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>> I don't got I don't got a

You don't want to talk to me cuz you

feel I got a cold. That's That's a new

all these new lines of not wanting to

speak to a [ __ ] Communicate. Yo, you

got a cold saying Mark ain't really

really kicking it.

>> Let me get my shades, too. I'm on pure

[ __ ] today.

>> I never seen you sh [ __ ]

>> Okay.

Little Stevie, but a little nerdy.

>> She went to the IMAX.

>> Oh,

hey, you being there.

>> They give you an

in the back. I know. I know your type.

Hey, girl. You know. Oh yeah, they

married. Pardon me.

>> One of us is. Yeah.

>> Both. Both. Ask.

>> How you doing, man? It's good to see

you brother.

>> Likewise, man.

>> I love you, Flip.

>> I love you, too, man.

>> Got a complaint, though. Yo, um, just

want to ask, can I start off asking Mark

some questions? Yo.

>> Oh, please.

>> Listen, so I just want to let you know

I'm on pure [ __ ] today, but

>> as opposed to you.

>> Yeah, my normative faith.

>> Yesterday I went to parents.

>> This is very serious.

>> Yesterday I went to parents teacher. M

okay. My daughter had the nerve to pull

her teacher to the side after school

because he kept saying the word Negro

after teaching about the Negro League.

Now I had to tell her like I almost

called you to tell my daughter to calm

like he's teaching about the Negro

League. She said he used the word Negro

excessively. You can't pull a teacher.

Who the [ __ ] you think you are?

>> WHAT KIND OF KENDO? WAS SHE saying like

you negro sit down?

>> Huh?

>> Like was it like after he was the lect?

>> Yeah, she said that. She said, "Daddy, I

understood he was explaining it but he

he used it excessively." I'm looking at

Princess like, "Wait,

>> I'll stay with Princess."

>> He's talking about the Negro League and

you talking I didn't like that.

>> I felt the way real quick. I felt a

little racist towards my daughter. I

almost sold out. I was almost on your

side, but not cuz you would

say Ricky over here.

>> No, but what I'M SAYING IS I FELT the

way in my in my mind. It's like, come

on, princess. Like some battles you you

could battle and some not. But she said

that she said it like seven times. She

counted it and you pressing teachers.

>> So you were at parent teacher night.

>> I was at parent teacher.

>> Yeah. So I almost called you to see if

they she did something right cuz I

didn't know if I wanted to scold her or

champion her champion your daughter

>> and then and then I came in there with

THE MALCOLM X HOODIE. SO THEY LIKE, "OH,

this they they this family is ON PURE

BUT I'M NOT UP WITH Y'ALL A LITTLE BIT."

You know what I'm saying? So that

happened yesterday, man. I was tired a

little bit. Joe,

>> I'm sorry. What grade?

>> Say it again. What grade?

>> Uh 11th.

She's a junior.

>> Oh,

great. As a junior, I was observing

things. Wait, I was never a junior.

>> So,

no, my question is that if the teacher

if the teacher is teaching about the

NBA, the negro, whatever, the NLB, is he

not supposed to use the word negro?

>> I'm laugh I'm Listen, I'm laughing

because of all the things they could

teach about us. They in there talk about

they played baseball.

>> The school system and how they represent

black people. Come on. Don't start me

today. Don't start me today. Please, not

today. I'm in a good mood.

>> I saw Ammani as parks the hard-hitting

questions.

>> All eyes on me. All eyes on me.

>> Oh man. What's up with y'all, man?

What's up, man?

>> You be in here for too long before you

say what up, man. You be in here for

like 30 minutes before me and you even

speak to each other.

>> That's the old school bag.

>> I hate when he get a shape up.

>> Yeah, you look good. We acknowledge it.

>> You got the clarity sweats on.

>> I thought you was in there to pull a gun

on the barber, [ __ ] He light-kinned

like you. But you good. Yeah, I just saw

it.

>> You look good. What's up?

>> How much? How much is that hoodie?

>> Uh,

>> that's vintage, man.

>> Like a G.

>> A G?

>> $1,000.

$1,000

>> for a hoodie, bro.

>> What it do?

>> I'm not being I'm up like

>> they got wings or some [ __ ] that grow.

What? What it do? It's bulletproof.

>> Get money in here. A THOUSAND. I RESPECT

IT. I I was I That's not my world.

He got like 30k worth of clothes, [ __ ]

He that

>> hoodies.

>> Yeah,

>> but I knew a lot of them was like that.

That's that is merch. But I didn't know

you had like thousand hoodies in that

[ __ ] man. That's what's up, man.

>> Must be nice.

>> Yo, this

>> Freeze, how you doing, man?

>> I'm great, man. Glad to be here. How

y'all doing?

>> Feel great. Feel great.

>> Feel good. I was sick, but now I'm over

it. I feel good, man.

>> I thought I was getting sick again, but

not. No, I definitely got a little chest

cold, sore throat is coming.

>> Whole house coughing.

>> They going to keep sending a kid over

this.

>> It's the kid not say a word. I I had

enough one time and said something back.

>> I tried to fight up for dad rights like

your dog.

>> They Huh?

>> Huh?

>> They going to send the kid.

>> No. Okay.

>> Yeah. The primary with the Got

>> I don't get it.

>> No. Go ahead.

Anyway,

to step on a moment this [ __ ] with

muteness this mother.

>> Yes, they'll send

one. I said, "What the [ __ ] did I say?

This guy throw me off with this stupid

he just did." Uh,

>> everybody,

>> oh, Isaiah,

>> I can't get sick. As the that's out here

working and moving around, I don't have

time to get sick. I'm the last person

that both of us should want to get sick.

Talking about But you're a dad.

But you're a Y.

>> Anyway, I'll be fine though.

>> Hey, you send your kids to school sick

on purpose?

>> How sick?

>> A [ __ ]

>> How sick is the no fever?

>> Yeah, maybe. Or light fever.

>> You going to school?

>> Okay.

>> Yep. The daytime nanny. You going to

school, bro? Oh, school.

>> I do it, too. I ain't know if I was the

only

>> n as long ain't no fever. Yes, you do.

>> My stomach hurt. Don't worry about it.

You be all You'll be all right.

>> My son was cough. I had to give him a

steroid to stop the cough.

>> God damn.

>> No, but it was good. I just needed to

stop till he got through the door.

>> Once I hit Once I hit 80, I was good.

>> Oh [ __ ]

>> man. Is that weather? And it's supposed

to snow.

>> Yeah, state of emergency or some [ __ ]

over a little snow.

>> Yeah,

>> I miss the snow.

>> Yeah, me too.

>> All right, y'all got to have that

[ __ ]

>> Just saying.

I miss the snow. What you I like a

little bit snow. What you miss about it?

>> I'm a New Yorker. True and true and

true. I I'm here for the change of

weather. The contrast seasons changing.

It's a beautiful thing. I can have

winter without the snow.

>> Are you going out there?

>> We've had winters without the snow.

>> And I'll take that.

>> They ain't They ain't really been

winterish to me. It don't got to be a

blizzard snow. Just some snow.

>> Are you going to play in the snow?

>> Why you not going?

>> All right. So [ __ ] you don't miss the

snow, [ __ ] Are you going to sit

outside?

>> Might I might

>> Okay. Well, let me see.

>> I might sit outside. Yeah, let me see.

>> I might sit on a balcony. I might I

might take a trip, [ __ ] I might go to

Colorado somewhere where

>> Who the [ __ ] are you talking? I love the

snow.

>> All right, let me see. I just want to be

>> snow police words.

>> CUZ [ __ ] JUST BE SAYING [ __ ] MAN. I

missed the snow. No, you don't miss the

snow [ __ ]

>> No, you [ __ ] could go to [ __ ] Y'all

can move to Florida or somewhere where

it's [ __ ] sun is out all year.

>> That's me.

>> N I don't want that either.

>> If I could live in LA, I would I would

be there 12 months.

>> And Ice, I know where you live. You not

even shoveling nothing

>> at all. No, I ain't shoveling [ __ ] It's

a d your car. Your car got that good

defrost.

>> Your car got that good that you Yeah,

that [ __ ] come right off.

>> It's a dub for that. I ain't shoveling

[ __ ]

>> Say

>> really? No.

>> I don't either.

>> Hell no.

>> You going to tip? You going to tip the

[ __ ] that shovel us out?

>> I don't even see the [ __ ] that do it. I

don't know when it's done. Ain't nobody

to tip.

>> Yeah, they do that [ __ ] early, right?

>> Is Do you shovel your build? All your

properties do you shovel for the

tenants?

>> Yeah,

>> you yourself.

>> Yo, is all right. If it's close,

>> that's dedication.

>> That is dedication.

>> Yo,

>> landlord of the year right there.

>> Get in the car and drive them.

>> Come on, bro.

>> You got to get a guy.

>> You not out there.

>> You got guys.

>> I shovel, [ __ ] If it's his clothes

out,

>> YOU NOT OUT THERE SHOVELING, BOY. STOP.

Y'ALL [ __ ] BE LYING, [ __ ]

>> I don't believe it either, but I was

going to let it ride.

>> YOU KNOW WHY HE BE BODYING THE STONE

FACE? YOU BELIEVE HIM? NO, WE DON'T

BELIEVE YOU. YOU NOT OUTSIDE SHOVELING,

[ __ ]

>> OKAY.

>> What time you getting in your car and

driving their house to shovel? going

>> at one time.

>> Okay, I apologize if

>> I believe that before I believe he

paying somebody to go out to get in

trouble. He going to get some trouble.

>> Well, that guy he got that I saw him

with don't charge much.

Mr. Dish is freezing.

Hey yo, take these gloves. He kind of

[ __ ]

TAKE THESE LITTLE SOCKS. M FACT, DOUBLE

IT UP. LET ME TAKE MY [ __ ] OFF. I GOT A

HE SIT OUT THERE WATCHING [ __ ] SHOVEL,

TOO. IN THE CAR. Just watching

>> just shoveling or or the salt? What you

saling to?

>> Calcium with rock salt.

>> Yeah. If you want to get fancy and how

much of it?

>> No, I leave a [ __ ]

>> How much salt? You trying to tell people

to take a little scoop?

>> I leave a bucket at each house. I leave

a bucket. A 5 lb a big bucket.

>> Okay. That's cute.

>> But do you Is that extra? Did you salt

it?

>> Yeah, I salt it. [ __ ] you leave it by

hand. You got to leave the cup. The

little the little little [ __ ]

>> and you leave a cup in there.

>> Black ice.

>> What the [ __ ] is that?

>> Is there any black ice in your province?

>> Oh, that's the fancy salt.

>> Yeah, that's the [ __ ]

>> Yeah. No, no, no. Rock salt.

>> Got the dollar salt, right?

>> I don't need no pellets. Give me Give me

$13 bag, that $40 bag. Stay in the

depot. I'm good.

>> Damn. I got to do the calculation,

[ __ ] each house

of work.

>> You show. You show me. I want to You

show me. Yo, bro. You show off here. I

get it.

>> Even when it's deep.

>> Yeah.

>> It's It's laws for snow. For landlords.

You got a snow.

>> That's why you need a guy, though. So,

you ain't got to drive in that [ __ ] when

it's

>> a blizzard out there.

>> Go ahead. You do that. Put Put your

faith in the guy.

>> Oh, yeah. The guy not going.

>> Put your faith in the guy.

>> Well, you paid him enough and then I got

>> Yeah, you got to pay him right.

>> Got people that come by every time it

snow. Mhm.

>> You pay them right, don't you?

>> Yeah.

>> Yo, who's got you this thing?

>> I have to figure I can't I get and I I

ain't going to lie. I know this guy.

>> A lot of people.

>> Yo, WHY WHY DO YOU THINK THAT people be

lying? Yo, I didn't say nothing about

lying.

>> You like, "Yo, who's watching this?" Cuz

you I'm saying some kind of No, I'm not

saying you're lying. I shovel my snow,

bro. It's nothing wrong with shoveling

snow. Who the [ __ ] is watching this? I

got to get to the I'mma figure it out

like the chair company [ __ ] Yo, that's

going to be my cheer company purpose.

>> It's just got somebody that's [ __ ]

looking at it

>> and he know it.

>> You crazy.

>> Look at this.

>> Yo, you're crazy, bro.

>> Every time you get a [ __ ] like when you

look [ __ ] up, you you let [ __ ] look.

You look sharp.

>> I look [ __ ] up sometimes.

>> Sometimes you be so stupid.

>> Ever seen a talkative mysterious

like I'm about to get into this [ __ ]

now. He pissing me the [ __ ] off cuz I

know him for too long for this to even

still be for what?

specific.

>> Oh, all right. Cool.

>> I don't know. How you talkative and

mysterious?

>> It's impressive,

>> my [ __ ] People ask me direct

questions. I answered the questions. Yo,

you shovel your own snow? Yeah. No. No,

you don't.

>> But look how you do.

>> I do though.

>> Yeah, I shovel it.

>> And y'all said no. I do this a face.

>> I ANSWERED YOU,

>> [ __ ] COMMUNICATE. Do you? Yes, I do.

And let me tell you how. You don't do

that. YOU DO EVERY MIC DROP. LIKE,

>> it was No, no, you don't. Can't possibly

shovel you on snow. You lying. Mr. East

gave him socks. ALL THAT [ __ ] NO,

[ __ ]

I put on my old North Face. I get

outside with my ski pants on.

>> Dope one, too. And shovel my own snow.

Bro, how early?

>> You got to wait until it's finished

snowing. You got a certain amount of

time after it finish snowing at the

show.

>> So, if it snows overnight, are you out

there at 600 7:00 a.m.?

>> Nah, I probably get out there like

10:00.

>> I ain't bad.

>> No, it's fire. Okay.

>> You're a good landlord, man. Yeah, I

try.

>> You cut the grass, too.

>> That's why you wanted to rent.

>> Yeah, sometimes

>> he probably used that too. Freeze. I

SHOVEL YOUR SNOW, [ __ ] WHERE MY WHERE

MY RENT AT?

>> I don't think he refers to his tit.

>> Oh, yeah. Pardon me. Shove your snow be.

>> A little more ll. Yeah, a little more ll

than that.

>> I shovel your snow be. Where am I at?

>> Yeah, that's what I do, bro. You got it.

>> You too cool. Look at that [ __ ] I love

you. I think about you when I go home.

>> For real.

>> You shovel your

>> I do. That's cute. You show your snow.

Send the people.

>> He don't know what snow is.

>> I'm lost. He used to Joe, you want me to

wipe the car down? That [ __ ] don't be in

the snow. They still wipe it down.

>> I I have managers.

>> Gotcha. The people Yeah.

>> Yeah. They get Yeah,

>> they get to it.

>> They get to Gotcha.

>> Yo, I had the wildest podcast dream. I'm

listening to y'all. It's kind of like my

dream a little bit.

>> Oh, man. No, for real.

>> That's funny when you have the work

dream.

>> Yo, dog.

>> I ain't even the dude to be remembering

his dreams either.

>> Me neither.

>> Do y'all?

>> No, not often.

>> Some of them. Do y'all dream a lot?

>> Yeah. But if they go out as soon as I

wake up, it's it's over.

>> I don't even think I really neither. I

used to. I don't dream no

>> no more. Taking that melatonin.

>> Yeah.

>> [ __ ] got a lot going on in my life.

Parks.

>> I I ain't going to lie. I don't remember

the last time I had a drink.

>> Damn. Damn.

>> Wow. That's way depressing

>> for real.

>> Yeah. Damn. So,

>> let me guess. Life is just kicking.

>> I don't know what that means, but I

don't be dreaming a lot. When I was

young, I did.

>> Just be darkness.

>> Yeah.

>> I just go [ __ ] them all.

>> Then I wake up

to dream.

>> I [ __ ] once I [ __ ] them all, it was

like more drinks, tomato, tomato.

Oh

>> yeah, we was somewhere pardoning and we

was it was all of us though

>> like all of us Mona the whole everybody

right

>> but we was somewhere remote pardon and

it was a big ass space and it was

somebody that we whoever we was talking

to we had to do that interview it wasn't

booked but we had to do it and as we was

doing that Dr. Unmar walked in. Oh [ __ ]

Okay.

>> And now I'm trying to rush whoever the

[ __ ] this is, but they won't get up. And

then Rory and [ __ ] more people come

in. And I'm like, "Oh [ __ ]

>> and then Mandy came."

>> Oh, that's the home for you.

>> Podcasters just started [ __ ] the JBN

>> showing. No, it's not. No, no, it's not.

Not at all. Why was that happening?

Then a fight broke out outside right

broke out outside. So then then the

interview was over but then I couldn't

interview. It was able to break it up.

>> Who was fighting you? I assume

>> I don't be dreaming about work.

>> Who was fighting?

>> People outside.

>> Oh. Oh, not inside.

>> Oh, okay. Okay. People outside. But then

we rushed outside

>> and then it got hectic outside and then

I couldn't interview nobody. It was

over.

>> Wow. That's a wonderful dream.

>> What lesson did you take from that

dream?

>> Thank you for that dream. None [ __ ]

dark.

>> What? I just

>> none.

There was no lesson. We should interpret

how many dreams we have. We should

interpret all that stuff. Well, I didn't

take anything away from it. I just woke

up like, damn, that was interesting.

>> He's the king.

>> I forgot all about it, too. Y'all

started talking.

>> The umbrella. You know what I'm saying?

>> Wait. Huh?

>> He's the king. He's the umbrella. He

talked about that partnership. A lot of

people ain't going to survive,

>> right? Then you know the people that

came in, you know, it wants under the

umbrella. So it's just God showing them,

[ __ ] look what you start, look what

you did, [ __ ] egotistical

dream. I slap the [ __ ] out of you, bro.

Don't ever come with no dream like that

again.

>> I didn't pull that from a dream.

>> Rory and and Mandy, [ __ ] all the

[ __ ] over there. Oh, the people that

apparently was on the [ __ ] Shut the

[ __ ] up, [ __ ]

>> I mean, I started with Umar

>> cuz you you you want you wanted them.

That's our guy.

>> Oh my god.

>> That's our guy.

>> I'm done with you.

>> I was in here [ __ ] with knobs. Hold

up man.

>> All right.

>> You doing your off time is your

business.

>> Abdul Carter situation. We're good.

>> How is that?

>> These [ __ ]

>> [ __ ] with knobs.

>> [ __ ]

>> How? Explain it to me.

>> Knob is a a slang word for the penis.

>> Where? Never heard.

>> It's a famous song by a group called

360. They're from Memphis, Tennessee.

You got me.

You got me. You got Oh my god. Over here

with

>> Okay, that's crazy.

>> I've been over here [ __ ] with N.

>> Oh my. See, look.

>> That's crazy.

>> Okay, I'm done with y'all for real. That

was funny.

>> I don't know how that got sped up like

that. Enough

daddy.

>> Who is that? Who is that?

Who is who is that?

[ __ ] [ __ ] [ __ ]

>> And flip flip flip flip flip. Yo. Hey,

put some bass in y voice. Flip. Flip.

Flip. Flip. Flip. Game over, [ __ ]

>> Flip, flip, flip.

>> Yeah, that was It was It was You're

right.

>> Can we do it again? Can we do it again?

Let's do it again. Let's do it again.

>> Count of three. One, two, three.

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Flip flip flip flip

>> I [ __ ] up flip my flip [ __ ]

too close to the rim

>> I know

that

>> I know

I know

Joe what episode is this

>> uh 883

>> 883 welcome to episode 883 of the Joe

button podcast brought to you by fueled

by power by prize piss prize pitch

I'm Joe Button. This is Queens Flip.

Queens get the money. That's our good

brother Dr. Mark Lamont Hill. That's our

good brother ish right there. That's

Freeze the Freeziest of them all. Y'all

know him. That's Parks. That's Po. This

is Cory.

>> What happened?

>> What happened?

>> I'm not going to do it to you. I love

you

>> now. What happened?

>> Now,

I love you too. I love him, too. What

you call him?

>> What you did? This is my man, man. Do

>> some [ __ ] He was doing some

[ __ ]

>> Absolutely some [ __ ]

>> Look. Yep. Look at him though.

>> Look at him. Some [ __ ] Guilty face.

Such a guilty face.

>> Yeah.

>> Did it.

>> Oh no. Well, that part ain't in

question.

We seen him do it.

>> Oh, we seen him do it.

>> Old [ __ ] too. Now we got to talk about

it a little bit for a second now. Cuz

first of all, you should put a minute

work sign on the door or uh Oh [ __ ]

>> Or uh uh do not disturb or some [ __ ]

Put a sock in the handle.

>> But he don't. So he got THE DOOR JUST

WIDE OPEN. You getting crazy was in here

wide open crazy right? So they went

>> he was [ __ ] with the knob

was IN WITH THE ADABI.

>> SO then when you hear when you hear a

door slam or some [ __ ] like that should

be like okay

>> let me put it away.

>> Someone's coming.

>> Let me do something. Let me get up close

the door. I'll get back to this I get

back to this [ __ ]

>> He old [ __ ] here couldn't do that.

So now the door was wide open. So

somebody walked by, he got the blanket

over there.

>> Oh [ __ ]

>> Oh [ __ ]

>> What the [ __ ]

>> This nigga's a old [ __ ] man. The

Terminator pumps

back.

>> So anyway, Cory is here.

>> Erikson is here. Tanner Savani here by

remote. Last, but certainly not least,

each and every one of you guys

>> are here, man. Everybody look good,

smell good. Come on, let's get right to

it.

>> Let's get right to it. I I was up at

5:00 a.m.

>> watching The Reckoning.

>> Right to it.

>> That is the Puff Daddy piece, executive

produced by 50 Cent. I don't even think

that's fair because there's a lot more

names involved in this piece.

>> Oh, yeah.

>> But 50 is kind of

>> he's the star name.

>> Yeah, but it's mad other names.

>> So, but [ __ ] it. Executive produced by

50 Cent on Netflix. It's a four-part

series.

>> Was there any other industry names on

there or just other names?

>> That's what I was about to say.

>> Let me see if I can

>> just out of curiosity like

>> any names. No.

>> No.

>> Oh, okay.

>> No, if that's what industry name.

>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I was thinking like

record exacts or anything like that.

>> Oh, they No, but it's not just by one

person is is what I'm saying. like I'm

sure those people are accomplished and

have, you know, so this is them coming

together and it it's my point is it's a

very well done piece.

>> Dope.

>> It's a very

>> Well, well, depending on who you

>> I like well done documentaries. Let me

put it that way.

>> Me, too.

>> Um

>> I'm glad it wasn't a quick hack rush job

>> cuz they did a bunch of

>> They didn't come off like that at all.

>> Yeah. Yeah, they did. Hulu was going

crazy. Everybody just had a bunch of

>> And yeah, just show the same footage

over and over again.

>> It was a bunch of [ __ ]

>> Yeah.

>> Yeah.

>> Now, this one was very well done. I

watched when episode one was on, I said,

"Okay,

>> you're recapping. I've I've heard all of

this. They're going they're starting at

his earlier years and background and

>> yada yada and just how he the early

stages of and I'm like, "All right,

we've seen all of this

>> before."

And I mean, most of the footage we've

seen, part two was about, like I just

saw it a couple hours ago, so bear with

me. Part two was about

Biggie and the West Coast and Pac and

>> more [ __ ] than we've seen before.

>> Yeah, but told differently.

>> Okay. Okay.

>> Told differently.

This one did more.

>> It basically blames Puff for Biggie and

Pac. Okay.

Wow.

>> This piece, which is something we've

heard before.

>> Yeah. This piece take takes a lot of the

reasonable doubt away. Like

>> they do a good job of laying it at his

feet. I was pissed by episode two.

>> I was absolutely pissed by

>> pissed at the dock or pissed at Puff.

>> Yeah,

>> Puff.

>> Oh, okay.

Because the way the doc is framing it

was big didn't want to go to LA at all.

>> Like that little segment and we maybe

have heard that before. This doc did a

good job of making you say

>> right after Pac dies. Why would Biggie

want to go to Yeah.

>> LA to finish recording the album? Like

that just

>> sounds real stupid today.

>> It does a little bit. It does. And then

they got interview and then they got

interviews with all these key people

where even if they are saying something

you heard before they saying a little

more indepth. So they got the guy saying

I forgot his name. Sorry. Uh they got

him saying yo Biggie was supposed to go

to LA and then run with me over to

London two days later but

that didn't happen. He was urged to

stay. I mean and then they get into the

uh swapping of the Rolling Stone cover

again. more things that you have heard

>> but how it how

>> it's framed differently

>> somebody and again maybe that's 50

there's somebody in the no putting this

timeline together

>> yeah I was saying [ __ ] him for the big

by episode two

>> really I got to watch this I'm watching

today for sure

>> episode three then they get into the

>> women and just you know where this

>> that you know where it goes and four is

the end

>> okay

>> and For his stand,

>> how was it in like at him?

>> At Okay, now. Okay. Now, Cassie, they

got footage of They just got They got

all the footage. They got footage of

>> Ryan Leslie bringing Cassie in the

conference room and then Puff at the in

the studio with Puff saying, "Yeah, I

like this song, but I want to love it. I

need a rapidity to do this part that you

on Ryan Leslie." And then there was no

more Ryan Leslie. Then it was Kim Porter

was the wife, but then Cassie was the

wifey. And then when Kim Porter would

come around, he was saying Cassie to go

to the spa or some [ __ ] cuz they

couldn't be around each other. Then they

got [ __ ] Albby Shore in there. Got

Eric Surman in there talking about Misa.

>> Wow.

>> Talking, yo, when Puff met Misa, yada

yada. Like it's just

>> wow

>> a whirlwind of [ __ ]

>> I won't call it a hit piece because they

did focus on his success as well. Okay.

And that's the story they were telling.

It's like,

>> but the success drove him to be a

monster. Is that how they framed it?

>> No. No, I won't say that. But

the guy you just the guy that got away

at at every turn

>> and continued to rise

>> and rise more. And then when this guy

got dead, the Danny Kane, they went into

the whole making of the making a band

[ __ ] and what that looked like with

today's ears and climate.

uh his relationship with Aubrey

>> and how he was sending her [ __ ] on some

>> Did they put her in?

>> Yo, I'm masturbating tonight. I'm gonna

think of you and y I want to [ __ ] And

when that didn't go right, uh

then they pan right through the footage

of him kicking out the group and she

looking at him like,

>> "Oh,

>> she looking at him like, "Yo,

>> did she speak? Did she speak in the

dock?"

>> Huh?

>> Did she speak in the dock? Uh, I think

so.

>> It's all fuzzy.

>> It's all fuzzy.

>> Rewatch. You have to rewatch.

>> Oh, no. This is

>> It's all fuzzy. But she looked at him

like, "My man,

really?" Cuz he's in sitting there

saying, "You're not provocative enough.

You're not promiscuous. You

>> [ __ ] right."

>> Yeah. And then it got into when I was

done with Danity Kane, he [ __ ] exed

that whole group, took Dawn, put in

dirty money. now is him in the group. So

it's he's the focus. The story they kept

trying to tell was he always wanted to

be the focus.

>> The executive who had all these artists

but

>> wanted to be the

>> I'm the I'm the Yeah, I'm the star.

>> So was insert the Suge speech from

awards.

>> Well then they got into Suge. They got

into what he said at the Source Awards,

what Puff said at the Source Awards, how

Suge was Albby Shore's bodyguard and and

how that turned to executive. And this

was just a very

>> well done piece involving a lot of info

that you know but

>> framed

>> framed a certain way and with some more

[ __ ] cuz cuz now cuz they have footage

of and this is what I guess Puffs people

was beefing about. They have footage of

like 6 days before the arrest.

>> Yeah.

>> Uh they got fresh footage of him in the

car.

>> Oh [ __ ]

>> God damn.

>> Him talking to lawyers. I saw him

arguing.

>> Yeah. talking to lawyers. That's the

clip that was going viral uh yesterday

was him in Harlem hugging people. Oh,

that they didn't do that no good either.

The doc was like and when everybody

turned their back on it was totally

over. Now you're back in Harlem. Now

you're walking around. You're a man of

the people on all of these like they was

making it seem

No, they're not making it seem. At one

point he was they said he don't [ __ ]

with black people. Oh [ __ ] Damn. Yeah.

They said that [ __ ] Wow. I hate that

I'm the only one that saw it. So, y'all

just like

we'll have the report cuz I'm kind of

scatterbraining this whole thing because

I was just taken aback.

>> Well, it seemed like Diddy's people were

taking a back, too. When the piece came

out with the footage, they said, first

of all, they called it a shameful hit

piece.

>> Uh, but they said, his lawyer said,

quote, stolen footage uh was never

authorized for release. So, there's a

either there's a rat or somebody's

lying. I thought that from what I know

is that the person that records the

footage, the footage belonged to them. I

don't think that puff

>> unless they signed some

I don't think that he had time or he had

the person sign anything cuz in my mind

I met the person at the I met the

person.

>> Don't usually they how you sign that

[ __ ] before you even start recording.

Yeah, but not when you going through all

that [ __ ] I don't think hasty or

whatever.

>> Well, a person like Puff,

>> I don't think he thought about it

though, Free. I thought the same thing

as just before you going to jail. You

know they coming to get you. So you

trying to put out some [ __ ]

>> You just record. Well, here's what

Alexandria Stapleton said, which speaks

to what y'all said. Alexandra Stapleton

is the uh the director of the docu

series.

>> She's the one that was doing the press

with 50 and all that.

>> She said, "It came to us. We obtained

the footage legally and have the

necessary rights. We moved heaven and

earth to keep the filmmaker's identity

confidential." One thing about Shawn

Combmes is that he's always filming

himself and it's been an obsession

throughout the decades, which might

answer the other question. We also

reached out to his legal team for an

interview and comment multiple times but

did not hear back. So it sounds like

like to your point like he they ain't

getting no illegal footage.

>> No, it wasn't illegal. It's just it's

just the person that gave it to them.

You might look at them funny,

>> right? And the reason Puff might do that

like if you're obsessed with filming

yourself and you know you going to

prison in 4 days that might be why

>> he may have had his own doc plans or

>> I'm sure

>> or especially be one. Well, that's the

other thing I said to myself watching is

like there's footage from 89. Like,

>> wow.

>> I was outside in '94. I can't find a

[ __ ] a video of me doing [ __ ] It's a

It It's a lot of footage

>> of him doing everything. That's the

other part that was I'm telling you

they had one of his male escorts on

and the dude said every March 9th

religiously no matter where I was him

and Cassie flew me out to be where they

was at specifically on March 9th.

>> Wow.

>> That's a little creepy.

>> That's a little

>> That's what I'm saying. there's a lot of

other [ __ ] that was just like And then

later on he goes on to say

uh he goes on to say that toward the end

of their whatever they were doing

they would collect his semen

in a cup

>> and he didn't say nothing for a few

times and then finally he did he was

like yo what the [ __ ]

>> are you doing with my semen.

>> Yeah.

>> And they said Puff was like, "Yo, I like

to make her drink it, play with it,

douse it." Why? What? What's the problem

with it?

>> And then they have some They have him on

that type of [ __ ] very early too,

earlier than

>> all of this. But you know that that's

there.

>> You know that that's there. But back to

the Dirty Money [ __ ] from Megan the Band

to Dirty Money. The story that they were

telling in there, the other girl from

Dirty Money, I forgot her name.

Kala.

>> And let me just say the Dirty Money

album is a classic. Great album.

>> The Dirty Money album is a classic.

>> And the remix album too.

>> Fire.

>> They did a remix album.

>> So they got her saying that the

relationship between Puff and Dawn was

very strange as well.

>> Like

like if you ever met a billionaire, what

would you do to be his girl or be in his

>> concubine? Whatever. Yeah, Kina.

>> All while Cassie is there. So, it's just

it painted. It's a lot of facts. It's a

lot of footage.

However, they got the footage, it

certainly helped in this in this story

they were telling. It did, right? It

did.

>> Wow.

>> It did make you feel like at the end he

didn't get enough time.

>> Really?

>> Really?

>> It would have to. They show the shine

[ __ ]

>> They showed a girl. They show too much

[ __ ] to where it's like

if you don't believe this or if this

didn't do it for you or if this didn't

do it for you. It's like certain [ __ ] is

too consistent in the story that they

tell.

>> Did they mention anything about the

trial like where the state [ __ ] up or

the feds or whoever was

>> trying it or anything like that?

>> No. Before every episode they give you

they did the black screen with the

puppet serving such and such. He is

charged with such and such and such.

>> Got it. he wasn't charged with such and

whatever they said on the black man. I

don't even read them [ __ ] after once I

see it saying the same thing. But

>> right.

>> Yeah. What a [ __ ] up start to the

morning to to to to watch it. It wasn't

heavy.

>> And then it's banger after banger after

banger after banger in this.

>> Oh, they the music.

>> I mean, yeah. You can't tell the story

without

>> I don't know. They had license for it.

That's why I was Oh. Oh, that's

>> some of the music. I mean, Benjamin's

came on, More Money, More Problems came

on. The awards with him performing with

Sting coming out. It's like every and

even that is real sinister if you get

into what they're trying to say.

>> I wonder how they got that. I guess

that's fair use.

>> Fair fair use that whoever whoever was

in charge of collecting the footage and

the

>> and the paper clipping did the right

thing. They did their thing.

>> Yeah. You went crazy.

>> Yeah. But I can't wait to watch. And

then Puff is saying this [ __ ] is a hit

piece because of that that little clip

they got going around of him saying I

need a shower and

150 people so I need to bathe and

cleanse myself. I need to stand hand

sanitizer. Oh buddy,

>> that ain't it.

>> Who cares about that?

>> No, that's absolutely nut. I actually

agreed with him.

>> Oh, he was right about that.

>> I absolutely agreed with him. If I'm out

here just hugging and kissing and I'm I

want hands shake 50 hands. Yeah. I mean,

but he seem to shake 50 other things at

these parties. I mean, I'm saying you're

a germaphobe. It just Yeah. A lot of

knobs. I'm like,

>> but I'm telling you, that was part of

them attempting to frame it like, "Yo,

dog, you like them. You don't [ __ ] with

them." I get that.

>> I can take that with it. I could be with

anybody. But I get what you say

>> cuz I would do the same thing.

>> Yeah.

>> No matter what the what the crowd,

that's enough.

>> I'm willing to wash my hands. Like, it's

not the craziest. Then the the the from

the that to the S rock deal like this

guy has been the pinnacle of success for

they got into Shawn John. It's like this

guy

>> elevated

>> has had no I had 60 80 and 100 million

in

>> the 90s.

>> Yeah.

>> Late 90s.

>> Yeah. That's a long time now. But

>> a lot of [ __ ] money.

>> In the in the recent footage he's like

yo I'm on my way to the bank to deposit

200 million. They they holding the bank

open for me.

>> Yeah.

>> God damn.

>> Some light. Hold the bank open. I hold

the bank open too for 200. You

>> got to hold the bank.

>> Oh, for sure.

>> You want the man? You want the boss?

>> Especially if you if you if you

understand how banks work. Word.

>> What? They going to take the bank 200.

>> The bankers stay open for a week,

>> bro. You bring in 200 million.

>> Off of 200. They going to make 2

billion, $4 billion. Whatever the [ __ ]

they going to make off your 200 million.

>> Mhm.

>> Yeah.

>> They open. We'll leave this [ __ ] open.

You can come next Thursday. We won't

close.

>> You want flat or sparkling?

>> We'll leave it open whenever you feel

like it. Just show up.

>> Crazy.

>> It left me saying I wish he had like

real friends at some point.

>> But when you making that much and you

worth that much, you don't get that.

>> And you that type of

>> You don't get that if they

>> And I'm not saying that he don't. But

I'm saying if if you're that type of

person, can you even have real friends?

What? Well, that was going to be my

question because I mean we see other

billionaires.

>> You can have real friends if you're that

type of person. I'm saying

>> you can have real friends.

>> I disagree. You can I don't think so.

>> I think I think that the narcissism in

these people will

>> real friend. We saying it under the it

it implies that the real friend is a

good guy.

>> Yeah. But the real friend to hold you to

the fire or make you accountable for

certain [ __ ] And certain narcissistic

people with that level

>> going to kick the people away from you.

>> Yeah. you get away from me if you're

telling me the truth.

>> Not necessarily.

>> Well, let me ask you a question.

>> I'm not I'm not saying that because I I

do think that I do think that he has

somebody somewhere that is a real

friend. I was going to be my question.

Does anybody know who that person is?

Cuz I've never heard, you know, like

people like Hov, you know, he has a crew

that he came up with. A lot of other

Dre. I mean, there are people who have

who are billionaires who have crew. I

just never I never heard of like a

>> a long-term close

>> puff friend. Drock, you say?

>> Okay. Yeah. I'm asking cuz I don't know.

I don't

>> I think there are names out there the

same way he just said Drock. I'm not

going to name names here, but I I do

think one that

>> that could be

>> that will hold him accountable.

>> Yeah,

>> that's good.

>> It may not be many and I don't want to

sound like I'm vouching saying

confirming. I can't confirm but I ain't

going to say your name by hearing some

of these people talk a lot of people uh

looked at it as a as a benefit. I I

sense a lot of fear also. You know what

I mean? He instilled fear in some way. I

was just telling JR the same thing. Like

people were scared of Puff, you know

what I mean? And and and this is why

somebody would record footage and he

wouldn't have to sign a document cuz a

[ __ ] would even play with Puff and do

that. You know, Puff would have to be

incarcerated in order for a person to

even play with him like that to even

give up footage. [ __ ] wouldn't do that

regular. He wouldn't even need any

contracts. You know what I mean? Cuz as

I stated, JR and I met the person who

was capturing the footage, you know what

I mean? So, but

>> did you get a sense of what the footage

was for? Did they say anything to you

about it? Yeah. Well, it was it was full

recording. I mean, it was outside the

courthouse. They recording the Suns.

Like, it was a thing that like Joe was

saying, he was trying to record. It was

told to us that they trying to get a

documentary. Puff wanted to record this,

want to record his whole journey cuz

Puff felt that he would be he was coming

home.

>> So, that's what he wanted to do, but it

just did a a whole 360.

>> 180

>> 180 bomb me.

>> Sorry.

>> The world has never seen nothing like

Puff.

>> Puff is in that. Puff is in that

that

>> Yeah. a different the the world has

never seen nothing like this before.

Like even watching it, you never seen

you never saw a sinister

mega talented, more talented than

everybody slash by gangster that so like

this guy is is in his a league of his

own. M

>> he is it's dark and it's twisted and

there's some other words that come to

mind but you ain't never seen

>> I mean you know that's that's been the

thing that's been said you know

whispered for for years when it was like

everybody that left there had to run to

some religion at some point like what

did you see there that was that bad

>> that I got to get away from this [ __ ]

and get religion

>> when you and I'm telling you with all of

this [ __ ] I still think

that if he comes out and says the right

rehabilitative [ __ ]

America loves

a path.

>> I think for sure.

>> Absolutely.

>> His resilience, his persistence,

and his just overall

willingness and drive to win is

something you can't teach. He's also

really smart at doing things like buying

a thousand turkeys for the jail. Like

he's gonna do some [ __ ] like that like,

"Oh, he's not such a bad guy."

>> And he also got powerful friends. The

winner, we keep forgetting that.

>> Well, he has dirt on.

>> Yeah. And they know that.

>> Yeah.

>> But I think there make Puff be the black

gain.

>> I ain't saying it like that, but I'm Yo,

Nick. Nick, I'm sure there's a couple

cups floating around, but

>> I'm talking about what he possesses.

>> Yes. I think the [ __ ] that he possesses

and just again, yo, we heard the stories

of him going to Howard, but he's driving

from DC to New York

in a rabbit, you know what I mean? He's

interning. He's going to college full

time and coming back to New York in a

[ __ ] Volkswagen rabbit. Like, that

just speaks to his drive and his

dedication to be great. Like, everybody

won't do that. And I think that certain

[ __ ] just got that in them.

>> Yeah, they just got that in them. That

[ __ ] is a different level of

persistent.

>> That [ __ ] said, "Can't stop, won't

stop."

>> Yeah, bro. Like it's different. I think

if Puff hit the ground today and he was

broke, I think in 5 years Puff would be

back at multi-million easily, like 100

million in 5 years if he was dirt floor

poor. And it makes you think a little

bit is like he he had to be confident in

the outcome because he preserved the

relationships, right? I'm going to use

these relationships if he does have dirt

on anybody at when I need to. Not at a

time like this. It makes you think a

little bit deeper like okay he if we say

he do got dirt on people

>> he ain't use it at all he took the brunt

of it I took everything or he has

>> or he might have used the

>> maybe more people didn't come forward

cuz of dirt maybe more people didn't

sign on to

>> I'm talking about the execs

>> that's what I'm talking about I'm saying

I don't know one way or the other I'm

not saying that's the case I'm just

saying puff is so sophisticated and

power is so powerful

>> that there's no way to know what's

happening behind the scenes unless

you're back there all I'm saying I

wouldn't know one way or the other

>> I think there's also like a billionaire

code where he probably is like, I'm

going to go do my little five years or

whatever. It's going to eat it. I'll be

I'll be fine. I'm not about to piss off

these other billionaires.

>> Right. That's what I mean.

>> Like that they're going to be useful to

me in the 5 years. That's the point.

>> Or they may aren't being useful to me

now.

>> True. True. I agree with that.

>> Can I ask a question about this code?

Because that was one of the things that

came up during the press run. I was

watching um Good Morning America, for

example, Robert Roberts interviewed the

director and 50 Cent and other people.

Uh 50 Cent to your point, Joe, is one of

many people who are part of this series,

but he's been the face of it. And

obviously, he's been using it to promote

the documentary, but also to troll a

little bit on on social media, actually

a lot bit for a long time.

>> That's what he does.

>> And some people are like, "Oh, you got

him. You're the petty king." Other

people have been like, "This is not

okay." For example, J Rule, another one

of his enemies, tweeted today, you know,

this is rat [ __ ] You're a rat. There

were a lot of people echoed that you

know in terms of the code is it if one

of your colleagues does something like

this one of your peers does something

like whatever Puff is involved in and

been convicted of is there some is there

any violation from 50 side to make a

documentary about it?

>> Is he doing anything wrong?

>> 50 plays by a different set of rules

when it come to that [ __ ] though like

you my enemy. It's up for you forever. I

want to do whatever I can to see you

down. And there's some people that roll

with that. I don't think it's rat [ __ ]

because

he wasn't involved in it with him and

like I I think rat was so much rat is

the definition of what rat is.

>> But I don't even mean just a rat thing

because we always debate. I mean kind of

like is it just violating any kind is

there anything [ __ ] up about it.

>> If you're puff

>> Yeah. I mean if if you did that [ __ ]

>> it dep it depends on what side you stand

on.

>> Yeah. Yeah.

>> It depends on what side you stand on.

Like if if you my pard me Joe if you my

enemy for a long time I'm going to do

whatever if if because we can say I

don't think Puff did anything that

detrimental to make you do that. Some

people can say that in his mind it's

like if you my enemy for a long time

[ __ ] I'm going to do whatever it takes

to kick you down keep you down or

whatever it takes to kick your back in.

And if you on the other side you be like

yo [ __ ] what are you doing? Like I

wouldn't do this to you. What are you

doing that's not part of the game?

That's not part of the code. you know,

you're participating or hopping on a

bandwagon to keep a another man down, a

black man, you know, whatever. It's just

depend on what side of the coin you you

stand on. What you saying, Joe? My

fault.

>> No, exact exactly what you said. Either

you're on the side of

it's you're going to feel something when

you see a black man

>> kicking down a black man when he's at

his worst,

or you're on the other side of this is

run of the show. And I don't think that

they're enemies. I think that 50 is in

this is his uh line of work.

>> That's where it gets tricky.

>> I think he's in television now.

>> Yeah, that's where it gets tricky, too.

>> I think it's more than that.

>> Huh?

>> I I I I think he views Puff as his

enemy. And this is my line of work. So,

I can use this to

>> if my enemy anybody else in this line of

work, we not calling into question their

emotions behind when they are doing a

piece.

>> The rules change when you play a

different game. He's he's in a different

sport now. Yeah, he he's in movie and TV

and that's the gig.

>> Yeah, but you ain't did this for nothing

else. Like you are specifically

targeted. We know you've been had beef

with this man for years.

>> Less money and everything else.

>> I'm just saying if if that's my enemy

and I see the opportunity

and this is my line of work here. It's

just a perfect storm. But that's still

my enemy.

>> I'm not saying he's never done this

before. I I think that a lot of what

he's done has been his interpretation or

interpolation of something that

happened. The [ __ ] life series on ABC

true story [ __ ] the BMF [ __ ] is a

true story. So

>> yeah, but I'm talking about trying to

again with enemies, you know, you look

at J every chance he get, he tries to

step on

>> J.

But you inserting the word enemies

>> because I believe that to be his enemy.

That's all I believe.

How? Okay. Then why are the enemies?

There's there's there could be some

there's some there's some whisperings.

>> Oh, I have heard those. I'm I'm not

I don't want broadcast them, but

>> but and if that were to be true, I could

understand it.

>> Well, I think one way to think about ICE

is like there's certainly evidence that

he would have an issue with him. It's

just a question whether that issue rises

to the level of enemy

>> cuz you have beef with somebody but not

not enemy cuz with 50 as an enemy, it's

up forever. Is the puff [ __ ] that

intense or is it also just competition?

>> That's for him to decide.

>> And some [ __ ] you know what I'm

saying? That's that's the line for me,

right? Like if if I'm in the TV business

>> and I could shoot anything, docu make a

documentary about anything and there's

this one thing that

>> could be put out about an enemy. Yeah, I

might take that opportunity.

>> You just did.

>> Yeah, that's different, which we'll get

to too.

>> But if but if it's just somebody who I

have a friendly competition with, then I

might I might I might not double down on

it. Some people are different and

>> say it depends.

>> Some people are better at playing chess,

Mark. That's how I look at it.

>> But what's what's the what's the endg

game? What's what does victory look

like?

>> Because I'm I'm I'm pretty sure that

there were things that if we look at it

from a different scope that Puff did to

take shots at fifth at certain times,

you know what I mean? If you if you just

know the No. So, but

>> wasn't Puff on the I Get Money remix?

>> That's And it was funny cuz when they

were in that studio together, I mean,

all right. So, that's the difference to

me. And I'm not saying like that means

>> but even cuz I mean 50 and Jay have had

tensions but there's no beef,

>> right? And I think that's the

difference.

>> Yeah. I'm that's what I'm saying.

>> Yeah.

>> I think the beef started after that by

the way.

>> Uhhuh.

>> From what I remember. Yes.

>> When when Ho went through this [ __ ]

funny [ __ ] recently. Fifth put it on his

>> Yeah. He was going at him.

>> Was at him.

>> That's say he does a little bit of troll

and he's always competing.

>> And we start this with the the we start

this with knowing that he don't give a

[ __ ] right?

>> Yeah. We start this just with a common

knowledge that 50 don't give a [ __ ]

>> right?

>> And for me, it's hard to find any

blame or assign any blame to 50 cuz Puff

did all this [ __ ]

>> Exactly.

>> That part, too.

>> So, it's like it's one thing if like

Puff just went broke. Let's just say he

developed a terrible heroin addiction

and he had gone broke. No crimes, just

went broke.

>> If you make a documentary about that, to

me, that's that's like petty.

>> That's petty and like unnecessary. But

like making a documentary about somebody

who actually did harm to people

>> and was found guilty in the court of law

and Yeah. Well, that's why calling it a

hit piece uh is laughable because you'll

call the piece on it a hit piece but not

the piece in it.

>> Right.

>> Yeah.

>> Right.

>> Right.

>> I'm watching.

>> I'm definitely going to watch it.

>> Oh, I'm definitely watching.

>> I'm definitely going to watch. I I

thought I was watching 50 do the press

run. Did y'all see him do the press run?

Cuz they were He was basically

downplaying all the beat. He was like,

"There's no beef. We had a little

competition or you know, there was no no

competition. I just didn't like the fact

that he came after, you know, he was

trying to holl at me."

And he was explaining this to Roberts

and I don't think he was like, you know,

he just came at me a little side, you

know, he kept trying to take me shopping

and see what he could he could play with

me, you know, implying that that Puff

was gay. I'm like, you tell us to

Roberts who may be the gayest announcer

on TV. So, it didn't go the way I think

he wanted it to. And then I saw the

director kind of jump in and say, "No,

no, it's not about that. It's also about

all this other [ __ ] A lot of people

were involved in it." So, I think

they're going to have to be very careful

how they

>> frame the wise.

>> How they frame Yes, that's exactly

right. on this press run because you

don't want it to look like a hit piece.

You also don't want it to be about diddy

sexuality, all these other things. If

you want the mainstream to to embrace

this cuz this could win a lot of awards

if it's as good as you're saying it is

cuz people love to give awards to [ __ ]

like this. Just like the R. Kelly.

>> True.

>> You know, they love to give awards stuff

like this.

>> Kelly [ __ ] was appointment viewing.

>> Kelly [ __ ] had each and every one of us

at the TV.

>> I know. I need to go finish watching. I

never I never got through it for real.

>> I never watched it. I I've seen enough.

>> Okay.

>> I didn't watch being around enough

molesters in my day. I've you know, it

was hard to watch. It wasn't It was It

was great the in terms of cine, you

know, in terms of the the doc. I just

sometimes I got to take a break from

>> that stuff.

>> I can dig it. That makes sense.

>> Yeah. And I feel like I should close

this by saying with all of that said,

none of that was my personal experience

with P

>> cuz I hate when people do that. M

>> like you think because somebody was with

somebody that now they saying something

that they saw and No, I'm talking about

the peace and

it's damaging.

Sheesh.

>> You got what you about to say

>> now? You know what I and I know you

closed it cuz you get you don't like

that, but what I battle with is that um

when you know someone

and you know what side of of the

coin you'll stand on to watch someone

that you know and then you you you look

up to or whatever when they just take

another turn or do something that you

may not do. It's very like life is very

tricky sometimes. It's not tricky, but

it's it's a hard pill to swallow because

like what

do I respect this because of the respect

that I have because I wouldn't do it or

>> do I understand it? And that's where it

becomes like for me

>> me I'm only speaking for me personally,

you know what I mean? It it doesn't

matter. But it's it's it's a battle cuz

then you try to find if you like

somebody, you try to make excuses of why

they're doing it. But then to say that

there was a lot of opportunities for me

to do things to people, which I'm not on

that level, but I never did it. So,

>> it's crazy. That's all I want to say.

I'm sorry.

>> Well, it's all about what you believe.

>> Mhm.

>> Yeah. But even if it was all about what

your belief system is.

>> Yeah. But then your belief system may

change depending on the person that's

doing it.

>> Mhm.

>> Like if

>> that happens all the time.

>> It happens all the time. We don't People

don't want to admit that, but that's a

thing.

>> It shouldn't, but it does. You're right.

It happens all the more times than

>> than we know. Yes.

>> It's like I would never do that. Do you

see like ah then you try to cuz you like

them so much or because the relationship

you try to make a reason of oh I can see

them doing that when in all reality

[ __ ] it's like it still is what it is.

You know what I'm saying? So

>> not many people stick to the it is what

it is all the way across the board.

>> I got it. Yeah. It's almost impossible.

>> We all hypocrites. I say it every chance

I get.

>> The number one

>> somehow I think y'all doing that

minimizes something.

>> I don't know that I agree with y'all.

explain what do you

>> and again everyone's belief system is

made up

I understand that right

but triggers are triggers and fears are

fears I think when you start having that

conversation it's deeper than

everybody's a hypocrite or we accept

this from this person and not this

person no there's some people who across

the board have a healthy fear fear of

anything sinister that does not change

contingent on who the person is. But for

a lot of people, like Flip saying, a lot

of people, it's things that they have

this across the board feel about until

it's at their front door.

>> And then they might not necessarily

agree, but they'll go out their way to

try to justify it or to understand it

more because it's somebody that's close

to them or it's happening directly to

their family or something like that.

>> Yeah.

>> Where I could be, I would never go with

this. Never, never, never, never. And

now it's your little brother or your

son, your daughter, some or your mother,

something that hits you real close to

home.

>> You get a little you get a little bit

more room for understanding than you

normally would.

>> Our capacity for nuance expands the more

we love somebody. I think

>> Yeah.

>> And I don't think that means that we

wrong for doing this. Maybe it should

mean we should be more nuanced with

people we don't know.

>> Yeah. See, to me that that that ain't

changing my belief system if I'm against

murder. And that's how I feel across the

board. And I don't want to drag this,

>> but that's how I feel across the board.

And now my son comes home and he's

murdered. Yes, I'm going to be there for

him. Yes, I'm going to have uh

understanding maybe. Uh yes, I'm going

to support him and try to see him for

>> Would you turn him in?

>> Huh?

>> Would you turn them in?

>> I think I answered this before.

>> I know, but I'm just saying. But there's

a lot of people that

>> But what did you say?

>> They might have See, but you say But the

fact you're saying maybe.

>> No, he said year before.

>> But look, the fact I'll say maybe.

>> The fact you're saying

>> I think I lean closer to the year, but

you're stunning me.

>> I think it was depend of the

circumstance. You got I don't think so.

>> But look, just the fact that you say

>> I'm raising men to be to be accountable

for their actions. I'm raising men to

make decisions that help before they get

to that spot. I'm ra I'm raising men

differently than trying to be a coward

or hide them when they do some [ __ ] I

can see not hiding. I'm just not making

the call.

>> Oh [ __ ] [ __ ] you.

>> I'm not hiding you, but I'm not. I can

see not hiding.

>> What did he do? Your kid go shoot up a

school. He come home to you. What do you

do? You're not turning him in. turning

him in. No,

>> you're not calling the police. No.

>> Okay, then we build different.

>> Yeah, we are.

>> We just we just build different.

>> Shooting up at school. I don't know.

>> What I'm saying is I wouldn't I wouldn't

protect him. He get

>> I can understand

school is also not where we started. It

was initially when you when you came

home with murder, I was thinking more

like a street beef. You shot somebody,

not

>> Coline. Well, then I asked a new

question, which to me is in the same

realm.

>> I don't have your kid if your kid do

something. You said there was no world

in which I'm turning them in. I

challenge that. I challenge that. Or

>> I wouldn't say in no world, but I think

it would have to be something as extreme

as extreme as a school.

>> Yeah, but if you just tell me he got a

beef with somebody over some [ __ ] and he

shot somebody and he comes home like,

"Yo, dad, I shot somebody. The police is

looking for me." You can't hide here.

>> Your kid raped. Your kid raped the

neighbor four houses down from you. God

forbid, of course. But now I'm just

throwing extreme situations.

>> I I would force him to be part of an

account. That Yeah, that's different.

>> That falls into

extreme.

>> So you're making you're making a call in

that in the instance.

>> All right. There's a more I'm doing

something. Yeah.

>> I'm specifically talking about making a

call determining. But again, more

police.

>> Honestly, I probably call the neighbor

and say, "Yo, he's here."

>> I don't know if I called the police, but

again, I'd be part of the accountability

>> don't believe in police. I forgot.

>> I'm saying that I'd call the neighbor

like "Yo

>> that got deep."

>> It did.

>> Yeah, it did. Sorry.

>> You went too extreme.

>> I'm sorry.

>> Cuz I started to think

>> I closed the topic and then you brought

it back. I JUST THINK I THINK Y'ALL GOT

these I think some of y'all parts got

these like

>> like hold on too long to these

>> I can't call it hood ideologies cuz we

all approaching 50. I think that we

should start challenging some of the

[ __ ] that we've been raised to think.

I'm not talking about Mark cuz he don't

believe in the cops. But no, I'm not you

can't just come in my house having done

anything. I'm sorry.

>> No, we we agree on that. But hold on.

And I think a [ __ ] just

>> You ain't going to be in the house where

where I'm scared of you now. Yeah, ass

the [ __ ] out. I think a [ __ ] difference

between not hiding you and telling you.

>> I think a [ __ ] should say,

>> "All right, so what you going to do?

Your kid grow up and he he already bad

as hell. He He start beating.

>> I'VE BEEN THINKING THIS THROUGH A LOT.

>> Why you think you're still trading?"

>> Exactly.

Y'all saw that [ __ ] in the basement. It

wasn't It for outside as God. Like what'

you do if your kid just start beating

your ass? You flip.

>> I'mma figure it out.

>> No, he's winning.

>> I'm going to figure it out. I'm going to

figure what out your combination

for you. I think I think I think THE

PROBLEM WITH [ __ ] BUT YOU AIN'T

CALLING THE police call the police. But

I think a [ __ ] should

>> I'LL BE CALLING SOMEBODY.

>> I THINK YEAH I AM CALLING SOMEBODY but I

think a person like you should say cuz

you have the same you had the same

beliefs yo with age with maturity with

life experience. I never had those

beliefs about that he had those beliefs.

>> To call police on [ __ ] THAT HE KNOW

THAT THAT'S MURDEROUS.

>> I don't

>> to call police ON [ __ ] THAT HE BEEN

AROUND MURDERERS. TO CALL POLICE ON THE

[ __ ] THAT HE KNOW THAT'S MURDEROUS. HE

NO, HE HE WASN'T DOING THAT. WE GOT TO

STOP THAT. HE grew as a man and he did

that. All right. I grew

>> SAYING HE'S BEEN AROUND FOR A LONG TIME.

IT'S NOT around with the rap.

>> Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. He could have

been around people that he knew did

criminal [ __ ] He ain't never Let me

finish, bro. That don't mean he that

don't mean he witnessed nobody do some

[ __ ]

>> You could have knowledge of people doing

[ __ ] or you could know these people are

involved in certain things, but he ain't

necessarily never witness it. It's two

totally different things. You're right.

And somebody coming to you saying, "I

just did a murder is different."

>> Or you hearing through the street, "Yo,

such and such did such and such." Oh,

back in the day they did this. The

murderers I know were brilliant enough

to never murder around me.

IT WASN'T LIKE THE DAVE STREET [ __ ]

NO. AND IF THEY DID, it would put ME IN

THE BIND.

>> AND I'M letting y'all know early. Don't

do it around me cuz I'm not going to put

me in the bind.

>> STOP, BRO.

>> WHAT? I'M NOT GOING in the bind.

>> CRAZY.

>> I'M RESPECTING doing your dirt over

there. You can't tell me how. You're

right. You're right. I'm

>> No, I've had detectives come knock on my

door.

>> And you ain't say [ __ ]

>> No, I went to rehab like a real [ __ ] in

the '90s.

Catch me here. I volunteered. The only

one that volunteered in there. They were

so confused.

>> Yo, why don't worry about it. We down.

I'm here with you. That's what I did.

Oh,

>> god damn it. Anyway. Anyway,

>> now it's too

confrontation and I DON'T LIKE [ __ ] I

don't like No, CUZ MAN, I'M THINKING I'M

THINKING I don't like us covering a

topic when nobody saw it but me. I don't

like that.

>> I think we did great.

>> No, that was great.

>> That [ __ ] We did an hour talking about

[ __ ] we don't know about.

>> I was over here like a church spouse

peeing on cotton.

a church mouth being on tell

you been the spokesperson for this whole

dock. JOE,

>> YOU GAVE ME A LITTLE BREAKDOWN, [ __ ]

YOU MADE US WANT TO SEE IT.

>> MHM.

>> I was a well done.

>> You know, you know Puff doing pull-ups.

>> Oh, they going to do pull-ups when he

get that [ __ ] in there doing diamonds.

>> Joe Button.

>> Can't wait to see you, boy. What? No, I

don't think so. Anyways,

>> anyways,

>> now it's time for my favorite part of

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