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>> Microphone check. What is this?

JB [music]

back to business.

I guess right now we should start the

show.

>> 5° out here. Mark don't have a coat on.

Welcome welcome welcome welcome

welcome, welcome. So happy y'all could

be here, man. Blessed, blessed, and

highly favored. Salute to that to that

man up top and Cory. I still pray for

him. All the atheists out there.

>> I still pray for the atheists. I don't

give a [ __ ] what they believe. Uh yo,

you ain't wear a coat. Mark.

>> Nah, I ain't need one.

>> My girl Mona here on time. Stop playing

with us. Yo, when we get here on time

together. OH [screaming] MY GOD.

MARK, get a cold, man. I

>> I was going to wear one out the door

today and I said, "For what? It's

three." It was It was three or four

degrees when I got up.

[laughter]

>> I see. That's a good reason.

>> Yeah, but I jump right in the car and

come straight here. The most time I

spent outside is taking them damn

pictures with y'all.

>> That's a good time for a coat. Cold out

there.

>> Or just hear me out. We cannot take the

pictures outside.

>> No,

>> no, no. We got to take the pictures

outside.

>> I was so curious at why we have to take

the pictures outside

>> like I just did, you know.

>> Thank you. versus where?

>> I mean, only where it's not

>> when it's colder than

>> versus taking them where?

>> Anywhere inside.

>> Where's heat? We do the same photo

>> every time.

>> I ain't pocket watching, but I'm sure

the gentleman spends a decent amount of

money for the view.

>> Mhm.

>> Mhm.

>> I want to get that view on the camera.

Utilize the view.

>> You're like, "Do you two poor Philly

people know that [laughter] we pay

millions of dollars for that view? I

know y'all don't have views in Philly."

>> I showed the view off. I got cussed out.

>> They don't have views in Philadelphia.

[laughter]

>> That's why that's why they're aligned in

talking about Ben Franklin or something.

And they got whatever steps, whatever

steps Rocky was running down. They got

the bells.

Beautiful.

>> Yeah, they got the steps Rocky trained

on.

>> Oh my god.

>> And Bill Cosby.

>> Then the rest of the country took the

Meek intro from y'all. Y'all saw

>> the steps.

>> Yeah,

>> people. But you should have seen the

steps during the snow.

>> Why else? Beautiful steps.

>> Why else would you go to Philly unless

it's something down there? You

>> lost the steps.

>> And even in that when you meet the bad

Philly joints, you come up top. She come

up top. She hopping hop on that 95.

>> You heard bad Philly joints.

>> Exactly. Philly got

bad Philly joints out there.

We got you. But [laughter]

>> there's bad Philly joints out there now.

And some of the audience said they'll

beat the damn. Don't play. Don't play

with big Deona.

>> Please.

>> People been asking me to do single. I

just ignore them.

>> I go big brother mode. Just ignore them.

>> Is that my

>> You already know.

>> That big brother mode. I can't believe

that's still out.

>> Yeah. Not. It's not applicable here with

Mon. Yeah. But [clears throat] I can't

believe that still works.

>> What do you mean?

>> Big Brother had a long run.

That's what they do.

>> That's a different one. Yeah.

>> I'm not talking about y'all.

>> What if you trying to and I legit think

that's like so scummy call?

THAT'S MY SISTER.

>> Don't start your [ __ ] TODAY.

>> I WAS SHOCKED TOO. [laughter]

>> DO NOT START your

>> I believe him cuz I was SHOCKED TOO. I

DIDN'T KNOW PEOPLE DO BROTHER AND sister

be sneaky. I did not know that.

>> No, no, no. Sometimes it means not that.

>> Sometimes it means I have no chance of

[ __ ] this girl, so I'm going to call

her sis.

>> It's a friend zone.

>> Oh, yeah. All the time.

>> But that's not what you were saying.

>> Oh, I do that all the time.

>> You were saying that was using the big

bro as the means to pop.

>> Be trying to big bro their way into some

heard.

>> It mean she not interested and I don't

got no shot.

>> That's cuz you blessed with beautiful

eyes. Beat up while we talk about some

real. You you not this. I don't know why

you be playing.

>> You don't know the that's like, yo, he

trying to get at it. She ain't with it.

So he I'mma take

>> I'm not going to take on like my little

sis and then I'm trying to be close.

>> Yo, that's

>> He doesn't get it cuz he's not as

>> That's crazy.

>> All right. Well, in our next part, we'll

explain everything that is. [laughter]

But yeah, I can't believe that that's

still a thing. I can't believe I should

never heard of it.

>> Yeah, I broke a [ __ ] quick. You bro,

put him right over there. And if that if

that still want to beat, he going to

take the bro position and then one day

he'll get out of that spot.

>> Correct. That's what you're talking

about. I'm doing math right now on my

brain.

>> It's a lot of

>> I didn't even think about that.

>> Yeah.

>> And when when women initiate that you're

the bro. I've seen sometimes women try

to bro their way into

>> Oh yeah.

>> What?

>> When when women just out the blue you

that's my bro. That's my bro. That's my

bro. They use that as a way to fend off.

They use that for so many things. I've

seen it on the reverse. That could

happen too.

>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You got to be careful,

though.

>> Yeah. I don't want people to know that

I'm this dude.

>> You got to be careful out there. Shout

out to the bros. [laughter]

>> Shout out to the bros out there. Listen,

I'm in a really good mood. Really good

mood. Happy to be here. Happy to be

alive. Happy to be with my brethren

here. Y'all good?

>> I'm excellent. Excellent.

>> Never been better.

>> Good. I I'm so glad to hear that.

>> My [ __ ]

>> Oh, son.

>> Okay. All right, man. Let's get right to

it.

>> With no further ado,

>> actually, hold up. What episode is this?

>> 899.

>> Welcome to episode 899 of the JBP. I'm

Joe Button, your happy to be here.

Grateful and gracious host here with

some really amazing people. This episode

is brought to you by Fueled by Powered

by Prize Picks. Prize Fist Gang. Yeah.

>> Oh man. Next to me, you already know the

vibes. Philly's finest. Don't call a

white girl. Big Deona is in the building

looking fantastic, might I say. Thank

you.

>> Looking beautiful. Everything hidden.

Stop playing with her next to her. Our

good brother, Dr. Mark Lamont Hill in

the building. Sleepless in Seattle

himself. [laughter]

>> You got some sleep? You got some rest?

>> A little bit. A little bit.

>> Yo, Mark eyes. It's all in the eyes.

Mark,

>> I saw him in the elevator this morning.

It was like,

>> no, it's all in the eyes. He still ain't

removed the cult out of You can see it

in his eyes. [laughter] When he gets

sleepy, he turned into some other [ __ ]

>> He ain't removed the cult.

>> He got the eye when he [laughter] get

tired.

>> Look, that's crazy. Yeah, go back to

some wait and water [ __ ] Uh, next to

him, our good brother, Mr. Thousand

Doors and up. That's that is Velvet

Skullies. Stop playing with him. Yo,

this ain't a regular cotton skull. It's

Velvet, my boy.

>> Velvet [laughter] Skullies.

>> Big is Antoine is in the building, man.

>> Feel rich.

>> Is how you feeling, my brother?

>> I'm good. Yo,

>> good, good, good. Next to him, the

freeziest of them all. Big Freeze in the

building. Ice, how you doing?

>> I'm great, man. my baby birthday today.

Happy birthday,

Ari.

>> Happy birthday, Ari. We love you. I

would give you a nice stack of money,

but I can't trust your parents.

>> Oh, [ __ ] [laughter]

Everybody know them parents. Will you

give it to them? It's gold in the black

hole. Ari, I love you. Uh, King Elmmyra

Big Parks is in the building.

>> Hey, hey, sound the pop. Take that. It's

a anti white [ __ ] Mute up. [laughter]

We're not anti-white. Mute up is shout.

Happy birthday to Park's dad, [ __ ]

[ __ ] you talking about? And Big Po is in

the building. Cory is in the building.

Uh Erikson is here. Tanner and Savon are

here by remote. Last but certainly not

least, each and every one of you very

important people out there are here.

Also, shout out to the Hey listeners,

couldn't have gotten here without y'all.

Love every minute of your time. Thank

you. Thank you. Thank you for the

encouragement. Uh now, where was I?

>> Yeah, man.

>> [laughter]

>> He snapped.

>> I'm starting this over.

>> Yeah, go ahead. Let's go.

>> By the time he hit that, oh man,

[laughter] I was like,

hey, I was saying it, too. I was saying

it, too. No, I'm playing this again,

man. I'm so happy for Clue.

>> I'm so happy for Clue, man.

>> I've been saying for weeks about [ __ ]

time.

>> I've been saying for months. I've been

saying for, y'all know how I feel. Yeah,

I've been saying this. I've been on

this.

>> Clue just don't get the [ __ ] respect

that he deserves

>> in hip-hop.

>> I think a large part of that is due to

uh Limewire, Napster, and drama going to

jail.

>> Yeah, fair.

>> So, you know, that's like so many of

ours, our that piff history is gone.

whatever we were doing before Soundcloud

>> to on some just getting Lucy's out

there, that [ __ ] is gone.

>> Yeah.

>> This game has taken off and [ __ ] are

getting millions for selling their

catalog and it's just like an ocean of

joints that are

>> gone. And part of that is the Clue

legacy and now the kids have gotten old

and they think that Clue is some radio

DJ [ __ ]

>> right?

>> Yeah. They just don't know.

>> And we've seen Capri get his shine on on

Kendrick. We've seen Drama get his shine

from the various shits he's done and the

Tyler project on a mainstream level.

>> Yeah.

>> So, it's nice to see Clue get his.

>> Yeah. I'm not I'm not going to lie. This

it's over. This was an era to hear to

hear him shout out Paul Kane. Yeah. I

felt

>> was important to me.

>> Even just the way I mean we we skipping

a little bit, but like the way that he

was rapping was like on some 04 [ __ ]

>> Yes.

>> You know what I'm saying? Like the style

in which he approached these beats.

>> Yeah. was like throwback vibes.

>> Any any guesses as to why All Bad Boy

beats.

>> I never even thought about that.

>> How do you think about that?

>> I never even thought about that.

>> I think it's just a

>> Think about it for a little bit. Let's

get back

>> here. Go ahead.

>> Think about it for a little bit. Let's

get back, man. So glad y'all could be

here with us today, man. Shout out to

the first and last time listeners.

>> I ain't going to lie. At this point,

he's peeved. Yeah. No, he's pissed off.

That's all [ __ ] He was pissed.

>> He's annoyed at boy. He saw that

podcast. He's like, "No, hold up."

>> Y podcasters out there.

[laughter] THE REST OF Y'ALL.

>> The rest.

>> Y'ALL BEEN TALKING SO MUCH [ __ ]

[laughter]

>> and he heard y'all

>> didn't like it.

>> He didn't like it one bit. By the time I

finish these joints, I'm going to see if

I'm brave enough to shoot at some of you

[ __ ] too, cuz I agree with them. Look

what y'all did. [laughter]

Look what y'all did, man.

>> Y'all.

>> Y'all. Yeah, it was them.

>> It was definitely them.

>> But now this is why he's confusing

before I play the rest of this.

>> This is track one on this. It did sound

like he opened up with some fire for all

of the podcasters and engagement

influencer people that have been running

them out.

>> Yeah.

>> Right. And he sound annoyed by it.

>> Uhhuh.

>> But then later on he loves it.

>> Right.

I think it's the last bar on the table

there.

>> And we know he loves that.

>> You could like and still

>> like he said, yo, if you know if you've

been if you found if you know anything

about this [ __ ] you know that he's

happy that retired rappers or older

rappers get to do that. Like I believe

him. I take him at his word.

>> But I guess you can still shoot some

true. I can be happy y'all got this and

y'all still piss me off with y'all still

[ __ ] for running y'all mouths gays

parlaying

>> gossiping on couches [laughter]

gossiping parlaying

>> gossiping parlay

[ __ ] I [laughter] ain't like that doing

that [ __ ]

>> that's all it is

vibing vibing [laughter]

>> oh wait now is he shooting at uh Simba

>> yes

>> Simba is online acting like

>> he's shooting at him I didn't catch it

>> he is shooting at him

>> let's hear it

>> he's responding

He's been calling himself Simba for

[ __ ]

>> No, no, no, no. We not doing that.

>> Play Simba's control and you will hear

how he shot at Cole. Cole heard it. He

listened.

>> And Cole ain't the type to get on the

internet.

>> I'm going to address you when I'm ready

to and he's ready. He's talking directly

to him.

>> And even if the young Simba part is in

reference to himself, everything around

Yeah, it's not. But everything around

Let's go again.

>> Who is a toddler to Jermaine?

>> It's not bothering me.

>> And you're [laughter] annoying. You're

being a nuisance. Whoever he's talking

to, you're being a jerk.

>> You are you are disrupting his study

time.

>> A lot of this [ __ ] is shoe fits to me.

But maybe no,

>> I got you.

>> Wait. I agree with you. I think a lot of

[ __ ] on here is shoe fits.

>> Yeah,

>> I think some of it ain't.

>> Okay,

>> I got you. Don't worry about it.

>> Thoughts? Thoughts? Absolutely.

>> Let's stop it for a second and talk. I'm

in such a great mood, Mona. The origin

of this show is this. I know. I know you

think like we off script. We bugging. We

ain't talking. We ain't joking. Listen,

THE START OF THIS OH, I MISSED THE

START.

>> YEAH.

>> Let's get back to the essence.

>> We're here.

>> We here.

>> Not doing it for free, though.

[laughter]

>> Now, let's get let's take it back.

>> Let's take it back to the roots. But

like, [laughter] let's let's slow down.

snacking crazy. Oh my lord. Thoughts?

>> Nice snack.

>> First, yeah, when I hear I just be like,

"Yo, he just raps better than everybody

else." Like, that's that's the first

thing I thought when I heard when I was

listening to this. He just rapping his

[ __ ] ass off. But also, you could

tell he been holding some [ __ ] in. He

been waiting to get get off. And I just

love hearing him hearing him go.

>> See, I don't even think he's been

holding [ __ ] in. I think he This is

fairly new. It sounds like he's even

talking about, "Yo, it's cold as [ __ ]

New York and snow." Huh. It sounds like

he was just like, "You know what?

>> I got time.

>> Queue up these beats, man." again,

but I'm also had [ __ ]

>> I'm going to play.

>> No, you are not. We are not saying

Dennis Rodman during the Derek

[laughter]

because you're sitting here being like

we don't know who he talking about. Oh,

is he is he not you?

>> Okay. All right. Well, what I'm saying

is like my initial thoughts. I hear

Clue. I see the cover.

>> Love the cover.

>> I'm like, "Oh, [ __ ] I know what you I I

have Blizzard 96 in my phone." So I'm

like, "Oh, you ain't got Blizzard 96."

No, you always lying. [laughter]

>> I'm joking with you. I'm joking with

you, man. Sometimes I got to remind you

who I am.

>> I KNOW WHO YOU ARE. Sometimes I have to

remind you,

>> you know, that intro wouldn't have

happened early if it wasn't for me.

>> That's a fact. That's a fact. And me cuz

I wrapped it. But

>> But I'm just saying [laughter] it didn't

happen. He didn't He didn't have you.

But my point was I'm I'm automatic. I'm

automatically I'm automatically looking

at it like, "Oh, you're setting the bar

extremely high. For what? The album.

>> For the field or for himself?

>> No, no, no, no. For for what I'm about

to hear.

>> Got it. Okay.

>> Like you're you're building anticipation

for people. Yeah.

>> All right. You got clue. You got the

cover. I hear victory.

>> Yeah.

>> Oh,

we know what was done to victory.

>> Uh-huh. A couple times.

>> Exactly. So, it's automatically going to

be a comparison whether you want to or

not.

>> We'll talk about Banks a little later,

but

>> say

>> that's still in a shrine somewhere.

>> To me, Banks still that Banks victory

freestyle is in a shrine somewhere.

>> Oh, yeah. No, that's what I'm saying.

>> A separate part of the cemetery.

>> Agreed. That's what So if I hear you

start off,

>> you got to take a You never Yeah. You go

to the graveyard, you try to see a few

people, but sometimes somebody is a

little walk.

>> It's a long long walk before we start.

You got to get in the car. Some of these

other car drive. I was there for that.

MC's were afraid.

>> But that's my point anyway. So hearing

victory, I'm like, "Oh, wow. We know you

you got some big shoes to fill if you

choosing this beat and choosing it

first."

>> Yeah. You reminded me of another point I

I want to say that I forgot about

earlier. Yeah. Um there's a sea of songs

in an ocean somewhere. But another part

is none of you [ __ ] can do it anymore.

>> That part

>> they can't do that.

>> Y'all can't do it.

>> Can't do that.

>> Yeah. Not many.

>> They only want to try to do it.

>> There's only a handful.

>> They can't do it.

>> They can't do it.

>> They can't. I respect There's a few

[ __ ] that that rap at a high level for

their level and they go give it a

puncher shot. I appreciate that. All you

[ __ ] like rapping, go ahead and rap.

Get it off. A lot of you [ __ ] that go

over there to [ __ ] the 106 uh what's

the [ __ ] Power power. A lot of y'all

that

>> on the radar. All of them.

>> Yeah. A lot of y'all you're giving it

your Hey, I think that's great. But it

ain't

>> a clue tape, fam. And before we even

finish now, now I'm getting down. A clue

tape.

>> Get [ __ ] off here. Go ahead.

>> Yeah, you you the perfect understanding

pressure of a clue tape. First of all,

you couldn't just get on a clue tape

>> at all.

>> Yeah.

>> You couldn't just get a record deal,

think you could rap, be hot on your

block, and get on a clue tape. That

wasn't happening. You had to be like a

dog. Like a dog dog. A dog. Fab was

probably going to get the first slot

because business is business.

>> But [ __ ] when he did it, Kiss is

getting the first slot. [clears throat]

>> A new lock. You sandwiched. You are

being sandwiched behind

>> [ __ ] Yo.

>> Yeah, that was killers.

>> Yeah. Sometimes you I wouldn't mind

being track 13 and 14.

>> And even that you're not home free.

>> No.

>> He's [clears throat] surrounding you

with

>> some [ __ ] down there.

>> And and Clue would and Clue such a

[ __ ] He would never tell you what he

had for the tape either.

>> That's That's kind of crazy. He wouldn't

tell you what he had for the tape. He

would just be like, "All right, yo, did

you do your thing?" Because uh

Kiss Kiss was in the in the studio last

night with us. Just dropped something

like, "Huh? [laughter] Did I do my

thing?" All right, [ __ ] Let me go hear

my hear my [ __ ] again. But every hood

was in a frenzy. Jersey City swore I was

a multi-millionaire off of Clue Tapes.

Clue tapes went around. This is back to

just appreciating things regionally.

Yeah,

>> this is a big like tri-state type of

>> weapult

culturally significant for our

upbringing. When I heard the like you

chills, bro, that [ __ ] is different.

People don't understand again,

>> bro. That [ __ ] came with a haircut.

>> Honestly, bro, a haircut, a Sergio

Chini, and a car wash.

>> That [ __ ] was a time capsule.

>> So, y'all the rappers that's on the tape

wouldn't hear everybody else verse till

it come out?

>> No. M

>> no

>> bro this [ __ ] was it was something

>> it was a movement

>> but that went to my point like when X

and them was on they climb dog you had

to deal with all of them [ __ ]

>> remember we had the argument we ain't

argue but it was a point going around

about the 50 Cent X and all of that and

they chopped it up bro you had to deal

with all of that some of these [ __ ]

didn't have record deals they still was

killers

>> you had to deal with that wasn't no

gimmicks it wasn't no melodies it wasn't

you had to get on a [ __ ] tape and rap

using words. It wasn't no harmonizing

the music had to kill you to save you.

The hook save you. It wasn't no uh post

on Instagram make it look fly Tik Tok

dance. You had to be a [ __ ]

shark

well manicured content to make the

record look hotter than it is.

>> Nope.

>> With the HD cameras and good lighting.

No, it wasn't that.

>> Like I feel like Clue should be selling

like a a voice pack like or a adlib kit.

Yeah. like some AI.

>> They should hire they should hire Clue

to do it. [ __ ] Yeah, they should.

>> Yeah.

>> Well, yeah, but no, you can sell more of

the [ __ ] pack.

>> Nah,

>> bro. You think there's a coward if

there's no clue?

>> Do I think there is?

>> I don't think there's not a lot of these

[ __ ] if there's no clue.

>> I think there's a Kallet.

>> I think that's the evolution of Clue.

>> Khaled was around by the way. He just

wasn't the K that we

>> was around as a radio DJ back.

That's the temple. The person, you know

what I'm saying? He's the temple. Yeah.

>> Yeah.

>> And what separates Clue, I mean, from

cuz Flex put out a album before,

>> but Clue was producing

>> Capri. All of them. Yeah.

>> Yeah.

>> Clue was producing. Dur was mixing.

Listen, man. Chef to to to JCole. Yeah.

Shout out to Duro, man. Miss you and I

love you.

>> Uh for JCole to do this and go this

route. Yeah. It ain't a lot of It ain't

a lot of people that that that good.

[clears throat]

>> Not at all.

>> Yeah, that was that rhyme scheme is

vintage.

>> Give Give it to me. Give it Give it to

me.

>> I love the the words, right? I love like

it it was dope.

>> But I don't want to hear you I don't

even want to hear you talk about this

this top three big three [ __ ] no more. I

>> see to he's setting it up. He's making

the narrative about the fall off being

the fall off. He he's this is

orchestrating what's happening right

now.

>> Got to address it. [clears throat]

The album, the album, The Falloff, has

been playing for years and years. This

all just kind of worked perfectly in

that narrative of I was top three, now

I'm out because ah, he's playing into it

right here. I get it. I just don't want

to hear it. It's brilliant.

>> So, you don't want him to address the

situation at all.

>> Fam, move past that. I don't I don't

need to hear nothing about I want to get

as far away from that battle and

everything that happened in that battle

as possible.

>> I agree with you on that.

>> I'm just over it. So, now

>> get his [ __ ] off though.

>> I say he say,

>> but I think you got your [ __ ] off at the

apology. That's how I'm treating you.

You removed yourself. You deleted the

song. You apologized. You want nothing

to do with this. Cool. We accept that.

>> All wrong.

>> You accept. Everybody didn't accept all.

>> I accept that. I don't want to hear

that.

>> That battle birthed a lot of things with

>> I mean, if I'm taking them out of work,

but but his friendships.

>> Yeah.

>> So, at this point, we not on the battle

anymore. We on [ __ ] that happened from

the battle. He's made himself clear that

he don't give a [ __ ] and want to talk

about that battle. So he don't So when

he says the top three and all this [ __ ]

I'm not taking it as this is more battle

talk. One, two, I know there are people

that feel like Ice and and don't really

want to hear certain things from JCole.

I am not one of those people. I [snorts]

still want him to pop his [ __ ] I still

want him to talk like the baddest [ __ ]

on the planet. Go ahead, get it all off.

As long as it ain't directly directed to

nobody like we just broadly saying then

please I I don't want to strip one of

the greatest rappers in the world of the

ability that helps him to be one of the

greatest rappers in the world. I

>> don't talking about I can see if he was

still saying I'm I'm top three or I'm

I'm at the top and he [ __ ] these dudes

cuz to me you lost that privilege when

you when you bowed out but he's

literally saying I know what I did

that's why I'm not in people's top

three. I'm okay being the underdog. Like

to me that's perfectly appropriate

especially with a falloff with the album

theme is the falloff.

>> Did you can I ask you a question? Did

you not like the apology in itself? Like

did that irritate you that whole thing?

>> No, no, no. I I'm I wasn't initially I

was just like yo what the [ __ ] But

>> after seeing how the battle played out,

I understand Cole's point and we all

understood like yo cool. I don't want

y'all getting ready to get dirty like

that.

>> I don't want no parts of that. So I

respect that.

>> He can walk away with his sanity, his

mental health. I don't got to [ __ ] with

none of this.

>> Yeah. So, I'm that's not my point. I'm

just saying I like cold rapping like I'm

the best there. I I like I want him to

continue that. You don't have to talk

about Big Three or even mention Big

Three to do that though.

>> I could still feel I'm the best. Maybe I

don't want to do the direct battle with

somebody because of the potential. It

could get dirty or ugly and I don't want

to get in the mud with y'all, but I

still think I rap better than everybody.

>> It does.

>> I don't have to

one-on-one engage and make diss songs to

say that I'm better than you, though.

So, if that's the case, cool. I just

don't want to hear you do no more big

three talk. Period. Just say you're the

best.

>> You're just over it.

>> Yeah, I'm over it. You say you're the

best and that's it. When I hear him say

big three, top three.

>> But to the people that feel like that,

like what I think is if you never hear

the big three again, cuz I hear that's a

new thing out there. Ain't no more big

three. Ain't no more big

>> talking point.

>> Guess what you guys? If y'all never hear

the big three again, there's a big

three.

>> Right. If if each one of them never say

that [ __ ] guess what? It still exists.

You know why? Edged in stone.

>> There were there there were reasons and

there are reasons. And I think a big

part of what the of of what's underneath

some of the public saying we don't want

to hear that big three [ __ ] no more is

is a is a fear that exists because

there's nobody else out there that looks

like they're taking that mantel and and

they're about to do that with it. Of

course, you have your exceptions that

the young people are rolling with, which

is NBA Young Boy and whoever they are.

Like there's people out there that that

are doing great. But, you know, uh, this

week I've been having back and forth

with people about the blog era, which

I'm just not going to do because I was

there for the blog era and participated

in it.

>> I saw you clapping back a little bit. I

was surprised you even did that.

>> Cuz I'm not going to debate. I'm not

going to debate with these people. And

Moon Music 3, we put out CDs. We put out

CDs for a reason because the blog era

had not just taken off. But 07 is I'm

only talking about 07. Uh, I think my

words got misconstrued. The blog error

is one of the greatest errors. It's

proven to be that. I'm only talking

about people overstating what it was in

2007. But in my back and forth,

>> I want to go back to that when you

finish too.

>> But in my back and forth uh with people,

um what I got to remembering and

appreciating and just loving about and

reminiscing about that particular era

was all of the stars that came from that

era. Yeah.

>> And they they were undeniable. Like it

wasn't niche.

>> These were

Drake in ' 08 09.

>> Mhm.

>> Uh Cole

>> in09

Kendrick

>> Kendrick

>> Wiz current

Mac. Yeah.

>> Like there was nothing that the general

public could do.

>> Yeah. Yeah, there was nothing that the

public was for sure.

>> Uh the whole ASAP

collective

future,

>> the music business, the executives, the

radio stations, the stores, the mom and

pops. Like that's what I'm saying. In '

07, [ __ ] like me was like fighting,

putting joints on. By 09, 010, 2011, the

industry had now acquiesced to what was

going on. And no matter who's successful

today, I don't think the general public

feels like they have three or four

people that you can easily see what the

next 20 years in hip hop looks like,

>> right?

>> No,

>> there's no farm system.

>> There's no farm system really anymore.

>> That was the farm system.

>> I think that's by design, too, though,

bro.

>> Like if you if the labels, even if

people say labels are dying off,

whatever, they still got a grip. They

got a control on this. If there is no

big three or or big four, big five,

whatever, there's no top people, we kind

of get to control the field a little bit

better.

>> See, I

>> I think the label should always want

stars. I think the music business would

always want stars. I'm not saying stars.

I'm just saying them those ones cuz now

you have the risk of

>> especially with all the information out

there. Look, they ran the SoundCloud,

took every star off of Soundcloud, and

then SoundCloud went bankrupt.

>> Yeah.

>> Mhm. [clears throat]

>> So, I mean,

>> bro, think or not just that.

>> Wherever the stars are, the music

business is going to go get all of the

people.

>> We just don't we don't want two or three

of them. We don't want that. They they

don't want to put all the eggs in the

basket of one star when they can get 10

stars that maybe all additive

cumulatively can be the one star

>> and that one star get some information

and now it's powerful and don't and I

want to play hard ball with y'all.

>> And I'm even reminded while JCole is

talking that I'm a I'm a father to you

[ __ ] type [ __ ] I was like oh [ __ ]

Like when he said that it was a a

reminder for me cuz you don't remember

when he was a new [ __ ]

>> Well J he's about our age. couple years

younger,

>> which is a little bit younger than you.

Like he's not that far. It's not an age

thing. How long you been? It's not It's

not It's not It's not It's not based on

age. Uh

>> but when he says that,

that's the other thing like whoever the

next person is or the new people are

going to be. I mean, does the public

feel like you gonna get a run as long as

JCole Drake

>> Kendrick,

>> Kendrick, Wall, Sean, Meek,

>> Rocky, just who these people and Huh?

>> No.

>> Oh, man. Anyway, come on. I'm sorry

y'all. I'm sorry. I'm rambling. Here we

go. But I'm excited.

>> Sorry. I feel good.

>> Sorry that I'm in a good mood and love

music. [ __ ] y'all. [ __ ]

>> That was pretty clever.

>> Yeah, that's dope.

>> That was pretty clever. That was dope.

>> And a quick 12 minutes of of of this

too. Like he didn't OD.

>> He didn't

>> he didn't try to like find a dope idea

and then overdo it and beat it to death.

>> Quick five joint, four joints.

>> Then at the end of whatever Ice sent me

was all of them together and and I let

it rock and I let it rock.

>> That That's clue [ __ ] Like that's

that's how when it first digitized

>> it was

>> side A.MPP3 MP3 sidebe.mpp3.

>> Y

>> the whole tape.

>> I love again he he checked all the boxes

for for uh

>> He did

>> for for making it a a clue tape.

>> I

I wasn't really on this one.

>> What do you mean

>> this freestyle?

>> He's this is probably my least favorite.

I like the Lucian Lucian bar. This

freestyle or the overall project?

>> I don't love the overall project like

everyone else does. Really?

>> I love Victory.

>> That was fire. I don't I don't love the

overall project the way everyone else

does. Again, but part of it is because I

know what happened on them beats.

>> It's not It may

>> is such an elitist.

>> No, no, no, no, no. Listen, you chose

these beats for a reason.

You know what happened to these beats?

You know that like same thing I said

about victory. You're setting a very

hard bar, a very high bar that you might

not even be able to reach. See, I love

it because it just brings you back to a

time. I don't I don't and and I think he

showed up in body

and it's him appreciating the time which

is that's a really

>> I can appreciate that really respectful

thing.

>> The GoFundMe clue mimic that is a old to

hip hop and that's why

>> JCole is bigger than

anybody that was on a clue tape with the

exception of three people.

He's bigger than all he need to do is be

himself to his audience and rap to the

best of his ability. And for his people,

>> it's going to hit like

>> I don't even think his people going to

appreciate this properly.

>> Yeah. I'm just saying I don't think so.

>> How old they are. Yeah. The younger fans

may not feel about it.

>> They're not going to appreciate this

properly.

>> I get what I is saying. When you when

you choose certain beats,

>> you saying I'm here to compete at that

level. It's like when you choose a blues

song or whatever song to sing over like

certain you do a standard standard. You

got you got you got to get busy with the

standard right?

>> I think he did though.

>> I do too. That's why he and I disagree.

>> I don't know if you have to I don't know

if you have to be

>> No, you play you playing at the garden.

Like you need to have a good game at the

garden. You don't need to do what Willis

Reed Wal Frasier did or what Kobe did,

but you go into the garden. You need to

do you at the garden. I think he did a

great job of that. I'm with you. This

second the second freestyle is not my

favorite out the pack. But I was first

and the fourth. I don't remember all the

names.

>> But is that Bronzu? Which one is

>> Bronzu was the first one?

>> The first one. That's first. To me,

that's the best one by far.

>> Yeah. Easy.

>> The last one is fire, too. Uh, what is

that [ __ ] called? 99 build.

>> That one is I think I like all of them,

buddy.

>> Yeah, me too.

>> All right. Well, since Ice don't love

that one, let's get to the next one.

Here we go. Hey,

I ain't going to front. I need to bring

my music show back. I have way too much

fun just playing music that I love.

>> I know that this is a podcast and we do

have to talk at some point, but I boy am

I having a blast.

>> I said the wrong thing, Joe.

>> I like the little change up they made in

the beat. I like this.

>> I thought you going to say this made you

want to rap again. What' you say, Mark?

You said You said the wrong thing. I

thought you was going to say when you

hear this, it made you want to start

rapping again.

>> Not at all. Not at all. Not at

[laughter] all.

>> How the [ __ ] do you hear THIS AND NOT

WANT TO RAP AGAIN? It made me want to

rap.

>> Yo, you know the era I come from.

>> Do you know what he did to this beat?

>> Yeah. JCO don't get me out of bed. Do

you know what Joe Button did to this

beat?

>> Yeah.

>> Why would he need to rap? That's my

point though. That's That's This is why

I say it's just cool. Now listen to

this. Money power the first time when

they try to knock down the towers the

first time. And the only reason I'm

talking about it is so you know the real

talk of New York's about it.

>> Oh my god. Good times.

>> So So my problem

Cole did Cole

on on these beats and he he wrapped

well. He wrapped No. [ __ ] well. [ __ ]

well. He rapped exceptionally well.

>> Thank you.

>> I'm not I'm not dissing him for the

rapping.

>> These beats caught for something else

though, cuz I know what happened to

these beats. You pick these score in the

guard. You You went 55.

>> You have You have to.

>> If you take Whitney Houston Well, if you

take Dolly Parton's song and then you

see what Whitney Houston did to it.

>> We're not doing this.

>> No, I'm just giving you an example. And

now you go sing over it and you cover it

again.

>> Yeah.

>> You got to bring your going to remember

that. You know, I hate that example,

[ __ ] Dolly Parton, give me that slap,

[ __ ] You wasn't doing nothing. I know.

We giving it to the greatest singer of

all time, arguing.

>> And I said, now if you go cover asking

one of the current greats to take from

[ __ ] that went I didn't ask HIM TO

TAKE NOTHING FROM THESE [ __ ]

>> ICE is saying you just went behind

Whitney. Not you went behind Dolly. You

went behind Whitney. So when you go

behind Whitney, you got to go crazy.

>> All right. No Dreamville tickets for

you.

>> No. [laughter] No tickets to Dreamville.

Man,

>> you're done. You're done, buddy. You

thought you were going to sit on the

grass in here [ __ ] JCole, [laughter]

[ __ ]

>> Yeah, it's over for you, man. JCole,

great job. Y want to talk about the

business of this? Cuz I love the

business of this as much as I love the

music of this.

>> Oh my god.

>> The website,

>> the website, which you want. Yeah. Pay

what you want and then as soon as you

buy it, it pops up and says, "Yo, buy

the f the falloff for another $15."

>> It's brilliant. Absolutely brilliant.

And I'm very very curious to see with

them what this fall off if he does it uh

direct to consumer.

>> I think I think he might do all all like

he might drop to consumer.

>> Yeah. I mean it already is clearly

available for sale on the website. I'm

just wondering how that's going to play

in with the actual drop date

>> or would would how would they compile

all the numbers and the data?

>> Who gives a [ __ ] about the numbers?

Oh they

>> they can report him, but they

>> But he [laughter]

report Yeah. I don't think

>> And be clear, he's still going to do the

numbers.

>> Yeah. It's still going to do numbers.

Already did numbers.

>> He's not going to have time to report

the numbers, you guys. He won't have

time too much ching ching.

>> No, no. I'm I'm [laughter] saying when

it does go. No. What I'm saying is when

it goes up on your DSPs and all that,

it's still gonna do numbers

>> for sure.

>> I believe that.

>> That's all I'm He's still gonna have the

number one album. It's still gonna do

whatever the and I'm gonna make a [ __ ]

ton of money because I'm gonna do it

over here too. It's crazy.

>> Win-win.

>> A JCole, I love you, man. Absolutely

love this.

>> Love it. Love it.

>> And I love people just dropping some

like heat

>> like two weeks or a week before the

album.

>> Word.

>> That's old school [ __ ]

>> That's old school.

>> [ __ ] used to drop the mixtape. [ __ ]

used to go up to Flex and Freestyle or

go somewhere like that's old school

[ __ ]

>> Yeah, but I'm going to do it on my [ __ ]

>> Yeah,

>> that's what I love. I'm doing my own

[ __ ] I love the business. Come right

here. As much as I love the music, he

bodied. He went crazy. But

>> and be clear, let me just clear this up.

Like I'm I'm not saying this is a bad

project or nothing like that. I like the

project. It's just I'm holding it to a

super high standard.

>> You give it a B. It sound like

>> Yeah. Yeah. I'm not knocking I'm not I

hate this or nothing like that. It's

just you can't

>> I mean it's only four songs. I mean for

what he did in the four songs, I think

it was great.

>> Yeah. I think it perfect. I think he's I

think created more of an appetite for

the album, which is

>> I agree.

>> Which is all you want to do.

>> No. [ __ ] starving for the album. and

the letter he put out saying how yo the

album was this and

>> I went back and now I made it evolved

into the double disc and all this other

[ __ ] like

>> yeah I want to hear the the anticipation

is even higher now and back in the day

on some old school [ __ ] when you dropped

the project like right before your real

project

and you were rapping at this this type

of clip like

a good way to let your fans know that

that's the that's where you and your pen

are at currently. Yes.

>> Or well, it also other people did it the

other way. I'm rapping like this because

the label ain't not just not JCole, but

when that happened, let me give y'all

what I wanted to do because the label

control this album and they got me doing

this over here. So, I'm I'm trying to

please everybody.

>> Yeah, that that happens. I'm I'm

referring to this case because this

sounds current. So, I don't think he he

did that, but yeah, that happens all the

time. Uh, good to know that this is

where his pen is on a with a double disc

coming that he's been working on for

years that's called the fall off after

he's mad at everybody after everybody

wrote him off. He says he works better

when he's doubted. [ __ ] curse him out.

They don't want to hear [ __ ] from. He's

just sitting back with his little

whatever he reading [ __ ] on. He's just

reading [ __ ] while he riding the city

bike playing with his drag.

>> He also he also launched a message board

on some old school [ __ ] called Bill

Central, which is like cannabis central

for those of us that were on the

internet at the time.

>> Really?

>> Yes.

>> Yeah.

Oh,

>> he's doing some brilliant [ __ ] direct

consumer fan marketing [ __ ]

>> bro. He got that the phone number [ __ ]

they doing where they text you, bro.

That [ __ ] is that shit's amazing today.

>> Word.

>> Like, just think outside the box. Don't

just rely on social media or rely on all

right, I'm going go sit here, here,

here, here, here. There's my promotion,

right?

>> Do something else. I love all I love

everything he's doing for this album.

>> Uh, not to tabloid this out, but there

are other folks on the internet that say

they hear Drake shots on here. I mean

the the Lucian [ __ ] I could kind of see.

I suppose

>> the I wrote it. I said it. Give me give

me what the Drake shots are.

>> The only one I heard was the Yeah, the

one he's saying um I wrote it dummy or

some [ __ ] like that.

>> The Yeah, the the um cuz I think the

Lucian shot

the industry and that Lucian. I don't

think that's a shot of Drake.

>> Yeah, that's how I took it as well.

That's a shoe fits one for me like you

said like yeah exactly but when the

other line comes

>> four bars after that

>> which is we ain't said no lines yet

industry and then he goes on even to

qualify it and say yeah I'm on universal

distribution but the [ __ ] is mine

>> before anybody can say oh [ __ ] you up

under too no it's different you know

what I'm saying so I I don't think it

was a shot at Drake maybe the [ __ ] about

writing his own [ __ ]

>> and everybody's under like I mean not

everybody literally but I mean like it

just feel like under the industry

>> yeah like y'all All y'all take this.

>> I don't think J.Cole would ever shoot a

Drake.

>> I didn't take this direct.

>> I think Yo, dog, I apologize because

these two [ __ ] was my friends. These

[ __ ] really don't like each other, but

I [ __ ] with them. I don't want to be in

the middle of that. So, y'all have at

it. I don't think he's beefing with

Drake or Kendrick. I think that's why he

bowed out the [ __ ]

>> Like, these are my real friends. I don't

think they industry friends. I don't

think he might even not be the [ __ ] to

carry industry friends like that, but I

I [ __ ] with both of them. I don't think

a good dude North Carolina dude a good

dude that ain't poisoned by the

industry. That's what I see. I don't

think he's dissing. It might just be a

little jab at what's going on or a

generic jab because I take Cole at his

word and he said if I diss, I'm I'mma

let you know.

>> Give me the lines.

>> I'm still trying to find a line, bro. I

can't

>> [ __ ] mute your ass. [laughter] You

already showed the kind of person he was

with that walking back from that beef

[ __ ] cuz nobody just a good dude.

>> But outside of him, I'm just talking

about when you go down to South Carolina

or North Carolina like I'm talking about

like a Ninth Wonder. I'm talking about

them dudes are well read,

>> perceptive, like forward thinking. Them

[ __ ] them North Carolina [ __ ]

>> You know North Carolina [ __ ]

>> I'm saying in hip-hop. Yeah.

>> Okay.

>> All right. So the line we were talking

about

>> you know who knife wonder is?

>> Yes, of course.

>> Okay. Well, he's from North Carolina.

>> Oh, okay. I know that.

>> All right. So, some of the lines were on

Golden Goose. Um the one the Lucian line

we spoke about for crumbs. Dumb [ __ ]

sold they sold illion universal

distribution but I own the music and

then right after that if I said it then

I wrote it stupid.

>> Do you think that's a Drake line?

>> I mean Drake is kind of beefing with

them over [ __ ] That's what the lawsuit

it could be. They ain't beefing over

crumbs and it ain't crumbs. He ain't

sell his soul for crumbs.

I'm just tell I mean it could be looked

at as crumbs if if Drake is saying this

is worth x amount of billions and I only

got this. It could be crumbs.

[snorts] I'm not saying it's a disc.

This you ask me what the lines are that

people are interpreting as a disc.

>> I mean it it could be crumbs in

comparison to what he has grossed for

the label. But there's no world

>> him against the field [clears throat]

400 million.

>> [ __ ] that's a cheesecake with

[laughter]

on top. [ __ ] is you talking about? 400

mil that he recouped in a matter of

years.

>> That's one deal. That was only one deal.

400 was only one deal.

>> Let's not be silly for the sake of hip

hop here. What What else? What else is

there?

>> Catch bodies for my own amusement.

[ __ ] cheating and I won't excuse it.

If I said it, then I wrote it. Stupid.

So, there's another one. That's the

other one.

>> It's a lot of reaches. It's reaches.

It's reaches to me. back to back to when

um Cole was addressing back to when Cole

was addressing the the Young Boy rumors

>> and he was like, "Yo, if I diss

somebody,

>> I'mma hit you direct like I'm on your

caller ID." I'm going to take his word

for that.

>> That was a lie as soon as he said it.

>> That was a lie. As soon as he said it.

>> Why you said that?

>> Cuz he ain't If I diss you, so I say if

I do it, I'm going to make sure you know

>> I ain't going to leave no gray area.

>> Like Kendrick said, if I catch flight,

it's going to be direct. They're saying

that. Not saying that I'm gonna diss

you, but in [snorts] the event I do, it

won't be no yo, who's this about or is

he dissing? No, you're gonna know that

I'm talking about him. That's why I say

the symbol lines.

>> Okay. MC Joe says that's a lie,

>> but we can't prove it.

>> Germaine, I don't think he's above

sending a sub. I don't think he's above

it.

>> A sub and a disc is two different

things. Whatever. Whatever. Whatever.

Godamn [laughter] it. I'm happy for the

guy. I'm happy for the guy. Happy for

Clue.

>> Happy for fans. Happy for Clue. This was

just a great moment. Way to go. Dropping

right after we record the pod. Slow

clap.

>> Hours after

we was leaving and that [ __ ] came

through.

>> I didn't do the second part. Yeah, I was

home already like

>> Oh, yeah.

>> Yeah, bro.

>> Way to go, Cole. I think by now you dope

rappers know our schedule. Some of y'all

play ball with us. I.e. Kendrick. Some

of y'all don't. Or maybe Cole and Obs.

Maybe them one shots at you

>> and me

>> when he said

>> and part of that is I'm going to drop

this [ __ ] right after you done [ __ ]

Now sit on it.

>> I'm sure that Cole has seen a clip of

his pod and said Joe be gossiping.

[laughter]

>> I think I think that he didn't need a

clip to see that.

>> Yo, I'm not one of the [ __ ] where you

if YOU IF YOU DISS ME, I'M GONNA THINK

ABOUT WHAT YOU SAID. [laughter]

You You may see something that I didn't

see in myself. You might be opening my

mind up. Hey, I see how that could look

like that. Have some validity there.

[laughter]

The boy got a point.

>> Yo, dog. No gossip.

>> 30 mil with the gossip. [laughter]

>> Some gossip in here.

>> I mean, well, actually, that's a big

part of the fans beef. They feel like

what catapulted me to 30 mil wasn't

gossip. It was like genuine love for

hip-hop, calling out fake [ __ ] when

I saw it. And then when the money came,

>> that's when we got

>> it gossipy.

>> It was a progression.

>> That's what the fans That's what they

saying. I don't think so. So, so they

want you can go back to that and then

leave leave the money

>> and just go back to that.

>> That's what I think.

>> Why you walked away from rap?

>> Hm.

>> Why you walked away from rap?

>> What do you mean why? I was done. I

finished.

>> I know. I finished.

>> Why you want rap? Because you said it

takes you to a place you don't want to

see.

>> I'm sure you don't want to see them

baggy tank tops no more.

>> I'm in I'm living another part of my

life.

>> Yeah.

>> Living my I'm living my life like it's

golden.

>> I remember the [ __ ] The graph we just

talked about diamond.

>> But I got to tell you, if there was ever

a where it made sense,

it would be in some of this [ __ ] that's

going on.

>> Oh, for sure.

>> This is my time coming back. This is my

This is my type of [ __ ] going on out

there. Yeah.

>> All alone. Like I know the kids don't

care about me, but when I'm in the

shower [laughter]

>> boy, I get excited.

>> Your brain get to work.

>> Yeah, I get excited. I get excited. I

do, man. Mona, we going to need you an

hour, too. [clears throat]

>> I'm here.

>> I know you here. You looking good. You

smelling good.

>> Good old JCole fourpack. Five pack. You

know, I'm not a huge JCole fan, but I

recognize he can rap, you know.

>> Okay. Okay.

>> That's it. So,

>> it's kind of quiet.

>> Well, yeah. and hip hop did that

qualifier start happening too

>> in 26 like she would have been perfectly

fine saying I like that JC old fourpack

>> but she had to qualify it

>> no I don't [ __ ] with this [ __ ]

[laughter]

that's old school [ __ ]

>> I just like old school that ain't yeah

ain't dope I just like violent ignorant

music and he's not a violent ignorant

guy that simple I like talking about

drugs and guns and [ __ ] in the music you

know what I mean like you know

>> I want to be in the mirror

driving. I'm selling a brick. You know,

>> peaceful [ __ ]

>> I would be so let down if JCole was like

a piece of [ __ ] behind all this peaceful

protest image like like if he was in

this group chat just acting a fool with

that just

>> you know he's wild

group chat though, bro.

>> Well, I don't know. I don't know. I

don't know.

>> Kobe

>> just like a wild boy.

>> For sure.

>> He might be a wild boy.

>> Like every time I happen to just pop

into the strip club, which I haven't

been to now, so please stop typ casting

me. I'm doing really good and being

disciplined and making changes for 2026

and saving. It's been a

>> Yeah, I would like like NA or AA or

something

in uh like 24 hours. I'm going to

[ __ ] show.

>> How many days has it been

>> for real?

>> Yeah.

>> You count New Jersey.

>> Uh Saturday night, midnight. [laughter]

>> Wait, hold on. Four. Four.

>> Yes, that counts. Three. [laughter]

>> But it don't matter. You can count and

I'm still down. Like I've stepped out in

Jersey at Frank's spot a couple Fridays.

>> Okay.

>> But outside of that, I ain't been

>> We going to call it 14 days.

>> Why does the jersey thing don't count?

Like where's the difference?

>> You ask some Joe Button rules.

>> Cuz Jersey is not a good time.

>> So [laughter] who?

>> Oh,

>> so you just be got it. It's not If if

you if you're in Jersey, it's 20 minutes

away. It's a very small place. It's not

a allstar lineup of who's you just going

because you stepping out for a second

>> to hear some music and get out of it.

You're not staying there for a long time

or the women.

>> That's what I'm saying. A few of them,

>> but you got to go across the bridge for

>> like some real [ __ ] And I haven't It's

been a while for me. I'm doing pretty

good. But anyway, let's not center me.

Um [laughter]

I love when

>> we say that up here. Why can't we center

anybody? That's

>> so crazy.

>> I mean, we could center me. I just don't

want to come off like I'm centering

myself. I see. Um,

that's actually another problem with

this pond. I have to be centered more.

>> Yo, what [laughter]

just [ __ ] you?

>> I forgot what we was talking about just

now.

>> Uh, we talking about music before that

strip club [ __ ]

>> You talking about music?

>> Yeah, you talking about going to rap's

qualified.

>> I think he can rap, but it's just got a

cup of tea.

>> Yeah, he can rap.

>> Oh, you talking about uh JCole being a

[ __ ] That's

>> hoping that he wasn't one of you.

>> Yeah, I don't think so.

>> I don't think it's a [ __ ]

>> Oh, that's what I was saying. Like every

time I go to the strip club, that's what

I'm saying. My memor is getting bad. I'm

sorry. I apologize audience. You're

watching me. You're watching the demise.

The fall off. [laughter]

>> The fall off.

>> You remember he's always been bad, bro.

>> Yeah, but

>> you can't blame that on.

>> It's getting bad. Yo, everything that's

wrong with me. Let's stop saying it's

because of the zip.

>> That's how they do.

>> And I'm not on Zap,

>> bro. That's how they

>> And every time I even say what I'm on,

they think it's ad. So anyway, every

time I pop in the strip club and I see

Neo, like we give each other I just seen

him last time I was in there, whenever

that was, we always give each other like

a creep salute.

>> [laughter]

>> Do you know what that is? Look like

>> Yeah.

>> Do you know what that is? Do you

understand what I'm saying?

>> You know, you know.

>> Yeah. Yeah.

>> Again.

>> Again.

>> Like, you know, you consistently see

somebody in the spot and you just

>> they on with you on you on what they on

or has potential to be and you know that

[clears throat]

>> it just be a quick

>> Yeah,

>> I know. I know. That's it. And then they

like I would be so disappointed if I

walked in and saw a cold somewhere and

we had that and we had that. [laughter]

>> It would just I would be so let down.

>> I would be No, it's definitely not.

Definitely not. I'm talking [ __ ] I'm

just ping right there. All right. All

right. Everybody slow. [laughter]

>> Hey, no worries, boy.

>> Y'all two will never [laughter]

y'all got that [ __ ] [ __ ] up when it

come to that.

>> I'm sure he has. Yeah,

>> he's probably got a little Mark Hill in

him.

>> I I'm sure he partakes, but he just

knows how to Mark Hill. He's

>> a good guy. I could tell

>> where when you meet him in person, it's

like, "Oh, [ __ ] You're not the the dude

from the CNN show." You like you you

have fun.

>> Oh, you see him throwing 10 grand in um

>> There we go.

>> Onyx.

>> There you go.

>> Cole seemed like he would give you good

advice on on your marriage.

>> Yes. Stuff like that

>> at the strip club at the strip.

[laughter]

>> Or he encouraged you not to cheat on

your wife. Like, bro, come on.

>> Yeah. He seemed like the person I would

call

>> like, "Bro, come on. Don't be like, "Go

home, bro. Don't [ __ ] this up right now,

man. You see her? Don't [ __ ] this up,

man.

>> You know what I mean? Like, come on.

Denise at home, man.

>> Exactly. I agree.

>> Denise at home with Junior. Just go

home man.

>> Yeah. Come on, man.

>> You call your Uber and [ __ ] Send you

home. Dick hard. He's about to [ __ ]

somebody you wasn't supposed to.

>> He's a real [ __ ]

>> Is that one of the weird silences again?

[laughter]

>> It is for me.

>> She said that and I just went back to

[ __ ] somebody I wasn't supposed to.

That [ __ ] is it's overrated. It's

overrated. That's just not It's not fun.

>> It's not fun.

>> Just doing it with no love.

>> Yeah. 42 seconds. [laughter]

>> 42 seconds of pleasure for what? Such a

big mistake to make.

>> Trying to teach this [ __ ] your spot.

She keep moving around. [laughter]

>> [ __ ] how many times I got to [ __ ]

>> hit that button?

>> Yeah. She don't know how to really get

that engine going. [laughter] You know

what I mean?

She don't know the [ __ ] button.

>> Now, if you meet a new chick and then

you do know how to get in trouble now,

>> that's when you call your work, I DON'T

WANT TO SAVE YOU. [laughter]

>> If you see me outside, don't say [ __ ]

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>> All right. Uh, coming off all that great

and fun JCole [ __ ] uh, Banks verse Fab

has been a topic recently because Uncle

Murder and Tony Yo went on the Breakfast

Club where they were asked that

question. Uh, and it it looked like they

had a nice 4v1 going against Tony Yo in

favor of Fab, but Yayo is so charismatic

>> and just loud and boisterous. While he

was arguing for Banks, all I heard was

his voice over the OG on the mixtapz.

Like he could make anything sound like

war is coming to you.

>> Facts. Facts.

>> He was just having like a barberhop

debate and it sounded like, oh my god,

>> he's the perfect potter. Like even just

him describing his meals, you just be so

intrigued. I'm over I'm over there

eating elk. I'm over there eating elk.

You [ __ ] eating French toast. I'm

eating elk.

>> Yeah. Whatever he's talking about, I go

anyway we go. the drama unfold. This is

the behind the round. Yeah, I just hear

his voice over all that. But uh I

thought Envy would rep a little more.

That's my man and this is this is Desert

Storm podcast at this point in time. I

thought Envy would rep a little more for

Fab. He let Tony Ao do a lot of talking

up there. He let Tony Yo say a lot. I'll

ask the the distinguished panel here.

Who is better, Fab or Banks? I don't

expect us to spend a lot of time on

this. I do like that with this and with

the common Jedakus one. It feels like

when people throw these names together,

there are people that I feel like aren't

further than five spots apart from each

other. Anyway, that's what makes it fun.

>> So, when you when you ask that, you

saying like overall or like mixtape,

Fab, and Bass album

>> all time great list. Who's higher? Oh,

damn. That's really tricky.

>> I would say fab. It got to be fab.

>> I roll with Banks, man.

>> Banks hard, but it just he's not over

fab.

>> I think Banks got better albums. I'm

using the same metric that I used with

the common uh kiss debate.

>> It's fab for me. And I know Banks, we

remember what happened last time I

picked somebody over him. [laughter]

>> But um what's your favorite Banks album?

>> Uh Hunger for War.

>> Hunger for More. I knew he was going to

say that.

>> Yeah.

>> Hunger for More is better than Ghetto

Fabulous

>> for me.

>> Yes. for me too.

>> I got to pull up a track list.

>> I got to pull up a track list.

>> Yeah, I think

>> I think Young might be off

>> like all them soul tapes. I can't put

banks over Fab after all them soul

tapes.

>> I think again Fab it's similar to the J.

I think Fab has better bangers.

>> Yeah,

>> it's very similar.

>> Ain't no click. Playboy warrior on fire.

I get high. I'm so fly.

>> Work magic

>> if you so gangster. Warrior part two.

karma when the chips are uh till the end

die one day southside story.

>> Mhm.

>> And I'm just going to read ghetto

fabulous because that don't sound like

it's better than ghetto fabulous to me.

>> Click and spark.

>> Uh

>> hold on. No. No. Don't take the Don't

take the thunder from me now. Don't take

the thunder from

>> I feel like B's got the better voice.

>> Click and spark. Keeping it gangster.

Young get right. Ride for this one day.

Trade it all right now. Later on. take

you home. Get smart. Can't deny it. M be

easy. We don't give a Yeah,

>> I'm with Ice. Yeah, Hunger for More.

>> I'm not mad at anybody that says Hunger

for Hunger for More 2 is great, too.

Hungry for More.

>> I'm not mad. All right. So, you're

giving you give the uh better album to

Banks.

>> Yeah, but Fab's got better features and

and singles and bangers.

>> Yeah,

>> I'm going with Fab. As much as I don't

I'm not This is hard for me.

>> I don't think it's a wrong answer, but

I'm going with Fab by Hair by Hair. Even

though I agree with you on the albums

and that usually is my thing, but

>> fab just

>> I have Fab by a hair

too. I have Fab by a Mike Shy feature.

>> Okay. [laughter]

I have Fab

by uh

by uh Little Mo Studio stop by.

[laughter]

>> That's crazy. Like if little if he's not

on a little mo record and don't have

records with Lil Mo like and just who

else he got that [ __ ] record with? He

got JLo or

>> bro

but Banks

>> they wash each other out for me because

Banks got all the fly girl records. He

does.

>> He does.

>> And he got all the fly mixtape [ __ ]

>> He does.

>> And he has all of the bars in the world.

I give Fab the I got to go with Fab

because I feel like he [ __ ] more [ __ ]

THAN BANKS.

>> [laughter]

>> IS IMPORTANT. SORRY, IT'S A HELL OF a

important when you met a rapper. No,

it's the most pully because it goes to I

go I go I go to what Pac said. Yo, if

the girls are there, everything else

will follow.

>> If the girls buy your music, so girls

bought both of their songs,

>> right?

>> I got to land this on who has more

appeal. And because of Banks is who he

is, he's going to lose that one. Banks

wants to be home. Banks wants to be with

his family. He want to be out of the

public. He don't want to talk to y'all.

He don't want to tweet y'all. He don't

want nothing to do with y'all. All he

want to do is rap. And he's been like

that. That's why 50 of these [ __ ] can

say what they want. Uh G could say

you're not going to ever hear him say

nothing. Know why? He don't care.

>> Fab on the other hand.

>> Okay.

>> Fab outside. But that don't mean that he

ain't [ __ ]

just because y'all don't see me out.

>> I think I think Fab wins the appeal

slider.

>> Fab can rap.

>> Definitely wins the appeal.

>> Both of them can rap. You can't deny

>> Banks probably wins the the touring

argument

>> because Fab never toured.

>> Okay.

>> Oh, Fab never.

>> Fab never toured. Doesn't Banks primar

on his own.

>> Yes, but I'm talking about before.

>> I thought you meant big tour numbers.

I'm saying

>> I'm just saying Bab has not toured.

>> Bab won't tour. I got you. You're just

saying him touring. Period. I got you. I

got you. I got you.

>> Which is one of the more interesting

mysteries in hiphop that nobody ever

talks about.

>> Like I understood that him saying maybe

I don't want to tour or do shows or go

anywhere back in the day when you know

it's lit. It's lit. It's lit. It's lit.

It's lit. I'm not trying to do all that.

>> He left a lot of money on the table.

>> I'm sure.

>> And is leaving a lot of money on the

table. I wonder why.

>> That's a good question.

>> It can't be the whole remember maybe

remember Fat Joe wouldn't take an

airplane, right? Might be a travel

thing.

>> No, it's not that cuz he be doing, you