the

argument go for an hour. You mean does he actively listen while she's talking? Yeah. I'm just asking. I was not that

was a good reframing right there. No, she said totally different. Girl, you got no relation. Don't make no face. Who

actively listen to you tune you up? She tunes me out. Yes,

tune cuz I asked that because even tune out though. Even when I watch Joe, right, Joe, he addresses a lot of

things. So, I want to know if he does that. Does he get does he tie himself out or does he has like I'm going to address this, I'm going to address that.

If she's accused you of something, I say shout come to you with five things. Are you addressing all five or at one point

do you like man all right I'm done with this conversation addressing anything that my girl got want to discuss. See but I don't call that addressing [ __ ] I

got a whole list that I keep inside that don't never get addressed. But so I respond I I respond to whatever

the beat. Don't get tired out. [ __ ] ladies can argue for hours. Boy, you'll know when I'm tired cuz I'll start

agreeing. Oh god. You'll know exactly when checked out. You know what? I

understand. Totally right. You know what come with that though. Now you just agreeing to shut me up. Well, that's

true. Yeah. A&M.

Yeah. She going to know how. But you can't say it though. She going to know where I stand on the matter when I do it again in a few weeks.

She going to know that I didn't fully I didn't hear I didn't really agree with her. Look, listen. Her troubleshooting

method. Listen. The other day when Shotti was here, right? The other day bro said we was talking [ __ ] and Joe

was just talking. He would look that direction. Joe would look that direction like this. I got yo if I could just be

in that [ __ ] mind for a minute now. He would just look the direction like he would every time he would say what I saw

myself going overboard and I'm going overboard sitting there. So that's my check and balance. Yeah. I I love that.

Let me look over. Yeah. No, you're right. Yeah. Mhm. I said I said I said I

said a lot. I do the same with my wife. She understands that nonverbal communication in the name of content.

She let me get my [ __ ] on. She'll let me get my [ __ ] Same thing with Linky. I do. I give her that look. Now, if I want

to go overboard, I just stare at her, [ __ ] Like, and still say it like, "Yeah, but it's better to just chill."

That's why it's funny. Now, listen. I wrote down here, "Fucking stepdad love is different from real dad love." Oh,

man. I wrote it. Just had you got you got streamer university over there, too.

I wasn't going to touch on nothing from the topic cuz it's just funny and ignorant. But like I really enjoyed we

did the like I said we did the football camp [ __ ] Yeah. And he was having a blast up here like just on some New York

[ __ ] Let's run around. I want to see the pod. I want to He was dope. Dope. He

having a blast. And I'm having a blast. But it's stepdad blast, which means at

some point you got to get the [ __ ] Yo, Joe, don't do it. Pass the baton. Like

what? Joe ain't got to go home. Listen, Joe. Joe, don't do it. Say it. I love

you. I'm also the dude that folds mom up. Mhm. Like

you never mind. That's the conversation you can't actually have. You can't you stupid

[ __ ] No, you did not. No, no. Hey, real dad might not think about

nothing like that, right? Stepdad though at the end of the [ __ ] All right. Got

something to do now. I'm so That is so immature, right? But

whatever. That look good. Shout out to kids. Shout out to him. I also had another question I wanted to ask y'all.

What's up? cuz I've been um This [ __ ] is nuts. I got a real real Yeah, well

I'm nuts and I'm right. Um I got a real real real good home girl. I got a real

good home girl. One of my good good good good platonic home

girls and I recently I seen some I'm see recently she made a relationship

Instagram like a couple. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Now,

before she made it, you know, you could see your good good girlfriend kind of

going off the deep end. Mhm. And I'm not saying that like it's a bad thing. They super in love. Well, from what I'm

seeing. Yeah, of course. That's the output. So, I hit her. I said, "Not the

relationship, I don't care. You know, I'm a fy bitch." And she said, "And Tik

Tok." And I tap my girl.

So my question to y'all is what do you do when you see your good

good friend start a relationship Instagram and Tik Tok page at the same

time. Exactly what you just did. I laugh about it with my mind about it and wait for it to end. That's it. That [ __ ] set

the timer. You know, wait for her to start posting inspirational quotes in about 3 months. Coach Kino, you got Kino

over there. She got to be all the time. That's why you just said no. Melissa Ford, no. I

just said no. I just said, "No." What are you doing? Last [ __ ] for the last hour. When we was talking, she got up.

He was giving tips and [ __ ] No, he was not. I was watching. Listen, look, Mel, you are a piece of

[ __ ] Whoa. For real? Cuz when you going to stop? No. He Listen, we have a whole

plan going on over there, right? Wow. You cook just now. The plan is you

cook. It's been cooking. He's watch. He It's on broil right now just to crisp

the top door. I can smell when you going to have to open the door, too. No. And that don't lie. It smells good in here.

I'm going to have to open that door is what I'm saying. Why? Cuz it's smoky up in here. It's not going to be smoky.

Yes, it is. We've cooked things here before you cook before. Here before? Oh [ __ ] I'll be I'll be No, I have not put

this in here. It's fine. We'll get to it. It's done. Thank you. See, these are all

Can we see how that [ __ ] look? Can we taste it on there? Absolutely. Cut a little piece so we can taste. Let it Let it just sit for a second. No, we ain't

got to let it sit. Let it sit for a second. It's hot as [ __ ] Are there any while Kino prepares Mel's mac and cheese

for us to try on? That's crazy, man. I ain't going to hold you. Yo, for the last hour, I was wondering what y'all

was talking about. I just said the nigga's giving streamer university.

Listen, I just got a little seasoning. I listen. Wait, he seasoned it. I I saw I'm pulling something out of lies and

treachery will get you nowhere. Okay. No, she caught Kino and asked him to come over here. I about to say yeah. Let

him talk. Let a woman talk. Kino has cooked in here before. Can we all acknowledge that? No. Yes, he cooks. He

He's cooked in here. Yeah. This is my first time use You know that, Kino. Have

you ever cooked in here? He's never cooked in here. You and your girl they brought food over here

already. There was and there was heating up and I I've never used Joe's dad is the only one that cooks. God, I have

never used this oven before. So you on the oven? I have never used this. I'll

get a chef to come in. Oh, we got it, girl. She know how to turn the oven on.

I'll get to help you. All right, but not enough peep out of you till we taste this. Fine. I wanted to pause for sure.

Okay. Yeah. Let's let's let's see what's going on. All right. Carry on. Y'all [ __ ] get lit early. Yo, y'all too.

Them [ __ ] is lit. Y'all good? I'm fine. Look, she's be following the lead ass [ __ ] Mark got away with it. You

may go get myself a drink. Girl, I hope you professional. I have a whole nickname up here devoted to that before

he got here. Thank you very much. Say no more. All right. Is there anything else that needs our undivided attention? No.

Absol has put something out. It's more of the battle. It's dense. It's good. It's dense. I'm going to

listen to it, but I'm not rushing to the battle anymore. Do I have to like you need all your brain? That's what I'm

saying. I mean, I like Absol, but some of his music you have to really complicate thoughtful. It's great. You

just you guys sit with it. I'm just over the battle. At least on this level of uh attention or I'll catch up to it at some

point. If Absol responds like he did, I want to hear it. Um, also for the Oh, go

ahead. Go ahead. Uh, Locks did uh one of the Red Bull things like how the [ __ ] started. Okay. Curious to see that. Oh,

that's going to be nice. Yeah. Um, for the doc lovers out there, uh, the Pee-Wee Herman doc on Max is great. Out.

Yeah. Woo. It's great. Two parts. Both pretty lengthy. Pause. Uh, but it's

really, really, really good. And I'm learning a lot about PeeWee Herman. I didn't know. Like I didn't know that that was an

adult show before it was a children show. I had no idea. I was a kid. Oh, I thought you talking about where he got caught. They didn't get to that part

yet. Where where I'm at? No, it was it was No, he was he was caught in a

theater at an adult theater. Yeah, an adult theater. I'm talking about his origin being an adult show. That's what

I mean. Yeah, but that was funny. No, it wasn't even really trying to be funny. It's factual cuz a lot of people I think

we've even maybe made jokes up here that imply that he was nasty on some child

porn [ __ ] Child porn [ __ ] or something like that. He was jerking off at a jerkoff theater. Like that was so sad.

And he was closeted, I think. Like it was it was I know something wrong with me. I'd be on the jerk offer side. We're

all on the jerk offer side here. Yeah. With the PBK. What's Homeboy? The the little short uh

comedian dude. Sorry. Aziz. I think he was a his story was kind of like uh the

one we spoke about earlier actually. Okay. I don't think it was a jerk off. I think it was a [ __ ] story.

at the crib after date. Yeah. Got it. Got it. Um, your man uh Jared Carmichael

is back with a new special on uh

HBO. Which one? Not reality show special. Stand up. I like stand up.

Stand up. Yeah. A good stand up. I do like horrible, but I do miss when he was too much for me. I missed when he was in

the show. Definitely was a lot of moments where it was too much, but there were some parts that were very dope. And that's why I know when I watched that show I was like I'm not as progressive

as I think I am. That was one of the moments where I was like I just the content didn't do it for me. Yeah. I didn't I didn't go back to it. I loved

it. I saw I saw the genius in it. I just by like episode I think I made it to like three episodes. I was just like

this ain't for me. But the stand up I thought was amazing. I missed when he was in the closet. Like

I said that's yo y'all just let that [ __ ] say that will man stepped over my just

talking with with gibberish. But yeah. Yeah. He should he should go back.

Did you watch anybody that should go back in the closet or something? Did you watch it? Lock the door. No. Okay. But when I went to watch the PB Herman [ __ ]

his trailer started and they showed the preview beforehand and I couldn't find a remote

so I couldn't skip it fast enough. But I'm saying that to say it seems like since he has come out, every single

piece of content is about him coming out. I get it. And as somebody that didn't know that about him before, I

just thought he did a masterful job of just being a comic, being a comedian. Yeah. Now every single thing is centered

around I'm gay. My sexuality. This is when my dad found out I was gay. This is how it is to be gay and anti-gay and

it's just too much gay since he's been gay.

Maybe I know it sounds [ __ ] up. I'm standing in what I'm saying. I get what you're saying. It could it could be some

intent to it. Like I'm I'm playing to a certain market maybe. I'm sure I'm sure it's all intentional. He ain't doing nothing of it by mistake. Right. Just

have at it. I'm just not rushing to you. I mean, I'm going to check this new one because he still his his standup

specials have been been pretty good. Well, you a P Valley fan. I am a P Valley fan even though I'm done with

that show too though. And you make cereal pouring pouring the milk first. Wow. What?

You pour the milk first then the cereal after. [ __ ] you measuring the cup perfectly.

I saw him do it. No, I don't. I saw him do it. He was just lying just do that. I

didn't even know you insult you. The laundry out here.

Yo, why is it such a big insult that you pour your milk first when you make that how you make cereal? Best bump. But if you did that before, there's nothing

wrong with it. I ain't knew that [ __ ] before. De put her on front street. We going to put her right on it. Let's go.

I mean, I made it on I prepared it on live. [ __ ] it. We're doing it. We're doing it. Cory's still doing it like he

with his bunky. Yeah. Jail [ __ ] Tell this [ __ ] ain't surf. Oh god. Look how rough he is with the

joint. Look. He don't give a [ __ ] He has a bath mat. He have a bath. Putting the mac and

cheese on the bath mat. Sick. What the? Don't look bad. I got a little crisp to

it. I got a little crisp because I did the boil. My girl just text me how was the Mac. Let me get a little video to send

to her. I got finally getting this mac and cheese after 3 years. We here.

Okay, off a quick break. We all have now tried Mel's mac and cheese. Hey, Mel,

why were you trying to coersse him when he kept saying no? H I I wasn't trying to exert control. I

I just wanted to have a you know, I just wanted to get a full panel of, you know,

of opinions. Well, we all ate, so we I I even tasted a small piece. One, two, three. That was the third time you've eaten mac and cheese in your whole life.

I don't understand that. I just don't like mac and cheese. And this didn't change. I'll say this.

I mean, this didn't convert me, but it didn't make me feel any worse. I thought that it taste it tasted I could

definitely taste the noodles. Um, that's one. And I detected the cheese. So, it was it was definitely mac

and cheese. Thank you. Um, I And again, I haven't had a lot of mac and cheese. You needed to get like in there. I I I

was up in there. But I

remember y'all grow up. I'm talking about mac and cheese and only mac and cheese. That's a euphemism.

That's a Was that a Oh, you know what it is? I didn't even think about that. Yeah. Well, no. I I tasted the dish and

um I thought I need a little I expected again my memory of mac and

cheese might be off. I just remembered it having more seasoning. Yes. More

what's the word? Flavor. So, today is uh WP. So, today on a hot and bothered I um

I do plug everything today. I'm doing I'm doing an episode on um men's heart health. So, I intentionally let the

cheese be the saltiness. I'd put salt in there and pepper and paprika and Yeah.

But yeah, I thought it was pretty good. Thank you. I'm a mac and cheese person. I had low

expectations going in. I know you did. Did they meet them? I had Yeah, it exceeded them. It exceeded them. I was

ready to kill it. It exceeded my expectations. I told you, I was ready to kill it. Big M. Thank you. Thank you.

Thank you guys. I am winning today. Yeah, it wasn't bad.

And you know the last time I made mac and cheese? 2016. Yesterday.

We saw our life. Yeah, that that's the second time I made it. Ain't your life? No, not my life. No, the last time I

made it was at Thanksgiving 2016. More cheese. Next time I need a lot more cheese. Yes, like a lot more. If you saw

my live, I was like I Yeah, practically dislocated. I saw your live. Don't step on me joking about your shoulder being

broke. That's the joke I'm about to make. Uh that's why you need a [ __ ] to get that that good grading going over

there. Well, Kino says that I need an electric one. So, you know, I saw you just struggling with gravy and cheese.

Next time, a lot more cheese and some seasonings. But overall, you exceeded my expectations. Shout out to you, man.

Mine as well. This tastes like when the cousin on your the other side of the family you don't really [ __ ] with die

and you got to go to that funeral. N this this feels like when like your niece or something shows up with a plate

for the first time and she helped. Yeah, she Oh [ __ ] that was pretty good. Good.

When your vegan niece Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Vegan. It's not like the cousin

that give you the speech before you eat it. Like listen y'all. Okay. Okay. I did not put a lot of salt in this because I

want us all to be healthy. But heart health. Yeah. But it was good. It's good. Thank you. It was like good. Whoever made this, you can tell they

never worked at Waffle House. You're absolutely right. I have never held a job at Waffle House. Cigarette in

their mouth flipping pancakes back there with three teeth. Yeah. Yeah. That [ __ ] got 99 waffles cooking in a

row, [ __ ] Smoking pan be halfway dirty. That cigarette ain't falling at all. That dirt when I pan make it taste

better for sure. Yeah. Whoever made this, this is like when you could tell that they fired the chef at Costos.

You done? All right. Okay. Thank you. I appreciate you all for trying it. I appreciate I appreciate you for bringing

it. Thank you. Okay. Thank you. And then we'll leave you alone. Our cake money. Thank you. I appreciate that.

Eight of what? Let's keep it sleepers. Yay. Sleepers time. Woohoo.

Don't you don't have to treat her like when she first got investigate. Stop the hate campaign.

Eight though. Eight is a lot. Oh well, he got them other taste buds. You had like he probably taste flavors in that

[ __ ] that we had elbow. The mouth flavor explosion.

Yeah, he tasted differently than we did. Boy, I love you, son. That's tast

different. I taste. So, what is it? What is it? The purple. You didn't even taste. You know what I'm talking about, my man. How you think? Okay. How much

butter did you use? A lot. I Yeah, you saw it. I tasted butter. I was making I

made it was a buttery one. It was a lot of It was very buttery. No, it was butter. A lot of just not as cheesy or or or season. Now, if it was called mac

and butter's like cheese, then you ate similar. They're distant customs.

and sour cream. They're all similar. They're all similar. This nigga's an idiot, y'all. And more sour cream next time or any binder. So, who's up next?

Is Lamb Chops, right? Is that was that the the next bet? Lamb Chops? Yes.

What happened? Yo, y'all seem I just don't think it'll happen. Well, we think Mac and Cheese I made mac and cheese

happen. Well, Parks and Kino have both been talking about the lamb chops. They keep they parks, you got it. He said it.

Give them a grill. I just want a grill. That's all Parks has been saying. Done. Can we make a date for that? Let's

set a date. Two weeks from now. Does that work? Sure. Two weeks from now. Done. We've done this 99 times. We got

sleepers. I I want to do this for people that are eventually going to do it, which I don't know that Parks or Kino

will at this point, but they both make a great lamb shop. I'm surprised that Mel did it, but Well, she said set it off. You and Eman got to do that spaghetti

off now that y'all been talking about. I'm down for that. Yeah, y'all been talking. Let's do that. I could eat that. That I'm definitely down for. You

eat spaghetti? I do. There we go. That's it. Good vibes, good mac and cheese,

good energy for sure. That mac and cheese will help the congestion for sure. What's popping this week? Anything interesting? See Beyonce tonight. That's

about it. Hey, should be a good time. Hopefully going to go see uh see um

Tank. Yeah. Okay. At Hell's Kitchen. His run ends uh June 1st, so I want to catch

him. Oh [ __ ] Oh [ __ ] I got to catch him too before June 1st for sure. Mhm. Uh, other than that,

[ __ ] May moving like like she got somewhere to be. May moving. May is gone. May left already. Thank God.

Talking about [ __ ] packed. Waving on the U-Haul. N was moving my ass. I need to get May got the [ __ ] out of here, boy.

Good. I can't believe that we we in June, man. Well, you got two kids birthdays and

Mother's Day all in the same month. All within the same week and a half. You got it. Well, and if you're going to honor

all of it, then Yeah. Yeah. I can imagine that hitting hard. Y'all listen man. Keep us in your

prayers. Lord knows we need to be there. Until the next time we bid you ad do farewell.

Adio vista arvois. So longer by or simple headn will suffice. Remember life

is a series of moments and moments pass. So let's make this one last as if it's all we have. And lastly it go. The

baddies are insecure. The stagnant women want to travel. And the close-minded women want you to teach them things.

Grab you a Tylenol. You might need it. Y'all holding down this week. Hopefully everybody had a really good Memorial Day

weekend. We back to work. We back to the grind. We back on our Grizzly again. Shout out to all the kids prepping for a

prom out there. Shout out to all the parents out there. All the happy couples out there and the couples that hate each

other, the miserable ones. We love each and every one of y'all, man. It's about that time. Yeah. About time. You'll

start seeing it. Yeah. You'll see the signs. You'll see the signs around the house. Trust me, my boy. And that's it,

man. Thoughts and prayers to everybody out there. Y'all hold it down. Shout out to the subgroups, the Patronis out

there. We'll be back this weekend, same time, same place. Hey, wait a minute. Again, shout

out to Kais with the whole streaming university thing. We love that. Loved it. We absolutely love that. Keep

killing. [Music]

[Laughter] [Music]

for daddy. JBP JBP. Where would you be without the JBP?

Who is that?

Neutral button. [Music]