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Enjoy the show. Oh, look. Look, look. She taking my toys. She got my toys. She She trying to calm myself down. She's

stressed. All right. No, this is the protect my peace

episode. I am protecting my peace. I know that's right. Now, let me put the headphones on so I can hear any and all

slight subs and shots. This episode got

I don't know. But no, I ain't going to be no shots this episode. I just want to protect everybody in a good mood. Little fireworks in the fourth. Nah, another

JVP. Nah, I think everybody in a good mood. I think so. Yeah. All right. Y all looking like y

got somewhere to be. Y can we have fun today? Y [ __ ] old and grumpy. You got your new shoes on. You like you got

somewhere to be, too. Got it. Got it. It's true. [ __ ] get so new

they got to show it real quick. They not new. But I mean I mean you know not new

to us. There we go. There you go. Many things are new to you guys. I know. Um,

407 times already. You know what I'm saying? Freeze. You just said we was going to

have a nice time. We said we was going to have a good time and your very next statement, you leave me dead in the

street. No, you sp I said [ __ ] looking like they got somewhere to be. And then

you everybody, you could have just let it go. That's true. I'm wrong. There we

go. Accountability. It's just a new thing. I'm trying. Accountability.

Hey, I'm about to change the pod game cuz nobody does it. No one admits

they're wrong. Nobody does it in podcast world. I'm about to change it up. You know what, Freeze? I'm wrong. My man

[ __ ] don't even sound right on the bottom. Yo, if a [ __ ] keep being wrong, what

the [ __ ] I want to listen to him about? Or at least admitting to being wrong? Whatever. Double down on the wrong.

Yeah, I want to hear that guy. I ain't going to hold you. Mel, when was

the last time you were wrong? Um, about five minutes ago,

Big M. Five minutes ago. What happened five minutes ago, girl? 5 minutes ago. Um, I did not know that Flip was already

here. So, I started talking [ __ ] about how he does what he wants and he was out

there on the balcony. You know, the sad part about that and I said I was sorry. I don't care about that. Sorry. The sad

part about that whole thing is that I It's like I'm like a slave to you.

Like I come out, I defend you. I I you know, especially behind the scenes, I'm

I champion for you. And when you're not here, when you wasn't here, I'm like, "Yo, man. What's up with Mel?" I pull

[ __ ] to the side where my sister at. And as soon as you think I'm just sitting right there minding my business, talking to my tax guy or the phone and I

walk in, you in the midst of kicking my back, ma'am. Sorry, I was wrong.

I don't accept. She was wrong. Okay. Well, I mean, you don't have to. Okay. You don't have to. I just I did an it

was an outward acknowledgement of me being wrong and apologizing, but you do not have to accept that is your

prerogative. Thank you, ma'am. Mhm. Hey, Ish. When was the last time you were

wrong? Why is this such a funny question? Cuz

he's not going to answer it. Yo yo yo.

This is the year for you. I'm telling you. Hey. Hey. What if piece of the world is round?

This little thing that you do. What? Trying to think of the last time I was wrong. Yeah. This Yeah.

I don't know. It's act like every question is some [ __ ] Neil Degrass. N got

instead. That's what I do, right? It's cool. Did you come up with it? No, I'm trying to

think. It's probably a while ago. Damn, this is tough. He unrolled. Yeah, smart [ __ ]

right here. All you got to do is say yes. Hey Joe, you stumped me with that. Damn me wrong.

I look about 92, third grade. Nah, I was right all 92.

Damn, it's escaping me. You can't figure it out in no area in

your life. Oh yeah, I'm sure a million. And just before we cut the mics on, we was having to talk where

Oh, when I said that I uh we can't talk about that one, though.

Yeah. Yeah, that's too wrong. Yeah, you can forgetting in real time. We just just We'll talk about it later.

I thought just talking about the topic that I gave Mel to put on the board. Well, that turned out to be fake.

the 37 plastic surgery joint. Yeah.

We've all been gotten by Cox horses. Well, that's different from you than us.

We don't Let me be Let me be respectful. Go ahead. That's a crime. I know. I shut

That's a crime that you're doing. I shut up instantly. Okay. Mel draw little crime loop. Crime trap. She throwing out

crime. And I grab it every time. You got to hop over them [ __ ]

Last time. Freeze. Last time was wrong. Freeze. Uh, I was wrong the other day. I said some [ __ ] that just wasn't right.

That's all. I can't go into detail. I was wrong. Big wrong. My bad, babe. He was right. Oh, one of those. That's the

worst to your girl. And you got acknowledge. But when he knew you was right though in the moment,

it is. You lucky you ain't got none of those. Thank God. I know. I get them sometimes.

Just ain't I can't remember nothing that happened in a while. I tell you one thing, I better not see

you on another podcast. If I see you on the podcast the rest of

this year, we thumping. I ain't going to hold you. I ain't going to hold you. I'm just tell you what it is. All it's like,

let my let my foot get well. Oh my lord. Before you still off on me, [ __ ] I don't care if it's kids.

All them [ __ ] you be doing. The Prom Boys. Prom boys podcast. Yo, cuz he'll

do anybody that I'll do anybody. That [ __ ] the plant store pod.

Oh [ __ ] Y my uncle used to be a planter. You know I always had a green thumb.

Green. Green pod. Oh man. All right. [ __ ] What episode is this? Uh 840.

I don't know. We've been killing the eights. I a flying right through these [ __ ] Age's been kind of fire. Yeah.

Um, we'll confirm. We'll confirm. I was I said it a second ago. Oh,

I'm not I was wrong. I was wrong. I was wrong. Uh, welcome to episode 840 of the

Joe Button podcast brought to you by powered by Fueled by Prize Pigs. Prize Pig Gang. I'm your humble, grateful,

gracious yada yada yada. It's a holiday [ __ ] I'm in vacay mode. You know who I am. I said it enough. I'm here. The gang

is here. Mel is here. Flip is here. Is here. Ice is here. Parks is here. Po is here. Cory is here. Erikson is here. I

think I saw a Ke and Ian. Uh I think Savon and Tanner are working today. I wouldn't know. I need to check up on

who's working in. I believe they are. Huh? I believe they are. I got a couple contractors ain't spoke to me in about a year and a half. I'mma call you [ __ ]

I'm I'mma check up on that house. Them [ __ ] down here just doing what the [ __ ] they want to do.

Flip told you to have a grill out here. What's up? Y. Thank you. Uh, there is no grill out there as you

guys can see. Well, it's supposed to be flip. We can Amazon one real quick. Probably had to get quick

right over. I thought about the grill, but you guys kept making it seem like y'all wanted to be in and out of here and like y'all had things to do. So,

okay. I wasn't going to go for like a day. Oh, so you wanted to be lit all day. And we'll get into you, Miss Miss

Molly. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Definitely want to be lit all [ __ ] day. Between breaks. I could have had burger.

It's like the New Year's of uh the summer. Damn. I'm sorry I let you guys down a

little bit. An excuse to eat like [ __ ] drink a lot. That's right. You know, get [ __ ] up. Well, you can make it up to

us later on. That's all. All right. We believe in you. Mhm. Okay. We'll see. Okay. All

right. We'll see. You guys all right? We good. Good, man. I'm good. Good. Excited about excited about the fourth, man.

That's it. You know, you're trying to be efficient. trying to be you know that dead excited that dead ass

[ __ ] you be letting slide like when we get quiet none today I'mma talk instantly as soon as we get quiet yeah

everybody up you going to break out [ __ ] be getting quiet like this no y'all got y'all got four plans yeah

family see family today we going to have some cookouts later yeah cookout Mhm. I

want to end up on a rooftop somewhere. That's my my New York tradition on the fourth. End up some rooftop eating and

drinking watching the fireworks. Nice. And you're in Queens. Yeah. So they

outside. That's cool. Yeah. I don't have anything planned. I ain't doing [ __ ] Nothing at

all. In the grave. You're not doing nothing at all. No. Nothing planned. You going outside? I'm sure someone going to

hit you at some point during the poke cooking out. Oh, we'll see. We'll see. If not, it's

fine. I stayed out mad late the other night. Came home like 4:30. Oh, you was outside. Outside. What you doing, boy?

Yeah. Yeah. What you doing, G? You back. I'm happy. You back like that. Oh [ __ ]

What you doing, boy? He's so stupid. 4:30. My girl was tired.

You turned your location off. [ __ ] that girl, man. You turn the location. You put this [ __ ] on airplane mode. Airplane

mode. Is that the 4:30 son? [ __ ] it. [ __ ] it.

Yeah. How that combo next day? YOLO. How that combo go the next day though? What combo? Oh, got it. Is it the next day

about what? I hear you. Yeah. Did she hit you? I forgot the mic on. I'll ask. No, she did. She hit you. We go. She was

wrong. Yeah. Taiwan. That's a lot of questions. But don't nobody want their partner out having fun

and coming in. Not until that's too much fun. That's too much fun. And if that's out of character for

you, then what was going on that night? That to mean you want to have Good joke. So, does she hit you in real

time? Like you got home at 4:30. And I don't think it Wait. Oh, I don't want my my Don't intimidate yourself. I I don't

want to start so early with my views on things, but if you in a relationship, I don't really see why you coming in at 5

in the morning, 4 in the morning. Agreed. Yeah. I just don't think it's wise. It don't really not wise. It's not

wise for sure. Really not wise if your name ain't on the lease, too.

I told I told I try to pull that same move, man. Lock me changed out this

morning. Yeah. My wife My wife told me like if I come home 5:00, she woke up in

the middle of the night and can't go back to sleep concerned like like Yo, dog. Yo yo, can we wake that up? Can we

wake that up? Steve, you got work. I'm good. I'm okay. Yo, she up all night.

She talk about some Yo, yo, I text you as I must have been having fun. Yeah,

[Applause] I was having a remote. Listen, my phone was lost that [ __ ]

Strippers had to help me find where y'all see my phone.

This girl will find a reason to be awake if I'm out. Yeah. Oh, you you know my

stomach was hurting. Yeah. Oh, you know I ain't got a bad migraine and they start to feel [ __ ] My period. That

girl's got all this. They do. All of this [ __ ] I had a dream. Just so happened that it happened today. Yeah.

They just won't say, "Yo, I'm up because you out and I'm on my stalking shit." And that [ __ ] made me mad. Yeah. Yeah. I

agree. I told my wife the same [ __ ] Like, girl, enough. You going to go to work and then on top of that, you going to blame me. I'm out handling business.

You're going to blame me that while you're tired at work, go to sleep. Take a Tylenol OPM.

Go to sleep. It works. Those work. Yeah. This [ __ ] you know, I have been having trouble sleeping for weeks. I And

I know you ain't buy no melatonin either. Magnesium. You got that sequel

right there. Magnesium. Get it done. Spray it on the feet. You know the crazy about it though if it was the other way around. I was about to say my wife stay

out [ __ ] till 11:30 p.m. You got kids girl. You got kids. You out

at 11:30. Where are you? You got children now. J is big. I start making

[ __ ] up. We need some food in the house.

Nico had a nightmare. Where were you? You out 11 ho.

Don't you act like a lady. Have some [ __ ] selfrespect for yourself and you representing me. Yeah,

got to pour it on. That's the one right there. This [ __ ] will not go to bed. And if she go to bed, uh, her

little piss alarm clock is set to when I should be leaving the strip club. Oh, you know, you know, you notice the time

I get up to girl. Yeah, girls got that, too. When they

when they sneaking around doing some [ __ ] Oh, who's my pen? Now you was up. You was up doing that [ __ ]

You know what you be doing? Peeking. Women's intuition. Wasn't being peacu

I looked at my girl dead in the middle of an argument one time and was like, I'mma check the cameras and see what

you're doing when I'm sleep. And then they weren't working no more. Right.

Mysterious power outage. [ __ ] cameras is broken. No. Then she was offended. I said something like that to her and then

I took a walk and felt bad that I said something like that. Then I apologize. You're wrong. I was wrong. Wait, hold

on. I was wrong. Wait, I said that too. What's wrong about that? You can't say that to your [ __ ] partner. They're

not going outside. I'm just talking about if you're going through my phone. You That's what I'm That was That was That's what I was saying. That's not

rude. You can't We can't If you ain't got no legal to go through somebody's phone. That's number one. Number two,

it's not rude to say, "Hey, yo, there's some things missing. This was here." Some things were moved around and when I

fell asleep it things are not in this place. You cannot tell your partner that

you are checking the camera system to see what they're doing while you sleep and think that you going to have a good

week is all I'm saying. True. But I do I I prefer for you to be honest with me. Yo, hey, while you were sleeping, I went

through this and I did this and I did that. I would prefer that. Oh god. If you don't do that, that means you lied or you omitted. Yes. So then I'mma do

the same thing. I play a game like that, boy. I don't care. Okay. So, like

question for the married guys. Sure. It's only one park. Are you talking to him? Talk to the white guy. Well, no. I

want to ask both of you. But there's some pretty close to married guys. No, no, no. She said the married guys. The man guys

I can't speak to that. I've never been married. I've only proposed. It's a different level of commitment. Proposed

twice, boy. It's a different level. I'm trying to downplay proposals. I'm saying different. Okay. So, um, what's the

question? Like, I can't. You got to body your next proposal. You You set the

You're going to have to skydive off of something like, you know, in front of her with a parachute on your knee. Got

to. No, I'm I'm going just leave the proposal in my phone one day.

Under a girl name. That's fine. It's a good one. That's fire. That's good. There we go. Text with text with

Jessica. That's fire. Yo, that's funny. That is what you got, babe. That is

funny, man. What you going to ask, man? I was going to ask like as as married men or like in a you know, in a

marriage, is your phone off limits to your partner? We don't do that. Play that game. So, she can pick up your

phone whenever she wants. I mean, I let her pick up my phone if she's snooping. We don't snoop through each other's phones, but like I'll pass her the phone

to look some [ __ ] up or if her phone's dead or whatever, whatever. I'm not paranoid about my phone. Okay. Okay. I

do I do the same thing. I just But we don't speak to each other [ __ ] That's Yeah. I don't like my wife even when she

picks up like like she doesn't like to go if I tell her to go get my wallet, she doesn't go into my pants to get my wallet. She Same thing with like purses

and all that. She brings my pants to me. I don't know what's that's about. I

don't know if I don't know where that came from, but she does that. Yeah, that [ __ ] Go through the cash app. All

right, so what advice do you give to people in relationships? Yo, I ain't going to lie, [ __ ] in relationships,

let me tell you right now. Yo, I'm going to talk to the fellas. Yo, go through her phone, gang. And when you go through

a phone, really go through that [ __ ] Go through the cash app. Go through the zel history. Go through the Bluetooth. See

how many [ __ ] she been in cars with. If you see BMW 10,

you know, it's a problem. I'm telling you, go through the deleted messages. Go

through the Uber Eats, the addresses in the Uber Eats. Clean that [ __ ] out. Uber

Eats. I'm telling you, I'mma save you. I'm saving [ __ ] money and saving [ __ ] happiness, bro. I swear to God.

Like, I'm really giving it to [ __ ] Like, I'm really showing y'all how to get it right. Go through that phone, G.

You see? Instant everything. What about mother? What about for the females? Yo,

for the females, yo, just trust him. Look, if he black, he don't cheat. Black

men don't cheat, by the way. So, if he black, yo, he not cheating. Just trust him. Just listen to what he say. Don't

talk over him. Never talk over your ladies, if y'all out there, don't talk over your [ __ ] Don't do it. All right.

And listen, saying sorry cost $0 and 0. Yo, having accountability cost $0.

Yo, giving a [ __ ] head cost $0, lady. Yeah, that part too kind of cooked a

little bit. Hopefully that was able to help. It was super helpful. What's up? What's up?

What's up, y'all? Y'all running from it. What's up? We not running from it, you know. I was I was I was there real time.

You in JL? I was there in real time. I went, you know, I was in the overflow room, man. You spray baby oil on you? N

never, never, never. But the puff trial, the puff verdict. Yeah. Puff verdict came down, man. Um

the biggest charge, the Rico charge, he was found not guilty. Mhm. Right. Rico and sex trafficking. Found not guilty.

Yep. And then what was he found guilty on? Um the transportation for the purpose of prostitution. Mhm. Your

we call that one. Yeah, he did. Yeah, he did. How do we feel? Well, wait. First,

describe what was the energy in the overflow. Okay. So when he when when we saw some footage outside the courtroom when the verdict came down outside

erupted I mean they went crazy. Uh the people were hugging each other. Some

people were crying. I didn't know what was going on. That's what I saw outside. And also when I arrived they were having

a baby oil off like pouring baby oil on each other and dancing. This guy named

So they did that before the verdict got no the the verdict came down and they started to do that. Gotcha. Gotcha.

Okay. Um and then the next Was there a Walgreens close by or did they just come straight? They brought that. They brought that. Yeah. Yeah.

You know. Um and you didn't No, I'm not. Come on, Parks. I'm not Queens. I'm not

throwing no baby oil, man. That's not helping. I'm Queens Flip. I'm not doing

it. I I also represent the JBP. That's true. So, I'm not going out there throwing baby oil on my body and doing

that. You know what I'm saying? But yeah, that's what that's what I saw when I got there. Then my mom took me inside

and um yeah, when he got denied bail,

the the overflow room was like, "Oh, they were so Put the baby oil back down." Yeah, they was angry. They was

angry. Well, how do how do we feel about the verdict? How do we feel about the decision made

by a jury of his peers? I think that's right. I feel like justice was served. I

can say that now. Um, I feel like, you know, based off the evidence and stuff like that, based off of the facts that

they presented, um, it wasn't a RICO charge. When he got charged with a man act, you know, man act started with Jack

Johnson, the boxer from back in the days. Um, I feel like justice was served. I feel like we all can identify

the type of person he is when it comes to him being in a relationship, but I just feel like some people are into freaky [ __ ] and some people are

complicit into freaky [ __ ] and it becomes it's a gray area. is a gray line

when it comes to wanting to do it and wanting not to do it this time. And I just feel like based

off of the evidence, justice was served. I think that even if they were able to prove it in some factual ways, I like

that it seems like the intent of the law was taken into taken into account here. Mhm. And I don't think the intent of the

law was to go after a horny individual,

even if he may be an abusive monster, manipulative, all that [ __ ] Like I don't think that that was the purpose of

that law or the sex trafficking law was not to fly prostitutes. And even if on paper

it may be dead to rights, that ain't what it was. That's not what it was intended for. Thought of it like that.

Yeah, that I was actually shocked, be honest. Um, I just thought that I'm actually shouts

to the jury for actually being able to follow the definition of the law because

I figured that the the video that was shown, the

testimony, like they were trying to paint, they basically were trying him for being a piece of [ __ ] Yeah. And

we know what we hear about the feds. So, I'm thinking, damn, they might actually they they got him. Mhm. Cuz they do have

him at being a piece of [ __ ] And you know, you could taint somebody's

uh viewpoint of you, the facts really don't matter after that, but they stuck to the facts and the facts justified

these charges. So, salute.

Um, I think I think the opposite of uh I

think everybody has points and I never considered your point with the intent. I think that the intent um is different

than the factual basis, right? So, I is like they they they followed the law. They didn't follow the law. If they

would have followed the quote unquote letter of the law, he would have got convicted. I think that they did look at

the nuance of the situation, right? and and look at the intent and that's why he got um exonerated for the trafficking

charges. I don't think the Rico would have ever stuck cuz I don't think Puff was operating a criminal enterprise

around sex trafficking, right? You understand what I'm saying? Like the Abbery and Fitch [ __ ] they got them [ __ ] dead to rights. Like, yo, you

flying people out for the purpose of selling ass to other people, right, commercially, right? Puff wasn't doing

that. You understand what I'm saying? So, the RICO thing I don't think would have ever stuck. Um, I think that it was

a gray area with regards to the sex trafficking piece. And again, we've read the charges up here several times. We

don't have to do that. But, um, I think that that the the jury did find a gray area. And I also think the jury took

into account the nuance of hip hop or wealthy men or whatever the case may be

and how their lifestyles are. You know what I'm saying? And I think they that justice was served. Um, his sentencing

will determine if the extent of the justice, but I think that the they got it right cuz there's no mandatory

minimum. Let's get the sentencing separately. Yeah. Mel, how you feeling, Dr.

I just think that, you know, for the defense, all they had to do was just was

hope for a reasonable doubt. And there just was a lot. for the jury to be listening to this. And there's a juror

who's already making the rounds, you know, um the alternate juror or the juror. Um the alternate juror. I saw

alternate juror. He was already Yeah, he's already talking. He was basically saying that, you know, they watched

video of the freakoffs and he's his word that he used was it was kind of tame and all they did was kind of like pet each

other or whatever, whatever words he used. Sound like a Molly party to me. Yeah, that's kind of what he made it

seem like. and preset prosecution and defense chose different pieces of the freakoff video to present. So he's he's

saying in both that we saw it was pretty tame. Yeah. I mean like when it comes to it look like consensual. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. That's what he said. Yeah. When it comes to court cases, it's theater. Like it's theater. Who presents the best set

of, you know, who creates the best storyline and who presents the facts in a way in which the jury is convinced

without a without reasonable doubt. And unfortunat that wasn't done here. You know, there was just too much gray area

with um you know, contradictory testimony. Um and so there's just so

much nuance when it comes to what people understand about abuse and coercion.

There's just not enough understanding to to be able to make a decision based

around that. You know, there's some people who can look at this and say these women were victims or these people

were victims. And there's other people that don't believe that at all. And then that right there is the gray area of

which we speak. And that right there is where I could see the jury walking in there and saying there's too much

reasonable doubt here to convict on those particular charges.

to see how um this all plays into like the celebrity boogeyman. Um that's the other thing too trope, you know, which

probably started with like the pizza gate and all that [ __ ] Yeah. Like we now have like footage of one of the

biggest celebrity boogeymen that we've seen and he was acquitted on it. You know what I mean? Like I feel like

celebrities I certainly get not feeling sorry for them, but I think it's also weird to just automatically assume, oh,

he's rich and famous. she's doing super nefarious [ __ ] Well, the the the

opposite could actually be said, you know, because um let's take um LA County. Every time that they um that

they the celebrity goes on trial for some heinous act, um Robert Blake um

Robert Blakeley, was that his name? Um don't worry about it. OJ Simpson. Robert Blake. Yeah, cuz it was Bonnie Lee

Bakeley. That was his um that was his wife that was uh that was murdered. Um,

Phil Spectre was the first celebrity trial where a guilty verdict was um was

issued in like 40 years. So, for the most part, celebrities tend to get off.

Mhm. You know, there's just that that that wow factor of watching celebrities

on and also buying into who they are, you know, like in the case of like Puff,

he's created like the soundtrack to our lives. And so there's that kind of

connection that we feel with them that will, you know, that might sway our decision making, you know, right? Um,

so yeah, that's just that was just my thoughts on it. And another thing, this this would have set a crazy president.

Yeah, for sure. Like had he been found guilty of sex trafficking, Rico,

the entertainment, just a wealthy person business would have been flipped upside

down. It would open the floodgates. It would open floodgates. Even just like slightly rich people like Yeah. Yeah. There's a

lot of people that engage in something that could be considered sex trafficking if this were to be set as a precedent.

That's true. What you going to say, Joe? Um, no. To Parks' boogeyman trope

question, I wanted to say to uh I saw on YouTube to who has been covering this

trial. Uh, in my words, I'll call it kicking Puff's back in for for a while

now. Okay. Uh, one of Puff's people saw Toré outside of the courthouse. Uh, they

filmed it because Tori wanted to film it and he said, "Yo, I spoke to Puff. He said, "No hard feelings. I I wish you

well. No hard feelings. I understand it journalism, but I'm not focused on yesterday. We focused on moving forward

and progress and yada yada yada." So, they did that. It's on YouTube to see. Uh, just to speak to what his state of

mind may be currently. Puffs. Yeah, Puffs. I'd still get a garage. Yeah, I

saw a toy, too. I'd still get a garage if I were

just Uber. You can't do that. You can't do that. I think I think to Ray would be the way farther down the list. You know

what I'm saying? But I think uh if in my opinion I I thought of

something with regards to uh the jury selection and I think that when the jury was

initially announced and the demographic breakdown of the jury, I thought that

we thought that wouldn't serve Puff well. I think to the contrary, it served

him well. I think that um the fact that cuz I think how many of

them were white? nine of them, right? That may be true. I think it was I think it was nine initially and then uh they

kicked one of the black people off and then init and after it was 10 regardless

majority white it was a majority white jewelry. Um I think when we first heard the breakdown we were like damn he's

[ __ ] he's screwed. I think it played the total opposite. I think that um

we look at certain things um because we are again connected a lot

of us are from the urban areas all that [ __ ] and how this stuff goes. I think a lot of times those older white people

might look at a lot of things black and white and I'm not talking about racially black and white just black and white

down the middle. And I think that when you start to see that um Cassie reached

out to him after she was with the dude, right? I think that played against them. You know what I'm saying? Because now it

almost looks like, yo, this is consensual. This is this. If she has a new boyfriend, why would she dare reach out to him and I think they started to

look at that [ __ ] and it opened up the the the gray spectrum even wider. It was already gray, but I think some of those

things like that um opened it up even even wider. I think a lot of people are also just freaky and like can kind of

rel relate. Like if I had a billion dollars, I'd be having sex parties, too. I'm talking about the control [ __ ] and

the coercion and all of that stuff. It's like, yo, dog, if you're being controlled and you got away from them,

then why would you want to go back to a freakoff? You get what I'm saying? Or uh again, I I go back to Yeah, it's it's

clear. I'm sorry. It's clear people people didn't see her as a victim. They

didn't. They saw her as an accomplice, a participant, an accomplice, a volunteer,

a girlfriend, just someone who, you know, and you got to be careful with, again, real life and the internet.

Anytime somebody said that on the internet here, y'all came with your [ __ ] with your [ __ ] pitchfork

signs and pitchforks ready to kill somebody and stab somebody. Well, I think it's I think it's fair to also say

that she was a victim obviously of domestic violence. We saw it was not maybe a victim

they were trying to tie that if we we see how she was a victim of domestic violence. So all of this is true as

well. But the problem with that is when it comes to domestic violence and it

comes to staying in long-term relationships where there is a history

of domestic violence. That's where the that's where the asteric of coercion

comes in because people who stay in long-term domestic violence rel you know

in violent relationships they have learned to um pacify the person that

they're with because they know they are on under the constant threat of violence. And so when they understand

how to make that person happy and their happiness means equals their safety. Mhm. Then they're going to continue to

do the things that this person wants to do whether they want to. Exactly. And and then you know this also brings up

the you know the whole idea of why do people stay or why primarily women? Why

do women stay in abusive relationships? There was a lot of stuff that came up themes that came up in this trial that

people don't have enough information about. there's or they have very specific opinions about and that's it.

And I think I think that worked against the prosecutors. I feel like I feel like a lot of old school people or older people, they're not into the new phrases

and new, you know, they agreed. It's one way. Well, some of these new phrases just piggy back the blame in a weird

way. It's like, but absolving someone of accountability entirely even when that's

not fair. Even with your even what I said I said yo after they broke up after they left. So while you're there cool

you might be doing whatever you got to do right because you are again under

constant threat of physical harm or emotional harm or

financial harm. You got away from this situation and now we have you

on text saying yo let's get together. So I I think in that just in itself, it's

hard for somebody to now look at you like a victim. And it wasn't just Cassie with that point, right? Like everybody

that they called to the stand to say to say, "Hey, he's abusive or I witnessed

this or I was around for this." Uh they fired right back the defense with did

you work for him again? Did you call him again? Did you reach out again? Were you paid by him again? Like, so it wasn't

just Cassie, it was everybody that they brought up there to tell the story, there was another story. So now to the

average juror, if it comes down to this, if he's this bad, why you keep trying to be around him? You're not a victim.

You're a viol. That's it. That's it. Now you Why you keep coming back if he's this bad? So now I don't believe that

he's this bad. Mhm. Or at Well, and again, listen, it's that

again, they showed the jury these these sex tapes. Like we said, [ __ ] got eyes

like Yeah. Especially if they saying, "Yo, we watched in here ain't that bad. So you you you told us about freak offs

forever. We finally see one. It wasn't that bad." Or we see one where you are voluntarily like, "No, smack that thing,

do that." It's like, "Yo, dog, were you really being like I'm I'm not going to say that uh

people need a better understanding of coercion just because the jury found what they found. I think they saw enough

to say or conclude the way y'all wasn't coerced. Yeah. Like that part that part

I don't think is that deep. I don't know why the feds would try to seem like they loaded up on charges that they just

wasn't able to prove. Yeah, they overshot for sure. And I think that they did that in hopes that he would play out. Absolutely. Yo, we going to stack

the deck right here. We going to give you 59 charges. We know 47 of them is [ __ ] but we trying to scare your

dumb ass into taking seven years. But see, now I'm mad at how y'all showed up to my home.

That's all part of I'm mad about how y'all treated my children. Bro, we started off saying this is all theater.

Yeah. Every No, it was theater. But some of us, me being one of them, thought

that, hey, the feds have a 90% yada yada yada, and if they're showing up this way, it's for a reason. They look like

they know what they looking for. They're being rather come unless they got you. They're being rather aggressive. So, I

mean, it wasn't just psych. Yeah. It wasn't just psychological for for Puff.

It was psychological for the viewing audience as well, which is all part of the plan, which is all cuz again,

everybody says, "Yo dog, the feds don't come unless they got you dead." The rights.

Even from the hood, that's our understanding of how they move. That's why a lot of us were sitting there

saying they got them. Yeah. before we did a plan, we came away with some [ __ ] baby oil and that was this the

the stick the entire time like and we kept waiting for them to add and the average person don't have enough money

to fight them. You got to think about that too. Like dog their percentage rate is high but most people don't have

enough money to really go to war with them dog if they bail. That's

psychological. Certainly not legit money. Most people facing Fed cases may have a lot of money, but that [ __ ] is

and oh, not just that. A lot of that [ __ ] they'll seize your assets, so you can't fight them effectively. Yeah, dog.

Y'all pulled me away from the streets, my family, my businesses. We're going to break you psychologically by having you

sit in MDC. Y'all drain me of my money. I sat there for a year. Like, I would be

living. We just saw this with the thug case where his lawyer was like, I can

beat them, but we had No, what I'm saying is what I'm saying is we saw Thug

say, "Yo, I'm going to take the plea because at this point, I just want to go home now." Yeah. You see what I'm

saying? They They stack the deck against you. Exactly. So, they stack the deck against you just to say, "Yo, take this

plea." They knew they ain't having one. Can he Can he sue Can he sue somebody?

Who he going to sue? How? I don't [ __ ] know. You got found guilty. I'm about to say you didn't you wasn't acquitted on everything. Got found

guilty. You maybe could sue somebody. I'm not sure who, but it seems like you can civily. I think even what they found

me guilty of. Who you going to sue civily? The feds look the feds look stupid saying we got you on

prostitution. You know how stupid the feds look? When do the feds come meddling in Yeah. Pro?

Yeah. You You know what my issue? Prostitution. You know what my issue is though is a bigger issue is that they

called that man a sex trafficker. And now I start see when this happened on with I start to believe the other [ __ ]

that was being said. Like there was a reason why all of this happened. Yeah. Now now if this is all y'all really had

and y'all stack the deck to look like all of this. Okay. There was a real reason y'all. Bro, there were a bunch of

rumors floating around. Like it's a ton of deeper reasoning why they're saying that this took place. Yo, my my issue

with this whole thing though is that people making it seem like Puff's victory is a shot at victims. And I

really have a problem with that. I don't think that with the victory takes anything away from victims, but some

people are complicit in what they do. And I feel like that gray line needs to be it needs to be explained and explored

more. um if if you have the tapes and seeing the actions and the text

messages, not saying somebody can't be a victim in that time, but they try to loop everyone up, victims up into one

big circle and one big pot, and it shouldn't be like that. And I'm to me, I'mma keep it a buck some [ __ ] [ __ ]

don't be wanting to say. If you start talking about organized crime, right, and him running the ring, she was a part

of the the criminal enterprise. Oh, no. People are saying that like, "Yo, fam,

if you going to say, let's say hypothetically, you take John Gotti and somebody's working on behalf of John Gotti. Let's say they fear John Gotti."

Mhm. Cool. Cassie's working under the fear of Puff. When John Gotti goes to

jail, Johnny No goes to jail, too. He can't get up there and say, "Yo, dog, I

was only doing this because my boss was making me unless unless unless he gets immunity for the testimony." Yeah. Cool.

So when when you start talking about that, people are saying, "Yo, Cassie was the person booking the guest. Cassie was

the person paying the guest." So now Cassie or whomever is now a part of the

criminal enterprise that y'all sending Puff to jail for, instructing the guest. See, cuz again, well, maybe go and

people got up there and testified to such. Yeah. But it's saying that, you know,

and there's some people that's going to say that she did that under like she was caught. That's what I just said. That's

what I just said. I know, but that's where the real conversations need to be had that we can't really have because

now you think about this dude said, "Yo, when he got to the door, she opened up the door." Mhm. Naked with

some heels on. I can't speak to her mental state of

mind when she's doing that, but factually, somebody's looking like, "Yo, dog, you

was with the shits. You was playing. You was with the shits." And I think we we we can't really again

in society. Why is it so bad to ever to say that? I don't I just bro Because now you look like a misogynistic man that's

not No, you look like the misogynistic man that's not taking into account this woman's abuse and why she might have had

to succumb to that. Yep. Yeah. Which could be accurate, but the could is the

part that makes you not go to jail. Yep. They can say drugs play the part. They can say different views. Well, I have

different views as well. They can say drugs play a part. They could say um being in love played a part just wanting

to please your partner, not want to get them upset. There's so many nuances when it comes to these things of why a person does that. I feel like if a person has a

vivid memory and say, "I did this." And they acknowledge that they did it. I feel like to put a psychological blame

on it, it just takes away from the person's accountability. I think there's no way. And now that we we rehash some

of the testimony, I don't see how somebody could say, "Yo, there was not a reasonable doubt present."

You had something to say about the man. No, you guys you guys had already um said it like the the the domestic

violence angle. I mean, like that is just it's a pervasive um uh an important part of this whole

sorted [ __ ] story, you know? Um, and then from watching the video, that was

not the first time, not even close. And there was a lot of testimony from other people that indicated that they had been

witnesses to, you know, to him beating her. So,

that is it's a major factor in this. We've come to the end. The jury's made

their decision, but that is a major factor. You know, when Mark was here, he was just like,

we've all known that Puff was a piece of [ __ ] for a really long time. And the [ __ ] that he should have been um maybe

face criminal charges on over the course of his 30 years in the business, he did

not face charges for. He's facing charges for this [ __ ] which But even that even that to an extent is media

propaganda. It's conjecture. It's it's how many people really know that Pub's a piece of [ __ ] Yeah, that's what I'm

saying. like since 1998 that heard we whatever you've

heard about that don't just etch in stone that somebody is a piece of [ __ ]

for me like we need more than that we can't just keep saying everybody knew

and no one did nothing no everybody didn't know all the way and

everybody was not in the place or position levels of piece of [ __ ] like saying that

you have to be thrown into he should have thrown in jail years ago like what for being an [ __ ] Like was he doing illegal things? Exactly. Does being does

being a piece of [ __ ] means you go to jail? Well, I mean well for example that

video take that for example if that had been made available

two weeks after he definitely would have faced criminal charges for that. That's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying.

And then every almost every single artist under Bad Boy them talking about

their experiences working with him and just basically how they ended up broke and he ended up rich and they've ended

up but no what I'm saying is when we're talking about calling somebody a piece

of [ __ ] and there's various reasons as to that various means in which somebody can determine you're a piece of [ __ ]

That is one. But at some point, it's time to show and prove. At some point, we can't just take the conjecture uh the

conjecture and make it match, right? Like we sit there and say puff a piece of [ __ ] for the contract [ __ ] Y'all

sign, you know, my stance. Y'all signed these contracts. You signed it. Also, that's not aable thing. This is all

stemming from he should have been in jail years ago, but like that's not jail. If I legally robbed somebody, I'm

a piece of [ __ ] for that. If I took advantage of Mel's situation, Mel's sleeping on somebody's couch, right? Mel

can sing her ass off. I know Mel can sing her ass off. I know Mel's going to be a star, Mel, you sleeping on somebody

couch. You want this 200 grand or not, right? Is it predatory? Yes. Is it a

piece of [ __ ] Yeah. Is it illegal? No. Is it immoral? Maybe. But now Mel goes

on to make $10 million. When I found you, you was on somebody's couch. I made a billion. You made5 million. But what

I'm referring to in terms of il uh illegality is the video and statute of

limitations etc. and and prior criminal activity that nobody nobody could prove

until they saw it. But even the video was a misdemeanor. I was about to mount even the video. It's a domestic violence

charge. It's horrible. It's horrible. I saw him kick this 90 lb girl on the ground. My [ __ ] it's horrible. any one

of us had the sister that was getting kicked on the ground, we might want the nigga's head. Yes. But for him to go

spend the rest of his life in a cell behind him beating on his girl, I just

think that was going to be a tough sale. It was going to be a tough sale. That was going to be a tough sale. And again, don't I'm not I'm not caping for him at

all. I'm not caping for him at all. I'm just saying, dog, like we can't give a

[ __ ] life in jail because we saw in my opinion because we saw him. Well, what?

Well, that video and his lawyers and defense acknowledging that he was an

abuser played a part into him why he didn't get bailed this last time. The judge, while I was in there, the judge

stated that you guys admitted that he's an abuser. You guys admitted that we

have video and he said, "Even though the video and you guys admittance won't play a a role in my sentencing to him, you

guys admitted this. So, he still can pose a danger to this person or that

person. And I mean, I read Cassy's uh paper. She sent a letter to keep him in.

I read it. You know, they passed it out to all of us. And you know, I feel I felt that he should have gotten bailed

because his the defense brought up four different cases of people that part that

got found guilty of sex trafficking that got bailed. But then the judge stated,

well, there were no violence involved in that. There were no admittance of domestic abuse involved in that. So,

this is why you should stay in. So, I think it's a small price to pay cuz I think that they used the fact that he's

a piece of [ __ ] and abusive and all that [ __ ] to their advantage in the court, the defendants. Exactly. Because they're

like, "Listen, he's a piece of [ __ ] but he is not that." So, I think that you pay the price of staying in jail for another couple months. Like, [ __ ] it.

You know, this helped me win because I I I even think that's [ __ ] Why?

I think if you tried to paint him out as a completely innocent human being, he would have had a tougher time in court. Yeah. You never you can't do that. I

think you lose. I think you lose if you do that. I think with regards to the bail situation

I think in my theory isn't mine. I think it'll

be tested once we hear the sentencing. True. Right. I think that if this man is on camera doing all these things and we

have all these testimonies doing all these things and now Puff goes home after 6 months cuz they can give him

time served. He can come home on probation. I think it's leaning toward I think he's

leaning toward getting probation, some monitored stuff, some drug programs and all of that stuff. Right. Cool. But if

the man sat in jail for 6 months after we laid out all this state funding, federal funding, um, and all of this

[ __ ] for him to only go sit for five or 6 months, I think that the people look crazy. So, I think they gave him an

additional four months. They're going to say, "Yo, he sat in jail for a year. We're going to give him time served. He served a year. go home. I think after

five months him only sitting because he got locked up in September. Well, the prosecutor so seven months I think that

that the the the the everybody looks the pro the prosecutor are waiting for the prosecutor and the judge they're waiting

for the conversation with probation. So once probation had once they have a pro conversation with probation, they're

trying to speed up the trial date the sentencing date. Yes. The sentencing date was October 3rd, but they're trying

to speed it up to July. So once the prosecutor said once they have a conversation with probation and

probation comes up with an understanding we're willing to Oh I didn't know that. Um yeah. Yeah. I didn't know that.

Monday, right? Yeah. Monday. So we we shall see. You goddamn right. I heard

Puff was saying no. I want to speak to the judge. Yeah, I heard that too. I heard like yo, let me talk to him. Uh I

agree with everything you said about uh maybe time served uh is going to happen. So yeah, you got to sit in there for a

year till October. What's the max on his charge? 10 years. 10 years. 27 months

each charge. No, the max is maxim.

Yeah, the max is 56 months and then Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Cuz you got a

clean record and all. That's what I was going to say. Like first time offender, all of that type of [ __ ] But I think the two charges they said would if he

was to do max time for both, they would run concurrent or whatever time for both cuz they're kind of the same crime. So,

I didn't think he was getting the bail just because you then now we got all this egg on our face. Mhm. Now, now you

made us look you made us look real stupid. You made us look real dumb. They took a major L. We we spent a lot of

money. A lot of witnesses. I read somewhere that usually a case like this, they

would have like two prosecutors or three prosecutors. They had six. Yeah. Like a lot of energy, a lot of manpower on

this. There was a white guy in there cuz my my mom is crazy. But there was a white guy in there sitting behind us saying, "Oh yeah, look at this. Can you

imagine six white women against this black man? Um, look at the Karens." And

they look he people were agreeing with him, but the people that wasn't on Puffside were were mad at him. Yeah, it

was crazy. It's crazy in there. You had absolutely nothing. Now you done exposed all my private dirty Yeah. business. Do

you think that he has a chance to sue them? Cuz I thought the same thing you thought. No. Oh, he got lost. Lost.

Yeah. Yes, he lost. But there's a lot of things that came out of that. If we're going to use a psychological standpoint,

right? Hey yo, from what I suffered from, he also had a psych He also could say he suffered from

he didn't. Not really. Damn. If he got found innocent, then he might be open. People look at whatever you endured as a

criminal. It's par for the course. Like you used my personal business. You you you you exposed me to the world. Not

only that, you you brought you exposed me to the world. And

on top of exposing me to the world, the charges that you tried to charge me with didn't warrant that. You had no proof of

what you were trying to charge me with. So you don't think that he can sue over that? Your defense proved that we were wrong in court. Okay. When [ __ ] get 40

charges, again, we might only prove two of them. Got it. Yo, when you when you go to jail and you sleep on a hard ass

cement floor with no mat, people look at it like, "Yo, dog, you're

in jail. You're not at the country club. You in jail, right? It's supposed to be hard. You're in jail." Got it. So, most

people don't really have sympathy for you. I know [ __ ] that told me they was locked up in the with the windows was

broke. They had to sleep in their coats. Literally had to sleep in their coats. So sometimes they'll come in like, "Oh

yo, y'all under these conditions will deduct XYZ off your time. My little cousin was locked up during CO. People

was dying during CO in the jail. They gave some of them a little bit off to their sentences, but that that that the

average citizen looks at it like, "Yo, fam, you're in jail. We don't have sympathy for you." Got you. You know, a

question I had about this when they raided his crib, um, the one in LA. Mhm.

You know, they they listed all the [ __ ] they found. It was assault rifles with deface cereals named. We never heard of

peep about that. Well, they said well I read all the weapons found were registered illegal weapons. Yeah, I

heard that too. Deface serial propaganda. And that's what but but you get what I'm saying. That's what I'm

saying. Also maybe uh early reporting, you know what I mean? They may not have Yeah. had the full information. Serial

might be somewhere else. So you throw this information out to throw it out there. We found drugs. lot of people said that

the the the baby oil had a chemical in it that would uh it was like a rape drug

in the chemb bro all of those things that we got to sway the public opinion

like and this fur like I'm starting to believe that conspiracy I'm telling you I say I believe and I think whoever

conspiracy yeah what's conspiracy the broadcast is too big for us to really get into some of that stuff but dog they

said a lot of [ __ ] they the one conspiracy was the liquor thing Dio owes him $2 billion and they did this to send

him away. All of that stuff, you know what I mean? Like a lot of this stuff that

once you see how it played out again, they said, "Yo, he has a chemical in all

of the lube." Mhm. That was a report. Like they did testing on all of the lube and it was a chemical in there. None of

that stuff came up in the trial. I think this was all essentially media. I think the the the state and the feds felt

pressure because all the [ __ ] became public with the the camera and the lawsuit from Cassie, all that [ __ ] and they felt pressured to [ __ ] put all

their test. I think that's why I was going to say that's all our fault. This is an indictment on our society and what

we find entertaining. True. This is this is all a reflection of of the blood lust

that we have for gladiator games. That's what this is. So, this is our fault. So

when you find yourself in a situation like Puff where you're facing quote unquote trumped up charges, all of the

theater that goes along with these high-profile [ __ ] cases, whether it's like somebody accused of serial murder

like the ID Idaho [ __ ] or, you know, Gilgo Beach, we're learning

everything as every single fact gets, you know, gets discovered. True crime is

one of the most popular genres. It's probably the most popular genre of entertainment. No, in every way, shape,

and form. Documentaries, movies, everything. Yeah. And so this is an

indictment on what we find entertaining. All of this. We go back to the Kobe trial. When Kobe got accused of the rape

stuff, they said that the prosecution knew he was never going to trial. They didn't have enough evidence to take him

to trial. They let it extend because they said that all of the hotels were booked, all of the restaurants were

booked, the cabs, all of that stuff. That little ass town was making so much money that they stretched it as long as

they could cuz they knew they didn't have enough to indict them. True Crime, Court TV is a multi-billion dollar

[ __ ] Again, you got every reporter from all around the world in Colorado in this little ass town reporting on this

stuff. So, everything is booked and that's just where we are as a society. M how do you guys feel about the people

that that that are now um that were hoping that he went to jail

and get found guilty but are now on the opposite side? I think that speaks to society too. I think that women go

through so much [ __ ] um that us as men sometimes can't identify with Mhm. that

this was almost like a he going to suffer for everything that

we've endured. Yeah. People are switching sides. You know what I mean? Um, now that the big charge, the Rico

charge, he got found not guilty, not guilty on that. And I see some people that were hoping that he go to jail

standing on the other side. Regular Joe's or celebrity. I don't know about I'm talking about regular Joe's in real

time. I'm talking about when I first went there to the courthouse, what some people were saying. And now that that

happened, a lot of people just want to be on the right side of things. So like if they were standing, yeah, he's going to be he's going to do this. I think it

would have been the other way too. Do you feel like when some folks would have no he's going to beat it he's going to beat it and then if he came out and they

found him guilty and everything oh yeah yeah yeah like people just freeze do you feel like there's a pressure to follow

others meaning that to follow what people may to follow the right side

pressure I just think people do it people just follow the crowd I mean what are what are the next steps for Puff

I've been wondering that a lot if if I'm him, lay low. I get back to business.

Like, we can't deny that he's one of the uh

most assertive, aggressive people we've seen in business. So, I think that once

he sets his mind to some [ __ ] I don't think you could really deny him. If I'm him, I just get low. I spend the time

with my family. Hopefully, um he's detoxed, you know what I'm saying? And

and and drug free and sober and all of those things. And I just think that um he'll get I he a money maker, bro. I

think he'll just get back to business. Um I don't think that it's going to be as a big of a black eye as people think.

I don't see him getting low. I don't think you get low. This the the I mean I

got found guilty of the prostitution that a lot of the industry does. That's

true. So a lot of my contemporaries ain't really looking at me as a bad guy

right now. No, that's not true. He beat that girl on camera and we all saw it. That is a black eye to your personal

brand, your persona, all of those things. The criminal charges. People don't give a [ __ ] about that. I was just

getting unfortunately. We don't give a [ __ ] about that. Unfortunately. Oh, I think cuz I think people care less about the criminal. A lot of statements being

made. I think that people care more about the DV video footage than any of this. But I'm talking about Everybody

pay for some. They going to [ __ ] with they going I think people are still going to [ __ ] with Puff. Oh, I think so too. musically. I agree. I think he

don't miss a beat. And I think a lot of them [ __ ] did do that, too. That's

true, too. And just didn't get caught. That's true. Again, I I could I think he

cares less about the prostitution piece. Agreed. Like, so [ __ ] brag about every day about tricking. Like that ain't

nothing. Um I think that the [ __ ] the welcome home party going to have some prostit

going on in here. I think the DV piece is still a a black eye to him. I think he feels embarrassed

by the DV piece. So, um I think he'll address it. He'll probably do some reparation like reputational reparation.

Yeah, he's going to do some rehab counseling. Maybe maybe connect himself with a domestic violence organization.

You think he's genuine? To I don't I'm tell you why I don't. I'm

going to tell you why I don't. when the I remember how he responded when the charges when she first filed publicist

games he still did it publicist games or not he could have said no I don't sat up

here and said his public where was his publicist his publicist should would never have let him do that he did that on on his own accord then I remember

once the bit like like now it's oh [ __ ] they know okay I can't behave so I don't

I think I think he gonna do what he got to do to be some puff was high all these

are reports like Even this is what I said to talk because to told me the same thing when I was talking to him and he

tried to say he's a sociopath but I said you don't think that he can change you don't think that him sitting down seeing his business go out there seeing this

happen that he could want to change and what better himself sociopathy is a personality disorder and that's what he

told me but I said I don't I don't I don't necessarily we got too much of that going on enough of y'all yo wait

enough he said that when the [ __ ] do y'all get enough y'all are not y'all on

WebMD going nuts Now y'all can't just keep diagnosing people with what the

[ __ ] you think they got. You don't know these people. Mhm. We using really big words. Psychology.

You don't even know what they mean. Yeah, they know what they mean cuz they read it up. But psych everybody so I

don't think to credible enough to call Puff a socio

nothing. [ __ ] sit down for a minute. We do. Go gather yourself.

Sorry y'all. I ask the same question. No, we do. Like I think I think the narcissist term, the misogynist term,

the incel, all we are in a society where these psychological terms [ __ ] went the world. Because let me ask you,

deflection. Now, who's to say that he that he hasn't done the work? His lawyer said his lawyer said that he

did. His lawyer said that he was doing the work before he went in. He was doing some of the work going to some of the

programs when he knew that when we told him that the feds were coming, he aligned himself with different programs.

His lawyer said that. But I'm just saying nobody knows. He might have did it before the feds. In in his apology

video, he said that he in therapy and getting some help doing yada yada yada. And he may have done it even before

that, but all we know is that a really, really, really horrible domestic

violence video came out that is dated 2016. Mhm.

That's it. I understand what you're saying. That we know that we absolute certainty. Yeah.

Yeah. That's it. Anything else is here to say we don't we

don't know for sure. We saw that. I don't I don't I don't I don't stand in that people can't change. That's that's

not my and I said I said that's not my ministry. I said I think he that's not where I come from. And I think too easy

too it's too easy today to to write somebody off completely to make somebody

a villain even if they're villains. Well, social media is the pitchfork pitchfork uh mob. They don't allow

growth on social media. You are who you just we at your lowest that's who you

forever are. I I agree with Joe. I feel like we try to use these big words to sort of to mask the fact that we are

human beings and people go through things and they will do the work to change. It's also a deflection of accountability. I feel like if you're I

feel like by sitting down you become sober, you become like I don't want to be back here. I don't want my business

to be back in I feel like all of that could be rock bottom. I I feel like all of that plays a part. I don't know what

sociopath means. So when he said it to me, I was I didn't He just said it's a mind thing. You're a sociopath. I don't think that this would have changed him.

He's going to go out and do the same thing. This is what he told me and I don't agree. It's basically somebody who knows the difference between right and wrong and doesn't give a [ __ ] They lack

empathy and yeah they they have no conscience like so then you don't give so except you would only give a [ __ ]

about your family because you can't say you don't give a [ __ ] if you have children that you love. So that sort of contradicts each other. Well, no, not

exactly. It's like knowing the difference between right and wrong and not caring about that. not having empathy like for causing somebody pain

like that's okay essentially barebones explanation. Yeah. See, I don't even

think that normal people should be given it if you're not credited and you ain't

do because you can't just call somebody something. You got to speak to them. You got to get information. You can't just keep watching somebody on the internet

and say you're a sociopath. They call me a sociopath for how I act on Love Hip Hop. like enough now. I man that's

facts. Yeah, you can't we can't just keep doing that is all I'm saying. I agree and that one I mean shoot they

could be right. I don't know but I mean a doctor I done sat in front of a lot of doctors and nobody ever used that

because then you know what you you know I think if you do you know right from wrong and we see you sometimes say yo

that's wrong I was wrong. I mean sometimes in the moment we ah but then you can realize that y that was wrong.

So, and and hopefully when he comes home, he'll continue to he'll continue to do the work that needs to be done.

That's the thing about work. It's never done. It's never done. So, hopefully he'll continue to do the work. Uh

real real proud and happy day for his family. I'm sure his sons are his kids.

Daughters, his mom uh and Puff supporters. There are many of them. So, real happy day for them.

Maybe not the happiest day for uh anyone who this case has triggered. Yeah. True.

Right. Because there are abuse victims out there that had had to read [ __ ] see [ __ ] hear [ __ ] be brought back to

things. So, and and and some people feel like the verdict in this is somewhat a

reminder of why vict uh uh abuse victims don't come forward, don't try to uh

pursue legal action with their I think that's unfair. Yo, like I was telling my mom about that, man. Like she was

yelling at um what's the what's his the lady's name? His his lawyer uh the the black lady. My mom was arguing with her

or yelling at her saying that she doesn't sympathize with victims. And I told my mom, I think that's wrong. I think that to loop up all victims in a

situation like that is wrong. And and I feel like people that do that are doing a disservice to victims.

I agree. It's it's a disservice like that lady was doing her job. I don't think that she doesn't sympathize with victims, but she's doing her job. And to

put that on is wrong. Number one. Number two, all victims don't share the same story. So we cannot loop up. Oh, I'm a

victim. And every crime not the same. Exactly. I think the charges in general

were a disservice to victims because they weren't charging him with the thing that the whole world looked at. They were charging him with a whole bunch of

other [ __ ] that was irrelevant to the domestic abuse. Trying to pray on the Yeah. Yeah. Exactly, Parks.

It's a good point. I just think that the severity too for every crime should not be the same. You

know what I'm saying? Like if I come punch Parks in the face and then I shoot Joe, like yo, they everybody they're

victims. Mhm. But the severity for me punching you and the severity for him shooting Joe, they are totally different

punishments that should be um handed down. I I just don't think it's just a blank slate for sure. And I think that

that's a a bad justice. It's not it just

you know what time it is, right? Yeah. You don't look too You don't look too

happy about this. Like how do you feel? The real conversation still can never really be happen cuz I see it in your

[ __ ] But you can if you want to. Nah, we can just edit it out for pay-per-view

and nah. But I mean I mean listen, you can't. Especially here.

I get you. I get it. I understand what you're saying. You do want You do You do

You do want to celebrate men men kind of do want to celebrate

history not being able to be rewritten on you. Mhm. Cuz there's just been a a

trend recently of that happening and and working and

being successful at it. like outside of Hoveve and Busby. That that might have been the only case we heard where, you

know, it went a little different, but no, they threw it up. It's not the first

one. There's several during the whole um #meto thing. A lot of men were being

taken down and there was a few like Azizari um and uh Jeremy Pivven was another one

where they accusations were leveled at them and they were like, "Oh, hell no. [ __ ] no." and they fought tooth and

nail. Those are two that I can think. Chris Brown accusations came and he had all of the

messages and everything. They threw it out. It's different because he because he had the proof. Yeah. That's what we

If he didn't have the proof, they would have put that boy on the skewers. Mhm.

Jay-Z didn't Jay-Z just shot right back at Busby. Like it didn't even go to You

get what I'm saying? Yeah. But it was because it was still proof in when the the the person said they recanted kind

of their story because it was like, "Yo, you I did what?" I don't have to go back. Okay. I'm just saying there are

examples though. Yeah. Of people who have like And Jeremy Pivan is white.

Like I think your thing is a little bit more Aziz. I'm sorry. Is brown. Your [ __ ] is didn't do [ __ ] No, I know. What

did a bad date? Yeah. What did it? Yeah, he had a bad date. Yeah. But I mean, like, it was being packaged as um

I don't even know what the [ __ ] they were trying to call that, but even women were like, "Uh uh uh uh uh uh, don't

even try to align yourself with real victims." Like that [ __ ] even women

were like, "No." As a matter of fact, the magazine that put that out, I think

that was their first and only issue, the story where they interviewed the quote unquote victim, cuz it was just so bad.

That's really That's the real conversation. Me for a minute. Do you think America looks at dead gang members as victims?

Probably. No. Abs. Probably not. No. Oh, you you I had a conversation with Avid

Pot fam. One of my home girls. Avid Pot fam. She's an attorney. Hey girl. Right. She's an attorney, too. So, we broken

down. She said to Mel's point because she told me that I me and Mel had this

back and forth early on in the show and where um I was like dog anything that

Cassie is doing now it could she could stub her toe and [ __ ] are blaming Puff right and so my home girl just went

crazy yo y'all don't understand and I'm like yo dog she called him after she got with her new dude and she was like

Stockholm syndrome and she went through all of these terms and I said let me ask you a question I said if a young black

man goes out or any man for that matter that grew up in a [ __ ] up circumstance goes out and they kill somebody. Do you

look at like they should go to jail? And she said, "Absolutely." I said, "So why do you not look at the environment that

this kid grew up in and a trauma that this kid faced because now he's growing

up in a jungle. So now survive in the jungle, you become a [ __ ] lion or a wolf. And so now these actions that he

learned in this environment, now why do they not exonerate him?

and she sat there and was quiet and she was like, "I'll get back to you on that one." Like, "Yo, dog." So, to your point

with the gang [ __ ] we don't look at them like they are a victim of environment or circumstance or anything

else. And I don't want to equate the two. Like, cuz that would be disrespectful to Cassie. I'm just saying we don't ever look at it with regards to

that. Like, these kids are growing up in these environments and these environments are making them at a young

age become this. But here's the crazy part. When it comes to black and brown

people, specifically men, it it's look for e look for moments of early

criminalized behavior with white boys like school shooters and [ __ ] Let's

look down his life to see where he was harmed or or or experienced some trauma. It's really [ __ ] up and so

contradictory. But the fact of the matter is is that sometimes the education of what you were first

disposed to it plays a major role and factor in the things that you do.

We don't take that into account with

people. You can't say nothing to pops. Pops do what he want. That's why I love You can't sit right there, boy. You

can't say nothing to him. He trying to look around in us. We ain't doing it. We ain't run the water.

You can't say nothing to the OG. It is made for words.

We good. We good. Oh man. I'm not saying nothing to him cuz we we

still got our graduation be. By the way, I want to thank the half

that of y'all in this room because don't think I can hear it that agreed with me. Thank you. Hey, hey, take that uh college PhD [ __ ]

down the street, big dog. Shout out the pops. Take that, take that [ __ ] somewhere. Anyway, uh what was I saying

now? Oh, y'all was talking. Yeah, but I ain't really want to. But cuz you got to

think about what Mel just said, but people don't I didn't understand what Mel just said. Well, I know I was

applying it to your example of I was ordering stroli. Yeah, yeah, Chipotle. That's true. No, I

was applying it to your example where you asked are um our gang members who get murdered victims. I was applying it

to that example. Gotcha. Mhm. Favorite part of the show.

No trying to get up out of no problems, bro. My brain be going crazy. What? I'm

good. I'm a sucker. I'm Howard the coward. Howard the coward? Mhm. Who the hell is that? Yeah. Me? You just be

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participants out there and run your game. Okay, so the room thinks Puff is

bouncing back without a problem. I do a level received. I don't know about

wellreceived. I think he's going to his public image is going to be in turmoil, but I think that uh he'll be

business-wise, like you said, he's a businessman. He's going to get to it. Yeah. Okay. Mhm. No distractions.

I think I I hope he gets low for a minute. Like I think even some of the [ __ ] that he did before they came and

got him, I think some of that [ __ ] hurt him. You know what I mean? Like that braggadocious thing. I even heard people

talking about um his kids and how they were rejoicing outside.

Like a lot of people looked at that in a way. No, that I'm rejoicing my pops. Crazy. Listen, it depends on it depends

on the onlooker. A lot of people looked at that [ __ ] in a way. Cool. But I just beat a Rico. Well, Pops just beat a

Rico. Yeah. Where he was facing the rest of his life. [ __ ] missed their dad. My dad was facing life. Okay. We've been

out here pressing [ __ ] We've been out here stepping in [ __ ] Yeah. One dad to come home. Okay. Sorry.

And they he was did the little spinning dance with with his sister who Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Sorry. The kids I mean and

all they got a right to celebrate. What happens to all of the rest of the people that took

the stand? We already getting some of the the the male the male escorts doing interviews. What happens with Cassie?

What happens to some of the other some of the other people that took the stand? I think we're getting a lot of books. There going to be a lot of books.

There's going to be a lot of books. Books and docks. Books and docks. Books and docks. I think Cassie will be I mean

she already got 20, but I think No, she got more than that because she sued the hotel for 10. I did hear that, too.

Yeah, I did hear that. Um, pays to be a victim.

Okay. I think um I think she'll in Take it out. I don't care. No, I think I

think she'll start going getting more movie roles and [ __ ] like that. Maybe. Yeah. Like I think just off the the the

sympathy plea, she's beautiful, fam. So I think she'll definitely start to get some more some more um acting jobs. I

don't I think the opposite. I again, bro, I think a lot of people [ __ ] with Puff and still do.

And I think the silence of a lot of people said that. So I think that

people's like, "Yo, I don't like that." Because again, like the jury, I they

don't necessarily believe you were fullout victim of all of this. Yes, they still do believe victim. Yes. DV victim.

Yes. So, it's people like, "Yo, you you you went up there, you did this, y'all tried to set them up with those

charges." People ain't really She ain't She not going to be in a lot of people's favor. People feel like she got 30

million and Yeah. And she was made whole. That's how people feel. Like, you got a payout. We will see.

Indeed. We'll see. Thoughts and prayers to anybody who needs it out there. For sure. It's the Fifth of July. [ __ ] is

at cookouts. I ain't trying to depress anybody. Yeah. Have some fun. Okay. All right. Cool. All right. What What's fun?

What's fun they need our assistance with? Malik Beasley. He ran up a tab at

the barber shop. Need a lot of assistance. No, he ran up a tab everywhere. Everywhere he went. The dentist. The barber shop. Malik Beasley.

How much is the barber shop? 30 30 something 100,000.

Yeah. What? What type of haircuts he is? Some nice fades. I ain't going to hold you. Some nice f. How do they let a bill

get that long? They know you at the barber shop. They know you rich. 30 something grand for [ __ ] crazy. 30 29

grand some [ __ ] You suck. [ __ ] hairline ain't even sharp like that, dog. Like

I'm a broke even my little my little $100. Malik Beasley is a basketball

player. Last year played for the Pistons. Uh and they're getting him out the paint saying that he uh he was uh

did some sports betting [ __ ] with Yeah. gambling sports betting [ __ ] and just wasn't moving. He [ __ ] it up. He did

the the Porter package thing. Yeah. Uh allegedly. So it's coming out, reports

are coming out with just how broke he was. They're saying by at the end of it, the dentist was garnishing his check

from the NBA, his Pistons check. That I don't understand. I'm confused about. Why?

Malik Beasley has made over $60 million in his career. All right. You pay who you want to pay. Could have [ __ ] it

up, too. And you pay who you want to pay. I don't know what his last contract was. So, just for conversation sake,

let's call it $7 million. Yeah. If he owes the dentist or whoever

that was 30 grand, how is his check being garnished from the NBA? Because

what'll happen is the dentist would file a judgment. Like if somebody owes me rent money and they don't pay me, I go

downtown, I file a claim, then we go to court. That's how you handle it? Oh, okay. [ __ ] Oh, I thought you put hands

and feet on [ __ ] I thought they knew not to play with. Hey girl, whatever the [ __ ] you want. But yo, so you go down,

you file a judgment. If you win the judgment, then the court will now um start to slowly garnish some of your

earnings from wherever you work. But what happens is if they let's say you owe somebody 30 grand, the judgment

might take $300 a month from them, $400 a month from them. They might they not say you'll take the whole 30. They're

taking a portion. Yeah. They'll take a small portion. Got it. They take a portion. Yeah. How does somebody get that broke making $7 million a year or

whatever? Vices. Bad gambling. vices, but no lifestyle because you remember they said um

you bring home maybe 40 40 something cent per dollar, 30 something cent per dollar. So we looking at it $7 million.

He don't really make $7 million and bey number 7 million out. I don't know what

he makes uh last year or seven. It was 7 million last year. So he don't make 7

million. He's made 60 million in his career in nine years. Yeah. Watched a million. We saw the ESPN broke [ __ ] all

that [ __ ] Like how much was how much did Antoine Walker make during his whole [ __ ] career? Like 100 [ __ ]

million. Yeah. So again, once Uncle Sam takes his [ __ ] then you balling out of

control. Bad investment. You you um you fluing them out. You know what I'm saying? Like yo dog, all of that [ __ ]

matters. Yeah. See, somebody give you the promise. Yo, you give me five right here to start this business up in two

years. I got a real estate deal. Triple it over here. You shouldn't you shouldn't do that. Yo,

you should hire professionals. No, they do be professionals. Yeah, that's true. They crack your head. [ __ ] got

signage, offices, all that [ __ ] and they'll tear your [ __ ] ass up. So, no. I mean, I don't think it's that

hard. It would be hard for me, but it ain't hard for him necessarily to run through that [ __ ] Your lifestyle be

crazy. These [ __ ] are nuts, yo. No, [ __ ] If

you were single, you'll run through it. If I was single, I'd run through what? Your money? 3 million a year. That's

easy. That's not true. What are you talking about? That's not true. How do you think your life would be different

if you were single right now? Uh, it'd be a constant state of despair and misery. I hear that. I'm just so elated

that I'm loneliness. That's right. Recklessness,

no irresponsibility, irrespons.

Yeah, you wouldn't be grounded anymore. Yeah. All of that. No electric. But it wouldn't be No, it wouldn't be no

running through money. I'm really good with money. 3 million a year. You crazy.

Yeah, we can tell you good with money. I don't know why it's just blowing up business. I am phenomenal with funny

phenomenal is relative, but it's cool. Yo, dog, [ __ ] be taking care of their whole families, [ __ ] like

that. Like, dog, it's not really hard to do do that. [ __ ] live in big ass houses and drive

the nicest cars. I do want to interview his barber. I do want to hear from the barber. I

just want to know the rate at least. Same. 37, man. 37. That's like more than

I was spent on barbers my entire life. I'm Before we got a point, a lot of [ __ ] fly they barber in. Yeah. Okay.

Like I remember my I was my barber was cutting Ross and Khaled and them here that [ __ ] ain't used to be there like

them [ __ ] he got to go. So I had to switch barbers like dog them [ __ ] don't be available cuz when them [ __ ]

pay so much that when they tell you to come pause you got to go. Yeah. So you

So the barber booking his flight and billing you and you not paying them back. Got it. Gore just dropped some more. That that bar I did. Huh? You let

your barber leave to go cut Ross while you needed a one a. Hey man, you let

your barber leave. Who else your barber was cut? Who else your barber left? Ross. I know he was cutting Khaled and your barber left you for Khaled. Yeah,

I'm getting a free flight to Miami. I don't know what this nigga's paying him per. Yeah, I wasn't mad. [ __ ] go get

that B. What? [ __ ] your boss will leave you too, [ __ ] Like for real call

him. That [ __ ] be right in Paris. Right at the Louis Vuitton

with the Louis Vuitton cape on him. Word. [ __ ] out of here. And the real Louis Vuitton, not that [ __ ] be

happening. When you start talking about flights and [ __ ] it could it could it could run up. That's true. Yeah, that's

crazy. I was just like a rhetorical question for me. I don't give a [ __ ] how that [ __ ] got broke. Like I don't really want to investigate.

I don't I don't give two [ __ ] about how Malik Beasley got broke. Holy [ __ ] Some

of yours old work.

I don't know what you're saying. It's all right, dog. Not forever. But it's not on right on a broadcast. Some of your old work tapped the [ __ ] out. Oh,

with Ty. Well, [ __ ] The barber tapped him out. They going to stand a chance. Tough to tap. Well, them Dykeman Devils.

Them Dykeman Devils. They need a team. Man, where you going after this?

Speaking of tapping some [ __ ] out, huh? to a little bashment. Hey. Okay, Stella.

All right. Got your Sandra D pumps on. Mhm. You You took off the fishnet

sevens. I shut up.

I really like my little ballet slippers. I call these the Blanch Deos or that. Yeah. Yo, remember when she already put

the on grease? She threw the cigarette down at dinner. She had them [ __ ] on. A

little leather. A little leathery. It's a little leathery. Mel cpped all the Stella McCartney. Go ahead. Killing

that [ __ ] These are actually Jimmy Chew. Hey, stop playing with Big M. She's very

neighborish. The bash man. Uh, all right. What else important? What else important? Unimportant? I can tell y'all

I can tell that y'all want to go home. That's so Don't worry. Yeah, don't worry. We going to find some topics. Of

course. Of course. No, we was talking on do fish live have a better chance of living in the desert,

salt water. Oh man. Let I'd like to hear I'd like to

hear uh I'd like to hear first world problems from each of you. Oh, I have What is

your biggest What is your biggest first world problem? I have a list. Oh, let's

hear a list. I have several. Um I got a few. Uh, I hate when I don't have a phone

charger. That just pisses me off. I hate when I can't get reservations at my favorite restaurants. Okay. Um,

yeah, those are the only two I can come up with right now. I'll go back around me cuz I'm I'll come up with like three

more. Hey, when the other girl knocks.

Hey, when you hear that knock at around 3:00 a.m., [ __ ] again.

Yo, when I can't get a parking spot in the front, I'll be tight. That's some some

entitlement privilege. Uh, when you can't find valet parking, when I can't when I can't get a first class seat on a

flight, oh yeah, I'll be kind of sight. Or the first class seat be out my price range and put me right back in my place.

Okay. I can't I can't afford all them [ __ ]

Shut your broke ass down. Or if the only first class seats left areisles. I [ __ ] hate Isisles. I'm not a fan of

the aisle either. That's I'm not a fan of the first world problems. Yeah, I'm not a fan of the

aisle either. Even in first class, I'm not a fan of the aisle. If I get the al the [ __ ] coming on the plane

got better play hopscotch cuz I'mma be sleep before this engine

come on and I'm not moving my feet so sorry if I'm in the [ __ ]

Louis Vuitton missing some letters having

crazy as hell yo the and I'm getting up mad times during the flight if I'm in the I'm taking advantage Yeah. Nah, I

don't [ __ ] with the aisle. You can't really get your good sleep on. I ain't with that [ __ ] Yeah, I'm not an aisle. Give me the I need a window. Anyway, I

prefer any flight. I'm all aisle. First world problems. Give me more. Give me more. Give me more. Give me more. Give me more. Flip. You got any? I'm

listening to y'all and I'm trying to think of mine. Yeah. I mean, when I

don't have dinner on time. Um, so I want I don't want to get too crazy. See,

nuggets still in the air fryer. Yeah. Not no nuggets. Nah, not no nuggets, man. I get I get Listen, hold on. Soggy

for a fry. Hold on. Hold on. Freeze. I'm chilling. Hold on, [ __ ] Nobody Nobody abused the system and had their

mother-in-law cook all the time. Me, I have my wife. And if it's not on time, I don't care if you got to come from work,

man. Like, I went straight to it. You don't care if you traffic. You don't get I don't care about none of that. And

it's [ __ ] up a dick like that. Yo, I'm I'm a [ __ ] up individual when it comes to that, man. and and I lay down and I

and I sit down and I talk to myself a lot. What do you what do you say to yourself? And like damn, it's you have

to be more nicer, you know? Yeah, consider it. Especially being up here with you guys. But there's

always I think that the the devilish side of me always win. Yeah. Ignore it. I don't care. But yeah,

I don't get my dinner in time. Um just uh having a family being at my crib

like I don't Yeah. I just want Yeah, that's my problem. Having my dinner time, people coming to my crib too much

and being there for too long. I don't shop no more. But when you you might can

attest to this when you go in your your stores and and your person don't be there.

Okay. That [ __ ] be aggravating. That I can see that you know what I'm saying? Like that be aggravating. How you don't

How you don't you shop anymore? I don't really be buying clothes outside. But when I used to be going out shopping a

lot, you you got specific people that you use like the dude Nean Marcus and [ __ ] like that. So you

going Nean Marcus and your dude ain't there. You like you buy it online? No jello. No, I don't shop. Oh, okay. But

that's a first world problem. It for sure. Is it some [ __ ] Uh let me think. Other [ __ ] be like, "Can I help

you?" No, [ __ ] No. Where do that? [ __ ] out of here. Like, no, [ __ ] Mine um

like if I'm buying something and I I can't get it first day, like whatever it is, whether it be, you know me, I'm a

tech [ __ ] so iPhone, if I can't get it the first day, I'm tight. I damn near don't want it no more. Anything that

drop, I have to have it the first day. You mean Okay, so you got bots in place and stuff to purchase it. No, I be set I

set alarm, get up for the pre-order early, all that switch, all that [ __ ] I have to have it the day it dropped or

else I damn nearly don't want it. My landlord uh just sent the repair guy to

fix some things around the crib the other day and I've been asking for this for a while but I really put my foot

down the other day. I really don't like the doorork knob he picked and the new light they put in the backyard like that [ __ ] is so change. No,

how do you tell them like No, you change it. Change it yourself. Go buy a door knob. Yo, it cost $20. Should it take

five minutes and it take three minutes to change? No. All right, you got it. Yo, even though you down with us, you

still be doing white white people [ __ ] You still do white. Even though you down with us, you still be doing some white

person [ __ ] Nah, some of these landlords be cheap as [ __ ] man. They will wait. My landlords aren't though, but they had the the dude go shopping at

the depot and the dude, he like, "Yo, my [ __ ] you don't see all the door knobs and [ __ ] is black." Yeah.

Yeah. They go come back with the chrome. He know it's like a knob. It's not like a handle [ __ ] Oh, that's that's bougie.

Yeah. Yeah. Toilets. What? You Oh, you got stupid ass smart

toilet. The lid come off too slow. Now there got to be an option. There got to be an option to make it make the lid

opening everywhere. How the lid come up. You got to walk in front of it and make it come

like it's mature. No, I'm saying you got to walk in front of it or you push a button.

You just walk in front of it. Does it automatically go down by itself, too? Yeah. Oh, that's annoying. You bought a lot of them shits, too.

You sit bought a lot of paw, too.

Cory Cory told you about that [ __ ] Disgusting. We remember you about it. Disgusting. So, you're older. You can't

hold that [ __ ] for so long. Oh, that's another first world problem. I have four bathrooms and that's way too many bathrooms to maintain. Yeah, it's first.

It takes a lot of It's a lot of work. You know, I got so many bathrooms that I refuse to use one when I walk by it. So

then I just then back in the game. Got to got to

make it to a different bathroom. You still use pine? Uh uh well I don't clean

but first world problem. That's not a first world problem. That's a first world problem. That's a first

world problem. You clean? Oh that's a first world problem. accusing the cleaning lady Martha every time

something is missing or out of place. My girl be doing she ain't never guilty.

I got to give it to Martha. I be dragging her name through them. That [ __ ] Martha stole my drawers again.

She took all the left socks. Yeah, cuz she ain't going to throw nothing out. She going to find a Puerto Rican family somewhere that need needs your [ __ ]

That's funny. Puerto Ricans ain't throwing that out now. Hey yo, I ain't going to hold you. I think I think half of Colia got that ish merch.

Wow. Yo, what? Oh, wait. We're not going to let you fall for that. Yo, what? Hold on. No, my

cleaning lady. Yo, I be having boxes of [ __ ] Like my girls be like, "Yo, I'll

be like, "Man, give it to the cleaner lady, dog. Them niggas." You sure it's a cleaning lady or you not sending it on on the other on the other flight?

What? I have no idea what this is. Okay, I'll let you think about that issue. Yeah, it's cool. I just think about You

got to play it all, but you know you know you know you smooth. You got it all lined up. I'm just saying. You might be given a package to one of your your

sides. You know what I'm saying? The Colombian joint. That's what I'm talking about, boy. You can look to the side. You can look to the side. [ __ ] man is

insane. You can look to the side. The cleaning lady that my girl gives boxes of clothes to. I don't know what country

she from, but she be sending it to her peoples. [ __ ] my whole joke up. I ain't

mean to, bro. I mean, you just don't be wanting to get down with the joke. Like you got this

like stubborn old [ __ ] old [ __ ] syndrome. Like [ __ ] laugh [ __ ] Like I

didn't know what the [ __ ] lie with me boy. If I want to accuse you of having a side piece from Columbia, lie with me.

No, step into it. Yeah, [ __ ] I don't know what your girl may do. She may [ __ ] you up, but still lie. We all got to get

beat up sometimes. We all Okay, I'm with you. Mark, welcome. And I'm sure you have a a laundry list of first world

problems. No, I mean I was listening to y'all. Y'all, first of all, y'all, those ain't

first world problems. Those is rich people problems. Like first world problems like phrased it rich people

problems initially and they told them it was politically incorrect. So they made them turn it into But I

said what I meant to say rich people problem. You mean see that's what I mean. Even business not a world where

you could be free to [ __ ] say what you trying to say. Oh no. You mean first world. No you [ __ ] ass [ __ ] I'm

saying exactly what I'm trying to say. I don't need you to PC me, right? Well, I

couldn't join in on the conversation with rich people problems. So, not wanting to be called rich is a first

world problem. For sure. You gave rich people problems. You gave famous people problems. You definitely gave rich and

or/ bougie people problems. You flips yours a little bit different cuz like poor people got the same complaint you

got right about around the crib. That's just dude. That's like husband problems, you know what I mean? You know, that's patriarchy problems. But,

but like, you know what I mean? Like, you're used to being famous. So, getting first day [ __ ] for you, it's not even about money sometime. It's just I'm ice.

No, I'm going in there to buy it. Regular [ __ ] I just be first. I want to be one of the first ones. Oh, you

actually go yourself. You don't make no phone calls. You don't do none of that. All right. All right. Yeah. Then that's Yeah, that's rich people probably. No.

First first world. First world. First one is like my internet went out. You know what I mean? I can't I can't I can't do online banking. I got to go.

Yeah. Like when I I complain I used to I never complain anybody about it cuz men who who could complain about it too. But

when you go in the subway and you want to do like a a a one swipe pass like in New York a black car for many years was

too thick too thick to get into the the machine. I'm not being funny like he not

being funny. He got Apple Pay now so you're good. But but before you could do a black car

in the subways, but you know in New York everybody take the subway and I lived in Brooklyn so I would take the queue to CNN in fact. So I would just you know

three stops whatever. You ain't going to say nothing. What? Everybody don't take I'm letting him cook. Oh but I'm saying

in New York it's not uncommon to see people True. Got it. Yeah. I don't know. You know, but for me it was like I don't

I lived I lived in Flatbush in Decal. Like it it would have taken me twice as three times as long to get there in a

car as it would be to just jump on the train for three stops. So I would go down and go and your car be in there stuck and you looking around like, "Can

anybody help me?" And you don't want to say that cuz you look like food. So then you just got you just got chalk and I had to go to all the way to the ATM, get

cash or use my debit card. Oh, exactly. That I'm sorry you went through that.

That's one of those problems. That's one of those problems. The internet is a funny [ __ ] too. Oh, anytime it's even

slow. No, cuz guess what happens when you travel a lot and you go certain places and them [ __ ] don't have no

internet or that [ __ ] be borderline dollar. When you come back home and you just be with a hug the router like

yo that's so that's some real [ __ ] That is some real [ __ ] They have GPS in Jerusalem. In East Jerusale GPS? No, I'm

serious. There's no GPS that they took down. You just make a right at the rooster bar

basically. Yes. They like, "Go to Aman's house and make a right." Like, "Where the [ __ ] is Aman?" You know what I mean?

You just be stuck. Yo, that is hilarious, man. Yeah, man. That's a first world problem. Oh, man. The toilet

top covers up too slow. I got another question for y'all. True. That I thought about the other day while I was in the

car with Cory.

What? Just I was in the car with Cory. You scared? Cory put me on some type of

Cory mission and I didn't call my driver. So I guess we had to drive and he thought that meant me driving. No

[ __ ] driving. So Corey drive. I ain't been in a car with Cory since we was on tour. Really driving around. It was like

refreshing to see that Cory still drives like Cory like with reckless abandon.

He don't give a [ __ ] He He drives like a complete nut. And that's good to see

it. Like it's nostalgic almost. It brings me back to tour and him falling asleep driving to wherever he was

driving to. Uh, but it did beg the question,

why do people use the crosswalk with confidence?

Because basically like I [ __ ] hit the [ __ ] out of you. [ __ ] want to cuss.

Especially in New York. They don't give a [ __ ] if a 18-wheeler coming to New York. They stepping off the sidewalk

like they don't give a [ __ ] Green, you stop. Yo, as a driver, I'm not even used

to this crosswalk [ __ ] I I grew up in a sign or a stoplight is going to stop

this vehicle. Not some paint. Maybe maybe not some paint.

So they paint and [ __ ] be driving and somebody walk just dead right out there

and you slap them. Them [ __ ] got the nerve to get an attitude with you. Something like

no buddy. They act like the car would lose in a collision with them.

Yo, Tatum, never mind. And I think that we could change that back. It's just going to take for us to kill one of

them. One of them got one of them got to die to change the whole view of crosswalks

and and and how they act out there. And it got to be deaf cuz people want a case. If you just break their leg and

their arm, they up. Yeah, exactly. I be hoping somebody hit me with a gun in the crosswalk. No, we got to end them. We got in. They too pretentious. Calling

your brother. Yes. Yo, this [ __ ] is stupid. Uh, male

question for you. Cuz you're the only girl here cuz you won't let us hire any more girls because you think we'll hire a girl that's going to jump you. Okay. I

didn't say that, but okay. Go ahead. What's the question? She thinks she's protecting

this [ __ ] Cory, you're not on this show and you don't have a mic and you have to stop

interrupting the broadcast. And again, I said this before this part started. We

got to allow people to be delusional. I'm not just going to interrupt when [ __ ] is delusional. Ma'am, yeah.

If you were dating, if you were not dating, if you were together in a relationship with Jeff Bezos, would you

expect him to be faithful?

Yeah. Yes, I would. Do you think that that is a reasonable

expectation? Yes, I do.

Why? Because if you didn't want to be Are we

talking about marriage here? because he just got married. Slow down. You just together just

together, not married. You got to be together before you get married. Not dating. No, that's that's your boyfriend girlfriend. If we've had conversations

around fidelity and this person has expressed, yes, my in I am intending to

be faithful towards you and then you're not. Well, then that is more than just a

character flaw. You're a [ __ ] liar. No. No. No. We not conversation. He didn't say just take what he said.

You're with Jeff Basos. Y'all are a couple. It ain't been no what you you expect. Do

you expect him to be faithful to you as your man? Yes. Okay. Now, why? And 100%

honest. Well, are we all 100% honest to our significant others? Yep. Yeah. Yeah.

Absolutely. Duh. Yeah. But no, you just said, "Yo, he would be a liar." So, which is a character flaw.

So, I'm just saying. So, you not only expect him to be 100%. I was talking about I

was I was literally talking about that. Like, if if you're asking a direct question, you know, about something very

specific and that's the thing that they lie about, that's that's really [ __ ]

up. No, I'm not disagreeing with you. I agree with you. I'm just saying, but you I would Yes. expect him to run. I do not

think that being extraordinarily wealthy gives you permission to just be

self-absorbed and selfish. Is he paying all your bills? Um I'm I get Is he paying all my bills?

You are married to Jeff Bezos. He's paying Yes. I feel like I've answered this question. I had literally answered

the question and I don't like my answer. That's the bottom line. You don't like my answer. My answer is yes. I would.

That would be my expectation. Yes, that's my expectation. I think that's a reasonable expectation. Yes, that's my

expectation. I stand with Mel on that. Nope. I think I want to hear I want to

hear from you.

Go ahead, Mark. I I think it's reasonable to expect a person to be honest with you in a relationship with.

I think it's what might be less reasonable is assuming that he wants to be faithful. Mhm. So the conversation you

have to have with him if if if he is that person is you have you actually have to force that issue but also be

okay with the answer you don't want. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? I get that. And he asks the question like

there wouldn't be followup questions. I'm [ __ ] me. I wouldn't just be like, "Oh, you're rich. Okay. Whatever comes

with it. I don't give a fuck." Been there, done that. Got the t-shirt, got sweats in it. Sweat stains in it. Gave

it to [ __ ] Goodwill. Been there, done that. I got the people I know who who are in those situations. I'm going to be

yo, your Salvation Army is different. The [ __ ] you talking about? Your

Goodwill is a different Goodwill, my [ __ ] You gave that Ralph Lauren [ __ ] to the Goodwill. This [ __ ] got

different [ __ ] about where you at. What's unfair about this? What's unfair about this question is the person that

we're asking. Not saying you m anything bad. I'm just saying like if we know anything about the It's unfair to ask

male that question. Why? Because if we if based off of her answer,

if we It's just unfair. Like I think it's unfair. I don't think it's unreasonable to ask somebody, do you

expect to be able to trust your husband or your wife or whatever, right? I think I think most people do it one of two

ways. They either have the honest conversation or they do don't ask don't tell, right? Like if I marry a

billionaire, I'm just assuming he's [ __ ] somebody else. I'm not going to ask. And you go through that world. I I

you know, and and and that's kind of what he was saying like the expectation of it like do you think he's going to be

faithful or but see to me that's not about you're right the word faithful was throwing me off cuz to me I I don't want

to equate faithful with non- monogamous with with monogous you get what I'm saying so like

if he says look I'm going to be outside I'm going to do what I do but I'm going to come home every night like Sammy David Davis Junior used say that he used to tell my wife look I love you I'm

going take care of you but I'm going entertain a baby and I'm never going to have a empty bed at night Right. She

just accepted that when he was on the road, it was what it was. Got to be

the [ __ ] is you talking? I mean, who can make this? Yo, but but I wouldn't say he was

unfaithful. Uhhuh. Because he it's informed consent, right? Yeah. Totally.

Or if she say don't tell me like Ray Charles's wife, like don't tell me, right? Don't just don't bring the role

home. Hey yo, I you said it's what? Informed consent.

What is that again? I'm asking seriously. Informed consent is where somebody presents a scenario to

you rather than lying to you. They present the scenario of this is this is

my baseline. This is what like in the Sammy Davids Jr. I'm never going to have an empty bed. And his wife was like, got

it. Okay, cool. And she signed up for that. That's informed consent. cheating would be he never has an empty bed, but

he doesn't tell her and acts like he's not cheating. Would you leave Jeff Bezos if he cheated?

Oh god. And do you have a predub? Cuz I I mean I answer first. No,

I wouldn't. I thought you were answering for her. No, I'm answering for answering for him.

I would. I'd stay, girl. How about you?

You're now watching on the podcast. Yo, [ __ ] stay with Yo, look, I'm I'mma keep it a buck. [ __ ] stay with they

broke girlfriends for cheating. The [ __ ] is we talking about, my [ __ ] I'm

sorry. Um, all of us have been cheated on in state. Well, I can speak to some of us, okay? Have been cheated on in

state. Mel says she'll leave. I never stayed, but they're not above it. They're not acknowledging her lies. All

right, go ahead. You said you you said you would leave Mhm. the the one of the richest people in the world if they

cheated. Yes. Have you ever stayed with somebody who cheated? Yes. So in the

past? Yeah. You you would never do that moving forward. At this stage of my life? Yes. Being

with somebody. What are you [ __ ] cheating for? That's a new question. That's a new

question. We're [ __ ] like I'm sorry. I I'm operating from this stage of my life and and who I believe I would be

entertain relationships with. If you if that's what you're doing, I have sorely

misjudged you and you got to go and all them billions. Yeah. Yeah. Let me get them glasses. No. No. I'm not saying

you're wrong. I'm saying I wouldn't. You're better than me. I'm saying there's a lot of 30 year olds out there.

You know what? If my wife cheated now, I wouldn't be with the [ __ ] 30year-old. Lenn is lying, man. I wouldn't I

probably wouldn't leave anybody if I chose to be with somebody. Like I said, I wouldn't leave my wife right now if she cheated properly. You know, I ain't going to lie to you. I wouldn't. You

know what I mean? I hope she wouldn't just like I wouldn't, but you know what I mean? We neither of us cheat, but like I don't, you know, she might leave. I

wouldn't leave. You know what I mean? If she were Oprah, I wouldn't even consider. I wouldn't even pretend to leave. I wouldn't even slam a door. How

do I know if it's Oprah? How do I even know you cheating? How about that? Why?

Y'all are lying. Yo, I'm half kid. I'm I'm happy. No, no, I'm content. We had this conversation a

little while back and you said at this point you wouldn't leave. Mhm. But I guess some things have changed in the

last couple people grow every day. Sure. No, I said something change every last couple months. I was about to ask why

what what would you what would really be your reason for cheating? Like so I mean for leaving. So if you were happy in

these other areas and [ __ ] just got some side box, you would just be like, "Yo, you violated our trust, so I'm out." That's her line. Everybody got

their line. Yeah. Yeah. I'm asking Melissa. Well, I'm answering for her and I know what you're talking about. At one

I did say that I did say that cheating wouldn't be um a deal breaker at this

age you. Yeah, at this age. She just be pardoning. Bro,

she just be pardoning. We catching live every day. I try to leave her alone, but she just be pardoning. [ __ ] I wouldn't

necessarily say that it's a [ __ ] lie. I don't think sometimes you just feel different. I wouldn't Yeah, I wouldn't

necessarily say that it's a lie. What does that come with? Age sometimes. I mean, I'm asking you sometimes. You say

something on the podcast. Sometimes I'm sorry, man. I'm sorry, Mark. I want to ask you a question. If I come here and

say, "Yo, if my wife cheat on me, I'm not leaving." Right. A month pass and I

come on the same broadcast with the same people and say, "If my wife cheat on me, I'm now leaving." Do you attribute that?

And what do you attribute that to? like something might have trans sometime you're conflicted like when I

when I pointed out contradictions for you you'll be like that's just how I feel or I know I said that I said this

the only contradiction is for me to be facicious but if it's not for me yeah I understand what you're saying I'm sorry

hold on and the distinction here is marriage I said that about marriage he's

talking about am I in a relationship with this person the distinction because I asked are we married with that you did

I kept asking are we married. So, if I've gone down the aisle, we've created a life and now this person's cheated and

what we're 10 years in. Yeah. More likely than not, I'm going to take some serious consideration again. Like, I'm

not going to be like, "Yeah, absolutely. I'm [ __ ] out the door." No, I would not be that easily, you know? So, you're

not pressed to put any cheating clauses in a in a prenup or any compensation packages? No, I

don't want no prenup. It's It's about love. It's about love. Well, I guess we should start there

because I don't know if you want a prenup and we're not interviewing you. I'm I'll be done with my line of questioning. When it come when it comes to people of high net worth, there's

always going to be a prenup. Woman or man? What if they put it on you? Do you want a prenup? Yes or no? Yes. You want

one? Yes. Okay. Yes, I do. Nice. So, if you marry Jeff Bezos, you want a prenup?

There's going to be a prenup. No, but the question was if it were put on you, if you were the decider of said prenup between you and Jeff Bates, that word

soup [ __ ] don't don't always work, girl. You got What would you say? Sometimes you're faced with a direct question.

Stop. I know. All right, Mel. Let's do it. [ __ ] like I'm Jeff Bezos. That [ __ ] like camels. I'm Jeff Bezos. Mel, do you

want a prenup before we get married? It's up to you.

Where What are you talking about? Where are you looking at? Leave her alone in here. I guess I just It's because you're

you're you're presenting the most ludicrous scenario that you want me to

answer and that's [ __ ] weird to me. You know what I'm saying? It's we in no

world new universe. Let's say it's not fair enough. Let's say it's not Jeff Bezos. Let's say it's Jeff Martinez

who's worth $10 million and he said again, Melissa,

do you want a prenup? I pumped your ass.

Yeah, that's her. That's her answer. Leave alone. Yeah, that's it. I'm done. There

we go. I'm done. Oprah says big is you want a prenup? No. I mean, not really,

but it's up to you, girl. I don't think I need no prenup. I don't

ever see this anyway. We here for your final decision, but if you asking me, I

don't think we need that. That ain't even necessary cuz that prenup because of because of Bezos's uh prenup. They

spoke about on the news last week. They said it's ironclad, hundreds of pages. All the best lawyers in the world

drafted this up. Yeah, it might it might you get if I cheat, you get

for a [ __ ] happy meal. You get [ __ ] Let me let me add another

layer though. She's getting a lot. Let's assume prenups are like everybody going to do a prenup to male cuz I think male's right. Nobody want any money that

kind of money. What if they say I want you to do an NDA? Are you do you do the NDA? What are the

terms of the NDA though? Um you can never write a tell. You can never talk about our relationship. You can never

talk about me our relationship. If we separate you can't say anything about me or this relationship

compensation package attached to that cuz that's that that's the end run. Then we use the mask because that's the in run off and around the prenup is I'll

sign a prenup but I'm not signing an NDA and then when I get out I'm going to write this book and make $40 million from it anyway. I say is there a

conversation tonight cuz all right he a rat. It's my cousin. I ain't going to

say which cousin but he he he was dating uh he's ratilly [ __ ] He's not from

Philly. Oddly enough he's from Jersey. You probably know him. Matter of fact, I

don't know no rats. Go ahead. He he he was he was dating this a very very well-known singer and um she moved him

out, flew him out to LA, let him live there. He quit his job. He did all this [ __ ] and then after like two months she

was done with this [ __ ] Um and she put him out and it was her crib, her house,

her car, all this [ __ ] He was looking like a bum. But he was like, "I need some money." She was like, "Fuck off."

And he was like, "Say less. I'm about to write." He went and got an agent the next day and was about to write a book.

and she broke him off so that he wouldn't write. And so the NDA was the way to get around that. And I'm seeing a

lot more people do that now. And this was dude, you know, I don't know if I married somebody the same way I couldn't

imagine doing a prenup for me in my situation. I couldn't imagine asking my significant other to do an NDA. But if

you're a public figure, it's something you got to think about. You're a public figure. You're super famous. Would you

would you do an NDA? Would you ask for an NBA from your partner? Would I ask for in marriage? Uh, let him go write a

little book, man. Go ahead. Get your little book off, girl.

If I'm doing a freedom, I'm doing India. Okay. If I'm doing a freedom, I'm doing it. Some people don't even think about that. Yeah. I You This is a first for

me. I never heard that people do that. Yeah, man. You ain't thought about none of the [ __ ] that come with marriage yet.

My NDA. I've never thought of an NDA. I I never know. You're always trying to make [ __ ] be funny, and I'm being for

real. It's [ __ ] hilarious. That's funny, [ __ ] You can pretend it's not, but it is. Yeah, you know what it is. You know what he doing with ass [ __ ] I

didn't know people have NDAs for their marriages. I didn't know that. Do you know the guys wear tuxes?

Why you doing that? And the girl you'll never get. What do you see about

it, man? Like I'm fine. What you doing to my man? Yo, you're not doing nothing to me. What do you see?

Talk about I don't like

[Applause] They just [ __ ] around. Be married already. Exactly. That is entirely

possible. Mhm. He does this blink [ __ ] Yo,

blink one of these two. It's thinking, "Fuck y'all. I don't give a [ __ ] about y'all." I don't even Yeah,

I ain't listen to that [ __ ] Don't give a [ __ ] about us. Freeze. Did you do an NDA for the marriage? Yeah. No. No.

Would you would you do a prenup? If you were if you were uh like super super super famous and up

there, it makes sense. Things would change if I'm up there. I ain't up there. So he When you get married, are

you going to dye your beard? No, I'm being serious. Or shaving. No. Freeze is she don't want me shaving my

beard. Freeze is a lover, man. Like he yo have everything. What's that's that's his intro to love. Yo, what's mine is

yours. You got He's a He's a lover. He don't give a [ __ ] about none of that [ __ ] He don't want you to go, [ __ ] He

watches your every move. He got the air tags on your car. He don't want you to do nothing, [ __ ] Have all my [ __ ]

Freeze don't share a charger, man. You don't

You get your own [ __ ] Freeze. That that confidence that you

have of being a lover, like being out there, does that make you feel away? Like, you know, cuz [ __ ] going to laugh. So many [ __ ] going to laugh. I

don't care. Look at it different, right? I don't look at anything differently. I don't [ __ ] can laugh. Got you. You

just feel like you just I'm just I just love what I love. I'm just me. I give my

Don't bother me. All right, cool, man. I'm this and that. I ain't got nothing else for your You a lover, too, my

[ __ ] I wear my heart on my sleeve. I thought I said that last part. You said that, but you don't Your [ __ ] come with

your heart on your sleeve is a little bit different. Trust your sleeve. Trust your sleeve. All over. Anywhere it can

be attached. I wear my heart everywhere. You know, not to make me the best man at

your [ __ ] Your wife will cry, [ __ ] That's That speech going to be one of them. No, no. I'm I'm I'mma set a

record. I'm spilling. I'm spilling it all. You don't have nothing to spill. You empty your cut glasses mad. Empty.

I'm spilling it all. You don't have to. I remember when I first met Boy the Times. People don't like to. Hey, once I

hit that boy the time, you just you should go to the start calling yours out. I think you I think it was Oh, a

[ __ ] Yeah. Yeah. [ __ ] start looking at you like, "No, I'm not." Is that pressure though? Like when we talk about

marriage and talk about things with your girl, you cuz she watches the pod. Does do y'all have those conversations? Like

say if we come up here and we talk about your issue when you get married and [ __ ] like that, does that add any pressure? Does she talk to you about it? Is he

already married? Is that all for real? That's interesting. N somebody might

make a comment or something. She be like, "What what what they was talking about with such and such?" I explain it. That'd be it. But no [ __ ] that's com

like that's easy to understand. No, that's what it means. If if it were

actual issue in your life, it may double down. But if it's not an issue that you're dealing with, then it doesn't. You know what I mean? That's what I'm

saying. Cuz if like like if every day you were getting pressure to get married and then people show like why you not married, then that could that be

different. It's possible. Yeah. But that's what I'm saying. But some people get influenced by comments and reading and watching. That's true. If one of my

wife friends see hear me say something on the podcast and it gets to her ears, even if I didn't have an issue with it,

she's going to ask me about it. Yeah. Discuss this with me. Now, me, I'm like, man, I don't have to just tell her refer to Yeah, that's performance. That [ __ ]

don't work all the time. That don't work all the time. That performance getting that [ __ ] off. It's crazy. I'm impressed. Yeah. That wouldn't work in

my house. No, it it don't work all the time. It don't work. I mean to the the unmarried ones, do

y'all who's the person that if they stood up to give a speech at your wedding, you'd be like, "Oh [ __ ] I know

everybody got one." Like, if that person stand up and it's like, "This [ __ ] about to do some bullshit."

I shouldn't have no ex's at my wedding. So, be safe on that front.

Be safe on that front. No, you just get a little nervous. That's all. Get a little What this [ __ ] going to say?

Yeah, it's a lot of people. Well, I thought about having the first best manless wedding anyway. So,

hey, all you [ __ ] reaching for a mic.

[Laughter] My baby mom last week text me said, "Yo,

text me some [ __ ] about our son that we love." and then was like, "Yo, and send that money for swimming or therapy or

whatever the [ __ ] she said." I don't know. I dubbed that [ __ ] That's how she talked to you. The next

day she hit me about whatever we was talking about loving our kid. I hit her

back. We had that talk. Soon as soon as it ended, she talking about something

and I I said something about that money.

I ag

[Laughter] forget that money now. Send that. Yeah.

Ain't going to be no best, man. You [ __ ] can sit sit down right at table. Eight.

Hey. Hey. All you jokesters, I put y'all at the same little table. Crack it. Crack it up. Got some more derves

coming. Huh? How many groomsmen you going to have? groomsmen. Yeah.

You either got to have a very small number for you, I think, or a very big number. No, it ain't going to be a lot of people. It ain't going to be a lot.

Otherwise, you got to make cuts. You know what I mean? There there's a homie who thinks he's in the top four. Well, that's why I don't even want Yeah. I'm

not a groomsman. Oh, brother. I've been to something called a

gentleman's wedding. I thought that you've been to something called

You know what? Go ahead. What is that? Uh, it was where there was 14 groomsmen

and she had a matron of honor and that was it. Huh?

That's interesting. But I think I think she [ __ ] made it up. My frat brother, my line brother, he had uh he had about

he had about he definitely had double digit groomsman, but and his wife I guess she had like maybe three or four

now that you mentioned it. But I thought that I didn't really think about it more. Again, it was hard to make the cut. Like if you cut it down to one, you like I'm taking my brother or I'm taking

my best friend. When you get to four or five, it's like MySpace. You get that top eight, people start feeling the way

you you can accept not being in the top four, but like if you make a top eight, top 10, you start feeling like I ain't want I want to get 10, right? Like damn,

that's where it get tough. Yeah. I don't know if I want to see a whole bunch of [ __ ] at on my side at

the wedding. I was deep. I had 10 or 12. I forget. It was a lot. Hard

to make. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, you had a lot at least a rough. Yeah. Huh?

You heard people like you. I told you why I didn't ask you. Wait, hold up. Hey, hey, hey. I told you I didn't ask

you to. Wait, buddy. I didn't say a word. I wanted to ask you, but I want to make it awkward. Why? Why? Why wasn't he

one? Because there's [ __ ] that activities and things you have to do as a groomsman that I thought there would be. He wouldn't He wasn't going to want

to do that. I'm just saying it looked beautiful from where I was seated.

bleeds. Got it. I had a [ __ ] up spot at at

Park's wedding cuz I was in the back trying to be low, but P and showbiz and them [ __ ] was in the back. P kept

asking me to come take pictures of him and the old school [ __ ] Yeah, you young [ __ ] right? I didn't say no to P

yet. So, I just kept running over there. All right. Then the old [ __ ] want to check the pictures, take it again. It's

like then they missed the wedding. Damn, [ __ ] You little [ __ ] You

getting the first invite to my wedding. Am I? Yeah. Thank you. You and Daisy. Plus ones,

huh? Are you doing plus ones? For sure. Yeah, definitely.

That's where all the fun happens. The plus one. That's where the chaos. Throw a little

chaos in the mix. Plus one.

I'll be mad when we doing the part and I look over to the kitchen and see somebody plus

I can imagine my face at a wedding plus one is tough. Yeah. What else do we want

to talk about? I want to congratulate uh Westside Gun on his collaboration with uh Sakone. Them Sakone shits with the

crab on the side. The red joints look absolutely fire. I didn't even see him.

Congratulations. Big move. He just continues to break barriers. He's got a [ __ ] wrestling

company. Mhm. He's got all types of [ __ ] So, shout out to Westside Gun. That sneaker does look hard. It does

look hard. Uh what else? What else needs our attention in music? Music. Anything in music. I know we just been sitting

here shooting the [ __ ] Last night was a underwhelming underwhelming release night. Yeah, it was. It wasn't really

too much. So, AP Rocky put a single out. Interesting choice for for a single. Very like down tempmpo. Yeah, I Is that

Rocky going to hear my mouth? If Rihanna ain't as cool as she was before him. Wait till I hear Rihanna's song that's

not on the soundtrack. You're not going to hear that? I don't think I am either. Yeah, I don't think I am. I'm taking the

budget. All right, I'll do the give y'all a little record over there. That's it. I ain't I didn't listen. I didn't I

didn't I didn't I didn't see much that drop. So yeah, J dropped a fourack. A

lot of rapping. A lot of rapping. It's cool. A lot of rapping. Him and Eminem got a song on there. It's just like 100

plus BPF. A lot of lot of rapping. Oh, lot of

rapping. Did y'all shout out El Cool J for his his public stance? Not at all.

Wow. On the Welcome to America festivals in Philly. Loo publicly said he's not

showing up to the concert. He's not performing because the workers are on strike and he's not going across the picket line. So just salute the LL for

standing in solidarity with the workers. Shout out to Yeah, that's that's actually that's dope. It's super dope.

Yeah. Oh yeah. Shout out to Well, when you take them stances, what

you say? I said when you up, you can take them. I about to say it's a little bit easier when you Yeah. probably ain't want to go anyway. Yeah. He had a busy

summer plan anyway. It's not too big of a deal. Hey, you know, real real quick

speaking about I went to Rock the Bells the other day, right? And my first time

seeing a lot of these [ __ ] perform on stage, but M OP the crowd went crazy for M OP. Yo, they kind of [ __ ] me up. No,

I know. Listen, rap. They went No, because I never saw them perform. They got like classics. No, I'm just saying

the crowd. You saw you saw it in New York. You saw Yeah, I saw the credential. No, listen what I'm saying. When I met

them [ __ ] yo, you I went viral with JR because of their record and they said we just saw that. It was just But I had

to let them know like, "Yo, y'all fire for real." I'm sorry.

For the rest of the day. I mean, I'd love to record. I'm just shocked that you're shocked that it won't be No, I

just didn't. Wait till you hear about Run DMC. Yo, no. No, no, no. You want to be funny.

There's this group called Bob Deep. Yo, no. Listen. I'm talking about when you Cuz there's a lot of other performancees

that happen that nobody really got up for. That's what I mean. The whole crowd got up. People perform. I don't want to

say it, but people perform when [ __ ] were just sitting there. When when MP performed, I was just impressed like, "Oh [ __ ] the whole crowd got up and

seat walking down." Yeah, I was impressed by it. You're amazing. So, I keep talking about the Caribbeans that

are making their bones in the culture, but don't really know about the culture like that. I keep saying that, but just

keeps getting overlooked. You got choked. You don't know about [ __ ] Yo, but you understand you understand what

I'm saying. You are culturally inappropriate, huh? I don't know about MP before. I'm going keep it real. Annie up and all that [ __ ] I didn't know

about them before that to be honest. So, I'm out of line. I wasn't in touch really. But we have to go back to a

world no disrespect to you. We have to go back to a world. This is disrespect to me. Yes. Those people that didn't

know. Just shut the [ __ ] up. If I'm dead now, they could say, "Yo, you know what?

Get up. Yo, get up, [ __ ] Mo, they're good. No, you know,

not the worst. Not the worst.

There's a lot of There's a lot of people I grew up on when they performed, the crowd at the Predential Center did not were not as excited. When MP performed,

oh [ __ ] JR, look, I recorded. I'm like, look, the [ __ ] coming down the stairs. I said, these [ __ ] is lit. All right,

stop watch your [ __ ] mouth. I know M OP when they got signed to Rockefeller and then when Gunit I listen that's the

time I was listen what up Billy what up T you don't like to teach [ __ ] you

don't like to make fun of [ __ ] [ __ ] and if I feel a way after this [ __ ] come out [ __ ] I'm throwing subs at you on in on Twitter rest in peace swear to god

I'm doing a spaces about you [ __ ] your subs don't mean nothing if you don't know M O

like subs hurt to me when [ __ ] knew MP the mob

gangstar Uh, if you don't know those people, then my [ __ ] know me nothing. You know them. You know Gangstar, right?

I do. Okay, cool. Yeah. Huh? I do. What? No, you don't. Can you name Can

you name two gangstar songs? No. Can you name one? Um,

no. Okay. They did. No. Hold on. They came back. But you've heard You just heard the word gang and star in a

sentence before. No. No. No. You being funny again, boy. No. I'm I'm I'm riding. I got you. But you can name two

John Cena songs now. Oh my god. You know more John Cena

than Gangstar. That's crazy. Didn't Gangstar come out again? Um they had a record that I forgot. No, that's Miles

and South. My fault. Uh yo. All right. That's disrespectful. Yo, Joe, please.

Can we unplug his bike? That was crazy. Hold on. That was wild, bro. Somebody passed away from Gangster. No. Check on

your own time. Don't go. Yeah, you can research on flip the network time. Watch your [ __ ] come back with your

findings. Like we would love to hear from you. Why would you make fun of your man if I say that? But if if I I was impressed that OP got up. I'm shocked

that you me and you and I became friends. What did y'all talk about? My god. Damn.

That's crazy. All right. I All right. [ __ ] you

[ __ ] man. That [ __ ] is mean. Yeah, you know you got to close out with some

M OP. This guy, bro. Help him out a little. Yeah, something a little bit. I fell

away. I fell away. You should. It's okay. We got about eight more hours before close out. Don't worry about it.

We just said before we do though, you got you got you got to get him right. Yeah. Yeah. Cuz then he going to say, "I know this.

I know gangstar is now my fault. I

got slip my Of course I do. Why you even say that, Paul? Why you set me up like that? I ain't set you up. You want Ian

to be upset at me, please. I ain't going to lie. My boy My boy Mark has made a

lot of money since this Diddy verdict has gotten announced. I was going to toss it to you cuz I know we had the

discussion without you to see if you had anything you wanted to say. But since the verdict has been announced, Mark has

been on an absolute live stream tear. Yeah. 11,000. And because I support Mark

Lamont, I clicked in one of them shits. I wasn't in there for more than 3

seconds before I seen some [ __ ] named Doug send up $24.99. Mark, oh, thanks so

much, brother. You have no idea how Thank you, brother. And as he was thanking Doug, another little ching

ching papa $5.99. Oh, thank you so much. Uh, sister Lamont me, me and her work

together at the ministry, uh, some of the youth houses we went around to speak to. Then it was another ching. I was

like, yo, this [ __ ] is just sitting here. You have no idea. You have

no idea how much this sincerely means to me. Yeah. With that big fake humble fake spill. What's your spill? I don't have a

spill, man. I'm just grateful to the people, man, for independent black media, man. There's a lot of people in your [ __ ] too. 11,000 12,000 I was

like, you count. Damn. Yeah, I did. I have to. Oh, you don't have to. I am. I

am. I ain't mad at it. Look, I don't I put my list of numbers. It's not about who there. You know who they are. Like,

just doing your job. I'm just doing my It's about the message. Giving a message to the people. Do you want to speak about the justice that was served?

You know, I've had more time in the last 48 hours to like look at the details of the case and to think about it more. And

I'm I'm just as conflicted as I was before, but in a different way. You know, I I believe

that he met the legal standard for guilty for all of them. I still do. And the more I look, the more I feel that

way. Um, but I also hate the RICO thing,

right? Like I said weeks ago, like that's a overreach. It's used to get the wrong people. It was meant for the mafia. it wasn't meant for this. Um,

ultimately, do I think he's guilty of the prostitution crime? Of course. I mean, I think that was the easy. We all said that was like the the layup. That

was the easy one. Um, but now he's looking at potentially 20 years for that. As an abolitionist, I don't even

think prostitution should be illegal. So, I damn sure don't think somebody should be getting 20 years. As a Virgo,

I don't think it should be illegal. As a person, I was illegal. The guy's a man.

So, I'm in this place where, and this is this is why I don't like the prison as the measure of accountability. That's

why I don't this is why I'm I'm largely against prisons cuz Diddy needs a lot of accountability. He needs a lot do a lot

of repair. He's hurt a lot of people. He's harmed a lot of people. But putting him in 20 in prison for 20 years for

prostitution potentially is the max to me doesn't even address the people he harmed. So, I'm in this place where I if

if they gave him time served or a year and a day, he basically came home. um that wouldn't feel like justice to

people and I get that because I get that why it wouldn't. But him sitting in a cage for

20 years also doesn't look like justice to me. So to me, this is one of the situations where I just don't know what what justice looks like. I don't know

what what winning looks like. Um and part of the problem is because the state did what the state does, which is that

it overreaches, it criminalizes. It takes it, you know, it takes what could be civil problems and makes them

criminal. take it does all these things and and they become the decider of what justice is and and clearly as we saw in

this case one they didn't do a very good job and two they're not good deciders. So yeah I I I don't have any answers as

much to say I'm just I hate all of it and I'm conflicted by all of it you know. All right. So

in better words free the homie. I ain't saying that that's what you're saying the homie is free. Mhm. He is neither

the homie nor free you had his number you deleted his number. No, I delete his

number. We ain't talking anyway. Just making sure. Oh, he might have something to say to you. No, he got something to

say to Ter. Did you see Tay cop please? Oh, you already. Okay. I was like, that [ __ ] he he's I don't even want to I'm

an abolitionist. [ __ ] you ain't never been abolitionist now. Now everybody abolitionist line. He don't want that smoke. You know, Tori said it was just

journalism. He was just covering, right? Covering the story. He said, "I don't have an investment in who wins or who

loses. I didn't care if he was guilty or innocent." I'm like, "Did you I 18 months ago, he was like, "He's guilty.

He needs to be guilty. He needs to be in the jail forever." He spoke highly about you, tore. Yeah, that's my man. I'm

[ __ ] I already texted him to [ __ ] with him about it. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's my guy. I mean, we we we're

actual friends in real life, but he's still shook right now. He's still ducking. I already teased him about it.

You think there's a world where Puff start pulling up on people that he he didn't like their commentary? 1,000%.

Yeah. Uh, yeah. There's definitely a war where it happens. You better keep going to the gym. I'll be in the gym regardless because health is wealth.

Okay. Well, whatever. No, I'm just saying he

going to be in there for a year. He in shape. Listen, you might you might need to win. Listen, they they can keep me

out of it. I don't want nothing to do with nothing. The internet just like trying to put me in [ __ ] so they could

tear me down. I'm cool. Joe, say something. I can't believe you said something. Who the [ __ ] is cheating?

Nope. I don't have an opinion on [ __ ] What was on that story? When the stories

broke, I came over and said, "Hey, listen to podcast." Boy, they tore me up when I said, "Oh [ __ ] are you scared

about?" They told me I was just trying to tell people, "Hey, they get tablets." You know,

they just thought he wasn't coming home. [ __ ] start getting confident cuz they was like, you know, I don't give a [ __ ] He can hear. I'll say what I want to say

that too. Hey, what y'all going to do when he when he come home in the event that they don't lock him up forever? I said all this. Mhm. But I don't think he

comes home on [ __ ] I don't I think he comes home to continue to do the work or start to

do the work if he didn't. I hope so. Yeah, that I do think that. But that that pull up on Ter could have been read

two ways. It could have been read as, "Hey brother, there's really nothing to worry or particularly since you could have just not said anything. I know what

you said. It got back to me and I'm letting this is my way of letting you know that I know. Right. That's all.

Yeah. So, old school gangster [ __ ] That is old school gang. That's what I'm saying. It didn't make me feel like he's on the road to recovery when I heard

that. I was like, you still much love, right? There you go. Yep. Love, brother.

Tell that brother there's no beef between us. Yeah. Mhm.

Much love. Oh, man. Mhm. So you don't feel anything

needs to be expounded upon with regards to how you feel? Say more outside of

just the the prison. You don't believe it belongs in prison, but you don't really believe that he should have been

not held accountable. The problem is I don't believe the prison can ever hold people accountable. Gotcha. You know what I mean? So the question for me was

if I were the juror, what would I decide? If they gave him three years, I could live. You would think that was

fair. Yeah. Oh, that that that's that sounds about right. Got you. Got you. Got you. Anything more than three. To be honest, if I were the judge right now, I

would give him a year and a day on each count on each one. Yeah. Like Yeah. So

consecutive. Not consecutive. Yeah. Or two years to whatever. Like he would do two years. He would have already done one and I do. I just I just Would you

have given him a bail? Josh, what would be the point?

Would I give him a bail? That's an interesting again. I don't really believe in bail. That's why that's

that's as me as me. Yeah, I gave him bail. Okay. Um the only time I think bail should be used honestly is if

someone was a flight risk or a risk to harm people. Now you could argue that he is but the problem with that is he

wasn't found guilty of that. So now you're now you're using the law for something he didn't you know I mean you

can't say well he blew up Cut's car so you can't let him out. He didn't legally didn't blow up cut. So that's a good point. I never even thought about that.

In the very beginning of the case you can say yo he's a potential harm to people. But now that the case has been

completed, you can't say, "Yo, dog, he's a harm to people because he has that's a good one." But here's what the judge

said about that. But here's what the judge said about that real quick. The judge said in the trial, he's already

admit even though he wasn't charged with it, he admitted to being violent and these things in the testimony that that

the the the defense even conceded that. But that's a slippery slope and a very dangerous because that's saying that

basically if he if you give him a year and a day right you that 367th day if

you held him based on the fact that he is violent and commit these acts I mean could potentially commit these acts that

don't stop on the 380th day and that's where the state will rely on the lie that they're rehabilitative that if we

put him in jail for a year he'll be corrected and then he'll come out okay but we can't let him out until we fix him and prison don't fix nobody that's a

contradiction that's that's Bush. That's the argument that they're going to make. You know what I mean? So you you said

what what what would be the point in him getting bail? Well, I mean like if he's going to be sentenced to go to jail

anyways. You've been to jail? I've been Yeah. Yeah. Well, no, not jail. Well, wait, hold on. Maybe jail. Yeah. Well,

my point is if you after after a year of of jail or prison, I promise you if somebody say you're out to October after

a week of sitting in a room. What? A year, [ __ ] after 4 days and

somebody said, "Yo, you could go home for 4 months, but you might have to come back because 16 minutes." We were

literally talking about the fact that they're moving sentence sentencing up to this month. So, yeah. So, that has not

been decided. That has not been decided. There's a hearing to see if October is still the official date. So, that's the

only that's the only reason why what I was basing it off of, not for anything else. But again, even if it were next

week, bro, if they told me, "Yo, you going to get a new bell hearing at the end of July. This is the beginning of

July. [ __ ] send me the [ __ ] home where I could get some real food and hug my kids and do all of the other things I

know." Yeah. Like, what are we talking about, Mel? Mhm. You get a call from an unknown number tomorrow.

No. Prison/Jail. That's what it say on the cell phones now. No, no, no. I ain't saying it's public. I'm saying it's an

associate calling you saying that upon release hot and bothered is the very

first place that Puff wants to stop to give his how he's feeling, his state of

mind, what he's thinking. Actually, he's not sure he'll even do any more interviews, but he wants to

stop at hot and bothered to get this out. That's possible.

Your questions up here are like they're tough. It's tough. Yo, I ain't going to lie. For some reason, questions up here

are tough. It's not an easy question for me to answer, honestly. Really? Yeah.

It's not an easy question for you to answer honestly or not easy question for you to answer.

That's a very important. It's not easy for me to a question for me to answer,

comma, honestly. Got you. That was funny. Well played, sir. Good one. Mhm.

Should we come back to you? Yeah, come back to me. Flip. You know my answer. Oh, you what? Yo,

you know what? Can we pick him up? So, Jr. Jr. will be right there to JR.

Question. Nico. Nah. No. Nah, I'm cool.

Mark. Well, I think given our new situation, I have some say in this because I need I need a little

percentage of that interview. Yes, you would you would want the interview to get done. If it's on this network, I

need it to get done. I got bills to pay. But oh, my if if he said, "Mark, I want you to be the person to do it." Um, I

mean, I'd be a little nervous as a setup. Man, you going to dust that suit off? Oh, yes. The answer is yes. I'm not

intending the delivery. Nervous as a setup. What's the setup? What's the setup? Ass open. Yeah. I've been

critical enough of Puff that I would be worried that if two guys put up in a limo like, "Hey, we're going to take you to the interview," I might end up like

Joe Peshy again. You know what I mean? Like, you know, and that's what's so funny is that everybody has the same

idea that cross him and then there's repercussions and consequences. Yeah.

Now, I haven't crossed him just to be clear in case anybody listen. I haven't crossed him. Yeah. I don't think nobody got the idea.

I think that some people just we're literally we were literally just discussing it like 3 seconds ago in

reference to Tore and who else whoever else out about him. Yeah, they made a

joke about it. I'm teasing, but it's something that has it's it been a cross idea for a very long time. It did not

cross I wasn't worried about nothing crazy happened. If anything, if I had if Puff had issues with something I said, he would

we would he would tell me privately. We would be in a private space and he would it would be dealt with whatever way it got dealt with. But

Okay. You'll be happy. Yeah.

I'm [ __ ] glass. I'll be like glass Joe.

I'll be right in line right behind stairs. Sto. No. But um y'all would do the interview. I I think I I think as a journalist I

feel like who better? Yeah. Yeah. Somebody's got to ask tough questions. And somebody

from our culture. Yeah. That that would be my concern. There are people who I wouldn't, but he wouldn't. He would be somebody I would. Gotcha. Okay. There's

things I want to know. And I'm not confident that someone else will answer ask him. Got it. Now, if they tell you don't ask us ABCD, D, then I'm out. Got

it. I'm probably out. Maybe. Did you have you decided yet?

Yeah. um under the same circumstances. If I was not hobbled by not by you can't

ask this, you can't ask that, then yes, there would be some extraordinarily hard questions that I would want answers

to. Um but if I was told that there was limitations, absolutely not. I have I

would have zero interest. Even if you knew you get 50 million views, yes, cuz you would.

Okay. I respect that. Both of y'all. Y'all both have way more integrity than I do. Even with all the B.

I'll be Har [ __ ] I'd be doing a Harlem shake in the video. Take

this for a second. Even with all the danger that he's caused to women out

there. Those would be my hard-hitting questions. My that would be primarily

all my questions. But would you be afraid as a woman? No.

Okay. Get security. Bring the bear. Have flip up there. No,

I'm not going to be You won't go to one of them. No. You said no. I would go. Thank you. I

appreciate that. Um, no. I don't think that I would be fearful. [ __ ] y'all up.

I mean, Puff. Hey yo, Puff.

Girl, what happened? I was in the bathroom. Hands on you. I guess I got to do the

interview now. Come to Night Cat. Yo,

welcome to Night School. I don't think, like I said, I think Puff is coming out to do do some work. I hope

so. I think he's coming out to do some work. You sit that long, you you you hear a judge deny you a $50 million bail

package. If you throw yourself in these situations where money and status don't really help, you start to appreciate

things differently. I agree. But what does he look like two I agree with all that. What does he look like two years from now? Cuz sometime people feel like

that year one that feeling wears off back. Yeah. Everything wears off though. Yeah. Now you feel untouchable now. And

that's what I'm saying. Cuz if I was him, I might feel real good about myself right now. Body, bro. That's not How could you not How How could you not feel

good about yourself, right? But you still But you still recognize the power. two years he'll be recogniz

than than shorty do which is part of what the problem is. Yeah, that's true. Is that how how how America feels about

DV is different from how America wants people to think it feels about DV. I

agree. That's real. I think and I think that's based on the commonality. I think like a lot of more lot especially like

some of my friends that are in law enforcement, they like yo cop friends. You got friends in law enforcement?

Yeah. You You got friends with a badge, [ __ ] No, I don't. You do? But we we

spoke about you. I don't speak to them if they have a badge. All right. Anyway, who you talking to? I don't speak to

[ __ ] All right, you got it, bro. So, look, my man was like, "Yo, he he was a uh cop in like an affluent community in

New Jersey." He said, "Yo, a ton of their calls are DV calls. Like, cops,

judges, a lot of them be beating their wives asses, my [ __ ] Like a lot of people in law enforcement really are

some of the biggest perpetrators of domestic violence about cops. I I had talked to a cop

before and he was like, "Yo, the worst day is Christmas morning and majority of it is DV calls. The worst day they deal

you like not New Year's running down all the holidays where you think the calls will be the most. It's Christmas

morning." Yep. I didn't get that gift. I saw that. Yeah. One person feel like I did more for you than you in a DV

situation. He was like, "Yo, this is awful." Constant disgusting Christmas morning. This is disgusting. So, yeah.

Yeah. I think more people um even women, I think more people go through or are

victims of domestic violence than they would let on. Yeah. Cuz you living under disguise of this happy marriage, this

happy family, you're not leaving, so you don't even want to tell anybody. Yeah. Yeah. So, I I I think that [ __ ] are a

little bit more sympathetic to it than they would let on. And thank you guys for that. We were having a conversation

last night on on Night School uh about kink and you little freaky over after

midnight. Yeah. After school and we were talking about in in context of Diddy

like there was a lot of king shaming that happened in his in his trial and a lot of to me the prosecution's case

partially rested on that assuming that we be so disgusted. We make him a deviant and then we put deviants in

jail. So what what he wants on his nipples, what he likes to do here, who he likes to bring into it. Do you think

that the country has matured because of this at all? No. Kink or gotten or or or

the opposite taken a step back. You know what I mean? I think they've progressed. You think so?

I think that like to your point, I think the prosecution thought we were going to paint him to be this sexual

deviant deviant and that was going to really carry our case. when you start

talking about the things that he was doing cuz middle America and a lot of America even even not even middle

America [ __ ] be fronting about what they doing in their bedroom my [ __ ] Yeah. A lot of [ __ ] be fronting men

especially about what they doing in their bedroom. So they thought it was going to carry it and didn't carry it because I think that's the I think you

hit the nail on the head. I think the lesson is that's what he does for a living.

Sorry. My bad. dead jokes.

Ain't nobody hammers nothing no more on the head. You screw guns ass. But go

ahead. Yeah. No, but I I think that's part of it is that I think they underestimated how many people do the [ __ ] that Puff do. Mhm. And that's the

part I didn't think about either. You know what I mean? A lot of people like, "Oh [ __ ] if that's illegal, what the [ __ ] have I been doing?" Or if that's freaky, what the [ __ ] have I been doing?

And that was the point that I was trying to make earlier about the fact him having the trial here in um New York.

Oh, never mind. Would I miss him? Mel just be lying on the points that she make.

But we love her so we don't say nothing. No, I did say that. I did say the lives

of people here in New York are very adventurous, exciting, like we see a lot

of [ __ ] So something like what came out in trial wouldn't necessarily phase

them. Right. Like wife swapping. What do you call it? Um I did say I did say that. Swinging is what I was going for.

cooking too. I mean I I don't I didn't know much about cooking but as I n what I heard

[ __ ] like

you wing my man king is insane. Oh man. No, but like as I learned as the thing I

learned about it wasn't just that I I found out what it was as a term, but more like I was more interested that on

like the internet and even you know on shows and platforms people like oh yeah I'm into that or I love educated people

talking about sex. I think I learned about cooking in my research research.

No just it's mad fascinating to me like I I wonder if the as a society we may have turned the corner on this [ __ ] like

people might actually be more open cuz like when I was growing up like people acted every dude act like eating ass was

like the craziest [ __ ] they ever did. Everybody pretend [ __ ] eating [ __ ] was No, eating [ __ ] was the start, right?

Eat [ __ ] [ __ ] How did Huh? How old? 46. Yeah. So like in my teenage years was like eating [ __ ] Everybody

pretended they didn't eat [ __ ] You were all eating, you know what I mean? Everybody who was having sex was eating [ __ ] Like it's just you just were. And then in the 20s, wait, you weren't? I'm

older than you though. That's why I asked how old you were. That was That [ __ ] just came out. Three years older than me. That [ __ ] just came out. Like

that [ __ ] came on PlayStation. No, no, no. That [ __ ] matter. That [ __ ] just dropped.

Man, yo, how old are you? 46. Yeah, [ __ ] That's not true. That little 3, four

year difference, man. [ __ ] Lil Kim and them start about taking in the all of that [ __ ] changed society, [ __ ]

They just wouldn't let you do that for Kim, man. Little Kim didn't change society.

You're bugging. You are bugging, man. It wasn't [ __ ] wasn't talking about I

used to be scared of the dick. Now I throw lip. No, girls wasn't admitting that ass.

You know, y'all [ __ ] I know what girls like first. Yo, y'all [ __ ]

Yo, y'all [ __ ] is fronting, bro. The girls wasn't openly admitting that [ __ ] like that before. I ain't saying it was admitting, I'm saying they was doing it,

though. I'm going to talk about. But the change to society is now girls are being way more open about bragging about it.

Yes. It went from that. It went from being taboo to being bragged about. Yes. Lil Wayne had everybody eating [ __ ]

Y'all think sucking dick was taboo in '94.

Asking some of the things that you're saying. Yes. Yes. Yes. Taboo. Absolutely. Not main yelling. I'm just

asking. No, I'm answering. You two vanilla ass [ __ ] We're not saying that they wasn't doing it. We talking about taboo.

Front Street. Uh 14. How the [ __ ] you know what [ __ ] was doing outside? And what was taboo at 14? Is I was at 14? I

don't know who you talking. I'm not I'm not at 14. I was going

crazy. At 14. He act like he don't hear you either. I know. Wait. No. I too late. You'll catch

what y'all [ __ ] say about 14 some crazy [ __ ] these [ __ ]

He know what's going on cuz he was doing it. We um [ __ ] say he had his own apartment

at 14. Y [ __ ] is crazy. I was getting it. But no, it is it is a little bit different. me and it's also like

cultural societal like when I went to the No, everything doesn't go back to the

cult and also nothing was off limits in the in the

taking that [ __ ] literal. No, they really were like [ __ ] Yeah, take the car for a

bit. Morgan Borg, you share your pain with [ __ ] and this is what they do. See money, I get it

worse than you do, man. You know,

what I was saying is literally like in the hood, girls would be like

like like have oral sex was like the like a girl sucking dick was like the thing you did for your boyfriend. That

was like the the last thing you did. Whereas in the white neighborhood that I was around, it was the first thing they did. They like, "I didn't [ __ ] him. I

just sucked his dick." Yeah. Whereas like no black girl I knew would have said that in in in the 90s. It was the exact opposite. You know what I mean? So I'm just saying like some of it is is

very true based on where you are. Thousand% accurate. Yeah.

For real. What' you say? No. Oh, what' you say? Paul,

do y'all think it was speaking of what is saying about little Kim? Do y'all think it was right for little Kim to uh

spit those lyrics at such a young age?

I loved it. Album was a classic. She was older than me. Can't control Control Women.

I love the empowerment of it. I What was wild to me was that Big was writing it. So, I'm thinking like I always imagine

Big sitting at the desk like writing, you know, Queens, Brit, Supreme. You know, I mean, like for me, that was the thing. Like, I thought that was the

thing I loved about Big was that he was able to put himself into that mind frame and that to write for women the way Neo

does. Like, man, I'm glad you said that. No, don't start. Don't stop that. Don't

start that, bro. I think I know where this is going. Please, bro. Please. No.

I know where this is going. Stop. All right, we did it already. When I was a guest here, my first time as a guest, you said some wild [ __ ] about being I

don't remember exactly what it was. You know who you about. You said in the

alternate life, him and Tupac are bisexual and all that stuff. You know what I'm saying? I said in a Marvel what if comic style

episode, I could see the the big and Pac

beef really just being gay or bisexual quarrel and then after

and they fighting over P. You said not really Marvel then. You said yeah, I can see that. You said I wouldn't even say in the Marvel world that after that.

No, I could see it in real life. That's That's I did the Marvel thing to protect my opinion. But

I could definitely I could see that. I could see that. But that's not what I was about to say.

I went to a studio session not too long ago and it was uh a female

rapper. Mhm. She had some guys in there. [ __ ] that [ __ ] almost [ __ ] me up

when he went in there to laid the reference for her like in the booth like I'm sitting there just scrolling.

Yeah, [ __ ] just And I get all the money if I suck his balls. This [ __ ] was doing the It was a hard

ass verse for a girl. But I just forgot what was going on. I looked up like hold

up. Yo, rap has changed. I left just in time. the time it was rugged.

Kill that [ __ ] I suck a dick and I take a trips and I'm like, "Yo, you first,

but you was right in the first." So that's funny, son. It's talent. It is

talent. It is talent. Right. I'm going wherever you going after the part. And I'm going where you

going. Anytime you put the lip going with the earrings, I'm going where she going. She's going to a bash man. I

heard that part. I was here for that. was on the sideline. I'm in more detail. Jean dress. Stop playing. And things are

coming back like they used to be. You ain't do batments. No. No. Wait. What's coming back? Like

what? You know never been to a bachman. First of all, I don't know what that is. You

don't even know what it is. Y'all know that. Y'all thought you knew what that might been locked up during that time. You don't know what that is. And I don't

make fun of him with a phone. Like that didn't me. I mean, in fairness, a bashment is a

little more culturally obscure than gangstar. Gangstar in New York. Shut up, man.

Music broadcast. I guess it depends on what part of New York you're in. And I was saying that everything is getting back like it used to be.

Is this That's you. You going to New York? New York spot? Yeah, I'm going to Queens. Oh, that makes

up. Are you going to the Angry Cookout? No.

You going to some foreign [ __ ] That's why you got your stonew wash skirt on. Wild. I know. I know. Yo, what the got

that yard outfit on. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Yeah. Got you. Go. I did not think

anybody was going to pick up on that. Oh, I picked up on it. That's why you said you going to bash. I was like, "Oh, okay.

I'm literally West Indian." Like, but okay. You're all of the racist. No, she is.

I've literally been I've said I'm said that on this episode before. I've I've said it my whole life cuz that's what I

am. And Russian. Yes. Yeah. I have one white parent and one black parent. So,

yes. Yes. That's right. Going to be outside. It's going down. Russian. Jamaican. No, Russian. I'm going to run it to you in that spot. Beijian. Excuse

me. And Japanese. No, she said Swiss, right? Scandinavian. Swiss beach.

Swahili. Uh, yeah. Who else? Are you are you bringing um you bringing something

to this joint? I know you baked banana bread the other day. I was just curious to know if I didn't get around to it. Ah, didn't get

around to it. Um, I'm bringing liquor. That's that that always wins. I'm bringing liquor. Mhm. Yep. Yo. Yeah.

Real quick, they said that Derek, the one that's left, Derek Groves, he may

have changed his appearance. The police put out bug shots of him being in wigs,

short haircut, and long braids. Smart. Smart man. Look at this. Smart. I told

y'all he was gonna be the one. You did say that. And he's killing that [ __ ] This is from the New Orleans breakout,

right? And listen, that wasn't even the the the shocker for me. The shocker was

when they arrested the second to last guy and took pictures. Dude in the

picture got the nerve to look pissed off and annoyed with every tattoo on his face, neck, ears. He got a big Detroit

Tiger symbol right here. He in the picture like, "Oh, they got me." I'm like, "Yeah, they got you, idiot." You

put the road map on you. Oh my lord. [ __ ] Ain't a hard [ __ ] to find at all.

Oh man, that's crazy. We can go. I don't have nothing. We ain't got to sleepers. I know y'all

ready. I'm ready, man. I hear it. You couldn't wait till he sit down, right? So, you know, my man going to add

something. Well, yeah. I hope that everyone has something.

I'm not doing this with you. You can tell your man been a great show. You can tell your what your man mind is

at when I say one of them shits that he just brush it off. I know where he at. If he not cracking jokes. Yeah, man.

Fourth of July. Trying to keep everything efficient like we promise. I love I just wanted you to crack jokes with me, my brother. Supposed to play

like how about some hardcore? Yeah, you got to give him some MP. You know what I mean? It's the 5th of July. No,

I was never doing that. Some people have barbecue hangovers right now. Some people are doing a barbecue right now.

You're right. You're right. People with their family, they side joints. That's true. That's true. Some people at the

bashman shaking some ass. Hey, there it go. All right, we are gone. Until the

next time. Hopefully you enjoyed this Fourth of July podcast. Keep us in your

prayers. Lord knows we need to be there. Till the next time we bid you a do farewell. Adios house for hours. So

long. Goodbye. It will suffice. Remember, life is a series of moments and moments pass. So, let's make this

one last as if it's all we have. Eagle.

Hey. Hopefully everybody enjoyed their 4th of July. Enjoy your holiday weekend. Eagle

weekend plans. Anybody? Anybody? Anything fun? Anything fun? Anything fun? No, we we baby free. We just running around. So, I might end up with

uh who the [ __ ] knows. All right, we going after the hook. Remember, please be safe. Shout out to any of you [ __ ]

that blew your [ __ ] fingers off last night. Shout out to y'all.

Shout out to everybody in the urgent care cuz you tried to put the M80 in your mouth cuz the [ __ ] p the [ __ ]

pulling up. [ __ ] stupid. [Music]

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