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>> Shut the

>> I hate everybody.

>> Yeah, you should. You should.

>> You're bullies.

>> You start every episode like that.

>> I hate everybody up here twice a week.

But they up here bullying the Philly

people.

>> They bullying the Philly people.

>> Now when we back to back and get to

swinging in

>> the Philly people got a different type.

Now I can't even say that cuz what up

Philly

>> my sneakers too. I can't even say man.

>> I used to go to the Mitchell Nest store

over there. So

>> see what else y'all got?

>> And Philadelphia is very sought after.

>> That's unique to Philly.

>> Yes.

>> Oh, okay. No, a couple Philly chicks.

Well, they wasn't Philly chick, but they

was working in Philly. They had they had

me on that on that phone at 4 in the

morning trying to get them Uber.

>> Everybody like Philly girls. It's a

fact.

>> Okay.

>> Ice can't say nothing. They moved to PA.

>> It had nothing to do with Philly.

>> I know. I'm just going to

>> was in R. You live in R, right?

>> I want to know. Damn right. That was in

the Lancaster. He was in Lancaster. Same

[ __ ]

>> Puerto Rico.

>> With his relocation. And they kind of

just Puerto Rico by you tell everything.

>> I'm I'm a Rico.

>> I'm a Rico.

>> Half Puerto Rican. Half respect.

>> I was like, I don't think you should say

that on a broadcast.

>> You got a new tag?

>> I got a couple.

>> How often do you get them?

>> I don't know. I wanted to I I have took

years off. So, I just wanted to get my

[ __ ] together and then, you know, I like

tattoos. I got Don't Call Me White Girl.

>> I got JBP.

>> Come on. Eyes lit up.

He was ready to take that to the Patreon

preview street.

>> This is what I really think about Mona's

new tattoos.

>> When I first saw Mona's tattoo, I felt

like

>> I saw you got juice up there. I didn't

know if that was for your home girl or

that something different.

>> It's for my the movie.

>> Yeah, Juice Box.

>> Wait, you got juice box on your arm?

>> I got a juice box, but it's for juice.

>> It's not about juice box. It's not about

juices box.

>> That's what it sound like. You got juice

box on your arm.

>> But I just thought it would be cute to

get a juice box for my girlfriend. Hey,

can the Philly people shut the up? Like

honestly, y'all get into this little

Venus and Serena Phillies ping pong game

that the rest of the world don't give a

we

>> cat they they love it.

>> And you said not you said

>> like say the girl is crazy like that's

prevents them from him.

>> No go depends on what stage you are in

your last say

>> that's not true.

>> What's not true?

>> I'm not with that. If a [ __ ] told you,

"Yo, she crazy as hell, but she was

bad." You you you leaving it alone?

>> No. I'm I'm I'm want you to elaborate on

what crazy.

>> Yes.

>> Cuz it's levels to crazy. Like, yo, she

bust my windows in my car. Crazy. Or she

got me

>> It's other [ __ ] crazy.

>> What's the kind of crazy you could deal

with?

>> I don't like, honestly speaking, I

really don't like none of it.

>> Mhm.

>> Well, what's the kind you would deal

with?

>> Yeah. What's the kind of how you say,

"All right, now we ain't got We ain't

talking about dealing with it. We

talking about

>> I tell I tell you

>> taking it down.

>> Every dude deals with the crazy of who

is that? Why you hit like 17 times? You

know that the girls that over like watch

everything you do. If she bad enough,

you would deal with that.

>> I hit it. But I'm not dealing.

>> That's what we talking about. That's

what we talking about. But dealing with

I don't got to deal with

>> that. We're not talking about dealing

with

>> Yeah. I pop and and but at times then

you pop the crazy chick and she becomes

extra crazy. But you knew ahead of time

that this was a crazy chick. That's what

we talking about. that knows she crazy

and still go in and do it. And then now

you stuck with super crazy.

>> All right,

>> dog. I done told a couple of my homeboy

after after having like, you know, they

they run somewhere and then the girl is

is at the crib talking to you for 90

minutes and I'm in my head like, "Oo, I

can't wait till my friend get back. Get

my friend back." And I know my friend

get back. I pull him aside.

>> Yo yo,

>> get out of there.

>> I shorty pulled me to the side to talk

for 90 minutes. I'm telling you this

chick is a different level of

>> get out of crazy. Get out of me. What

happened? Okay.

>> I know what you're talking about. So I

remember.

>> Well, he love it.

>> He absolutely.

>> Yeah. That that means like go a word.

Thank you.

>> I think some men like it.

>> Used to be some men like it and but I

think it's a age.

>> It's levels man. That's a thing for

sure. For sure. Younger guys might, you

know, they like it. But I think once you

older, you know, already had your

windows busted and had a couple

disorderly, you know what I mean? Cuz

that's what happens. You y'all go to

jail. Think, you know,

>> once you go cut all your electronics up

in your house, you know, all this stupid

[ __ ]

>> That sounded like a personal story.

>> He's he's told

I can remember when I was crazy like

that and how like

>> when you back back back I don't wait

like what

>> when you was getting sausage.

>> Exactly. THAT'S HOW YOU KNOW

>> WATCHING HOW crazy out of crazy pills.

>> But no, I remember like like having that

feeling like he enjoys this which almost

like take the crazy out of it cuz I'm

like what the like that's weird but some

men like that.

>> Mhm.

>> Are you drawn to dudes that are like

that?

>> Huh?

>> Are you drawn to dudes that got a little

crazy in them?

>> I don't think that that's a dude that

has a little crazy in them. Those I

don't know what that is that you like

that. I don't know if they get it

confused with like attention or if it

make them feel they feel sought after or

whatever. But that's weird to me. It's

always been

>> I don't like none of that.

>> Yeah. And then the whole like destroying

property thing like that. I That's

weird.

>> That's what I say all the time. If you

into crazy girls, you probably ain't got

enough experience with

you ain't feel the crazy.

You ain't match. You think you think her

blowing your phone up or doing you think

that's crazy. You ain't dealt with old

girl from thin line between love and

hate crazy ass. You haven't gotten to

that level. You know, had them boys show

up at the crib or had for either of

y'all,

>> right?

>> Crazy is when they don't show up. [ __ ]

You scared to call

it in the bed doing a Cindy Lober video

having an exorcist and [ __ ] You don't

know what to do.

>> Have y'all ever had that crazy where you

were scared of the [ __ ] a little bit?

>> Yes.

>> Really?

>> That's so funny.

>> I I wasn't scared. I wasn't physically

scared, but I've had crazy where

>> I knew that there were no bounds for the

person. It wasn't nothing that they

would do. I mean, that wouldn't do. And

that and that right there is just some

[ __ ] that

>> I've been physically scared. Like, you

better not you better not fall asleep.

>> Don't close your eyes.

>> And don't let her drive.

>> I've definitely had maybe slightly

irrational fears of falling asleep. For

sure. For sure. Certain you can't go to

sleep, right? The [ __ ] out of you.

>> The stabbing that you worry about.

>> When you said don't let her drive, they

used that be my favorite drone. Like I

would drive and be like I smash this

[ __ ] right. That was my thing

>> in that moment. Did you mean it?

>> No.

>> I don't know if I meant that.

>> But I always say but I would always say

like I'mma smash it but I would on his

side. You know what I mean? Like it was

never I'm going to kill when you say

>> smash this side.

>> Yeah.

>> You think you think you can drive like

that?

>> I could drive. I'm a good driver. I just

had this conversation with somebody. I'm

a great driver.

>> You seem like you might got

>> like I don't drive like I'm from Jersey.

You know what I mean?

>> Whoa. Whoa. You're not a good driver.

>> Jersey people can't drive. And it's a

known thing. We're not going to waste

time on

>> that being said, number two in the

country in my personal experience is the

square state, PA.

>> Oh,

>> y'all number two on the list

>> of bad drivers.

>> Correct.

>> Wow. But Pennsylvania.

>> Wait, we ain't about to let Buffalo and

Philly [ __ ] talk about Jersey drivers.

>> Y'all are terrible. That's not true.

Nationally regarded as terrible drivers.

>> Like, why would everybody say it every

>> nationally got to mind their business?

>> Nationally, don't bring up nationally.

Don't bring up.

>> Don't bring up the nations.

>> It's only because you stolen car

stole a car. That's actually how it

feels when I when I'm around Jersey

people.

>> You were from New York.

>> We drive.

>> Cap. And then me and Parks talked about

it last night.

>> LA drivers, DC drivers, and Atlanta

drivers are on this list. Atlanta driver

got the cake.

>> Atlanta is the worst place.

>> When me and Parks talked about it, we

were finishing each other's sentences

about Jersey drivers. Like literally

knew exactly what like what I don't

know. Y'all suck at that.

>> All right. So y'all bonded one night,

right?

>> And y'all can be wrong. Mike all right

with that.

>> Us and everybody else.

>> Yeah, everybody else is wrong, right?

>> Just us and everybody.

>> I came on here and said, I'm back to the

stalker [ __ ] now cuz it's a movie in my

head. I came on here and said when the

stalker girl was a jogger and she was

jogging just by my house,

>> happened to be jogging by your

>> and she said, "Hey, do me a favor. We

need a bottle of water out there for me.

I'm by your house with my kids. red

dress. You remember?

>> Scared the [ __ ] out of us, [ __ ]

>> Oh, please. It scared me so much I was

trembling getting her number.

>> All right. Be my man. Be my man. You You

my guy.

>> She's scared. Yo, she scared ME SO MUCH.

I ALMOST DIDN'T GET THE NUMBER. I HATE

these [ __ ] boy.

>> No, that was some [ __ ] that day. I

don't care. And then pass crazy because

I ain't gonna call it crazy, but when

you when you uh when you meet the girl

that really only like girls,

but then she likes your dick and now

she's open to men. You're the first guy

to have opened her up to men. That

girl's a nutcase.

>> That girl is a absolute stalker.

Deranged.

>> She's also a lesbian.

>> I don't think I [ __ ] that many

lesbians

>> about say I argue that they're not

lesbians.

I guess sexual technical the first you

think that they're not lesbian.

>> You being the first penis that they

enjoy. You think they're not lesbian?

>> No. Your behavior from penis

>> Oh,

>> tells me that you're not a lesbian.

>> Okay.

>> Oh,

>> guess what? I didn't know y'all.

>> Um, lesbians like the harder versions. I

don't know if you're allowed to say like

stud or whatever.

>> I like to say Zeke with a Z. I think

that I think so. My people like it. Um,

they like dick. They be sneak [ __ ]

It's been hearing about that a lot, bro.

Late nightmate night at the Waw Wa and

they get the Waw Wa separately. They get

in the same car. They bros, but she got

a fat ass under the Methodas. You know,

>> first of all, I've always thought that

it suck. Like imagine being a stud and

you got this whole male persona, but you

got a fat old ass on you. Titties, they

try to take the titties down. They be

having fat ass.

>> But they put three sports bars on. They

got one titties, but it's one. It's one

titty in the middle. But when you walk

past with that fat ass and you sagging

on some tough [ __ ] you know what I

mean? It's like, bro, yeah, it's fat as

[ __ ] bro. You know what I mean? That

has to suck. Or you real hippie.

>> Shout out to y'all.

>> The hippie studs. Yeah, the hippies.

>> The hippie studs.

>> But no, they sneak dick and I'm telling

you, they have a craving for it.

>> Okay, thanks for that information.

Taught me that.

>> But can I also add this? I always

thought it was strange men that were

attracted to them because it's like they

get the whole persona is male. You know

what I mean? So what's up with you?

>> I concur.

>> You feel me? I think and when I say that

people are always still a girl, but I'm

just saying her her exterior gives men.

So what attracted you? Like what made

you look through the at the bed?

>> This [ __ ] under the [ __ ]

car.

>> You put on all the do-aggs you want. You

want this [ __ ] under there.

>> Have any of y'all ever like dated a stud

or had sex with you different words

around here?

>> None of you ever hit a stud?

>> No. Ever?

>> No. Put it on your freeze.

>> Freeze. Why you making a face?

>> I ain't making no I'm laughing at Mona.

Bro,

>> you Mark pop one.

>> Do you know something?

>> You said so you know something, [ __ ]

>> Mark one, too.

>> What?

>> Mark pop the stud. Huh?

>> Mark. Mark and Ice. MARK 46 YEARS OLD.

>> WHY AM I IN THIS CONVERSATION?

>> YOU DIDN'T SAY NOTHING.

>> WAIT, that's my thing. WHY Y'ALL DON'T

COP TO IT? I WAS ABOUT TO, BUT THEN ICE

MADE THE FACE. I DIDN'T MIND IT AND THEN

HE JUST SOLD ME THE [ __ ] OUT.

>> I'M MINDING MY BUSINESS.

>> CAN I HEAR FROM Y'ALL? This is

interesting.

>> You took the wave cap off before you

pop.

>> Oh, one of them Newark studs.

>> One of them Newark studs that play bid

whit.

>> He was ABOUT TO TELL THE TRUTH IF Y'ALL

SHUT UP. HE WAS ABOUT to give it up.

I WANT TO HEAR.

>> WAIT, WHERE Y'ALL WHERE Y'ALL MEET ME

AT?

>> Mutual friend.

She spotted you.

>> She's charing the [ __ ] up.

>> [ __ ] [ __ ] UP AT the

pooping [ __ ]

>> That is hilarious.

>> No, really. What happened,

>> bro? We were really good friends and she

was curious.

>> Okay.

>> Ah,

>> that's it.

>> Did she love it?

>> So, you were like the entry. That makes

sense to me. That's a good way to start.

I love what I tell

story.

>> He simplifies everything.

>> By the time you tell it,

>> you mean to tell me

>> he's entry level dick.

Entry level dick.

>> He got a start. She got a start basic.

>> Whatever. Now

>> I know his brain.

>> I know it's it's early. So my brain

ain't functioning all the way yet. So I

got to be wrong. I ain't And I hate that

I'm the guy that always highlighted.

>> I know your brain. What do you mean to

tell me?

Out of all the [ __ ] in Nebraska.

She got curious and said, "You know

what? I need some a little freeze."

>> Yeah, [ __ ]

>> All right. Yes.

>> Big dog [ __ ]

>> Damn right.

>> Big dog [ __ ]

>> Damn right.

>> All right. Well, what say you, brother

Mark? My situation was different. She

What happened was when I met her, she

wasn't a stud.

>> And then I circle back like 5 years

later and she looked different. Like I

bumped into her like at at a at a bar

>> barber shop.

>> At a barber shop.

>> They got line up together.

>> Yo, tape me up.

>> Taping that thing.

>> No, she was she I was like, "What

happened to you?" She was like, "Mark,

you can't do that.

>> What happened to you?"

>> I didn't say it like that, but I was

like, "Oh, you look different." Like,

she was like, "Oh, you know, I'm in the

girls." We exchanged info actually just

to get up. You know what I mean?

>> And you got up and then she sent me a

text at night. Like, you know, I'm still

in the [ __ ] So, we got we I mean,

that was it.

Did she come to boxes in a beater?

>> Word.

>> Only five times.

>> Three.

>> Only three times.

>> Why? Now see, hey, you did your thing.

>> Now, after after y'all were done with

your three times, did she [ __ ] with

dudes more? Did she go back to girls?

>> I thought you

>> I don't know.

>> I think say she

>> No, she No, no, I take that back. Well,

I don't know. This is

>> friends. But this is

>> 20 years ago. Damn there. So, she's

>> she's into girls. She's

>> she

don't bring

>> you ain't rep for the [ __ ]

>> Hey, listen.

>> Got to read the Y review on that one.

>> When y'all were friends, for her to

approach you as friends, I know it

[ __ ] you up. Like you was shocked like

what? Like cuz that's your bro. That

[ __ ] your homie.

>> Yeah, it did. It was.

>> Hey Joe,

>> I'm sorry.

He was like looking behind.

>> All right. And what type of pond we

having today? I think you already know.

NO, BUT I NEED I NEED IT CLEAR. I NEED

IT CLEAR THOUGH. I NEED IT CLEAR.

>> But wait, I see like I'm on [ __ ]

but I do have a serious question for

y'all. Ice and Mark,

was there ever a time where y'all was on

top

and she just was leaned back on some

chills like

>> while you was doing your numbers?

>> You think she was hitting from behind?

>> When I see you,

>> I'm serious. You're never serious. I

promise you I want to know if y'all was

on top.

>> You be on your Pac-Man [ __ ] She was

like "Yeah kid.

I'm not doing this. I free the eater.

>> I'm no longer sharing."

>> Oh man,

>> you can't be the stud eater.

>> She stood up on that [ __ ]

Put her leg up and [ __ ]

>> Oh man.

Would y'all do it again? Would y'all do

it again? No.

>> Mark.

>> Well, if you weren't,

>> I know what you mean.

>> No, I know what you mean. But no.

>> Yeah. No. Even if we were single, we

would do.

>> Yeah, I would. I was tell you [ __ ]

>> You wouldn't do it cuz that particular

girl was a fire.

>> I'm not talking about her.

>> Home girls that was just

>> just a fire stud.

>> They do be fire. I

>> I see if if they open to it. If I was

single and open to it, it' be different.

Yeah. Yeah. Probably. Probably.

>> You wouldn't, Joe?

I mean, I can't say that I would. I'm

not attracted to that aesthetic.

>> No, but remember, I seen her before she

was that. So, I had the memory of the

the pre

>> She ain't that no more.

>> Oh, she was that when she when I saw

that night,

>> that's the thing. If I got to wait till

you get naked to be attracted to you, um

>> I I But I'm not I'm not knocking.

>> How about you, is not my thing.

>> Like, I can't

>> Me and is [ __ ] bad [ __ ] our whole

life, [ __ ] Like, is you want tell us?

You want to tell them? You want to sip

your little tea and be cute in your

little quarter zip? Listen, me and put

up and put numbers on the board our

entire lives. We didn't go through like

dull spells like anybody else.

>> Every

me and ish anything we wanted to hit

different and if you got it like that my

man I just let you like that. Right.

>> I let him cook.

>> Why would it be a stud? You know what I

mean?

>> So if y'all hit bab life y'all never

y'all never hit nothing ugly ever.

>> I definitely hit something ugly. I

definitely did something ugly, but I

don't tell people about it.

>> Ugly with

>> All right. I was about to say, please

say no. She was ugly. She was ugly with

that heat.

>> Up for it, right?

>> She was ugly with that heat.

>> One in particular. I was like, this

[ __ ] Joe is tripping.

>> I ain't hold up now. It ain't a whole

bunch of them.

>> I ain't saying a bunch. I'm just talking

about that. That one.

>> What was What was up with that one?

>> It was just It It was very different

than what I was used to seeing him

around. Oh, but he be putting imaginary

people on my body. You talking about

that bodyguard, [ __ ] I DID NOT. YES,

YOU DID.

>> NO, I DID NOT. I did not.

>> You ain't got to do this. Yo,

>> I did not. You [ __ ] bodyguard.

>> You [ __ ] female Kevin Cosce.

I did not [ __ ] that bodyguard.

>> This [ __ ] be lying, bro.

>> I promise you I asked me TO TAKE A

FRIEND OUT SO he could, you know what I

mean, with the chick

>> and I still didn't [ __ ] a bodyguard.

She have like the boots and the whole

black uniform. I can assure you

some bell on my kids.

>> Them bodyguards be having fat asses

under them uniforms.

>> Right back to the right.

>> Them asses be fat. So you bodyguard.

>> I seen her knock [ __ ] out.

>> Security guard. Police.

>> I was afraid.

>> Police be having fat asses under them

police.

>> You have to step from a stud.

>> No. Wait. You are crazy. They look like

women.

>> Women, [ __ ]

>> with the fat ass bugging out. [ __ ] a

police officer with a fat ass is about.

All right. No way.

>> You can't even make it make sense with

your PS. That's not

>> I'M SAYING THEY BE

>> THEY DON'T HAVE TO BE A BODYGUARD.

>> [ __ ]

we talking about two different things.

We talking about two different things.

>> I SAID ALL OF THAT IS IN the territory.

>> No. Chick I'm talking about was 64

290.

>> That's the one you and I knock YOU OUT.

>> THAT'S THE ONE YOU [ __ ] NO, not at all.

You climb up on my kids. Don't play with

me. Don't ruin MY LIFE.

>> I LOVE WHEN [ __ ] LIE ON THEIR KIDS.

>> WELL, I was going to say on God, but

that don't work here.

>> It work for you when we say that [ __ ]

>> Oh, man. That's crazy.

>> 6'4.

>> Yeah, I was.

>> That's being generous.

>> Wow. No.

>> Were you intimidated?

>> A little.

>> A little. She took it. She took it for

sure.

pinned his ass down.

>> Fed him and [ __ ] him.

>> Yes, she did.

>> Oh, man. Fristo,

>> I'm sorry that happened to you.

>> Yeah, but nothing happened to me. It's

cool, bro. You You can admit it. It's

all right. But it didn't sound like it

wasn't your fault.

>> It's okay.

>> Well, no, I was an adult. I was a child

when the babysitter took advantage. Oh

my god. And that's not okay.

>> That's wrong person. First of all,

>> none of it is okay. The bodyguard taking

it ain't okay. No, no, no. I'm saying I

I know you and the bodyguard were

consensual. I confirm that.

>> I'm glad for you, man.

>> Yo, that is hilarious, man.

>> [ __ ] the bodyguard.

>> Was it his bodyguard? Like, was it

>> damn That's just weird. The funny [ __ ]

if you ask her, she ain't even going to

lie and say that that happened.

>> She wouldn't even lie on it.

>> That one night they slammed the [ __ ]

down and took it.

>> I ain't talked to her.

>> Y'all both better stop playing with that

[ __ ] when she find.

>> Yeah, I know who she is.

>> She know exactly what

>> ain't that many 6'4" too.

>> She just rolled the window up and turned

the radio up. Is these [ __ ] talking

about me? [ __ ] must have forgot her.

the money [ __ ] The the the the black

Twitter streets know who the [ __ ] we

talking about. She got a long-term

relationship after and put that [ __ ]

Why you now you doing the most?

>> She put that [ __ ]

for years. YOU [ __ ] BOOM, [ __ ] What

you say?

>> They still going.

>> They still not I'm talking about I'm

talking about

>> Yeah, they they tumble.

>> Yeah.

>> To this day.

>> Love.

>> See? All right. Love

>> now. They Yo, you wild.

Play something, please.

>> Here we go. I mean, let's get some fairy

tales going for the lies being told up

here.

>> It's a lot of lies being told.

>> I thought you were going to play Paul

Simon or came to the compound, but I

ain't hit though.

>> Shout out to all the police women out

there for sure.

>> All the crazy women, all the stalkers,

all the beautiful studs. Indeed,

>> if I [ __ ] a stud, they going to have to

have some waves. You know what I mean?

They have to have some waves.

>> Smell like Murray.

>> That That's weird, bro.

Hey yo, you look look look that is

funny. Think about this. I remember I

was [ __ ] with the chick with the real

real short haircut. That [ __ ] was

awkward.

>> That [ __ ] is awkward. Cory, I'm lying.

That [ __ ] is awkward. Not the Put your

hand. Not the Halib Berry cut. I'm

talking about short. Not no Tony

Braxton.

>> That [ __ ] tripping.

>> We had this conversation yesterday. Me

and him.

>> You awkward.

>> I said the same thing.

>> Oh, let the man.

>> How about saying

he just want some more ammo? I'm on your

side of it. Oh yeah, you crazy.

Especially in the in the in the 2000s.

>> Yeah. I want to I want TO HEAR THE OLD

SOUL TIME GIRLS HAD THE LITTLE JOHN A

JOINT. You know what I mean? Like the

the shortcuts they had the little

>> What's awkward about it?

>> You grab him by the

>> nothing. THAT'S THE [ __ ] That's the

part.

>> That's the part they missing.

>> No, you just got You might not be It's

cool.

>> Yeah, right.

>> I wish I had some excuse.

>> That [ __ ] is weird, my [ __ ] I ain't

going

>> But but you can't Why

>> they got a low ass haircut and you you

know what I mean? You get wiped down.

You

>> [ __ ]

like you know [ __ ] getting the good

head you start being a hairdresser

you

>> word yeah different is looking at the

body from the back when the shorty give

>> you know you do you know when a chick

with a low haircut give you good head

there's other things that can happen

besides you being a hairdresser

>> no I'm making a joke

>> you can touch their body there's also

less interference

I'm sure they'll be on me touch

>> the chick got that go here and you get

to feel a scalp. That's a different type

of intimacy. First of all, when you get

to rub on their [ __ ] scalp and it's

like, "Oh, God, that is beautiful."

Shout out to all my short queens out

there. I absolutely love y'all. I love

that short.

You You pitched it to him wrong. Like

you said, Neo soul.

>> I was doing that time

like Ivory Soul or some [ __ ]

>> Oh, right. I got you.

>> There you go. Get

>> Yeah. Bold white [ __ ] and change his

world

kind of

>> exactly. I'm good.

>> Demi Moore [ __ ] a

>> yo when y'all [ __ ] the studs.

>> When when y'all [ __ ] the studs if y'all

went out like the damn pay

hold the door.

>> Pull the chair off.

>> Put your jacket on for you.

>> Oh wait. Yo girl, ever smack your ass?

>> Yeah. Like afterwards? No. After after

the act like

Got it. Got it. Got it. All right. This

is a family show.

>> Yeah.

>> Big time.

Let me keep this applause going for the

best show on turf.

that

was that

was that

>> all right 884.

>> That's right.

>> Welcome to episode 884 of the JBP

brought to you by fueled by power by

prize pitch prize pitch gang. I'm your

humble, gracious, grateful, super happy

to be here. Host Joe Button here with

some really amazing people to my right.

You already know the vibes, huh? In

Tacoma, Washington, they going to know

the vibes this weekend. Big show this

weekend out there. Make some noise.

Don't call me white girl. Big Deona in

the building.

>> Next to her, we have our good brother uh

our good I can't talk today. Our good

brother Dr. Mark Lamont Hill is in the

building. Next to him we have [ __ ]

king Wa Mr. Thousand Doors and up.

That's that is in the quarters in

Damn

>> already.

>> Is this any of this [ __ ] out yet in the

streets?

>> Yo, this week testing [ __ ]

>> Got it. Got it.

>> They got the quarter zip on them

already. Killing them

>> this week. Got the Y ready.

>> That [ __ ] turn [ __ ] around fast.

>> Not even think about that.

>> Fast and Fashion Nova boy. If he

thinking that [ __ ] is out being mailed

to you in 24 hours or less, stupid.

>> Yeah.

Hey, wait a minute now. Hey.

All right. Come on. That's too much fun.

Uh, next to him, we got the freeziest of

them all. Mr. Take Further. Ice is in

the building. Next to him, Big Park

finest is in the building. We got Po in

the building. Cory is here. Erikson is

here. Tanner and Sabon are here by

remote. Last but certainly not least,

each and every one of you guys are here.

How's everybody doing? What's popping

though? What's popping though? What's

up man?

>> Feel great, man. Busy week, but feel

great.

>> Busy week.

>> Good. Good. Glad everybody is feeling

great.

>> Can I say [ __ ] y'all just real fast?

Because

>> who who's y'all?

>> Everybody.

>> Oh, all of us.

>> Except Oh, yeah. MULTITUDE. LAST WEEK I

PASSED OUT ON SET.

>> YEAH.

>> YEAH.

>> Nobody checked them

>> and [ __ ] woke you up. You've been doing

it for a year.

>> No, no, I didn't fall asleep. I actually

passed out.

>> You didn't pass out.

>> What did I do?

>> You fell and I thought you hit your head

on the thing.

>> So, you were sitting there like this.

>> Yeah. I was caught being knocked out

>> looking like CD Lamb and I was like,

"Yo." Me and Mona looked at each other

like, "Yo, is this [ __ ] going?

>> I wasn't sure if you if it was for the

TV."

>> Yeah. No, I was out.

>> Yeah.

>> And I'm about to hit you. But

>> And then when you woke up, you like,

"No, no, no. I'm good. I'm good. I'm got

finished working cuz I'm professionals."

But a little you how'd you pass out?

>> I I really don't know. I don't know. I

was a little sick last week. That was

too good of a you building a case. What

the [ __ ] is

someone here take advantage?

>> Yo, what's wrong with you, dogs?

>> It's a little Are you all right? Mon

asked me today like, "Hey, you all

right? You was knocked out last week.

>> It's been seven days."

>> Well, we we know you was all right. We

saw you posted.

>> Well, are you all right?

>> I think so. I haven't passed out since.

>> Good. There you go.

>> Good.

>> Is that your first time passing out?

>> Yeah.

>> Wow. Oh, wow. Yeah, it was weird.

>> Yeah.

>> Well, we're glad you're all right.

>> Yes.

>> Some doctor eaters, huh?

>> Um, anywhere y'all want to go, I'm down

to go. Pause.

>> Um, we we got we got we got big news in

the entertainment.

>> This is absolutely crazy.

>> Yeah, this is absolutely crazy.

>> This news is absolutely nuts.

>> Um, it was announced that Netflix is

acquiring Warner Brothers.

>> Acquired. Did it

>> acquire? Yeah. Not even acquired.

billion right?

>> Yeah. 87 or $82 billion.

>> Insanity.

>> It's It's crazy to me to think about how

this could even happen. I remember when

Netflix was just, you know, they mailed

you a CD or DVD [ __ ]

>> You know what I'm saying? And then they

fighting Blockbuster. Now they are the

behemoth on the landscape. That's crazy

to me to see just how far they've come.

>> Speaks to some of these CEOs and their

vision.

>> Dead ass. Like nobody could have ever

thought that this was going to turn into

that.

>> Yeah.

>> You know what I mean? Like that's crazy.

I I looked at this as a pivot move or or

a response move because I remember um we

all remember a couple years ago Netflix

had that movie Bright with Will Smith.

>> Yeah. It failed.

>> But at the time it was like if this

works because you got A-listister Will

Smith and this movie was straight to

Netflix. If this works, this could

literally change the game. And you saw a

lot of um all I mean the movie wasn't

the greatest, but it did look like it

was a lot of oomph put on it. So that

this did not work. So with that not

working, all right, the our next option

is now we going to we going to come over

here and we going to buy up a studio.

>> Yeah.

>> We going to get in this way.

>> And not a studio.

>> Yeah. No, the studio them.

>> Yeah.

>> So now cuz now they got

>> I mean that that's that's HBO. It's HBO

Max

>> like that.

>> So now you got the whole eyes Entourage,

Sex in the City, The Wire. You got all

of those cataloges for [ __ ] to just

stream. [ __ ] that never heard about

it, they could go I mean [ __ ] that

heard about it, never saw it, it's right

there and way more movies. Not just

>> the game is subscriber base. So

>> now you phase out the HBO Max app.

>> You could my about to be two apps,

>> right? Well, that we going to get there,

too, cuz that's that's that's part of

the problem for me. But, and I know a

lot of stuff is going to get uh

developed in Q3. So, even though they

made the acquisition, it was happening,

>> you'll see it in like in the third

quarter 2026, you'll see a lot of this

stuff. One of the things they said was

they're going to keep Warner Brothers,

the the the brand because it's and I

think that's smart. You know, some

people the ego, you just want to take

over everything and have your name on

everything, but Warner Brothers is a

brand name. It's an American tradition.

So, you're still going to see Warner

Brothers in the movie theater. I think

that's brilliant. You know what I mean?

Same HBO. Hold on to those those titles

for sure which is always

>> what happens is you'll see Warner

Brothers and then underneath it'll say a

Netflix company.

>> Yeah, that's okay. As long as you still

Yeah,

>> but I need to see that Warner Brothers.

>> I was watching certain shows and I'm

used to seeing like u you know whatever

the logo is and then underneath it'll

say such and such. Now it's changing

Sundance these like cuz they're buying

up these these um these networks.

>> They buy these studios.

>> I ain't mad, bro.

>> Do you think this is going to change the

like the kind of programming they do?

>> Original programming?

>> Yeah. like will you see like a prequels

for things and you know like Netflix

like producing a lot of content like

right now in the same way like after HBO

we had HBO Max and you started to see

different kinds of content coming HBO

label. I'm just wondering will it take

shape the kind of shows we going to see?

>> I think you acquire HBO for their back

catalog cuz the HBO not necessarily

doing what Netflix does. You know what

I'm saying? So now I'm going just go get

all the HBO [ __ ] now put that up under

my umbrella but we can still keep doing

what we've already been the greatest and

master at. You know what I'm saying? I

think that's dope. I think it would they

would have to like back catalog is

awesome but if Netflix is has done built

built their own studio they getting into

original [ __ ]

>> I could see a world where they take a

story that they didn't have access to

and now prequel it like you said or or

make it go further like you said

>> that's what I'm expecting it

>> at that number I'm I'm thinking more

than back they have to have a plan

>> but even that right their plan has been

right in front of us right they're doing

this which is incredible This is

>> what they announced with their that

they're doing with those video podcasts.

>> Yeah.

>> Their football games.

>> Netflix went live just that Netflix

going live and they tested it out with,

you know, little comedy special here,

boxing match here. But

>> Oh, yeah. They got Netflix sports.

>> You get what I'm saying? Like like they

are. This is a full-on takeover

>> for sure.

>> We covering every We got sports, we got

this. I mean, what's next? News.

>> It's big dogs on the block now.

>> Yeah. Yeah.

>> No. No. This is our block now.

>> Yeah. And it's a long block.

>> We not even We're not even battling you

on this block. We bought the block. We

bought the Battlefield. I can't be mad.

>> It's exciting. I do I do like the HBO

app.

>> I do. I hope they leave it there.

>> Consolidated way. Yeah. Consolidated

app. It's just to me cuz when I said I'm

thinking about what what uh Hulu did, I

mean what Disney did with the Hulu and

all that. They they integrated

everything into the Disney app.

>> I could see HBO doing the same thing. I

think that's

>> I mean, excuse me. Netflix doing the

same thing. And

>> if they do that, what old show becomes

number one right away? The Wire.

>> Uh, Game of Thrones.

>> I can't hear any of you.

>> Game of Thrones, Sopranos, Squire. Yeah.

>> Probably in that order,

>> bro. You got 10 like HBO had a run of

like a good 12 shows that just was True

Blood,

>> [ __ ] uh Soprano, Sex in the City,

Entourage. They just had the wire eyes.

They just went crazy for a good

>> 15 years, two decades. So you got now

all of that stuff to people that's 28,

29 years old that wasn't around. You

like, "Yo, I'm watching Oz."

>> Yeah.

>> This deal was the first time I thought

about how much money Netflix has.

>> 80 billion.

>> Because when I went to bed, all of the

reports said Netflix is thinking about

acquiring. And when I woke up,

>> it said Netflix has acquired. Yeah,

>> that's literally

>> Netflix has it now, you guys. That's

what it said.

>> Now, not everybody's happy. I know you

said you can't get mad at that. Um, but

a lot of people are getting mad at that.

>> Who's mad at that?

>> Uh, some politicians, Elizabeth Warren,

for example,

>> Mark, don't politician me to death.

Anybody else, man?

>> Some content creators.

>> Well, what's the argument?

>> It's the it's an antitrust argument,

right? at um and it'll it'll be

ultimately up to the the feds to find

out whether it's true or not, but uh the

idea that they have that market

dominance, right, that they basically

have a monopoly over the entire

streaming industry, which is not what

you're not supposed to have, reduced um

um reducing competition. Uh and then

also having too much control. So, the

idea is that they can dictate terms to

directors in Hollywood or or content

creators now because they got you got no

place else to go. And so, it's hard to

get a fair deal. That's the argument.

content creators are worried about and

from the political side which I do think

matters um the question is does this

stop um are they too powerful are they

too big that's the thing that people are

worried about now Netflix has said in

their defense this is going to create

more opportunities for creatives this is

going to create more opportunities and

more avenues through the various things

they're acquiring it's up to the world

to decide but but people are not happy

about some people are not happy about it

>> I mean there was a I'm reading here from

from Variety um it says a group of major

industry players has sent an urgent open

letter to Congress warning of an

economic and institutional meltdown in

Hollywood right

>> if Netflix succeeds in acquiring Warner

Brothers/Discovery.

>> And that's what I heard when you were

talking about the content creators and

politicians. Hollywood.

>> Yeah, that's what I'm thinking.

Hollywood guard.

>> Yeah, but what does this mean for the

movie theaters? Like, like this this

could be a this could be way more than

just streaming. Like now if we got

Warner Brothers,

the act their studios, we have

everything. We can literally create new

films and bring them straight to

Netflix. We don't have to put them in

there.

>> But yo, have we aren't we already there?

>> No.

>> I mean, the the transition is slow, but

it the writing's on the wall, bro. A

movie comes out and in a month that [ __ ]

is on pay-per-view and being able to be

streamed. I don't

>> That's a month if it's doing bad in

theaters.

>> The average it used to be

>> That's not true. It used to be 6 months.

The average right now is a 3 months. if

it's doing okay, if it's doing bad in

theaters, if if they had a horrible

first week, if if the you know, if

they're taking a L on it, they'll pull

it from theaters and then they'll shoot

it straight to streaming.

>> Oh,

>> but on average, it's about 3 months now.

>> Wow. And that's I mean that's still

short.

>> I don't like it.

>> When we were growing up,

>> it was a while.

>> Some [ __ ] came out January. It might hit

the VHS or DVD like by the summer, maybe

late spring.

>> That's different though. You had to

actually physically make all this [ __ ]

and distribute it, right? Bro, Sinners

did well.

>> Yeah,

>> Sinners came out April 18th.

>> It was able to be streamed in July,

first week of July.

>> That's fast. Sinners was And Sinners was

a hit.

>> Yeah. I don't like it. It makes to me it

makes it takes the the thing out of the

movies. Like you don't have that thing

of really wanting to go see it in the

theater. And I always enjoy going to the

movie theater. If you didn't the movie

theater wasn't your thing, you know what

I mean? If you've been going to the

movie theater as a kid, your first date

at the movie theater, you got a hand job

movie theater, it's a thing for you. I

mean movie theaters sticking around and

everyone thinks it's the end of the

world. I don't think I think my movie

theater that I go to which is not a I

picker one of the fancy ones. They just

renovated the whole [ __ ] So clearly

there's still some money coming in.

>> It has to be.

>> But I think I think I look at what

you're saying about movie theater we

live in right now in the a lot of people

are in the I want it right this second

thing.

>> So

>> the same way malls took a hit because

now you could go on Amazon and order

everything and it comes next day or same

day. [ __ ] want to be able to hear this

is available and I could just go home

and push a button and watch it. It's

that convenience. But I'm just saying

the level of convenience and people

wanting everything immediately, right?

There's a lot of people that would, you

know, it's certain movies where it's

like I don't want to go to the movies to

see it. And if I knew it dropped today

and I could go home and just hit a

button and watch it,

>> I I personally I would take that.

>> To be clear, that's not Netflix's fault.

That's just to be clear. That's just the

way the tech is moving. all of that

progression, all of that the world's

changing cuz I'm pro world changing. But

I just feel like the direction we go to

is just less human contact. And I just I

don't think it's a good thing. And we do

not see you in your house on a [ __ ]

watching a movie versus you go have a

little conversation with the popcorn

girl, you say hi to the movie guys. Like

we just we're never going to see each

other.

>> And the other side of that

>> popcorn girl popcorn girl was a [ __ ]

>> She was you at my popcorn [ __ ]

>> Don't ask for extra butter now.

>> My popcorn girl was the best. On the

other side to that, how much it cost to

go to movies?

>> Yeah. Million expense today.

>> You going to spend 100 bucks if you go

with some whereas I could pay y'all

this. What is it? I think Netflix right

now if you got the the top package it's

$24.99 a month or something.

>> Don't say that again.

>> Yeah, that was crazy.

>> Top package if you have their best.

>> I mean, I I get it. I get it. For a lot

of people that makes more sense, I could

go home and watch the movie with my

family for even if they selling the

stream independently for $20, I could go

home with my family of five for $20.

>> I'll be breaking that Netflix up to like

five other people.

>> Can't do that no more.

>> They shut that [ __ ] down.

>> That [ __ ] is a dub.

>> Yeah. And then I love that they shut it

down for that like at all. Can't do it.

>> The message comes on the screen like,

"Nigga, you know it's five of y'all

using this."

>> Nah, that [ __ ] pop up. Yo, this is not

the house

>> where this account is registered. either

put a code in or sign up for your own

[ __ ]

>> You make so much money. I don't know

what y I don't know what y'all talking

about.

>> That is a bonafide fact that Netflix

shut that [ __ ] down. They definitely

did.

>> You cannot share your password and

everybody watch it. You would have to

get on a schedule and everybody to pick

times to watch it. But when you clicking

at the same time, they know and they

shut it down.

>> And now what they do, they give you two

weeks. So they'll send you a code.

>> You got it for two weeks. In two weeks

from now, we going to lock this [ __ ] out

again.

>> We make too much money to be doing this.

>> Well, I I I signed up. I was watching a

puff dock. They sent the [ __ ] on the top

of the screen.

>> My peoples hit their peoples the email

dude.

>> Wait, you don't got your own Netflix?

You use somebody's

>> I mean my girl uses

>> I thought you were the the the owner and

you distributed to your mans and them.

>> No.

>> No. He's the password borrower.

>> You don't have Netflix?

>> No, I don't [ __ ] in my house.

>> I'm really surprised.

>> My girl deals with y'all surprised.

>> It don't deal like that's not my [ __ ]

Yeah, that's I don't care about that.

What do you do for fun is

>> what you mean? On the phone [ __ ]

>> So much fun monopoly they have.

>> Yo, no, I don't care about I don't care

about like techy stuff and all that.

Like the apps and all that. If I got a

question, I'll call

>> cuz I know you don't do social media

like that.

>> It's not really my back.

>> Yeah.

>> So, you don't do social media like that?

You don't have Netflix? Not really. Oh,

you have it, but you're not really into

the TV shows.

>> You got a phone.

>> Do you read the paper?

>> I read books. I don't read the paper.

Talk to

>> book reader. Mona's having a hard time

figuring out what you really enjoy.

>> What could it be?

>> Damn, man. What is it?

>> There's a missing element that is

element.

>> I can't. We can't quite put our finger

on.

>> I don't get the joke.

>> He can't.

>> Hey, Mona.

>> Want to explain it?

>> Hey, Mona. I got you, girl. Hey, look at

me. Look at me. The [ __ ]

>> I WAS THINKING THAT. I was thinking

that.

>> Hey, the Mona. It's the [ __ ]

>> He like talking about

This [ __ ] idiot is a [ __ ]

>> Is a born potter. You said that last

week. He is born for podcast

>> and [ __ ]

>> He born for podcast.

>> Yo, what is wrong with this guy? Yo.

>> Oh man. Y'all should stop sharing

passwords though. And I'm not mad at

Netflix cracking down. If you trying to

buy some [ __ ] that cost 84 billion, I'm

coming

from every one of y'all.$

13.99.

All of my subscribers. Oh, just wait.

They going to get it back.

>> Oh, yeah.

>> Oh, yeah.

>> I already thought about that [ __ ] Yeah.

>> Yeah. It made sense going up. You said

you watched the puff dot, right?

>> Yes, I did.

>> Did everyone here watch the puff do?

>> All four episodes.

>> All right. You five, take it away.

>> I didn't really get that much more

information from this. I think it was

really well done. I didn't get a lot

more information than we've gotten in

the doc that we got a couple years ago

and through all the press coverage of

the last year. Personally,

>> it was just better done like you said.

>> Yeah, this was really well done. And

they painted the picture they were

trying to paint.

>> Yeah.

>> Oh, for sure. For me.

>> Oh, for sure.

>> They tried they were trying to paint or

the picture that it is. Cuz you say

trying to paint, it's like they got a

narrative and they or is that just what

it is?

>> Well, they I think whatever their

intention was with this doc, they nailed

it.

>> They did it.

>> Yeah.

>> That's what I'm saying. I I I think when

you tell a story about anybody, you

could tell multiple stories. There

there's another story about Puff you

could tell uh that would leave you feel

indifferent about him that would also be

true.

>> Okay. I agree. I get it.

>> But this one felt true, you know, and

this one needed to be told given

everything that's going on. I'm not

defending it. I'm just saying like I do

think there's multiple stories and they

had a particular story they wanted to

tell which I thought was good. And for

me, I agree with y'all. Like it wasn't

so much that it was new information. And

I think you said this the other day,

Joe. It wasn't that it was new

information, but the storytelling was so

good.

>> Yeah. And a lot of these docs,

especially ones that come out fast,

>> this is not good storytelling. Yeah.

>> Yeah. I was I don't

>> And again, remember y'all My bad. y'all

speaking for y'all demo. Like my parents

called me.

>> Mhm.

>> Fair. Yeah. And was like, "Yo, I had no

idea about a lot of the stuff that they

mentioned in this."

>> I It was [ __ ] that that was new to me.

But I looked at this. Excuse me,

>> [ __ ] This [ __ ] was higher than

Stranger Things.

>> Yeah.

>> Oh, no. They made some

>> Well, cuz the Stranger Things [ __ ] is

is 39.

>> I know that, but but that's beside the

point.

>> I don't know how y'all still getting

this. Later, we'll talk about the

Stranger Things. But my point though

with that just recently

>> and they grew up weird now.

>> They did. Yo,

>> they grew up weird and nobody wants

that.

>> So they trying to put these [ __ ] on a

promo run. They look like Stranger

Things.

>> You can't really go ahead. Season was

pretty good though.

>> But yeah, but the fact is, you know, a

lot of people were waiting for Stranger

Things and this was higher than that. So

this tells me there's going to be a lot

of eyes getting a lot of new

information. Some of us, yeah, we might

know certain things. I gained new

information like and they painted this

[ __ ] as

>> that was his MO.

>> Yes.

>> Yo,

>> right.

>> Oh, okay. That's your girl. I want her.

>> Whoa.

>> And I'm going to whatever. I'm taking

like that Eric Servin stuff.

>> I never

know. I didn't know when you said my man

was like on the window. I was like this

[ __ ] crazy.

>> Yeah, he a little

>> I didn't know that. I didn't know um

that he got bad like he cuz the the

neighbor the one that cuz they live in a

duplex and she's renting out they

renting out the downstairs to the other

family. He alluded to that he went

through like rough beatings as

>> right but he like he was like it was

like oh like he don't want to remember

it like it was so traumatic or whatever.

Um, I love that part. Him and his mom

was so close and his mom was like so

like in love with him. Like whenever you

would see him, I just didn't I didn't um

know that. And I like the fact that they

really went into to me. I I took it like

Janice was still street connected after

the dad died. You know what I mean?

Before it's real smooth,

>> right? Cuz before it's like, okay, they

from Harlem, he this big drug dealer, he

gets murdered. They in Mount Vern and

they excluded from it. He going to

private school. But no, she's driving

into Harlem and she her and she can

leave her car. She really was outside

for real. So

>> that that's the brilliance of it to me

when you tell a story like that where

you leave the audience understanding it

without having to be heavy-handed with

it like some of these other docs. Like

my man was like, "Yeah, she just leave

the car there, leave it running, and

nobody mess with it." Like just saying

it like that, we got it without Yeah.

Like to me that's that's that's what

made the storytelling. So

>> it must have been pretty wild for Puff

to have found out his mom was working in

the after hours spot on a show.

>> I don't THINK HE I THINK I don't think I

didn't think that was real. I thought

that that he just reacted that way. I

>> You ain't got to tell the world.

>> Yeah. Hey, I think he knew his mind was

going on. That's just some cutie [ __ ]

for TV. That's how I took it per that

was some cutie TV [ __ ] because like they

in tune and they tight. You know what I

mean? Like I don't know. That one part

that was a little confusing what but it

might have been because you know we in

this we in the industry [ __ ] So, you

know, you say what you supposed to say

or what the publicist tell you to say.

But at one part, he's doing some kind of

interview that I've never seen before.

And it's like from the late '9s or the

early 2000s. And um he says something

about um that he he that his mom was

that's it's the same it's the same scene

from when he was talking about that he

had to fight like he had to whoop ass or

he would get in trouble. That interview

I had never seen that before ever. And I

was like a puffy fan. Like I've seen

every little when they show clips of his

interviews and [ __ ] I've already seen

it. You know what I mean? I had never

seen it before. I want them to drop that

cuz the way he was talking about

candidly, it seemed like he was being

real honest in that interview. You know

what I'm talking about?

>> Yeah, I know exactly what you're talking

about.

>> And it was at the bottom it says

something. It was a title. So almost

like that was a documentary that never

came out.

>> Yeah, that part I I don't know the

source of it. But I I agree and all the

childhood stuff having people tell

stories from his childhood.

>> It it gave you a sense of his mindset.

They were building a case about his

mindset

>> for sure

>> that I thought was helpful. I I when Joe

came in and talked about it, I thought

it was gonna be worse than what it was

for me. To Parks' point, I had heard 97%

of that [ __ ] already. A couple things

were

>> new, like I never heard the [ __ ] say,

"Yo, he really gave us a million. He

hired us for a million dollars." I never

heard that before,

>> right? Um that was new for me. But I

think the part about him getting his ass

whooped by his mom and I think the whole

episode 4

>> I think they shot him some bail. They

they they were pretty they tried to be

fair. I think episode 4 really shot him

a whole bunch of bell. Like

>> where was the bail?

>> Uh the drawers, they didn't have to do

that in that dock.

>> Yeah, true.

>> They didn't have to talk to the drawers

cuz the jurors were like, "Nah, we

thought she was lying and we love Yeah.

They didn't have to display that in the

dock." Um, I think uh the dude Rod,

>> Lil Rod,

>> nobody took him seriously.

>> No.

>> Um,

>> which is a shame.

>> I think that I think that um

>> not saying that as somebody that didn't

take him seriously.

>> And then

>> I have a question for all of y'all

about.

>> We reported on that. We was we were

>> I didn't take him serious at all.

>> And then hearing that I was like,

>> you got to change his name.

>> Damn. Sorry.

>> When he came when when I always thought

that Rod was the one that got it jumping

because Rod wanted his money or

whatever, he said, you know, give me my

[ __ ] money or else. And then he went

and told is that really true that Rod's

the one that got the [ __ ] got

the dock.

>> Rod happened in January. Cassie happened

like 3 months earlier.

>> Oh, okay. Okay.

>> And then everybody looked at Rod like,

"Oh, you saw what happened while

there was like a hundred more."

>> Yeah.

>> I definitely think they was [ __ ]

though. Puffy and Rod for sure. I think

he hit that.

>> I I I don't know. I can't speak personal

opinion. What I took from it is that

Puffy is a shitty businessman on the

side of paying people.

>> Yeah.

>> And I think a bunch of these people have

been working with him for a long time.

>> Go ahead. No. Go.

>> No. And I just think a lot of them

[ __ ] I think a lot of them [ __ ] was

mad. I think bitter. You could hear the

anger in some of their voices as they

talk about what he did to them in

business. You know what I'm saying? And

so I think that

>> it was almost like all right this my

time to get back.

>> Yeah. The Rod story did come off like a

love story.

>> It did. They was They were I'm not I'm

not taking nothing away from him. His

his claims I wish him the best, but it

just gave they go together a little bit.

>> They went together.

>> The [ __ ] that really got me was when he

was talking about big funeral. I never

heard that before.

>> Yeah.

>> Some people have come out to say that

was somebody say it wasn't it wasn't

true. But I mean like just just seeing

it in that moment,

>> seeing the way he was presenting himself

and then hearing the other things beh

who who really are you?

>> What part of that disturbed you the

most? The money part of it

>> the whole [ __ ] like just seeing

>> big play for his own funeral. I think

>> that's what I'm saying. The money part

that part

>> that would be [ __ ] up. Yes, that would

be very [ __ ] up.

>> Yes. If I if I went on record saying

that I'm going to pay for this,

>> I'm going to have this.

>> And then when I see the expenses start

piling up cuz I'm trying to do this [ __ ]

big, no pun intended, and now it's too

much. And I'm like, I ain't paying for

that.

>> You're not saying it's [ __ ] up to not

pay for it. You say it's [ __ ] up to

say you're going to do it and not do it.

>> No, it's [ __ ] up to say we going to do

this bigger than anybody's ever seen.

>> We going New York stroll big through

Manhattan, Brooklyn, whatever. And then

when you start seeing the expenses pile

up, you say, "Yo, I want nothing to do

with that [ __ ] He got to pay for it."

No, I'm with you. I'm with you. But I'm

saying if that hadn't I'm just curious a

curiosity I had when I was watching it.

>> If he hadn't said all that and they just

did a normal funeral and he had and he

paid for that a big estate instead of

his own pocket. Would that be [ __ ] up

for me? Yes.

>> Especially when I feel like Buffy, but

one thing bad businessman or not, the

[ __ ] got a vision. He knew what he was

about to do after that [ __ ] died as far

as all the songs missing you the big he

knew he was going to go hard on the

death part. That was that was a known he

knew and I feel like Puffy wanted that

rap thing and I think with Vicky going

he knew he could rap a little more like

you know I could be the rapper so I was

like yeah so if you know that the least

you could do is pay for the [ __ ]

funeral and look out for the kids like

what the [ __ ] is this your man or not?

Is that your friend or not?

>> Like did some is it confirmed that that

wasn't true?

>> Hard to say at this point it sounds like

a

>> cuz if it's not true I think that's

horrible bro spoke out um he said he was

speaking on behalf of Vio Violet

Wallace. Yeah. And everything and said

that is 100% not true.

>> That Biggie paid for his own funeral.

>> Yes. That that did not happen. Now, a

lot of people you could go further down

that rabbit hole if you want

>> and say, "Yes, you could.

>> Is it possible somebody said, "Yo, my

man, I need you to say this and clear

this up." We don't know.

>> Exactly.

>> Yeah. And there's been other allegations

of

>> stories changing from that side after

some

>> other agreements were made. I don't know

what's true. Yeah, but [ __ ] if it's true

or not. If if any two things in this

fourpart thing is true,

>> he's a monster.

>> Wow.

>> I think Pump is a monster regardless. By

the way,

>> he nothing comes across as he's a good

dude.

>> Some of that footage there with him and

his son saying, "Yo, we need to call

such and such and have her do this."

Like, it's some of that [ __ ] was hard to

watch bro.

>> The Orio Day [ __ ] was riveting.

>> Yeah.

>> Or Day. Am I saying that name right?

Oreo Day episode 4 having to listen to

somebody tell her for certain what was

happening with her cuz she was passed

out and blacked out and don't remember

any of it.

>> As someone who also doesn't drink, she

said,

>> "Yeah." No,

>> that's crazy.

>> You know what was [ __ ] shocking to

me? Because growing up as a Puffy fan

and, you know, being a person, you know,

separating artist from the person, I

just wanted to assume that that happened

to him from the money and it happens

from Hollywood. Nah, he was just [ __ ]

Like, you know what I mean? From the

gate. That's

>> I think it's the combo.

>> That's why

>> like it got worse.

>> That's what I thought made the

storytelling so good. It's like, okay,

he's born into this really unusually

unusual situation. In some ways,

privilege, in some ways, really [ __ ]

up, a lot of trauma,

>> and then you add on to that this whole

world that almost no one in the history

of the world has ever experienced.

That's a hell of a combo cuz even the

guy said there was that moment where he

felt the switch off of who Puffy became,

>> and he was like, "Oh, that was the last

time I saw the Puffy I grew up with.

Suddenly, he looked." So, I I think it's

both. I think it's like trauma mixed

with power that just turned you into

somebody else.

>> They did a really good job cuz even when

they started showing like video music

box, they showed the nerdy kid dancing

on the steps that was just thirsty as

hell trying to get into the industry by

any means. And then they showed this

transition of him now being a party

promoter, being the hottest party

promoter, and then transition into Andre

Herell's assistant. And then like I

think they just did a really good job of

telling the story of who he was and who

he became. But [ __ ] we was outside.

Like, bro, it's hard to find somebody

that was as popular as Puff in the late

90s, early 2000s, bro. Like, we talking

about pre

>> social media. So, you still could

maintain a level of mystery and

mystique.

>> You know what I'm saying? Like, yo, dog,

>> them [ __ ] was just something that

we've

I think Russell Simmons kind of passed

the torch to puff, right? I I'mma jump

over Andre Herel. No disrespect

intended.

>> No disrespect intended. But I just think

that Puffy took black music somewhere

that that we haven't seen it go.

Especially as far as the money goes

>> by saying Blend is stealing.

>> Well, that was the other thing. I mean,

I mean, they said it explicitly at

times. He's like, he's not that

talented.

>> He's not. And that's

>> No, I'm not saying that. I'm saying

that's what they said. I actually think

he is talented. I think they're

underestimating how

>> But back then they would say that back

then a lot of people didn't like the

fact that that's all he did was sample

[ __ ] People would, you know, say that

about him. And back then [ __ ] and back

then people didn't like when he was

running around doing the biggy [ __ ]

People said that [ __ ] back then. I was a

wealthy fan. I remember people would say

like he was exploiting him and and it

was questioning what he did for the

family.

>> But I I think it's I always am skeptical

of those narratives of like almost like

anybody could have done this and it's

like they could. It's a unique person,

unique talent to do what he did.

>> Well, Puff's ear for music alone is

unique,

>> right?

>> Finding talent, talented people is a

talent is a talent. Yeah. and developing

them,

>> but having having producers in the room,

other producers in the room every single

time you produce [ __ ] and then it's you

already we already know that he would

take things from you. So, it's like to

assume that maybe the good ideas came

from the [ __ ] he sat with and he just

put his name on.

>> If I'm the conductor

>> and y'all are the orchestra, I'm still I

might not I might I ain't got to be able

to play a single instrument, but I'm the

one that's arranging and doing all this

[ __ ] that's making it all come together,

>> right? Right. And I get

>> that is a talent. Everybody can't do

that.

>> Right. I get that. But that guy being

also the guy that comes in your office

with a bat and say sign off your sign

over your [ __ ] stock. Like to me it's

just like how the [ __ ] do we know what

he added into it? Who the [ __ ] he found?

But

>> I mean it's a good point.

>> Let me ask you this.

>> And I'm a a puppy and die hard back in

the day.

>> The hitman was the hitman. Yeah.

>> Did any of them

>> kind of has a different

>> kind of has a different ring to it.

>> Damn.

>> Where the [ __ ] is Stevie J?

>> My point is this. All of those [ __ ]

was talented.

>> Where did they go on to?

>> Where did they go on? Like when you take

me out the studio now, if I'm still the

genius [ __ ] like I think Kanye West is

a genius. I think Kanye West could

create music with some [ __ ] bongos

and some cocoa. Like I just think he a

genius and so I think that when you take

him away from whomever that might have

been steering the ship I think his

genius is gonna still just be there.

>> I mean Stevie Jay had some hits.

>> Yes he did.

>> Outside of the hitman

>> all the hitman had all of them.

>> That's what I'm saying. So I think

Chucky Booker all them [ __ ] was dope.

They all had the talent.

>> Very talented.

>> But Puff did have a unique thing. I

think I think that's the point. I think

in the doc sometime they underplayed how

that skill set because he was like oh he

couldn't rap or he couldn't. No he

can't. But like there's things he can do

that nobody else can do.

>> Exactly.

>> Doc was the first time I heard somebody

say yo puff ain't do drugs. Puff was

never into drugs,

>> right?

>> Yeah. They said after he cut after he

cut

>> Yeah.

>> that even got him hooked on um

painkillers and [ __ ] That was

>> after he what?

>> Um the [ __ ] with his wrist. It was like

they couldn't tell if it was an attempt

or

>> whatever. But the doctor he got hooked

on painkillers after that. Okay.

>> And then that's where it just