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>> Yes, sir.

>> Yo yo yo yo.

>> Phones up. Phones up. Last looks. Last

looks. All right. Mark brushed his hair.

>> Yeah. That's all you going to get.

For real. When I first seen Mark and his

head wasn't brushed, I was like, "All

right, I'm going to see if he brushed it

>> before we go on."

>> I brushed it, put on a hoodie. You know,

you got your clothes,

>> I had to do something, right? Got your

schools on. Well, you know what it is? I

couldn't I couldn't go to the barber

this week. I had to cancel my barber

appointment and I had to uh you know,

I've been tied up so I ain't get to do

my normal routine.

>> That is annoying. Insane. Cuz I hit my

barber like, "Yo, I'm trying to slide

through." You say, "I'm in Jamaica.

>> You was just in Cancun 2 weeks ago."

>> Yeah. They they soak.

>> No, ain't no soul. Get back to work.

>> Got responsibility.

>> That's right.

>> Yeah. They living their life around the

pot.

>> Well, that's that's the problem.

>> Well, you know what? That's part of them

here. Exactly.

>> Stupid barber.

>> Yeah. You're a barber. You need to be in

here. I need to get right.

>> No, you don't got a plan B.

>> No, I do. God is

>> Yo, update your lifestyle. Yo,

>> cool. Got to have

>> update your lifestyle. I told you about

going to the barber shop years ago. You

still want to go in there and shoot the

Have them come on over. Put the kids up

to bed, get the little chair. I ordered

one from Instagram. They robbed me. It

still ain't here.

>> You ordered a barber chair?

>> Yeah.

>> I ain't even going to say the name of

the chair. But I ordered it trash.

>> They told me it would have got the lean

back. They told me the lean back and all

that. It has everything. They don't have

it. It's not fire. They told me it would

come.

>> I fell for one of them Instagram.

>> Why did you buy it on Instagram?

>> Oh my god.

>> Well, no. No. It was one of them

Instagram ads, but my barber gassed it.

My barber that comes to my house, he

gassed it. So, I bought it instead of we

using a restoration hardware chair. Some

bull.

>> So, I ordered the chair. They told me it

would come in 6 months.

>> In in 8 months, it never came.

>> So, I I emailed them.

>> Where was that coming from? You getting

it made?

>> What do you think?

>> Over there. your man Big Tit

on a boat somewhere right now right now

on a

coming across the Pacific right now.

>> If you ordering furniture

>> Yeah. be prepared to wait. Be prepared.

>> Months is normal. Yeah.

>> Yeah. If you're ordering furniture,

that's very normal. So, you can take it

home same day.

>> Yeah. You should I keep telling you the

pit days are over.

>> Thank God.

>> I I keep I keep trying to find different

ways to let you know, but nothing is

being is effective. Uh, they told me

they told me 6 months, 8 months. I

emailed them. Where my at? They emailed

me back. We've been trying to get in

touch with you. No. Yeah. No, you

wasn't.

>> No, you wasn't. But we're having trouble

where we get our materials from because

of the tariffs. We're done. Luckily, we

found a new spot to get our materials

from. We going to ship this out

>> in six more months.

>> In 16 weeks.

>> Four more months.

>> Four more months.

>> Yo, you know what? Yo, some even if you

rob me, I'm cool with it. Sometimes you

got no you got to communicate.

>> You got it, big dog. So they got me. It

is what it is. But

>> there you go.

>> What's the What's the most normal thing

you do if you don't go to the barber

shop? Right. And I I go to the barber

shop. I make a private appointment so I

ain't got to do some of the the

shenanigans. So I can still feel normal.

Like what's the normal thing you do?

>> Oh, these got too much.

>> I'll hear them.

>> No, we invest our money properly.

>> Oh, okay.

>> Oh,

>> don't start

>> versus y'all. You don't start. What?

>> Y'all do that where you just put it all

in your pocket.

>> Excuse me. Go. Go ahead.

>> You can't put it all in your pocket is

what we're saying. It's worth making a

private appointment with your barber to

not see pedestrians when you're getting

your line up.

>> I enjoy seeing my people though.

>> My people. All right.

>> I with the people at my shop.

>> You hate that man saying, "What about

that? What about

>> He complain every time." Don't complain

every time. That ain't always the case

though. Like I know these for 20 years.

We all have appointments.

>> You said just so I could feel normal.

>> No, I mean I I don't I don't want to not

do normal [ __ ] There's some

>> Cuz normally you're not normal.

>> Yeah, you're not normal.

>> No, I I know that I do some bougie to to

avoid conversation certain things, but

then there's other [ __ ] I do so I don't

feel like that's my whole life. Like

I'll go to the a gym even though it's

annoying sometimes cuz your people

always walking up on me or like the

barber shop. I'll do it but just a

certain way. You know what I But it

sounds like Joe don't do any I don't

>> Everything I do is to avoid

conversations with people.

>> That was before you were rich, too,

though. Not for nothing.

>> Yeah. No, I'm not saying that's a new

thing.

>> It's just easier to do it now.

>> Got it. Sure.

>> But the Newark boy couch paints that as

something I don't paint as anything.

That's nothing wrong.

>> Rocking out.

>> Well, let me ask you the opposite.

What's the bougie show? What's the you

do that that would make you look like

you was out of like extra to person?

>> I got a follow-up question too right

after you answer that one.

lately. Um I I I'll tell y'all I told I

ish cuz I we make the jokes on the pod

and

>> I've been quit flying um economy and all

of that and now it's first class and the

lounge and

>> you do the lounge.

>> Yeah, I do the lounge too. Yeah,

>> the lounge is the extra part.

>> I don't want to see Yeah.

>> All right, that's awesome. Good for you.

What you doing the barber?

>> Do you tilt your chair?

>> There you go. There you go. Come on.

Come on. I knew it. Yeah, I knew it was

a barber question.

>> What you do when the barber tilt your

chair back and you got your eyes closed

just chilling, but the [ __ ] he owed

money to came up came up to him and now

they having that conversation while your

eyes closed. Stand up

while you lay

[ __ ] started. You're like, "Oh [ __ ]

yeah.

>> Oh [ __ ] ass Mr. I like my people."

Would you do that?

>> A [ __ ] go from giving you the

eucalyptus.

>> That's bomb, my [ __ ] I'm telling you.

>> When I was going to [ __ ] [ __ ] you got

somebody in the chair, my [ __ ] Where

my bra at?

>> No. When I was being regular. See,

trying to be regular. Trying to be

regular. Get you robbed.

>> Yes.

>> Beat up. All type of [ __ ] I was going

to my little Patterson barber shop. I

was lean back.

I was sleep. I think I ain't get no

sleep the night before. Somebody came in

here talking mad aggressive to this

[ __ ]

I woke up and started listening. I was

like,

number one, if this escalate, my little

short Dominican barber can't do nothing

with this angry [ __ ] And I ain't

really in the position to do nothing

with him either, laying back like this,

nor do I want to. I won't even go home

like that.

>> Like that.

>> I don't know you like that.

>> Game nice, but you ain't my man. And my

next thought is, yo, these ain't

thoughts I should be handing,

>> right? [ __ ] haircut, right?

>> You know what? I'mma fix this. Here we

go. No more of this one.

>> I'm going right to Inglewood from

>> All right, Ice. What you doing when the

barber put his foot on the little thing

to lower your chair and then he put his

balls on top of your elbow. I thought

you going to put his balls right on top

of your conversation.

>> And now you want to move, but that's

going to make you look homophobic.

>> Does it?

>> You You can't just move your elbow.

Don't make you look homophobic.

>> It does kind of

>> No, it darn your balls. Get your nuts

off me.

>> Yo, you know your barber ain't trying to

ain't trying to put his

>> You don't know.

>> I don't care, [ __ ]

>> Yo, dog, your barber's not trying.

Hopefully,

>> he might.

>> You should find a new barber.

>> Ice barber. You know how many times I

told chicks you need to find a new weed

dealer?

>> Yo, [ __ ]

>> Yeah. You ever listen to a chick that

smoke weed?

>> Yep. No. And and their means right but

their means of coping.

>> Oh yeah.

>> Like how? Yeah.

>> Drug dealer live right upstairs on the

fourth floor. I let him in in the

morning and my boyfriend don't know

about him but sometimes I go see him. He

give me free weed all month.

>> I bet all month he give me free weed.

Long as I go up there with these um

little shorts on coochie cutters

basically.

>> Coochie out.

>> That's all I got to do. If your girl

smoke, would you let her go get free

weed?

>> No.

>> No.

>> No.

>> So you would pay for the weed?

>> Y'all suckers.

>> Hey, whatever you want.

>> Y'all suckers. Y'all going to build

somebody business?

>> Yes.

>> Yes.

>> That's how money.

That's true. I'm buying in bulk, too,

[ __ ]

>> Money circulates in the community,

[ __ ]

>> Oh my god. [ __ ] that. Free nothing.

>> Pthead chicks are funny,

>> huh?

>> Pot head chicks are funny. They're the

best.

>> Shout out to the Bah chicks.

>> You know, they they're the best kind of.

>> Yeah.

>> They just got to take that little sip of

water before they get to doing their

[ __ ]

>> They got to drink a gallon. Sometimes

>> they mind.

>> Sometimes they don't drink when they

ain't drinking enough water.

>> Sometimes that should make a nice roof.

[Laughter]

>> No, he's right.

>> You nasty dog. You are disgusting. Nice.

>> What?

>> That's nasty though. That's a different

nasty right there, son.

>> Oh my god.

>> To be a little hardier.

>> Yo, that's disgusting, bro.

>> That's definitely that kind of

[ __ ] That's for sure.

>> Yo, what?

>> You was in Rochester.

>> That Ruby hidden though. Parks is right.

I'm good. Like,

>> you ever sleep with somebody that's

that's uh drunk? So in the morning they

waking up with all the last night on

their breath and you just tonging them

down. That [ __ ] is all right. Sometimes

you want to taste that hypnotic whatever

you were drinking that 19 [ __ ] or

blended with the saliva.

>> Wait, y'all don't like the hangover

[ __ ]

>> Yes. I love the hangover. I'm not Yeah.

Not that

>> hangover [ __ ] is different than hangover

breath.

>> Nick said hangover tongue kiss.

>> Your breath stink too.

>> Yes.

>> Yeah. I'm cool.

>> I'm cool. Yeah. Y ain't never been with

a headbutt and they catch you before you

can run to the bathroom. What are y'all

talking about? You a time to go to the

bathroom. Y'all both stink in bed.

>> Yeah, grow down.

>> Oh, I done did it a million times.

>> That's why I hate life getting pretty

out. Get the [ __ ] out this tour to

[ __ ] We talking about nasty [ __ ]

>> You good?

>> Sober ass.

>> You want to keep sleeping with

accountants?

>> No. No, baby. Don't grab your briefcase

yet. Shut up, [ __ ] With the Listerine

right by the bed.

>> Yeah. Yeah.

He sleep with the He sleep with the

[ __ ] that steal the [ __ ] travel

lister ring from the uh air uh airplane,

bring it home, use it, toss it back.

>> Yo, on Instagram,

I seen an ad

somebody came up with prepasted little

brushes. Toothbrushes.

There's like a hund of them in a bag.

>> Oh. With two toothbrush

>> Oh, they got the toothpaste on them.

>> Not a bad idea.

>> That's not a bad idea. Not a bad

>> preasted

tooth. Miniature toothbrushes that are

prepasted disposable. Hunting in a bag.

>> It's not terrible.

>> Not the worst idea. You know what I'm

saying? This is not an ad.

>> Yeah.

>> Not mad at that.

>> All right. How's everybody feeling, man?

How we feeling? How you feeling? Feeling

good. You're looking good.

>> Glad to be here.

>> Happy to have y'all. Uh I assume I know

what the first topic is. So, I mean,

did everyone see? Of course.

>> Of course.

She didn't watch this [ __ ]

>> Not at all. No.

One minute of it. [ __ ] didn't watch it

at all.

>> And you know what's funny? When I text

him, cuz I text him, text the Android

separately from the group chat. He hit

me with some brother Ali [ __ ] No, for

sure. No doubt. Got you. Got you for

sure.

>> Did you watch it? Joe didn't tell me to

watch anything. Joe's lying.

>> Uhoh. Phone's on. Uhoh.

>> Joe's lying.

>> Uhoh. Uhoh.

>> Erikson, I'mma send you to Texas.

I'mma send it to you so you can put it

on your

>> And then we got to play the little

>> Yeah.

>> Damn. He's absolutely right.

>> Oh,

>> he's right.

>> Oh, got him. Yep. Got him.

>> He's right. Got him.

>> He's right. I'm wrong. I confused text.

I text him about our guest today.

>> Okay.

>> I confused him. He is right. I am wrong.

For the people that have never heard me

say that.

>> Growth boy.

>> For the people that have never heard me

say that.

>> Y'all ain't going to clap.

>> No.

>> No. Accountability. Joe. Nah.

>> No. Let's go. Y I'm talking by myself.

You [ __ ] is [ __ ] crazy.

>> You think you got more accountability

than me?

>> Go ahead.

>> I didn't ask you that. I didn't ask you

that. Do you think you have more

accountability than Joseph Anthony

Button Jr.?

>> I'm not conversation.

>> You mere mortal Antoine.

>> Do you think you have more

accountability mentality than Thanos me?

>> That's the problem.

>> You don't think that?

>> That's the problem. Thank you, Thanos.

Thanos didn't have no accountability.

>> It's all right, dog. Could we move

along?

>> Why Thanos didn't have accountability.

>> He He did.

>> He had all accountability actually.

>> He knew what he was doing and cop to it.

>> Yeah.

>> No, he justified the [ __ ] That is

what people that don't take

accountability do.

>> No, I don't look at it like that.

>> I bet.

>> But I also feel like Thanos made sense.

>> Yeah, I was on his side.

>> So, you would know Loy Ro,

>> huh?

>> He wasn't.

>> Yeah, I thought made a lot of sense.

>> I was on a lot of the villain side when

more I look back.

>> You don't know what Thanos is?

>> I I get I hear a reference. cuz I never

watched it.

>> Okay.

>> You don't watch [ __ ] boy.

>> I watched that damn catfish documentary.

>> I went home and watched that [ __ ] that

night. That [ __ ] was crazy.

>> That [ __ ] was crazy.

>> And the mom

>> That mom was a psycho.

>> They came in the restroom while she was

holding the kid. Yeah, I watched this

[ __ ]

>> She was crazy. You see it? Oh, yeah. She

was Yeah. [ __ ] blew my mind.

>> Nah. When the cop blew the lid, she she

hugged the daughter.

>> That's what I'm talking about. They let

you just let her do that. She dad came

in like, "Yo, get her out of here. I'm

going to jail." I'm telling y'all, take

her or I'm going to jail. That's it.

>> And he wasn't wrong.

>> No, I'm with him.

>> Yeah, but it seemed like it was for

every reason but what she did to

>> Oh, that's a fact. He was

>> Hold on. Hold on. So, you got fired how

long ago?

>> Yeah.

>> Couldn't even sit down no more.

like

>> they lost their house and all that [ __ ]

Yeah. Like what? Yeah.

>> I like the new [ __ ] Netflix is doing

where they going to have a confessional

with the person that's guilty.

>> That was the crazy [ __ ] to me cuz she's

talking through the [ __ ] like

>> it was [ __ ] my head.

>> I had to go back and watch it again now.

Now that I know I said let me go run it

one more time.

>> It was really

>> she's bat [ __ ] crazy.

>> Yeah. Nuts.

>> Even though I mean

>> No, no, no, no, no. I'm not on on mom's

side. I'm not doing the the play listen

to both sides thing. I'm saying even

though

>> all that was going on and neither parent

bothered to change her phone number.

>> That was a So that really was the tall

tail here.

>> Yeah, bro. And then they justified not

changing the phone number though.

>> Yeah, exactly.

>> I didn't get that part.

>> Like this was only happening via text.

>> Yeah.

So,

>> wouldn't it have better cuz the parents

would like had the new number.

>> Moms had the new number.

>> Moms was wilding. Mom's going to went

hit the new girl.

>> Yo, the new girl. Mom's you hit the new

girlfriend. I mean, the new girlfriend's

mom.

>> Yeah.

>> You got him looking smuty in the street.

>> Yeah.

>> Yeah.

>> And I feel bad for Dude. Dude was like a

quarterback. He was cool. He couldn't

get no rhythm.

>> He was [ __ ] up.

>> He couldn't get no rhythm. My little

brothers in college getting rhythm. They

my little person is in college exploring

that poor girl.

>> What?

>> We ain't even got to do it.

>> No, no, no. We don't. I'm on your side

now.

>> Okay. Okay.

>> I'm on your side. Sorry.

>> Cool.

>> Sorry.

>> That's twice. All right. Now I'mma clap.

>> Now I'm

lying.

>> I'm on your side now. I'm on your side

with

>> What the [ __ ] happened?

>> Oh yeah. Yo,

>> another another 20 dropped in there.

Something happened. Something happened.

>> Something happened. They got

accountability.

>> Yeah. What?

>> He drops out the way for the best crew

in the world.

>> Who was that?

>> [ __ ] [ __ ] [ __ ] [ __ ]

>> All right. What episode is this?

>> 859.

>> Welcome to episode 859 of the Joe Button

podcast. Brought to you by Fueled by

Power by Price Price Fish Gang. Yeah,

>> I'm your humble, gracious, grateful,

happy to be here. Host Joe Button and

the gang is all here. Uh we here for a

good time, not a long time. So let's

let's not waste any time. What's up

y'all? How y'all doing?

>> Great. Excellent.

>> We good?

>> Great.

>> Yeah. Great. Good.

>> How are you doing?

>> Couldn't be better.

>> Word.

>> Couldn't be better.

>> It's that time of year, boy.

>> Yeah. It's that time of year. It's that

time of year. It's hard to feel bad when

the weather's like this.

>> [ __ ] Huh? My whole house sick. It's

easy to feel bad.

>> Oh dele.

>> Whole house sick. The dog sick.

>> Damn.

>> The whole house is sick. First day of

school, everybody came home sick.

>> [ __ ]

>> I was like, I'm sorry.

>> Quarantine yourself.

>> My immune system is super. I don't

really get sick like that.

>> It's very rare. I'm just saying I'm

super super flex.

>> It's dope because now super flex.

>> Somebody could be okay. I'm sick. Kid

sick. Everybody's sick.

>> Yeah, but what about your immune system?

Tell them.

>> My shit's all right.

>> Stop playing with Freeze. Yo, y'all

thought he had a regular immune system.

>> Huh?

>> I ain't get the X-ray vision, but it

helped my immune system.

>> Well, you wait. That's where that list

ends of things you didn't get.

>> No, I was trying to get Remember the

lights thing? The You missed it. So, I'm

slow. It's fine.

>> Um,

>> yeah. I'm chilling, man. I feel good.

Say

>> I feel good. Mark, how you doing?

>> I feel great. I feel great. A good

weekend. Uh, got to got to hang out a

little bit, relax a little bit. Didn't

have to travel for a long time. For the

first time in a long time, went down to

Philly. Got to hang out with my frat

brothers. A little cookout. I ain't been

on barbecue all summer.

>> So, you still travel, too?

>> But I feel like driving to Philly ain't

like flying to Denver. You know what I

mean? That's easy. Yeah. I mean, I don't

even consider that travel no more. You

know what I'm saying? I had a good time,

man. Uh, and today is my anniversary.

>> Oh, happy anniversary. So, marriage.

>> My marriage anniversary. Yes.

>> Got it. Make some noise for that. Make

some noise for that.

>> How many years?

>> Uh, just two.

>> Okay. Just two. Yes,

>> we've been together a long time, but you

know, married too.

>> So, I'm trying to figure out. So, we're

going to go to dinner tonight.

>> Okay.

>> And uh

>> I don't know what else I should do. I

was going to ask you parks.

>> God,

>> cuz you don't give you do gift. You

don't do gifts.

>> No, they do that. They have that thing

where you're supposed to like do a wood

thing and a paper thing. I don't do

that. We don't do that [ __ ]

>> I can see through this a nice nice

dinner date.

>> You talk about his marriage, so I can't

even say my jokes.

>> No. Go ahead.

>> No, no, no. I love I love the guy, but

tell when a [ __ ] ain't laying it down

no more.

>> You got me flowers.

>> He trying to do come up and [ __ ]

Helicopter rides.

>> Hey, you ain't got to do all that.

>> Just a pipe, right?

>> Yeah, I see. Go have dinner. Go a long

way.

>> Light a candle.

>> This is what the kids do

>> to get you play a song that she ain't

heard in the garden. Yeah, find some

little little cute romantic [ __ ] and

that's all that's good. Go on Amazon,

order and search sex toys. Find find a

vibe.

>> Yeah, all that [ __ ] work intended.

>> All that [ __ ] work before you get

married.

>> Okay.

Out of my world. I'm out of my world.

Out of my world.

>> Yeah, just find some key romantic [ __ ]

I think I think that'll go. That's what

I think. I don't think I think she's

we're on the same wavelength on [ __ ]

like that, but I just wanted to make

sure there wasn't no major marriage

anniversary [ __ ] I was missing.

>> Yeah, I don't I was never a fan of that

whole gift, paper, wood, silver thing.

That's weird to me.

>> Yeah, I'm good on that. Okay.

>> You're supposed to It's like a different

material for every year than you're

married. I thought it's 510 like every

year.

>> Oh, damn. Yeah, that falls under like

the uh every day is a holiday internet

thing to me where it's like is this a

real

>> thing or is this something the internet

made up to make us do some extra [ __ ]

>> Construct.

>> Yeah, Cory

[ __ ]

>> Cory think everything construct.

>> It does. You think modern medicine is a

construct.

>> I mean,

he not now. Yeah, exactly.

>> Second second anniversary gift is

supposed to be cotton. That's the

traditional cotton. Whoa, whoa, whoa,

whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. You You

cool? I'm telling you what this [ __ ]

say.

>> You cool?

>> I pulled up the list.

>> You on master.com.

>> Oh, yeah.

>> Yo, your algorithms are different than

the artist.

>> Oh, speaking of algorithms, I watched

all the uh the cult docs this weekend,

and my algorithms are [ __ ] up now. My

YouTube is insane right now.

>> What What's your favorite cult thing you

saw? Uh,

>> you building the pyramid. You get there

right there.

>> What was the best one? The best one, I

think, was the HBO one. I think

>> it was People People did it. Yeah, that

was the best one.

>> Oh, that's a good one.

>> Is that the name of it? People did it.

>> It was a People cult. People the

magazine did a a whole It's a whole

series about cults, but they did a

specific one about Mark's uh experience.

>> Oh, say less. Say less. Cuz I still

ain't read about me.

>> I sent youual.

>> I thought I saw you in the background,

one of the pictures, but I wasn't.

That's still my man.

>> It could have been residuals.

>> I will be watching this tonight.

>> You get royalties do

I got hepatitis, man.

>> That [ __ ] sounded insane.

>> No, don't say that ever again.

>> I'm glad you're all right. That [ __ ]

sounded crazy.

>> Yeah, they they did some they Yeah, they

did some awful. Like I said, nothing

awful happened to me, so I didn't I

didn't leave with anything that I didn't

come with. But

>> were you there to the end?

>> You're still a survivor?

>> Uh not the exact end. And I left like

maybe maybe like eight months before,

nine months before.

>> Like I got the call from Philly like,

"Yo, they locked him up. They got him."

>> Okay.

>> Yeah. I got the call. I was in Philly

with some

>> You were cool with the alien part.

>> Uh yeah.

>> Gotcha.

>> Yeah. Gotcha.

>> Yeah. I mean I especially the Atlanta

chapters, right? I'm not trying to be

funny.

>> Oh. Oh. Cuz like at least

>> No, but that [ __ ] was big in Atlanta.

>> Yeah. Yeah. It was big. It was big. It

was big everywhere. I mean, you know

what it was? It was like I I I believed

it was possible. I think stuff is

possible.

>> Sure.

>> There's no reason to believe aliens

aren't possible. There's no science to

refute it. Now, if there was science to

refute it or thousands of years of

evidence to refute it, I would feel

differently. But if it's the idea that

there's something in the world that I

don't know, sure.

>> Got it. Yeah. I was with it. You know,

>> I think you guys should watch the docs.

>> How many did you watch?

>> I watched three.

>> All potato. Correct.

>> And I'm looking for more.

You might text me the three you want.

Text me the three you want. I put on the

chat.

>> Yeah, but we talking about Yeah, but we

talk a lot.

>> If you go to the links, it's this right

there.

>> All right. So, that's what I'll do

>> cuz I do want to see Miz. I want to see

Miz.

>> If you watch it, I will send y'all some

some footage.

>> I watched too many of those cults.

>> Uh, so I can't remember them uh the way

I'd like to. But the one where everybody

self transitioned after the Jim Jones

one of the Heaven Gate

>> ones Jim Jones was it that one?

>> Oh, it might have been Heaven's Gate

too. There was He's gate

the Nikes.

>> It was Heaven comic and it was

>> Yeah, we used to watch that one. That

was like on our Pinterest board like

when I was in the Wait, what?

>> We used to talk

>> Excuse me.

>> Y'all watch other cult [ __ ]

>> Yeah.

>> Yeah. You got

>> They didn't realize that you were in

one. No, that's the point. [ __ ]

>> that's watching game.

>> You got to watch the game footage.

>> Kicking our ass right now. Yo, we got to

turn this [ __ ] up. Pyramids.

>> [ __ ] you talking about?

>> No, you know what it is when you watch

other cults and you look at the

differences. So, you be like, you know

what? They're a cult and here's why. And

then they point out the things that we

don't do to show why we're not a cult.

>> How was the nightclub?

>> Club Rammeses? You know, I was the

driver for Club Rammeses. Um,

>> oh my god,

>> y'all have to watch this stuff.

>> I used to bring the ax. That's how

that's actually how I first got into

like getting into like music journalism

was I would started to uh meet the acts

and we would drive up and I would

interview them and talk to them and all

this other [ __ ] and I was like, "Oh,

music is really dope." And I started

getting into it. But yeah, I love clubs

until they shut it down.

>> I promise y'all I will not return to

work without

>> Oh, no, no, no. It's on the board like

the thug interview.

>> This is I'mma rewatch him

>> about this guy right here.

>> Oh, yeah. No, I'm I'm I'm in. No.

>> Club Ramies.

>> I'm so I'm amazed. Pyramid J Races. I

get it. Pharaoh.

>> He was Pharaoh. Don't ever call me

confirm your vibe was weird. And yes,

everyone felt it.

>> Um.

>> Oh [ __ ]

>> Nice transition. Speaking of Atlanta,

>> good.

>> All right,

so

>> here we are face to face. A couple of

silver spoons.

>> Yo,

>> it's time. How do you have that [ __ ] in

your mental?

>> I think that's one of the best uh theme

songs all time and find together.

We're going to find a way

and homeboy that wrote that I think

wrote like 17 of our favorite theme

song.

>> Most of the jiggles were written by a

handful of people.

>> Yeah. Including Alan Thick.

>> He ass.

>> Yeah. He had slapped.

>> Carol King wrote a lot. I think Johnny

Matthysse. I'm a fan of that type of

stuff. Yo, that whole all of them,

Family Ties, all of them [ __ ] was all

slaps.

>> They were slaps. Yo. Yeah. She [ __ ]

body the uh the Gilmore Girls. Carol

King is like one of the greatest

songwriters of centuries,

>> dog. The facts of life.

>> Yeah.

>> Like these are slaps.

>> Somebody's got to be creative to come up

with this stuff. Anyway, we're off on a

tangent.

>> Oh, yeah.

>> Young Thug Bigs interview.

I text most of you asked you to watch

it.

>> Thank you.

>> Probably would have watched it. It was a

long watch. It was 3 hours. I wouldn't

have watched all of it if you hadn't

assigned it for homework,

>> but I'm glad I did. It was great.

>> It was really good.

>> It was one of my favorite hip-hop

interviews in a long time that wasn't on

this platform, of course.

>> Same.

>> Yeah.

>> Also, and yo, when I All right, so the

first 30 seconds I was like, what the

[ __ ] Joe got me watching? Right. Cuz I

was like I wanted to hear Thug, but I

was like, who is this interviewer? Cuz I

was like, this don't seem like a

traditional interview. He was amazing.

He was amazing.

>> So, what I saw was a lot of my people

that I know from Atlanta.

>> Yeah.

>> Even before this was announced saying,

"Yo, Bank got to be the one to interview

Thug."

>> Like, they were saying that like if he

sits with somebody, it has to be him.

>> Got you.

>> So, I didn't know why. I'm not familiar

either. But I I understood once I

watched it.

>> Well, without without knowing any of of

that, right, just seeing him like I'm

familiar with him from Big Facts.

>> Okay. But him by himself with all this

knowledge, this wealth of knowledge of

all this Atlanta [ __ ]

>> Oh my god. And he I love the the tone he

set from the interview. From start to

finish.

>> Yes.

>> From start to finish. It wasn't just an

interview. It was you could tell he you

could tell this person cares. Yeah. It

was therapy. You're talking to somebody

that cares about you, that cares about

Atlanta, that cares about some of the

people that are adversarial to you.

Like,

>> it was great. This might have been my

favorite piece of content since my since

uh the Cat Williams [ __ ]

>> I'm with you.

>> And he didn't jump right into the to the

the street [ __ ] He started with his

childhood. He started with like Jeff.

Like, I'm not

>> Let's separate Jeffrey from Young Thug.

>> Yeah.

>> When did you first feel betrayal?

What was your upbringing like?

>> Ask him his first memory.

>> His first memory. I was like, that's a

good [ __ ] Like I was just like,

yeah, I'm locked in.

>> Immediately I'm like, okay, not only has

Bank been to therapy,

>> but he's conducting a CL. He's

conducting a class in front of us.

>> He did.

>> Yeah.

>> We not even starting this like an

interview. We want to get to the start.

Most therapists will start at the tip

tip tippy top and let's see where you

became you at.

>> And when he told that story of his f of

his brother getting killed in front of

him

>> and how he made sense of it because the

story went in a direction I didn't

expect in terms of how his brother died

and it was tragic and it was awful. But

to hear him talk about what he saw and

what he had to witness and how that set

him on his course, I was like this

explains so much to me

>> and it also explains the kind of healing

we got to do. But that [ __ ] was it was

fire.

Yeah. What he took from that, right?

I don't even so many play so much I took

from this this this sit down. I don't

even know where I want to start. But

what he took from that even with the

story about his sister him wearing his

sister's

>> clothes

>> clothes. Yeah.

>> Uh and then she had to damn near drop

out of school. It's like he's painting a

very vivid picture up top.

>> Yeah. of

but and what he took from that like when

he watched his brother die like he took

that as the holy grail

>> Yeah.

>> of Oh, this is how we rocking now. Yeah.

Um I want to start I want to start with

one.

I I feel him.

I feel him.

>> Like now that he's spoken for himself.

>> Me too. He said a lot. All of the

interviews I saw,

>> he went over a lot.

>> And even if I disagree with some of the

things that he said in some of his

>> trains of thought,

>> you can see how he got there. I feel

him.

>> You can see how he got there

>> and understand how he got there.

>> It's not foreign to me.

>> Um, also I want to say

>> he's brilliant.

>> Yeah. And solid.

>> Yo, I'm not going to lie. I'm a

>> He is brilliant.

>> The [ __ ] that I saw.

>> Like you saying, I was I was feeling it.

Like I'm rocking with the [ __ ] Like

>> Yeah.

>> He just seemed like I would befriend

him.

>> Yeah.

>> Like if I grew up around him like you

know what I mean? That would have been

my man. Like yo, we would have been You

know what I'm saying? Cool.

>> I would have stayed far the [ __ ] away

from him.

>> However, you'd respected him. He's

brilliant.

Like

I always say that there's going to be

some people

from different walks of life that may

not carry it the way you're used to them

carrying it for society to identify you

a certain way. You're going to run into

the people with all the words.

You're going to run into the people with

all of the degrees.

You're going to run into the people with

all the experience and the the worldly

travels.

Some people process information

differently.

>> Mhm.

>> His processor is different.

>> Yes.

>> For sure.

>> That's what I got very early on in this.

the way that he processes and retains

information and then executes how to go

about that in this whatever adaptation

is that he created

is brilliant. It is from all of that

street [ __ ] to carrying it to all of the

record label [ __ ] to identifying talent

to helping the talent to helping That's

the other thing that stood out for me

about him

>> and he said it. You can tell that he

gets off helping others.

>> Yeah. Yep.

>> And it makes sense of a lot of the phone

calls that we've seen in regards to

looking at people funny for not putting

people on. you know, hearing it, people

were alarmed and how you how dare you

talk about so and so like this, but

>> he's really about that.

>> Yeah, that's who he is.

>> And this whole interview, my main thing

is like how absolutely necessary it was.

>> Like we've been sitting here tearing him

apart for all these phone conversations

and tweets and all that [ __ ] but it's

easy to do that if you don't

>> know the whole picture

>> or if you Yeah. You don't have

everything in its entirety.

>> Nobody

pieces or his story really.

>> Yeah. Yeah, like [ __ ] the sides in

whatever beefs he's going through.

>> Like what's your story?

>> Right.

>> He got that out the way quick for me.

>> I wasn't even there for that. Like

listen, he and he said uh

well, I'm not quoting him, but he

basically said there were days in there

that I was hopeless and I didn't think I

didn't have optimism.

>> Yeah.

>> And I lost track of who I was, my

character, and I was just talking. Yeah,

>> I appreciated that.

>> Yeah. Honesty, accountab account

Accountability. Accountability.

>> Vulnerability.

>> Yeah.

>> Vulnerability. I totally understood

that. Uh

>> one Oh,

>> go ahead. No, go ahead.

>> One of the um the takeaways for me

because prior to the interview, he was

getting killed online for saying uh on

one hand it was I didn't tell my brother

to take the plea.

>> Uhhuh.

>> On the conversation with uh 21 Savage.

No, I didn't tell him to take that plea.

>> And then he says he told him. So they

like, oh, he's lying. Here's proof right

here. His credibility is shot. The way

he addressed that.

>> Yeah.

>> A person who ain't never been in that

won't even understand it.

>> Right.

>> Like he broke it down. Yo dog, if I'm on

the phone with this [ __ ] and I say yes,

I told him to take the plea.

>> That's a

>> that's another charge, right?

>> So I got to He don't even know the

question he asking me. I got to say no.

>> Right.

>> Like I just like how he put a lot of

[ __ ] to bed.

>> Yeah.

>> Like some people might not believe him.

That could be a I believed him, but I

can see

>> I believed him. I believed him.

>> But I'm just saying at the very least he

had that was the best answer I could

have imagined. I didn't know what he was

going to say to

>> I believed him 100% in that.

>> Me too.

>> If I know what's happening and I say

this, I'm already looking at this right

here.

>> I've been talking to my lawyer. My

lawyer is him.

>> Yeah.

>> Yeah. I I know not I know not to say

that.

>> Yeah.

>> You get what I'm saying? My worry was if

he could cuz he was saying now the

trial's over, he can say that. And I was

like, can you I was more worried about

him getting into more trouble afterward.

That's the only thing I was worried

about with him having that conversation.

But but I believed him and like I said,

I didn't expect that good of an answer

for any of them. And it sounds like he's

very aware of

>> what is whether it's from his lawyer or

not. Like he's aware of what's

>> legal at it sounds like he's got great

guidance and a great uh head on his

shoulders in general. Like

>> so I I wouldn't worry about that so

much.

>> I said now I'm super tight. I ain't

watching this [ __ ] But all the clips

that I saw, they kind of resonated with

me. And he sound like to

>> Sometimes when somebody gets to a

certain level of success

>> and you hear them speak, you be like,

>> I detached a little bit.

>> Yeah. I could but no, I could see how

>> he could get to a certain level of

success. I see how he could also be a

leader of people.

>> Yeah.

>> Like some people that could really

really speak, bro. Like not trying to be

funny. All that cult [ __ ] all the a lot

of times when you see politicians,

pimps, uh preachers, they can speak

really, really well to where they'll

pull you in. And I can see how he could

have a following.

>> Yeah. If you uh if you were taking the

time to understand everything he was

trying to say, there were some points

where he was just talking in our

language, like he wasn't necessarily

articulating what he was trying to say,

but you got it. But you knew what he was

trying to say. Um,

>> he got the point across.

>> I got a I got a lot of points to get to

with this. I'll I'll start with some of

the the more lighthearted points.

>> Um,

I already

know.

>> Come on.

>> I'm just starting with I do have serious

points to get to.

>> Okay. Gotcha.

>> And this is serious, too, but it's just

on the light-hearted side of things. And

y'all know me so well.

>> Yep.

There's something to be said for those

of y'all that are [ __ ] are still

[ __ ] women that are starruck.

That phone call with homeg girl

>> where I can't believe y'all are still

[ __ ] girls that are starruck.

>> I will say though,

I'm with you in that particular phone

call though. He's locked up.

I know certain people that have been

locked. You just talking on the phone

tonight. whatever you can talk to.

>> And I had this conversation yesterday,

dog.

>> I didn't I laughed like I didn't take if

if he was out and that call happens.

>> Yeah, that's looked at totally

different.

>> I agree with that.

>> Being locked in like that and making

that call, this goofy ass girl giggling

and [ __ ]

>> There's only one problem with what

you're saying, but I want to address

that problem after I finish talking

about [ __ ] [ __ ] that are starruck

cuz that's a fair point. I want us to

ping pong that. Okay.

>> I can't believe y'all are still [ __ ]

girls that are starruck. Look, the same

way they say it take you 10 seconds, it

take a guy 10 seconds, 10, 20 seconds to

know if he would sleep with you or not,

it only take the same amount of time to

know who you should not be sleeping

with. Like he clearly on the phone in

jail trying to have phone sex.

>> Clearly, he trying to get you there. You

know what he's trying to do. He like,

"Yeah, girl." You like like what else

get wet? And she like, "Oh my god, I

can't believe it's you." Yo dog, hang up

the hang up now. Hang up now. There's no

reason to continue talking and you got

your dick in your hand and she just on

the phone giggling cuz you are who you

are.

>> Hey, from me to you, stop [ __ ] the

girl that's starruck over you. That's

rule number one.

>> Dangerous game for

>> rule number one. It's danger.

>> For y'all that don't have experience,

you should not be doing it. I don't give

a [ __ ] how famous you are. It's

dangerous and it's bad.

>> There's a difference between fans and

someone who's star.

>> That's number one. Number two, we get to

freeze this point.

which typically would be correct.

However, this is the same girl that had

a fight with your girlfriend

in a club. This is the same girl that

your girlfriend has caught charges over.

If you telling me that you him, no,

that's not the girl that you should be

having phone sex with while you in jail.

>> What if you [ __ ]

>> No, I'm not crazy to anybody that want

to keep their girl.

>> This is the point. I'm looking at life

in jail.

>> You can't whoopde doodle. Hey, he said

it. Hey. Oh. Oh, great.

>> No, no, no, no, no. Stop. I know what he

said about that. I'm talking about I'm

in jail. These [ __ ] in jail be writing

the same exact letter to 40 girls. They

tell every girl, you know, when I get

out of here, it's me and you. I'm tired

of the rest of the playing the games. I

know I was doing you XYZ. It's me and

you till the wheels fall off. and that

and you can't do that to the girl that

already fought your girl and has charges

pending with your girl. You sitting here

thinking with this logical brain free

like you outside free moving around.

>> No, I'm thinking with the brain of

somebody that wants to keep their girl

>> and for what and from what it look and

from what it looks like

>> never coming home.

>> Yo, don't don't life me to see don't

life jail me to death because clearly

you are willing to sacrifice that and

we'll get to that point later. But don't

start uh oh I'm facing life in jail me

to death.

>> I'm not saying it like woe is him for

that. But that's a reality. That's a

reality. I'm here. I might never go. So

as many people that's going to send me

some suit packs, some naked pictures,

some whatever the [ __ ] I [ __ ] what you

talking about?

>> Hey, let's pretend there's no right or

wrong here. When your girl finds out,

chances are that's kaput.

>> See, and that's what I mean. Hold up.

No, cuz that's what I mean about men.

men just making.

>> No, it ain't.

>> As it stands right now. As it stand, we

don't need to have a passionate fight

about it. As it stands right now, she's

out of here.

>> She's

We did this with Offset before and you

say they come back

>> at some point. You

>> We know they come back.

>> At some point, you get to a point where

you don't want to risk that with

somebody. So, y'all keep talking all

this macho macho.

You talking You talking this mature

[ __ ] You talking about a logic that a

[ __ ] that is looking at life in prison

don't have. You just said that he got in

jail and he forgot who he was because

there was days where he was hopeless and

felt with logic.

>> No, it's not. You are behind [ __ ]

bars. Anything that could free your mind

from where you are. That's where you

focusing your energy. You talking about

it like a [ __ ] outside moving around

with millions of dollars. Yeah. Leave

them groupy [ __ ] alone. Leave the

fans alone. I'm sitting in here. You

just said the [ __ ] was going through

mad hopelessness and despair. Anybody

that could put a smile on my face,

whether it's jerking my dick or sending

me a picture, they gonna get some

attention from me. You accepting the

collect call, you going to get some

attention from me.

You talking like a [ __ ] that's outside

moving around with free choices. You can

go to McDonald's if you want. You can go

to catch steak if you want. This [ __ ]

is sitting in a [ __ ] box with limited

options. Anybody that's willing to give

me their time, guess what? They going to

get my time.

>> Yeah, y'all make a lot of excuses for

decision-m.

>> Y'all do make Y'all make a lot of

excuses for decision-m. Your decision-m

is what got your stupid ass in his

[ __ ] position.

>> So,

we talking about him being the crux of

your argument starts with the position

he's in.

>> True.

>> So, your decision making needs to be

[ __ ] questioned.

>> Dog, we're speaking.

>> What? Dog what? Listen, answer to what

I'm saying. Dog what? I'm about to. When

you go to the strip club every night,

>> right? Or whenever you go. Not every

night, but when you go.

>> Thanks. Cuz that was asking no.

>> That was like

when whenever you go to Keep Whenever

you go to the strip club, right? You are

putting yourself in a position for

anything to happen to you.

>> Cool. Once you in a strip club and it

happens, you deal with it right there.

You don't go home and say, "Yo, I should

have never been [ __ ] [ __ ] punched me

in the face in the strip club. Let's get

it the [ __ ] on." You don't say, "You

know what? I should have never been here

in the first place. It was my bad

decision-making, lack of discernment."

You get it the [ __ ] on. He's in jail.

Whatever got me here got me here. But

I'mma deal with the circumstances while

I'm here.

>> And I'mma make the best of it while the

[ __ ] I'm here. I'm not going to sit back

and say, you know what, I can't talk to

this girl because this girl had a fight

with Let me ask you a question. [ __ ]

what?

>> Let me ask you a question. Could I mean

I agree that you should always make the

best choice you can make in that moment

regardless of what happened to get you

there. I agree with you on that. But

while I'm in prison and there's, I don't

know, 50 million women in the world, in

this country, whatever that's available.

>> Yeah, these [ __ ] sound stupid.

>> They not available, Mark. I don't have

their phone about

what I'm saying. Can't you just take

that one off available?

>> I'm just saying why not just take the

one off the list that for your girl in

the club? That's all I'm saying.

>> Yeah. What are they talking about?

>> I'm not saying that he can't. What I'm

telling you is we are speaking from a

privileged state.

>> No, I'm saying something a little

different.

>> But we're having a conversation here in

a in a plush living room. Let me talk.

We don't have a choice, but we are.

>> What I'm saying is put yourself in a

position that he was in.

>> Right. But what what I'm also saying is

in addition to saying, "Well, even if

you say he's going to get detention from

whoever he wants, you could just take

that one person off the list." But also,

like, it seems to me that the discipline

you need to not go to jail, the

discipline you need to to talk about who

you told to take the take the charge or

not, that discipline he's actively using

in the jail, he could also use regard to

his dick. Like, he could also be in

prison saying, "You know what?

>> Do doing something that's going to piss

my girl off and get her to walk away

could also put me in further danger."

cuz h having a lover who is scorned

while you in prison never works out that

knows your business is also a bad

choice. So even if we just talking

business

>> it's a bad choice and and and and so the

same way we praising him for saying you

know I I had to lie about what happened

with 21. I had to lie about this. I had

to lie about that. Um we could also

criticize him for saying yo like

>> and again I mean dog I'm speaking on a

call that I don't think nobody's ever

going to know about anyway. This is just

a phone call.

>> I'm I'm waiting to see him the state.

I'm waiting to see him sue the state.

Like I that's that's a whole other

thing.

>> I've been sitting about that in the

interview a little bit.

>> I've been sitting here saying like

expecting privacy on a jail call

already.

>> You expecting privacy, but you're also

going to jail not expecting privacy from

the world,

>> right?

>> I I get it. You know what I'm saying? I

get it. People have explained like it's

still rights and I'm like, "All right,

if his rights have been violated, he

should he should sue.

>> He should." And he talked about that

interview a little bit, not so much the

suing part, but like you know, uh he was

saying that stuff kind of leaked like a

year ago that they stopped a lot of that

from coming out.

>> He said somebody has it,

>> but somebody has it. And that's the

point. Somebody don't [ __ ] with him.

They got the tapes and even though he

was able to he said it's not on the

website. He's not on the prison website.

>> You can't go get them today, but

somebody already got

>> somebody got him. Somebody don't [ __ ]

with and it seems like they timed it and

and that's what Bank was kind of pushing

him like maybe they're timing it to [ __ ]

with you in a certain way. He he kind of

ducked that a little bit to me or didn't

didn't take the moisture head off. But

I'm curious to know who has that and

also what else is coming out.

>> So you do believe more is coming out?

Absolutely. Absolutely.

>> The phone calls.

>> Absolutely.

>> I'm not sure the worst come out, bro.

>> I take it all with a grain of salt at

this point, though.

>> They just throwing the [ __ ] out to

discredit his gangster. Are you a

gangster? Huh? Huh? Huh? This not this

not gangster [ __ ] bro. We never know

what the [ __ ] he was talking about on

them phone calls and to whom.

>> Well, that's the other thing that I'm a

huge fan of. and listening to him and

just men across the country that put

some type of stock

or I'm saying that wrong that put all of

the stock in just being a man

I admire that now how that comes through

for each individual is different

>> so then it starts becoming about

>> what is your perception of being being a

man.

>> Yeah.

>> Mhm.

>> We're not a monolith.

>> We're not a monolith. But it starts at

being able to put tons of stock in being

a man.

>> For sure.

>> Like there's some people that that uh

that it's old school now. All you have

is is your balls and your word. That's

that's a old school thing. But it means

something. You can tell listening to him

that if you take everything off the

table,

>> being a man has a lot of value.

>> Yeah. And for him, what I took from from

him was that starts at taking care of

your family.

>> Yeah. He he reiterated that a lot.

>> A lot.

>> Yeah.

>> It starts

there. He he mentioned it when he was

talking about his back and forth with

Luchi.

>> He said, "Yo, I told him I would do

something to him if not for how he took

care of his family. I wasn't trolling. I

meant that

he is important. How he provides, how he

takes his kids to school. He said the

same thing with P. Yeah.

>> Who we said opy [ __ ] about, but he said

I like that about P. He's taking care of

his kid of his family. I love that about

Thug.

>> For my civilian ass, it contradicts

street code

because I would think that you need to

be there. Step one is being there for

your family. I would love to ask him how

he honors that so much but is willing to

sacrifice it for so little.

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>> That's one of the conundrums I've always

had I've always had with street [ __ ]

It's a great It's a gray area. It's a

gray area. Like let's just say

hypothetically your kids were starving.

Like you lost your job and you had to

put food on the table for your kids

willing to risk it.

>> You would go do a crime that could

potentially take you away from your kids

to feed your kids.

>> You get what I'm saying? So it's a real

real gray area that's not so black and

white.

>> But we got to start telling the truth

with a lot of the crimes are not for

that.

>> No, bro. That's a

>> There's other options are not starting a

hypothetical that I just put out. Like I

get you get what I'm saying? I'm

following you, but there is other

options to doing crime.

>> It's rarely the only option.

>> Some people to some

>> You know what it is? The other options

might take a little bit longer.

>> They're going to take longer than my

kids

or their pride hits. my kid my kid got

to eat today. A lot of people aren't

willing to go get the 9 to5 or get the

public assistance or do some of the

things that you might have to do that

>> my kid hungry today.

>> It's a pride hit.

>> Yeah. Yeah. My kid is hungry today.

>> Right. And and again

now it could be a 9 to5 person that had

a job.

>> Go to prison.

>> Ching up. [ __ ] that [ __ ] If we go to

prison for the rest of our life, what

they do? We go to prison.

>> See that don't exist.

statement president scream ch up. [ __ ]

that [ __ ]

>> Did we go to prison for the rest of our

life? What they do? We go to prison.

>> That statement don't exist in the

universe I'm talking about. I understand

what you're saying.

>> Again, I I'm not disagreeing with what

you're saying. I'm saying for a lot of

>> how cavalier that statement is even

made. Whoopdeoo.

>> It's It's where I come from. I

understand that we come from two

different places. Same. Go ahead.

>> Like I'm having this conversation from

where I come from. Mhm.

>> There is no such thing as and I think

that our black leaders should start

spreading a different message than if I

throw my whole life away. Whoopde-doo.

And what are the virtues that I'm

willing to do that over?

>> That we need a redo in that.

>> Sure,

>> we do need a redo in that.

>> I agree.

>> But he's speaking not to us.

He's saying to those that choose to play

this game, you know what you signing up

for. You can't get in the game and now

try to back now and now that [ __ ] got

hot. You want to go against the rules.

If this is this is the risk, you know

the risk when you sign up for this game.

You play it. If that happens, it

happens. That's the way he's explaining

that. And I I I get that.

>> I get that part. That's why

>> I don't agree with it because I'm not a

street [ __ ]

>> Those who play that game like, yo, this

is what you sign up for. If you sign up

for it, you got sign up for it. You

could you could go

>> and you got to stand on it. You got to

stand my [ __ ] If you play football all

your life, guess what's a possibility?

>> Concussions here.

>> You get CT. You could get paralyzed.

>> It's just a more more [ __ ] message

that we spread.

>> I I agree with the [ __ ] though. We

are we are in agreement with what the

message should be and should not be. I'm

not disagreeing with you.

>> If you play football, you can also wake

up one day and be Calvin Johnson.

>> True. the the only option is not if you

in the streets you can wake up one day

and behold

but that's what I'm but that would

contradict that that would contradict

that. I don't I'm sick of hearing yo the

[ __ ] that's in the street that's the

game you chose that's the that's the

that's the life you picked.

>> No, you can reserve the right to change

your mind.

>> I see you talking about y'all talking

about

>> you can reserve the right to change your

mind. So you don't have to

blood in blood out the only way out is

through death. Please I don't want to I

don't want to preach that you talking

about snitching. He talking about when I

was in my talking about being like he's

talking about success reserving the

right to change your mind with nothing

else. And and

>> when

them gang [ __ ] made their way to

Jersey City and I was a teen and the

popping thing to do was to join that and

they start talking about once you in is

for life. No. Now, but you was talking

about something different. You talked

about the Calvin Johnson point like, yo,

if you play if you take a risk and play

football, yeah, CTE is on one hand, but

you could wake up and be Patrick Mahomes

on the other hand. Ice is saying, yo,

when you into the street life, yeah,

jail or death is on one hand, but

there's also positive possibility for

success on the other hand. And now you

can walk away from

>> I think the Kelvin Johnson reference was

walking away before he walked to the

point of security

he brought in Jay-Z.

>> I walked away ain't go to jail, right?

>> Ho ain't caught no RCO charges or

nothing.

>> He went legit.

>> But I but I think the message should be

don't go in the game at all then. Right.

Cuz cuz you don't have that much control

over it, right? It's like you can't

control when you get that hit that's

going to give you CTE. It could be on

game one. It's not like I'll just play

five years so I don't get hurt.

Similarly, you could get popped on the

on day two and selling dope. you you

can't control that. So, just don't do

it. You ain't got to deal with that

problem.

>> Or if you do, understand the risks.

>> Yeah.

>> Like that's that's what I took from it.

Like yo understand

it is possible that this could happen

now that it happens. Don't try to shy

away from it. Right.

>> And again, I get his mentality with that

and I agree with what you just said.

It's just there's a way that when you

hear it, it romanticizes a little bit.

Like when he's talking about his brother

and how he's like, "You just did 12,

don't take this other bid." He's like,

"Fuck it. If you go if you going to jail

for life, I'm going to jail for life."

And I'm like, I get the loyalty and I

admire. There's something about that.

>> To a 19year-old listening to that,

that's all I'm saying like, yo, he going

out in a blaze of glory.

>> Yeah. Meanwhile, you putting millions of

dollars in lawyer to avoid not going to

jail for life. And most people can't

don't have that luxury. You know what

I'm saying?

>> So, I agree with that.

>> Um,

also what I saw on him is that carrying

the type of resentment that he's

carrying is heavy.

>> Yeah.

It's wear it's wearing on him and only

him.

>> It seems like he's the whole gutter [ __ ]

situation. He just seems sad.

>> I was about to say, do you think

resentment or more sadness?

>> Yeah. Hurt.

>> It's hurt. It's hurt. It looked like

betrayal, bro. Like when you hear him

saying like, "Yo, dog, I was around this

[ __ ] damn near more than I was around

my kids."

>> Like I put mad [ __ ] and

>> not damn near. He said

>> and we and we and we saying that he's a

giver.

>> Yeah.

>> Right. Pause. Like if you keep

>> I'm giving you [ __ ] I'm trying to make

the best person make you be the best

person you could be and then I feel like

you betrayed me whether he did or he

didn't.

>> Right.

>> There's some emotional [ __ ] there.

>> Of course,

>> for sure. Y'all are all pulling the

fruit out the same basket. Hurt,

betrayal resentment sadness

>> all of it exists.

>> And you still work for me, right? So,

your success benefits me. That's a real

tough internal struggle to be having.

Like, [ __ ] I don't want you to be

successful. What I do? Well,

slow down there because

in his ver in his version of things,

it's a lot more love and a lot less

business.

So, he's saying multiple times how he's

never made a dime off of gunner's

business. He said all he's done is spent

money. Actually, let me let me let me

start there here.

I understand his beef with Gunonna now

that he has explained it. I do not agree

with it.

>> I understand it.

>> I don't agree with it.

>> Got you.

>> But I understand it.

>> And and if I'm in his shoes, I might

have that same beef.

>> In his mind,

whatever was said on that Alfred plea

>> could have been used in court and it

could have hurt me. And had I not had

this gone to trial, that Alfred plea

would have come up. That's how he's

carrying it.

>> Yeah.

>> One, two,

the hurt and the and the resentment. Uh

he said he he paid for half his mother's

half gunner's mother's

>> house, the car, for the brother, the

chase, all took care of all your people,

>> bought everything.

>> Yeah.

>> And let you present it however you

wanted to present it.

>> Yeah. Mhm.

>> I invested all my money in you. I made

you a millionaire.

You did the Alfred plea.

You didn't communicate with me about it.

Like, you don't think you owe me an

explanation? That's what he kept saying.

>> Yeah.

>> You don't think for as tight Hold on,

let me just finish.

>> For as tight as we were for you to do

that,

one, you don't think you owe me an

explanation. two, if we don't talk. You

got out and didn't go by my mom's house,

>> right?

>> Yeah.

>> You got out and didn't go drop some

money off to my family.

>> That was big.

>> So, I identified with him in that word.

>> I can identify with that. Hey, anybody

in the world can say whatever they want.

You I'm talking about him to Gunner.

>> You should be the last person.

>> Let me have a little bit of push back.

One,

>> how

>> what? Go ahead. One, he did say, "I

don't cuz bank asked him, are you open

to a conversation?"

>> He said, "No."

>> He said, "No."

>> So, how am I How do I explain this to

you if you won't have a conversation

with me? One.

Two, the part about my mom house and all

of that, right?

Gunonna immediately got out and

everybody was on his head.

So maybe me popping up at your mom house

around your people might not be a good

idea.

>> There's ways to get the money to your

family.

>> You get the money to my family without

you personally. They got electronics,

>> [ __ ] You could get the You can have a

a a woman. You can have a courier take

the a check to my mother's bank wire.

>> That's true. That's true.

You need information for a bank wire.

Listen go.

>> He said it sounded like he his dad put

him on a group chat. He could get the

tap.

I helped buy your mother's house,

>> my [ __ ] You know I'm spending millions

of dollars because it was a bunch of

them and they sees a lot of his [ __ ]

>> It was a bunch of them [ __ ] on trial.

That part, too. But it was a bunch of

them [ __ ] on trial. So, it wasn't like

I'm just paying for myself. He

potentially seeing who he is as a a

provider. I'm just paying for mad [ __ ]

trying

>> [ __ ] go.

>> And Gunner said, I want to highlight

that. Yo, my my dad put us both on a

group thread against my wishes, but now

you got my new number. You know how to

reach me. You know how to move with some

of this stuff and it's just not being

done.

>> And your album went crazy when you first

got out. You went on tour. You

successful. [ __ ] go drop a million.

>> Go drop a 100,000, 200,000, whatever the

[ __ ] you going to drop off. Drop it off

to my mother.

>> I'm with you.

>> It could be a courier. You don't have to

speak to my mother. My mother might want

not want nothing to say to you, have

anything to say to you. You could drop

some money off. You could drop some

assistance off if I for you. He's right,

bro. He's right, bro.

>> Like I said, I stand down. Y'all y'all

are correct in that one.

>> I feel him on that. I'm not saying he's

right.

I feel him. I understand him. And in his

position, maybe I say the same thing. In

my position,

I can't say that.

>> Tell me. Tell me why.

>> Why?

>> Wait. Go ahead. I got

>> for the same reason that I condemned